Observing the society

[nesquick]

Have you already taken a few minutes, trying to "disconnect" yourself from the outside just to observe how the whole society works? Try the experience, take a coffee somewhere, sit down, and just observe people in the street. Don't speak, just observe people during a few minutes, close your eyes if you can and just hear the noize. Don't you think things are too well organized? Doesn't it shock you?
It's both wonderfull and scary. It's special. This is a unique moment. And then...you come-back to "real" life, you stand-up, and you continue to do what you have to do...that's wonderfull...you feel great...

[MCT]

Have you already taken a few minutes, trying to "disconnect" yourself from the outside just to observe how the whole society works? Try the experience, take a coffee somewhere, sit down, and just observe people in the street. Don't speak, just observe. Don't you think things are too well organized? Doesn't it shock you?
It's both wonderfull and scary. It's special. This is a unique moment. And then...you come-back to "real" life, you stand-up, and you return to work. That's wonderfull.

Which society exactly are you referring to?

[nesquick]

well in my language, society = people (you, me, everybody).
I didn't mean "company" 

[Narcissa]

doesn't work for me.

[MCT]

I'd urge you to compare the quoted text from my previous post with your original post.

[SLCPUNK]

Have you already taken a few minutes, trying to "disconnect" yourself from the outside just to observe how the whole society works? Try the experience, take a coffee somewhere, sit down, and just observe people in the street. Don't speak, just observe people during a few minutes, close your eyes if you can and just hear the noize. Don't you think things are too well organized? Doesn't it shock you?
It's both wonderfull and scary. It's special. This is a unique moment. And then...you come-back to "real" life, you stand-up, and you continue to do what you have to do...that's wonderfull...you feel great...

Fucking sad is what it is.

We are just monkeys with cell phones in this country, driving around buying shit we don't need. I'd say 95% of the population in the states are totally controlled by what they see on tv, and they do as they are told.

Wanna real trip?

Turn off the tv for about 6 months. See how you think then...you may never want to turn that crap on again. That will change your life and you'll see why you want what you do, and why people want what they want.

[Timothy]

Have you already taken a few minutes, trying to "disconnect" yourself from the outside just to observe how the whole society works? Try the experience, take a coffee somewhere, sit down, and just observe people in the street. Don't speak, just observe people during a few minutes, close your eyes if you can and just hear the noize. Don't you think things are too well organized? Doesn't it shock you?
It's both wonderfull and scary. It's special. This is a unique moment. And then...you come-back to "real" life, you stand-up, and you continue to do what you have to do...that's wonderfull...you feel great...

Fucking sad is what it is.

We are just monkeys with cell phones in this country, driving around buying shit we don't need. I'd say 95% of the population in the states are totally controlled by what they see on tv, and they do as they are told.

Wanna real trip?

Turn off the tv for about 6 months. See how you think then...you may never want to turn that crap on again. That will change your life and you'll see why you want what you do, and why people want what they want.

I agree with the SLCPUNK got the most part ,but I really don?t think it is something that has happened over night this is something that has been going on for many ,many years now.



But I don?t think you have to turn the tv off to know why you want thing .Just watch a little less and don?t buy ever little thing of bullshit that it spews ate you.

[SLCPUNK]

I keep it off now. The more I went without it, the less I missed it.

I don't think I said it happened overnight, hence the "monkeys with cell phones" remark.

My point is: 6 months or 6 days...it makes you turn inwards, and hopefully that will make you ask deeper questions than "can I afford the new Ipod," or " can this SUV really make trips to the grocery easier for me?"

When oil reserves runs lower and prices creep up, watch what happens next.....

[Jessica]

Have you already taken a few minutes, trying to "disconnect" yourself from the outside just to observe how the whole society works? Try the experience, take a coffee somewhere, sit down, and just observe people in the street. Don't speak, just observe people during a few minutes, close your eyes if you can and just hear the noize. Don't you think things are too well organized? Doesn't it shock you?
It's both wonderfull and scary. It's special. This is a unique moment. And then...you come-back to "real" life, you stand-up, and you continue to do what you have to do...that's wonderfull...you feel great...

I did this for 3 years of my life and wrote about it.

[Timothy]

I keep it off now. The more I went without it, the less I missed it.

