Guy Spits On Jane Fonda

[Axls Locomotive]

but say your dad or your brother got killed in the war and u see some rich,spoiled,movie star on TV doing shit like that and basically disrespecting your father or brother or whoever that gave their life so people like that can be rich,famous and spoiled it would piss u off to no end.

if im not mistaken, wasnt the US using chemical weapons on a massive scale in vietnam almost from the very start of their involvement in the war?  you talk about brothers and fathers getting killed but that is the case on both sides...i read somewhere that these chemicals were still causing deformations in children even today...the war was a pointless war against a country who wasnt a threat to anyone...

noone is questioning the commitment of soldiers in any war, but it is the government who sends them in...

do you also question the numerous amount of people who staged rallies against the US involvement in the war? including i recall a US veterans rally...do you also consider their actions an act of treason?

Im not 100 percent sure on this but i think she said something about how the POWs were treating great and that the govt used the POW's as pawns to continue the war or something like that.

its free speech and she was wrong to say that..she was dumb and blinded by her own cause...but lets be aware she was talking about nixons government...not exactly the most honest of presidents was he?

do you know the reasons why the US went to war with vietnam? self interest wasnt it?

[D]

what happened when the US pulled out of Vietnam? do u remember the mass slaughter that happened?

just like today people are screaming for us to pull out of Iraq but we cant. If we do it will be the same as what happened in Vietnam.

yes i have a very deep hatred for war protesters who spit in soldier's faces and screamed "baby killers" at them

who the fuck are these people to do some shit like that?

[jgfnsr]

what happened when the US pulled out of Vietnam? do u remember the mass slaughter that happened?

No D, guys like IQ or SLCPUNK conveniently forget about the Khmer Rouge regime slaughtered an estimated 1.7 million people.? Infact I remember reading one report where, in terms of the number of people killed as a proportion of the population of the country it ruled, it was the most violent regime of the 20th century, exceeding even those of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

just like today people are screaming for us to pull out of Iraq but we cant. If we do it will be the same as what happened in Vietnam.

yes i have a very deep hatred for war protesters who spit in soldier's faces and screamed "baby killers" at them

who the fuck are these people to do some shit like that?

The anti-war protesters then are the same as today.? Funny how they so often choose to exercise their freedom of speech against they very soldiers who give them it.? They'll claim they actually support our soldiers and are simply protesting against the government but that is a copout.? They'll scream about the number of deaths of both U.S. troops and foreign civilians.? However, in reality, their shrill whines have much more to do with their specific agendas then the fallen on either side.

[Axls Locomotive]

what happened when the US pulled out of Vietnam? do u remember the mass slaughter that happened?

No D, guys like IQ or SLCPUNK conveniently forget about the Khmer Rouge regime slaughtered an estimated 1.7 million people.  Infact I remember reading one report where, in terms of the number of people killed as a proportion of the population of the country it ruled, it was the most violent regime of the 20th century, exceeding even those of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

since when did i conveniently forget?, and im not sure why you mention the regime that ruled Cambodia...its one of the first wars i remember anything about...ironically it was the Vietnamese who overthrew the Cambodian regime...i believe there is reasonable evidence to show that USA's involvement in the Vietnam War pushed many communist soldiers into neighbouring Cambodia which may have given impetus to the rise of the Khmer Rouge

If you want to talk about the Khmer Rouge feel free to start another thread but since nobody will defend the Khmer Rouge and that noone is interested as it involved a country who is probably regarded as unimportant by many here... the thread will die quickly

what happened when the US pulled out of Vietnam? do u remember the mass slaughter that happened?

yes and have you heard of the My Lai massacre? over 200 civilians killed by US troops, mainly women, children and babies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre
http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_vietnam_mylai.html

what i realise is that both sides committed atrocities...does anyone even want to think about that?

[SLCPUNK]

what happened when the US pulled out of Vietnam? do u remember the mass slaughter that happened?

