Springsteen is supporting Kerry. What about Axl & Slash ?

[jarmo]

With that dopey logic, than Axl also would: 1) have spent time in a coma

Did you see the Famous Last Words episode on MTV back in 1990?

2) be neighors with the anti-christ

He was arrested thanks to his neighbor.

5) have once discovered human body parts in his trash recepticle

I think he mentioned what that line in Double Talkin' Jive is about at the show on August 16th 1991. Somebody found body parts in a garbage can outside the recording studio....



/jarmo

[Captain Obvious]

Musicians, epsecially rockers should stay the fuck away from politics. Honestly, let the people decide for who they want to vote for, I don't give a shit about celebrity's opinions on global issues and neither should other people. You vote for a candidate based on what you believe, not what some guy thinks. If you have no opinion, then don't vote, but thanks to the musicians who feel its their personal need to ram their opinions down others' throats, we have people voting for someone because Avril or Eminem says so, neutralizing the votes of people who are actually knowlegeable.

Edit: By the way, if you did not finish highschool, that doesn't mean you do not have a right to vote, since you may be as intelligent as the person next to you. But you don't have the right to skew the opinions of masses by playing a few chords on tv.

[Booker Floyd]

Musicians, epsecially rockers should stay the fuck away from politics. Honestly, let the people decide for who they want to vote for, I don't give a shit about celebrity's opinions on global issues and neither should other people. You vote for a candidate based on what you believe, not what some guy thinks.

 

Right on....so really, artists shouldnt give opinions on anything, period.  We dont need them telling us what they think! 

 

[Captain Obvious]

Musicians, epsecially rockers should stay the fuck away from politics. Honestly, let the people decide for who they want to vote for, I don't give a shit about celebrity's opinions on global issues and neither should other people. You vote for a candidate based on what you believe, not what some guy thinks.

 

Right on....so really, artists shouldnt give opinions on anything, period.  We dont need them telling us what they think! 

 

Yeah, why don't we even generalize it some more.  We are talking about politics, elections and global changes. Does a traditional rock song (about drugs/booze/love/etc.) make thousands of people vote for the future leader of the world because some guy told you to do so?

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Your argument is flawed, because, as Booker Floyd pointed out, the lyrics are indeed general in nature and seem to attack the whole idea of war.  I mean, it's a true anti-war protest song, in the tradition of Dylan's "Masters Of War".  Technically, I suppose it would be even more timely today than it was in 1991.  But then GN'R might be seen as merely hopping the bandwagon.  After all, there's a million anti-war songs out there right now.  I have to say, though (and I smile when I say this).  Not one of them is as eloquent, as pure, as powerful, as "Civil War".  Now THAT'S how you do an anti-war song.

That song is definitely one of my favorites.   Now, I assume that Axl wrote the lyrics with the rest of the band, therefore the feelings the song evokes are shared by all the band members. 

When I was young, I didnt think the lyrics were expressing a general anti-war feeling.  I thought it was limited to civil wars in which people fight their 'own kind' so to speak.   But, if the band was indeed lamenting that all wars result from failure to communicate, then that's fine.   I dont have a problem with artists expressing their political views through their creative work.

My political views have been shaped by many factors:
Parents and friends.
Newspaper articles and journals.
The pundits on the TV and radio.
Countless websites, and infamous sites like the Drudge Report.
Music and movies.   There are many great anti-war songs and movies about the Vietnam era that have really affected me such as  'Apocalypse Now'.   

So if Axl, or Springsteen or anyone else publicly voices his political opinions, there's no reason for me to tell him stay the fuck out of politics because I'm not so stupid as to be swayed by any one particular influence.

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

Just for the record, Rhiad is not a name, it is actually spelled wrong. The real spelling is Riyadh, and it is the capital of Saudi Arabia.

[Booker Floyd]

Yeah, why don't we even generalize it some more.? We are talking about politics, elections and global changes. Does a traditional rock song (about drugs/booze/love/etc.) make thousands of people vote for the future leader of the world because some guy told you to do so?

No, and neither does an artist expressing their political ideas.  Its not making anybody vote.  If the ideas they express resonate with a viewer/listener, then its certainly their prerogative to use them when it comes to deciding whom to vote for.   That logic isnt much different from wanting to censor movies or music because it might provoke violence.  Beuce Springsteen, or even Toby Keith, shouldnt keep their mouths shut because there might be people stupid enough to disregard their own beliefs to vote for the candidate those artists endorse.