I don't think I said it happened overnight, hence the "monkeys with cell phones" remark.

My point is: 6 months or 6 days...it makes you turn inwards, and hopefully that will make you ask deeper questions than "can I afford the new Ipod," or " can this SUV really make trips to the grocery easier for me?"

When oil reserves runs lower and prices creep up, watch what happens next.....

I really don?t watch that much tv .I mean the only things I watch are sportcenter , Wrestling , and ufc ppv and  wrestling ppv .Besides that It?s mainly used to watch movies .


But if your going to cut off tv would you not  also have to cut off other form of adevertisment such ass radio , the internet etc.?

I don?t think that the main problem is that is that these adevertisments go after the people who really don?t stop and think about their decisions . On buy stuff like an SUV.

And that you have people who would rather fallow other then who they are .

[Sin Cut]

Have you already taken a few minutes, trying to "disconnect" yourself from the outside just to observe how the whole society works? Try the experience, take a coffee somewhere, sit down, and just observe people in the street. Don't speak, just observe people during a few minutes, close your eyes if you can and just hear the noize. Don't you think things are too well organized? Doesn't it shock you?
It's both wonderfull and scary. It's special. This is a unique moment. And then...you come-back to "real" life, you stand-up, and you continue to do what you have to do...that's wonderfull...you feel great...

How do you know it's the real life?

[SLCPUNK]

I keep it off now. The more I went without it, the less I missed it.

I don't think I said it happened overnight, hence the "monkeys with cell phones" remark.

My point is: 6 months or 6 days...it makes you turn inwards, and hopefully that will make you ask deeper questions than "can I afford the new Ipod," or " can this SUV really make trips to the grocery easier for me?"

When oil reserves runs lower and prices creep up, watch what happens next.....

I really don?t watch that much tv .I mean the only things I watch are sportcenter , Wrestling , and ufc ppv and? wrestling ppv .Besides that It?s mainly used to watch movies .


But if your going to cut off tv would you not? also have to cut off other form of adevertisment such ass radio , the internet etc.?

I don?t think that the main problem is that is that these adevertisments go after the people who really don?t stop and think about their decisions . On buy stuff like an SUV.

And that you have people who would rather fallow other then who they are .

I don't listen to radio, only music I choose.

I read and learn, mostly online, plus do all my day to day banking type things.

I think you may be missing my point a bit. It's not just ads that affect the person you are. TV shapes who you are all day long, from what you buy, to how you think and why you think it. 24 hour news channels are no better than ads in my book.

[Timothy]

Okay I get  what your saying now.

But you have to agree that TV and what you watch can only shape what you think and buy if you let it .The same could be said about the internet and any other form of entertainment.
 

[Axls Locomotive]

Okay I get  what your saying now.

But you have to agree that TV and what you watch can only shape what you think and buy if you let it .The same could be said about the internet and any other form of entertainment.
 

you would be surprised...why do you think advertisers spend so much money on advertising? because it works...subliminal association and repetition...once you become aware to it then you will never look at advertising in the same way again

[Timothy]

Okay I get  what your saying now.

But you have to agree that TV and what you watch can only shape what you think and buy if you let it .The same could be said about the internet and any other form of entertainment.
 

you would be surprised...why do you think advertisers spend so much money on advertising? because it works...subliminal association and repetition...once you become aware to it then you will never look at advertising in the same way again

Yeah it does work but only if you let yourself buy into it. is all I?m saying.

[gunsnroses393]

[SLCPUNK]

Great pic...wrong topic....

[Prometheus]

Okay I get  what your saying now.

But you have to agree that TV and what you watch can only shape what you think and buy if you let it .The same could be said about the internet and any other form of entertainment.
 

you would be surprised...why do you think advertisers spend so much money on advertising? because it works...subliminal association and repetition...once you become aware to it then you will never look at advertising in the same way again

How is it that it goes... MCT correct me on this one if im off the mark....