No D, guys like IQ or SLCPUNK conveniently forget about the Khmer Rouge regime slaughtered an estimated 1.7 million people.? Infact I remember reading one report where, in terms of the number of people killed as a proportion of the population of the country it ruled, it was the most violent regime of the 20th century, exceeding even those of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

since when did i conveniently forget?, and im not sure why you mention the regime that ruled Cambodia...its one of the first wars i remember anything about...ironically it was the Vietnamese who overthrew the Cambodian regime...i believe there is reasonable evidence to show that USA's involvement in the Vietnam War pushed many communist soldiers into neighbouring Cambodia which may have given impetus to the rise of the Khmer Rouge

If you want to talk about the Khmer Rouge feel free to start another thread but since nobody will defend the Khmer Rouge and that noone is interested as it involved a country who is probably regarded as unimportant by many here... the thread will die quickly

what happened when the US pulled out of Vietnam? do u remember the mass slaughter that happened?

yes and have you heard of the My Lai massacre? over 200 civilians killed by US troops, mainly women, children and babies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre
http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_vietnam_mylai.html

what i realise is that both sides committed atrocities...does anyone even want to think about that?

Great post, well thought out and well sourced.

I see you ignored the personal attacks and stuck to your guns.

If you noticed the other guy tried to hit below the belt and you did not hit back in the same fashion.

Way to cut through the bull and stick to your guns!!

[SLCPUNK]

I'll split hairs, and ask you to explain this comment.

How did she "go beyond" ? Explain.

I'll go ahead and thank D above for explaining well enough for me.

That's your problem SLCPUNK.? You can never admit what, even to you, is the obvious.? It's always the same knee-jerk reaction with you.

Yea..."knee jerk"....

Like asking you to explain your stupid comments in more detail? Which you still haven't done.

"Knee jerk".....  

[D]

innocent people die in wars.

i hate when people say women and children as if its so much worse for a woman or child to be killed than a man. its unfortunate but its war.

people are making a big fuss cause some rich famous actor chick got spit on.

boo fuckin hoo.

the guy was pretty gutless to run or whatever he did, but he felt a certain disgust and he made his piece with it.

He felt offended by her and i can totally understand it.

Im normally a democrat but some of u are so pro democrat that u are blinded at times by your liberalness.

It doesnt matter what Bush does, there are those democrats that are gonna shit on it.

there are also republicans in the world that shit on anything a democrat does.

i stay away from debating or discussing anything with either of these types because its basically pointless. nothing worse than a bleeding heart liberal or an iron clad conservative.

A major point being overlooked is the fact that the soldiers have no choice. they are proud to defend us and i am happy they do, i sure as fuck dont wanna be drafted so im not gonna offend and put down people who risk their lives for the very shit i am able to do because of them.

innocent people get killed, its sad, its unfortunate but its life, its real life shit and in life shit happens. kids,women, men die every day in this world due to senseless tragedies.

if a soldier fucks up and kills someone innocent that is that one soldier but it shouldnt be a reflection of the entire army.

Im sure people were upset when we joined WWII, im sure there were some who were protesting the American revolution.

Im proud of the war in Iraq, I think those people being free and becoming a democracy will be an enormous benefit to the world at large in the long run.

[Timothy]

I don?t have a problem with this guy being frustrated by her actions  her ,but I think he could have went about showing his distaste for her in a better way .then spitting on her then running away .

As far as those who want to talk shit about they men and women that are in are arm service well the can go fuck off.

[D]

Im not condoning stuff like using chemical weapons or atomic bombs but u know it isnt my life on the line, and im gonna be selfish for a moment, if it comes down to me dying or 200 women and children dying, its unfortunate but hey thats the price of war. protesting is cool but doing stuff like she did,those protesters spitting in soldiers faces and callin them baby killers etc, that crosses the line.

the way kids and woman are blowing up people with suicide bombs, i just dont have as much sympathy cause u dont who to trust.

like that US soldier who is in trouble for shooting an unarmed Iraqi, well how was he suppose to know that guy didnt have a bomb ready to detonate and kill everyone?

[jgfnsr]

what i realise is that both sides committed atrocities...does anyone even want to think about that?

While I'm glad you've come to that realization I Q, you aren't the first. ?People have been using that reasoning for years in order to rationalize and justify their not taking a position and choosing a side.

That' fine though. ?Have fun waaaaaaaaaaaay up there in your ivory tower. ?

[jgfnsr]

Great post, well thought out and well sourced.

I see you ignored the personal attacks and stuck to your guns.

If you noticed the other guy tried to hit below the belt and you did not hit back in the same fashion.

Way to cut through the bull and stick to your guns!!

SLCPUNK, if you want to verbally felate I Q, do it through a PM mmmkay?   