Sure, it can be annoying to hear the star of some NBC sitcom sharing their views on politics, but who cares?  Thats how they feel obviously, and they should be free to share it. 

[estranged.1098]

Musicians, epsecially rockers should stay the fuck away from politics. Honestly, let the people decide for who they want to vote for, I don't give a shit about celebrity's opinions on global issues and neither should other people. You vote for a candidate based on what you believe, not what some guy thinks. If you have no opinion, then don't vote, but thanks to the musicians who feel its their personal need to ram their opinions down others' throats, we have people voting for someone because Avril or Eminem says so, neutralizing the votes of people who are actually knowlegeable.

Edit: By the way, if you did not finish highschool, that doesn't mean you do not have a right to vote, since you may be as intelligent as the person next to you. But you don't have the right to skew the opinions of masses by playing a few chords on tv.

I don't think you know how anti-democratic that post is.

[grog mug]

Bad Ass I just learned something new about Rhiad and the B's.  Good song, good thing to reflect on and write about.  I'm starting to think CD will be even better then even I expect.

[gnr157]

I'm pulling this from memory....but I think on the indiana boot Axl says that anybody with half a brain wasn't to thrilled about going to war (Irag I) but that once we are at war you are a fuckin' asshole if you don't root for our side.  That sounds strongly in support of the troops...but not necessarly supportive of War in general.

Civil War is definitely an Anti war song....I think it would be hard to argue otherwise. 

And I've never understood why people bash celeberities, artists, or anyone for expressing their political beliefs...  And I think when artists like springsteen and co. take stands on issues, especially political issues, that it is increasingly important to society as a whole.  Springsteen has always paid attention to working class American...and in an election year when one party is trying to hose the working class by offering false security, greater tax cuts for the wealthiest people, and sending working class kids to die in another country to secure oil fields...springsteen and moveon.org are trying to INFORM people that have put a little too much faith into the current administration.  It's like Britany Spears in Farenheit 9/11- when she says we should just trust the president....and let him lead...well she don't give a fuck about the people that are buying her albums... and why should she?, and springsteen could sit in the same company...but he does give a fuck about the people that have been listening to his music for the last 25 years....it's not corporate trend music...it rock n' roll and it has a point and relevance to history to freedom and to indvidual happiness.  Artists that stand against rotten politicians see that the people that have helped make their careers possible (avegage working class folk) are getting fucked by greedy politicians...and some have decieded to do something about it instead of playing it safe just so they don't fuck up their careers.  I applaud these artists.  They are not pushing their politics to make money.....if they were they would be all supporting bush because I'm sure they fall into tax bracket of plus 200,00 dollars a year.  They see injustice and they are doing something about it.  This, in this day and age, is what makes democracy look good.  For people (mainly american citizens) that aren't paying attention....this is one of the most important elections in presidental history....And we have an adminstration that has been exceptionally negligent and that has greatly tarnished American freedom.  We have an administration that has no regrets and that has not apoplogized for one thing, despite admitting that they sent Americans to die in another country based on false information...they have deceived the American public into believing that Saddam had a link to Bin Landen's Terroist cells (polls have shown that 42% of Americans still believe that) while rolling back civil liberities and abusing iraqi prisoners on an international stage. 

[Booker Floyd]

I'm pulling this from memory....but I think on the indiana boot Axl says that anybody with half a brain wasn't to thrilled about going to war (Irag I) but that once we are at war you are a fuckin' asshole if you don't root for our side.? That sounds strongly in support of the troops...but not necessarly supportive of War in general.

Civil War is definitely an Anti war song....I think it would be hard to argue otherwise.?

And I've never understood why people bash celeberities, artists, or anyone for expressing their political beliefs...? And I think when artists like springsteen and co. take stands on issues, especially political issues, that it is increasingly important to society as a whole.? Springsteen has always paid attention to working class American...and in an election year when one party is trying to hose the working class by offering false security, greater tax cuts for the wealthiest people, and sending working class kids to die in another country to secure oil fields...springsteen and moveon.org are trying to INFORM people that have put a little too much faith into the current administration.? It's like Britany Spears in Farenheit 9/11- when she says we should just trust the president....and let him lead...well she don't give a fuck about the people that are buying her albums... and why should she?, and springsteen could sit in the same company...but he does give a fuck about the people that have been listening to his music for the last 25 years....it's not corporate trend music...it rock n' roll and it has a point and relevance to history to freedom and to indvidual happiness.? Artists that stand against rotten politicians see that the people that have helped make their careers possible (avegage working class folk) are getting fucked by greedy politicians...and some have decieded to do something about it instead of playing it safe just so they don't fuck up their careers.? I applaud these artists.? They are not pushing their politics to make money.....if they were they would be all supporting bush because I'm sure they fall into tax bracket of plus 200,00 dollars a year.? They see injustice and they are doing something about it.? This, in this day and age, is what makes democracy look good.? For people (mainly american citizens) that aren't paying attention....this is one of the most important elections in presidental history....And we have an adminstration that has been exceptionally negligent and that has greatly tarnished American freedom.? We have an administration that has no regrets and that has not apoplogized for one thing, despite admitting that they sent Americans to die in another country based on false information...they have deceived the American public into believing that Saddam had a link to Bin Landen's Terroist cells (polls have shown that 42% of Americans still believe that) while rolling back civil liberities and abusing iraqi prisoners on an international stage.?