"The medium is the msg, and the content is the viewers"


it works on everything from radio to print to tv and movies. the one thing that is dynamic is the content, and the one thing that is static is the msg.

we always change that is why we are dynamic. our needs, out ideals, our wants, and our dreams. we observe the medium, and we control what we see. regardless if you have 1 channel or 100 if not enough people watch a certail show on the medium it goes away and something fills the void by what we want or is preceived that we want. it happens with everyting. regardless of advertising, if the product siomply doesnt work no matter how well it is advertised there will be less and less repeat customers. so that is why products are trageted more and more to reach thos niches that will buy it no matter what.


long story short, advertising does have an effect on the vast majority of consumers because it is targeted to reach the vast majority of cousumers or targeted to reach just the niche shoppers. however teh product ahs to make it on its own merit after the inital sale or no matter how much you spend on advertising you will not seel many more of them.

[MCT]

How is it that it goes... MCT correct me on this one if im off the mark....

"The medium is the msg, and the content is the viewers"

What are ya gettin' on wit' me son?

[conny]

Don?t like to think too much, it makes me think too much,
It keeps my mid on my mind
Don?t wanna see too much, it makes me see to much
Sometimes I?d rather be blind

All the things that they?re saying & doing
When they pass me by it just fills me up with noise
It overloads me
I wanna disconnected myself
Pull my brains damn out, unplug myself
I want nothing right now, I want to pull it out

Yeah, I want to pull it out, yeah
I wanna break it all down, hey, I wanna pull it out
Yeah, yeah, disconnect myself, disconnect myself

A thousand miles an hour going nowhere fast
Cluding to the details of your past
Talking ?bout your damages and wasting my time
Wanna be the king mainstain in line
All the numbers and the colours of the fax
Back by the rumours and the figures of the statch
I think I?m gonna download my ind

I wanna pull it out

Too damn bad if at the end of the day the only thoughts
In your brain are all the things that they say, what a waste
Too damn bad if at the end of the line you got no idea of
What?s on your own mind
You got no one to blame but yourself
Too much to know, too much to see
If I mean something to you but it?s nothing to me

I wanna disconnect myself, pull my brains damn out, unplug myself
I want nothing right now, I want to pull it out

- Henry Rollins, "Disconnect", from the album "Weight"


@ SLCPUNK

You. Are. Way. Cool.? ?

Seriously, you hit the hammer on the nail with everything you said. Couldn't agree more with the "real trip" part. But I would not call it a trip, it's more of a "way out".

[SLCPUNK]

Thanks.

I love that song....I saw the video once...when I used to watch tv..

[Dust N Rose]

Unfortunately TV is an integral thing in every house.
Recently, my aunt's TV had a breakdown. She asked my mother if she could lend our small TV until hers would be fixed.
"There is too much silence in my house", she replied. That's why she needed the TV.
This was an example from real life that should make us think about it.
The first thing everyone does when he returns from vacations is pressing the TV on button.

We are tied from a little box.

But TV is just a tool to submit people's mind and manipulate them. Trust companies use TV and every other stuff to promote their products. These subproducts rull our lives and we become like slaves. We are still flattered sometimes that we are independent, that we're having self-ruling.  If you stop buying new products, you will think that you're loosing the game, that you are defective. Therefore, chasing the products becomes a silly aim in our lives. I think that's why many rich people are bored. They have everything (material stuff) in their lives, they've done everything and they get bored. We feel pathetic while we have plenty. Till yesterday we thought that knowledge will give us freedom. It seems that the freedom key is hidden elsewere.

I believe that humanity suffers because we don't have aspirations. Everyone just wants to have a rewarding job and that's all. If you have a dream, you have a cause to become strong in your life.

[SLCPUNK]

Great post.

[Timothy]

I believe that humanity suffers because we don't have aspirations. Everyone just wants to have a rewarding job and that's all. If you have a dream, you have a cause to become strong in your life.

What about the people who have reached their dream ?

Having a rewarding Job isn't a bad thing ,there are many ways a job can be rewarding ,be it means you can provide for your family they way you want or that you can help people.

[SLCPUNK]

I think he meant aspirations beyond what you are being sold. I.E. nice home, nice car, nice clothes, nice furniture, perfect job..etc etc etc.

In other words, not a superficial level.

[Timothy]

Yeah now that I think about that sound like what he was meaning.

[D]

there are people who watch shit and whatever is said they take it for fact


I dont do that, regardless of what i hear, i form my own opinions and think for myself, i entertain their points of view and decide for myself how much i believe or dont believe.