[jgfnsr]

Im not condoning stuff like using chemical weapons or atomic bombs but u know it isnt my life on the line, and im gonna be selfish for a moment, if it comes down to me dying or 200 women and children dying, its unfortunate but hey thats the price of war. protesting is cool but doing stuff like she did,those protesters spitting in soldiers faces and callin them baby killers etc, that crosses the line.

the way kids and woman are blowing up people with suicide bombs, i just dont have as much sympathy cause u dont who to trust.

like that US soldier who is in trouble for shooting an unarmed Iraqi, well how was he suppose to know that guy didnt have a bomb ready to detonate and kill everyone?

EXACTLY!

These soldiers are going from house to house in rapid succession, not knowing who is an insurgent and who is a civilian.?

Why?? Because the insurgents hide amongst the civilians obviously.? I work with a guy now who got back from Iraq about a month ago.? His job for 10 months was to look for roadside bombs.? The so-called "insurgents," terrorists really, will detonate a bomb anywhere - mosques, schools, neighborhoods, etc.

I don't remember who the miserable piece of shit was that started the sarcastic thread about a "hero marine liberating insurgent's life" a while back, but I do recall some who actually supported his basic jist.? ?

It's a no-win situation with any of 'em.? They castigate our soldiers going while all but supporting the enemy coming!?

And their reason?? They believe they've reached some level of higher conciousness where they think there is really no right or wrong, good or bad side; because "war is bad" and "attrocities happen on both sides."? ?

[Timothy]

 I couldn?t in a million year imagine what it like to be a soldier over in Iraqi fighting with  suicide bombers and all other crazy shit like that.

They way I see it is war is hell and there is going to casualties ,that is just part of the hell that is war .I wish it was avoidably but it?s not.

[Axls Locomotive]

what i realise is that both sides committed atrocities...does anyone even want to think about that?

While I'm glad you've come to that realization I Q, you aren't the first.  People have been using that reasoning for years in order to rationalize and justify their not taking a position and choosing a side.

That' fine though.  Have fun waaaaaaaaaaaay up there in your ivory tower.   

you make an interesting comment then you follow it with a put down...very smart...

btw felate isnt a word...maybe you used it on yourself too often that you dont realise that

and yes i will take sides if i believe it merits taking sides and that there is a greater cause...when i believe a war isnt justified i dont take sides...the Vietnam war wasnt justified imo...neither was the 2nd Iraq war...the 1st Iraq war yes it was justified...i dont take sides just because someone else says i have to...its called reasoning and if youd rather be a lemming them feel free to jump the cliff with the rest of them

innocent people die in wars.

i hate when people say women and children as if its so much worse for a woman or child to be killed than a man. its unfortunate but its war.

really?  wow you are really showing your attitudes now arent you...the My Lai massacre involved no Vietnamese troops...you cant justify that no matter how cold you are

As far as those who want to talk shit about they men and women that are in are arm service well the can go fuck off.

in your mind the armed services are beyond law are they ?

 

It's a no-win situation with any of 'em.  They castigate our soldiers going while all but supporting the enemy coming! 

And their reason?  They believe they've reached some level of higher conciousness where they think there is really no right or wrong, good or bad side; because "war is bad" and "attrocities happen on both sides."   

and you believe that no matter what these soldiers do, there are no repercussions from those actions? what you fail to grasp is that there is a line that shouldnt be crossed...and it was crossed at My Lai

and so you try to push my arguments and opinions into a corner because you cant grasp the fact that there are more than 2 opinions ...you push me into being a liberal when i would happily see the death penalty return and i believe in abortion...and btw i believe everyone should be treated equally so try not to label me as something i am clearly not...

[GnRNightrain]

That?s some disgusting shit man .

spitting tobacco juice into some ones face is just wrong.

So is sitting aiding and abetting the enemy.? I have little sympathy for that treasonist.

how can you "sit" aiding and abetting the enemy?

the woman has what is commonly called in america "freedom of speech"...and you are defending someone who has committed a crime...and you want to become a lawyer...amusing

Hahaha
First, Im not defending this person at all.  He deserves to be punished as does anyone that breaks the law.  Im sorry, but freedom of speech has exceptions in our country as it does in any.  Such exceptions include: defamation, incitement, firghting words, and treason.  There are many stories going around about old Jane.  By going over to our enemy and giving them comfort in a time of war, is aiding and abetting the enemy.  That my friend is not protected by the First Amendment.  Dont presume to have any knowldge about my credentials to become an attorney or our legal system.  What is amusing is the fact that you make such stupid comments without any such knowledge.