 

Good post...

[POPmetal]

I hope Axl and/or Slash never have to resort to shilling for politicians in order to revive an ailing career. That's what this is about. Almost all of those "political" artists are has beens. What does that tell you?

I'd rather see artists get attention by being creative instead.

[takeshi]

I'm pulling this from memory....but I think on the indiana boot Axl says that anybody with half a brain wasn't to thrilled about going to war (Irag I) but that once we are at war you are a fuckin' asshole if you don't root for our side.? That sounds strongly in support of the troops...but not necessarly supportive of War in general.

Civil War is definitely an Anti war song....I think it would be hard to argue otherwise.?

And I've never understood why people bash celeberities, artists, or anyone for expressing their political beliefs...? And I think when artists like springsteen and co. take stands on issues, especially political issues, that it is increasingly important to society as a whole.? Springsteen has always paid attention to working class American...and in an election year when one party is trying to hose the working class by offering false security, greater tax cuts for the wealthiest people, and sending working class kids to die in another country to secure oil fields...springsteen and moveon.org are trying to INFORM people that have put a little too much faith into the current administration.? It's like Britany Spears in Farenheit 9/11- when she says we should just trust the president....and let him lead...well she don't give a fuck about the people that are buying her albums... and why should she?, and springsteen could sit in the same company...but he does give a fuck about the people that have been listening to his music for the last 25 years....it's not corporate trend music...it rock n' roll and it has a point and relevance to history to freedom and to indvidual happiness.? Artists that stand against rotten politicians see that the people that have helped make their careers possible (avegage working class folk) are getting fucked by greedy politicians...and some have decieded to do something about it instead of playing it safe just so they don't fuck up their careers.? I applaud these artists.? They are not pushing their politics to make money.....if they were they would be all supporting bush because I'm sure they fall into tax bracket of plus 200,00 dollars a year.? .? This, in this day and age, is what makes democracy look good.? For people (mainly american citizens) that aren't paying attention....this is one of the most important elections in presidental history....And we have an adminstration that has been exceptionally negligent and that has greatly tarnished American freedom.? We have an administration that has no regrets and that has not apoplogized for one thing, despite admitting that they sent Americans to die in another country based on false information...they have deceived the American public into believing that Saddam had a link to Bin Landen's Terroist cells (polls have shown that 42% of Americans still believe that) while rolling back civil liberities and abusing iraqi prisoners on an international stage.?

What the hell does springsteen know about the plight of "the working man", he's a multi millionaire who only gets anywhere near ordinary people when they pay inflated ticket prices to here him singing his 30 year old songs and he bitches about playing "born to run".  He cheated on his wife and then left her for his backing singer.  He spilt up the E street band for a while because his ego couldn't take them getting any attention.  Moveon.org is a parisan group that isn't trying to inform anyone, there motives are not that idealistic, they are a front of the democratic party.  They tell the lies so that Kerry can keep his hands clean.

You claim that Bush only offered tax cuts to the wealthy.  Firstly the tax cuts that the President brought in were for everyone.  Every working family in America benefited from these tax cuts and the Clinton appointed president of the federal reserve, Alan Greenspan said that these tax cuts helped reduced the impact of the recession that began under clinton.  You are also laboring under the mistaken impression that any family which earns more than $200,00 a year is rich.  Me and my wife and many other hard working families fall into that category and we're not incredibly wealthy.  I work hard to earn my money and I want to keep as much of it as I can.

You seem to also believe that the military operations in Iraq were for the purposes of securing the oil fields.  If that was the sole objective then why are we fighting in fallujah, sammara and sadr city.  If we just wanted the oil we could have seized the fields and left the animals in fallujah to kill each other.