I am a guy who has never been motivated by money,or acceptance or whatever, I live a simple life and i am able to watch tv, internet,movies,music but yet still retreat inwards and think for myself.


I dont feel bad for society, its what it is.

I laugh sometimes at the makeup queens and the guys who dress like metrosexual abercrombie models because they feel that is what is considered cool.

I love goin to places and wearing navy blue workout pants and a plain black fruit of the loom Tshirt and walkin by all these clean cut well dressed preppy type people.

I feel sad for anyone who tries to fit in and tries to be accepted and liked. i have never changed, i have never conformed for anything or anyone. i had a job, they told me to cut my hair, i quit. fuck that!

I dont know how much tv plays a role because if they go to school and see how the kids act,dress etc, they will try to be that because its cool.

not many people have their own individuality anymore, to many conformist in today's society.

[Dust N Rose]

I think he meant aspirations beyond what you are being sold. I.E. nice home, nice car, nice clothes, nice furniture, perfect job..etc etc etc.

In other words, not a superficial level.

You got me Our ideals can be upper things, not the new Peugeot or Toyota Corolla. Of course I don't believe that having a car or wealth is a bad thing. I never thought amoral someone that wanted to be rich. I thought amoral someone that wanted to be rich without sweat.
Anyway Sorry for my bad english, I use an electronic dictionary each time I want to express a word or phrase that I don't know.

To the point:
D raised a good point.
Whether our thoughts, our judges, our decisions every day are "ours" and not formed from the society (even family). I think the team we belong(the language we speak, the god we trust, the way we were raised, the job we have) is fixing the way we're thinking. So the values we have are not "ours". Of course, our ego doesn't admit that.
Independent stance is a good myth. In most cases it's where we belong, and that's what shapes our thoughts and our believes. That's the conformism that D refered.
I'll give you an example from something impressive that I red recently.
During the 50s a psycologist (don't remember his name) made a clever experiment.
He gave to 6 people a paper that was asking to match the given line with the correct line (equal size) from other 3 lines above. The answer was obvious. But before that, the 5 people were gathered and the psycologist told them to make a false choice. The experiment happened somehow so the last person was able to hear the other's answers before he delivered the paper. Surprisingly the majority of the people from every experiment were giving each time the other's answer, the false one. When the psycologist was explaining the conspiracy thing, the persons were self-justifying. They were excusing that they weren't careful, that they didn't observe it too much. Noone admitted he was drifted from the other's choice.
When we belong in a mass of people, we can run wild and we don't admit it that it was the mass that made us to act like that.
That's human's nature. Human is a social person. He wants to communicate. He wants to share his moments of hapiness. When he's having fan he wants to be with other people around. That's why young people are behaving the same way. They want to be accepted and they're willing to sacrifice some of their habits in order to be accepted. That's same dressing, same tastes, same interests e.t.c. We all make our compromises in daily life to be accepted. If you don't look like other people, you're considered weird. That's human thing too. Even when we're kids we can act that way. You remember Forest Gump? None of the kids wanted him to sit next to them in the school bus. It's the subconsious fear that makes us reject people. The fear that this person might be dangerous.
We need to be brave and honest with ourselves in order to be individuals and not just another piece of the mass. "Delusion is timidity" Nietztche said. Cravenness to face the truth.

[D]

here are some more examples.


I remember when Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera or someone like that started wearing a pink trucker hat

all of a sudden all the teenage girls got one and started wearing them

that drives me crazy

also in the United States it is cool to be black, so u see all sorts of suburban white kids, sagging their pants, tryin to talk the lingo and act that way

its ridiculous.

people watch Micheal Moore's misleading movies and believe 100 percent of his propaganda and i think that is misleading

any person who has a personal agenda has to be taken with a grain of salt

but most people swallow 100 percent of it like its the absolute truth, sure some of it is factual but not all of it certainly is the truth.

[Dust N Rose]

here are some more examples.


I remember when Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera or someone like that started wearing a pink trucker hat

all of a sudden all the teenage girls got one and started wearing them

that drives me crazy

also in the United States it is cool to be black, so u see all sorts of suburban white kids, sagging their pants, tryin to talk the lingo and act that way

its ridiculous.

One word, MTV influence.