[GnRNightrain]

you gotta understand something, this is real life shit here.

But you have to realize that this kind of action is accepted now.  You do this today and people like SLC and IQ wil call them a hero

[Axls Locomotive]

By going over to our enemy and giving them comfort in a time of war, is aiding and abetting the enemy. 

you mean like the Red Cross?

defamation eh...hmmm...so since Fonda hasnt been convicted of any treasonous activity and you have called her a treasonist, quite a serious accusation...doesnt that qualify as defamation? so ill be looking forward to you appearing in a court somewhere near you...of course you know that wont happen hmmmm

i hear defamation every day and nobody gets tried for it...its only convenient when money is involved...

[SLCPUNK]

Great post, well thought out and well sourced.

I see you ignored the personal attacks and stuck to your guns.

If you noticed the other guy tried to hit below the belt and you did not hit back in the same fashion.

Way to cut through the bull and stick to your guns!!

SLCPUNK, if you want to verbally felate I Q, do it through a PM mmmkay?? ?

Little people say little things.

[SLCPUNK]

i hate when people say women and children as if its so much worse for a woman or child to be killed than a man. its unfortunate but its war.

1. You would not say that if it were your family getting blown up
2. They did not ask for us to 'free them', nor is it our job.
3. Bush only pushed the 'free Iraq' bill once no WMD came to light. The latest report a month or so back SLAMS bush for the poor intelligence.


the guy was pretty gutless to run or whatever he did, but he felt a certain disgust and he made his piece with it.

A real man, would not have acted in such a way, period.

Im normally a democrat but some of u are so pro democrat that u are blinded at times by your liberalness.

There are many stories about what happened with her there. Many urban legends as well. Snopes.com puts much of it to rest. She did some stupid shit, but in no way aided the enemy or gave information of any kind to help them. If she did, she most certainly would have been charged. Treason is something right wing nut-jobs like to throw around, but it falls very far from the true definition. It is just their way of saying "we don't like what this person has to say."

It doesnt matter what Bush does, there are those democrats that are gonna shit on it.

I was behind Bush until he invaded Iraq.

A major point being overlooked is the fact that the soldiers have no choice. they are proud to defend us and i am happy they do, i sure as fuck dont wanna be drafted so im not gonna offend and put down people who risk their lives for the very shit i am able to do because of them.

If somebody feels they are pointing out war crimes, that is their right to do so.

innocent people get killed, its sad, its unfortunate but its life, its real life shit and in life shit happens. kids,women, men die every day in this world due to senseless tragedies.

Senseless yes. Vietnam was senseless and so is Iraq. 1000's of lives could have been saved by avoiding BOTH conflicts. Something that people seem to forget.

These kids are not defending our country in either war. They were imperial moves on BOTH COUNTS.

Im proud of the war in Iraq, I think those people being free and becoming a democracy will be an enormous benefit to the world at large in the long run.

You are not realistic, sorry. We can't pull out for years and when we do civil war will errupt. More than ever now I believe our placement there is for resources more than anything. Once the "war on terror" is a success we will invade South America next for their oil. We NEED OIL. Or country depends on it, much more than just gas for our cars. We reached peak oil years ago and consume more than we drill up. We depend on oil for EVERYTHING. So "spreading democracy" is the last reason we are there, trust me.

You are proud that all the contracts to rebuild were given to Cheney's buddies...a company that he still has financial ties to?

The tortures that have occured by our hands (found guilty and sent away, btw)?

This is just a warm up and  it is in no fuckin way a "sad reality of war" it's a huge lie to the world and the American people.

[GnRNightrain]

By going over to our enemy and giving them comfort in a time of war, is aiding and abetting the enemy.?

you mean like the Red Cross?

defamation eh...hmmm...so since Fonda hasnt been convicted of any treasonous activity and you have called her a treasonist, quite a serious accusation...doesnt that qualify as defamation? so ill be looking forward to you appearing in a court somewhere near you...of course you know that wont happen hmmmm

i hear defamation every day and nobody gets tried for it...its only convenient when money is involved...

Actually it is not defamation.  Defamation involves actual malice, a reckless regard for the truth.  Considering the stories that are circulated are the ones that everyone tells, that is hardly defamation under our laws.  Especially since she is a famous person.  So sorry, I wont find my way to a court room anytime soon.  She is welcome to try though.