There may be some questions over Saddam's connection to Al Qaeda but he had very public connections to other terrorist groups.  He publicly announced his financial support of the families of homicide bombers who had murdered Israelis.

Saddam Hussein was a blood thirsty tyrant who spent thirty years murderering and torturing his own people at a rate of around 10,000 a year.  The left wingers spent this time asking why someone wasn't doing something about him.  Well, something has been done and now saddam is sitting in a prision cell awaiting the justice he denied to so many and still the lefties bitch and moan.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I'd rather see artists get attention by being creative instead.

Well, what if they expressed their political opinions creatively?? Would you have a problem with that?? In the long run, it is more meaningful than playing partisan politics for one particular election.? The song will remain, and the election will be forgotten.

I believe it was Ted Koppel who interviewed Springsteen about his tour - and he asked several pertinent questions such as: Are you actually going to change anyone's mind about the election, or just piss a lot of people off?? ?I personally dont think it will change anyone's mind - the people likely to attend are already against Bush anyway.? They're just going to get a concert out of it.? That's why I dont have a problem with the Vote for Change tour.

The biggest reason people seem to be giving for wanting celebrities to remain non-partisan is that they are afraid that the 'masses' will be influenced by the celebrity's opinion.? I'm not that stupid, and I would like to believe that others are not like that as well.? If people really are that stupid, then censuring musicians and artists is the worst thing possible.? It is usually through those mediums that people (even stupid ones) discover their ideas and motivation.

[ppbebe]

The majority of British and European punk bands are/were famous/notorious for their political messages. Sometimes that?s what they?re all about. And they?re nowhere near the has-beens.

Like for many of you, musicians political views never affect mine or my musical preference.
So as far as they keep their art for art?s sake not for politics, I?m easy. Or rather I?m fairly curious about GNR members opinions.

They should have their say. 

[Axl4Prez2004]

Moveon.org is a parisan group that isn't trying to inform anyone, there motives are not that idealistic, they are a front of the democratic party.? They tell the lies so that Kerry can keep his hands clean.

  Oh, you mean like swiftboat veterans for bush?  Or pro-life groups that want to tell a raped 14 year old girl she can't have an abortion?  There are distortionists on both sides.

You are also laboring under the mistaken impression that any family which earns more than $200,000 a year is rich.? Me and my wife and many other hard working families fall into that category and we're not incredibly wealthy.? I work hard to earn my money and I want to keep as much of it as I can.

  Excuse me???  What are you smoking???  If you don't think your family income of $200,000+ is defined as wealthy, you are about as well-informed as our current president.  You probably take home 5 times more money than the average household in the U.S.  Awww, and now you won't be getting extra tax cuts, pardon me if I don't shed a tear. 

You seem to also believe that the military operations in Iraq were for the purposes of securing the oil fields.? If that was the sole objective then why are we fighting in fallujah, sammara and sadr city.? If we just wanted the oil we could have seized the fields and left the animals in fallujah to kill each other.

  Beautiful, now you refer to Iraqi fighters as "animals."  Also, let's see, the first Ministry in Iraq secured was hmmm, what was it again??  Oh yeah, the Oil Ministry. 

There may be some questions over Saddam's connection to Al Qaeda but he had very public connections to other terrorist groups.? He publicly announced his financial support of the families of homicide bombers who had murdered Israelis.

  How about Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Libya, China, (I could name about 10 more nations with just as oppressive leaders who have ties to terrorism).  Do we invade all of them next???  Iran and Syria have even more direct ties to suicide bombers, do we take them out next??

Saddam Hussein was a blood thirsty tyrant who spent thirty years murderering and torturing his own people at a rate of around 10,000 a year.? The left wingers spent this time asking why someone wasn't doing something about him.? Well, something has been done and now saddam is sitting in a prision cell awaiting the justice he denied to so many and still the lefties bitch and moan.

  Listen to yourself...for 30 years!!!  For God's sake, for half of those 30 years he was one of our (the U.S. that is) closest allies in the 1980's!  Yes, that was AFTER he gassed the Kurds.  Yes, that was with what we would call a weapon of mass destruction.  Right-winger Ronnie Reagan was more than happy to supply Saddam with $ and weapons.  Where were you in the '80's??  I'm going to guess it wasn't trying to rally support to topple the brutal Saddam.     

  Now, to get back on topic...unfortunately 90% of the time this following statement is true.  Those who don't like entertainers speaking their political minds are Bush suporters, while those who support the artists' expressions of political issues are anti-Bush.  Slash is obviously supporting Kerry...and does anyone honestly think Axl would show up on time to the voting booth?  Also, after having been seen in public fewer times than Elvis in the past few years, do you honestly think he'd be out voting?  Like most people, he probably doesn't like either of these guys.  (I do wish he'd vote for the lesser of 2 evils though )

Sincerely,
Axl4Prez2004 

[Captain Obvious]

Yeah, why don't we even generalize it some more.  We are talking about politics, elections and global changes. Does a traditional rock song (about drugs/booze/love/etc.) make thousands of people vote for the future leader of the world because some guy told you to do so?

No, and neither does an artist expressing their political ideas.  Its not making anybody vote.  If the ideas they express resonate with a viewer/listener, then its certainly their prerogative to use them when it comes to deciding whom to vote for.   That logic isnt much different from wanting to censor movies or music because it might provoke violence.  Beuce Springsteen, or even Toby Keith, shouldnt keep their mouths shut because there might be people stupid enough to disregard their own beliefs to vote for the candidate those artists endorse.

Sure, it can be annoying to hear the star of some NBC sitcom sharing their views on politics, but who cares?  Thats how they feel obviously, and they should be free to share it. 

No, your analogy of violence in movies doesn't fit. What is the sole reason why these stars make their political opinions so public? I can see a musician putting a song on the record on which they write about their views on pilitics, but people go much further.  What is the point of playing at the party conventions, or organizing pro-party concerts, or appearing in tv ads promoting a candidate? Is it because the artists just wants to let everyone know how they feel? The whole purpose is to convert those who are unsure about who they are going to vote for, those who are on the fence, with a little appeal.

If we wanted opinions, why not have an unknown author tell us a bit, why not a political science analyst or professor? Why not some guy who works at a grocery store? Because the purose isn't to share opinions, the purpose is to appeal to and influence the masses, no matter how educated or uneducated your opinion may be.

[Booker Floyd]

I can see a musician putting a song on the record on which they write about their views on pilitics, but people go much further.? What is the point of playing at the party conventions, or organizing pro-party concerts, or appearing in tv ads promoting a candidate?

Okay, so you dont have a problem with musicians expressing political views, but actual political activism?

Is it because the artists just wants to let everyone know how they feel? The whole purpose is to convert those who are unsure about who they are going to vote for, those who are on the fence, with a little appeal.

Thats not the whole purpose.? Its also to motivate those who share similar beliefs.? And its exposing their ideas to those who dont...call it "tring to convert" if you want, but the bottom line is that theyre not making anybody vote that doesnt want to.?

Do you actually believe people are taking the trouble to register and vote without supporting the actual candidate in some capacity?
 

If we wanted opinions, why not have an unknown author tell us a bit, why not a political science analyst or professor? Why not some guy who works at a grocery store? Because the purose isn't to share opinions, the purpose is to appeal to and influence the masses, no matter how educated or uneducated your opinion may be.

Well thats political activism, and why shouldnt artists that are passionate about their beliefs partake in it?? If an artist is passionate about change, or lack thereof, they should shut up because theyre musicans?? Its their prerogative to put their beliefs out there, and its the fans prerogative to listen.?

And what do you mean "Why not an author...?"? We get their opinions too.? We gets analysts opinions.? And we get regular peoples opinions as well.? But we shouldnt get an artists opinion...after all, art isnt about the expression of ideas or anything.?

[gnr157]

What the hell does springsteen know about the plight of "the working man", he's a multi millionaire who only gets anywhere near ordinary people when they pay inflated ticket prices to here him singing his 30 year old songs and he bitches about playing "born to run".? He cheated on his wife and then left her for his backing singer.? He spilt up the E street band for a while because his ego couldn't take them getting any attention.? Moveon.org is a parisan group that isn't trying to inform anyone, there motives are not that idealistic, they are a front of the democratic party.? They tell the lies so that Kerry can keep his hands clean.

You claim that Bush only offered tax cuts to the wealthy.? Firstly the tax cuts that the President brought in were for everyone.? Every working family in America benefited from these tax cuts and the Clinton appointed president of the federal reserve, Alan Greenspan said that these tax cuts helped reduced the impact of the recession that began under clinton.? You are also laboring under the mistaken impression that any family which earns more than $200,00 a year is rich.? Me and my wife and many other hard working families fall into that category and we're not incredibly wealthy.? I work hard to earn my money and I want to keep as much of it as I can.

You seem to also believe that the military operations in Iraq were for the purposes of securing the oil fields.? If that was the sole objective then why are we fighting in fallujah, sammara and sadr city.? If we just wanted the oil we could have seized the fields and left the animals in fallujah to kill each other.

There may be some questions over Saddam's connection to Al Qaeda but he had very public connections to other terrorist groups.? He publicly announced his financial support of the families of homicide bombers who had murdered Israelis.

Saddam Hussein was a blood thirsty tyrant who spent thirty years murderering and torturing his own people at a rate of around 10,000 a year.? The left wingers spent this time asking why someone wasn't doing something about him.? Well, something has been done and now saddam is sitting in a prision cell awaiting the justice he denied to so many and still the lefties bitch and moan.

What does Springsteen know about the plight of the working class?
"This Hard Land" "Thunder Road" "Born in the USA" "Glory Days" ....and the list goes on.? These are songs that all reflect working class experiences (I'm not claiming that springsteen is working class, but incredibily insightful and thoughtful to be able to write from this perspective). And the fact that Springsteen is a Multimillionare and that he is taking a stand against the current adminsitration is in itself impressive.? He could sit by and be idle and ingore the injustices occuring....and grow richer...or he can try and? use his fame and influence to work towards correcting the injustices towards the working class.?

"He cheated on his wife and then left her for his backing singer"
Infieldilty is a human condition...rich or poor, republican or democrat, white or black...it doesn't matter.

"You are also laboring under the mistaken impression that any family which earns more than $200,00 a year is rich.? Me and my wife and many other hard working families fall into that category and we're not incredibly wealthy.? I work hard to earn my money and I want to keep as much of it as I can".

I once read that the povery gap in America is a result of the poor man's envy and the rich man's greed...your statment seems to have traces of both.? The idea that if you keep working and keep enough money...you will someday be able to afford leisure time to pursue your interest.s..it's the flaw of effiency.? We live in a society of want...and for some people no matter how much they have or how much better they may have it then their neighbor...they always want MORE.? Well a piece of liberal rhetoric...it's better to live richly than to die rich.? $200,000 dollars a year is wealthy in America...I make it on less than 20,000 a year...and have no problem giving what I can to DFA? or the kerry Campaign because it's for a just cause.? I also like to think that I live well.? It may have taken a little while to pay for the $300 01/01/01 Gnr HOB ticket...but it was worth every fuckin' cent.?

"You seem to also believe that the military operations in Iraq were for the purposes of securing the oil fields.? If that was the sole objective then why are we fighting in fallujah, sammara and sadr city.? If we just wanted the oil we could have seized the fields and left the animals in fallujah to kill each other"

The Republicans have flip flopped on the justification for the Iraq war so many times that I think they are not even sure why we invaded? Iraq in the first place.? And calling human beings in Fallujah Animals is incredibly shallow and ethnocentric.? Thinking that America is trying to free Iraqi's is also absurd...who are we? meaning America...to think that we can police the world and make the assumption that our democracy is so great that it should be spread through out the world...by violence if necessary.? We have poverty, a war on drugs that is a collosal failure, racism, unemployment, 28,000 children die a year in our country because of inadequate health care, a prison system that takes non-violent offenders and turns them into harden criminals...etc.? Myabe before we try and force or way of government on a different culture...we should focus on correcting the injustices within.....starting with a corrupt administration....one that has made our constitution look like a fucking joke.? One that has disgraced American Honor and the basic principles of freedom.? And one that has given terroist leaders years of anti American recruitment material....

There is also this issue of people saying that celeberites shouldn't speak out on politics because they are not qualified intelletuals...well what qualifys them? (the naysayers) to say who can and can't share their political views...it's hypocritical and lacks any logic whatsoever.? Just because you like someone's music or art, but your self serving politcs differ flrom them doesn't make it just to say that they shouldn't have intellectual or political voice..it doesn't change the validity of their statements.?

As far as Axl goes...Tommy recently said that CD will have some social commentary....it will be interesting to see what Axl thinks or even if he does try and say anthing of any political improtance.?

[xPhoeniX]

I dont care if these artists are putting their political views off on their audiences.  I'm just not going to be a part of that audience.
   If i wanna hear about politics I'll stay home and research the facts myself, instead of absorbing their biased opinions.  Usually people that preech politics to people do it for the sole purpose of promoting their own agengas.  They tell the people what they want them to believe.     If u want to form ur own opinion..  look up the FACTS, from unbiased sources.


unfortunately most people believe everything they hear/