RUMOR The Trunk CD is in circulation

[dave-gnfnr2k]

darknemus posted this at mygnr
hopefully he wont mind me post this here


Hello all,

By the way, sorry I haven't been posting lately, I have been absolutely slammed with work related stuff. However, I still read the forums and keep up on the daily wait grind, so to speak. Anyway, on to the possibly juicy stuff.

As some of you may know, I have a friend (he's also a client, but mostly a friend) who works in Florida radio. He's not on-air talent, but instead involved in the management aspect of the business. Anyway, most of any 'info' I've gotten in the past has come from this same person, as he knows 2 or 3 people who are relatively high up the food chain at Interscope. Hence why I've always clarified that my information has usually come from that side of the fence.

Anyway, in a brief phone exchange with him this morning (Mostly working out VPN issues, but I digress) he informed me that the CD that showed up at Trunk's office is "out there and it will probably get ripped soon - just depends on who wants to take the plunge". We spoke a bit more about it and my friend says that as far as Interscope is concerned, there's not alot of concern over said disc possibly making the rounds. However, he thinks legal would probably take a totally different approach on it.

Who knows - I do know that some greedy radio folks have been holding on to Off the Air DAT tape recordings of Trunk's broadcast that night. I'm fairly certain that, within the upper echelon of the GNR trading circles, that whole recording is out there. I still think the best part of that recording was the 20 minutes AFTER IRS was played, as the comments were, well, raw, unrehearsed, and real. (Yes, I've heard the broadcast on DAT.. no, I don't have a copy.. if I did, trust me, you'd be seeing yousendit links. Maybe posted by Biff Tannen, but hey, nobody's perfect.

Alright, I'm out. Make of this what you will - it probably again pans into nothing, but we shall see.

-darknemus

[darknemus]

I don't mind, but I'd take my name out of the title.  It might irk some people

Peace out,

-darknemus

[nesquick]

Dark, answer to my PM, thanks

[jabba2]

I knew there was likely more copies of this CD. How else would Mike Piazza just casually recieve a copy and then turn out to be the only person thats not a producer, etc. It doesnt add up. I dont believe Mike got it in fan mail, however. Axl or another higher up that knew Mike is a GNR fan gave it to him.

[younggunner]

I still think the best part of that recording was the 20 minutes AFTER IRS was played, as the comments were, well, raw, unrehearsed, and real.

What do you mean?/What was said?

[Axl4Prez2004]

Younggunner, you took the words out of my mouth.  Good question.  I remember alot of this story vaguely, were there any other songs played that night on Trunk?  Were they immediately told to stop it that night?  Someone please refresh my memory.

-Axl4Prez2004

PS  Thank you Dearknemus   

[killingvector]

I am curious if the other songs on the tracks are also making the rounds.......

why would the label not be worried about this? Have they given up?

[ppbebe]

Trunk said he liked the other rocker on the disc best.

Maybe the folks went on listening the whole demo cd then and didn't put it on air?

[darknemus]

Yeah, to clarify, guys.  Only one track was played.  Supposedly, there were six on the disc.  3 w/ lyrics, and 3 instrumental versions of the same tracks.  The 'after the song was played' stuff I was referring to were the callers.. most of who were like "Uhh, was that Guns n' Roses??" - that was cool.  And Trunk said good things about Axl, so that was nice.

-darknemus

[elevendayempire]

Wow. I'd give my left arm for that CD. And I wouldn't be able to play guitar then, so that's a big deal...

SG

[Timmy]

we need to track this disc down

[Chief]

if it really is out there im guessing eventually it will come out...

[mega_music]

Just give it time it will surface. I knew and I'm guessing Axl and management knew that once the Trunk show was aired there is no stopping it from surfacing on the internet it would just be a matter of time. Just a little patience! 

[killingvector]

I am not confident it would surface. If anyone has gotten hold of it, it is probably those who tend not to release material to the public.....if you catch my drift.

[mrlee]

Just give it time it will surface. I knew and I'm guessing Axl and management knew that once the Trunk show was aired there is no stopping it from surfacing on the internet it would just be a matter of time. Just a little patience! 

New quote from axl on CD "ive been walking the streets at night, just to get it right"

Dunno bout you guys, but CD seems to have taken over his life.

[badapple81]

Maybe the record company aren't too concerned as the songs to be released on the record have since been updated and/or replaced 

[DunkinDave]

Maybe the record company aren't too concerned as the songs to be released on the record have since been updated and/or replaced?

But the trouble is, if a leak is widespread, then the song holds no value for future legitimate releases.

For example, releasing "Madagascar" as a single would be pointless now because people heard the song 3 years ago and consider it old.

 

[jabba2]

I am not confident it would surface. If anyone has gotten hold of it, it is probably those who tend not to release material to the public.....if you catch my drift.

Whoevers in possesion of the DAT either has tremendous respect for Axl or plans on waiting many years and milking it for all its worth.

Ebay in 15 years anyone?

[DunkinDave]

I am not confident it would surface. If anyone has gotten hold of it, it is probably those who tend not to release material to the public.....if you catch my drift.

Whoevers in possesion of the DAT either has tremendous respect for Axl or plans on waiting many years and milking it for all its worth.

Ebay in 15 years anyone?

Trade bait for the VMA Rehearsals guy?

lol

[badapple81]

Maybe the record company aren't too concerned as the songs to be released on the record have since been updated and/or replaced?

But the trouble is, if a leak is widespread, then the song holds no value for future legitimate releases.

For example, releasing "Madagascar" as a single would be pointless now because people heard the song 3 years ago and consider it old.

 

Yeah I agree, but if the record company aren't too concerned, that would tell me that perhaps the songs on the CD hold no value for future releases.

And I still think Madagascar would make it, as we've only heard live versions so far, unlike say Oh My God for example which we have all obviously heard and have on the soundtrack etc.

[SLCPUNK]

Blah blah...bullshit...

[John Daniels]

I think we should milk that guy who leaked IRS. I bet he/she has all 3 songs.

[WARose]

I think we should milk that guy who leaked IRS. I bet he/she has all 3 songs.

the version leaked was recorded from radio, and since only IRS was actually played, he hasn`t got it for sure.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I think we should milk that guy who leaked IRS. I bet he/she has all 3 songs.

the version leaked was recorded from radio, and since only IRS was actually played, he hasn`t got it for sure.

That is what that person CLAIMED

[John Daniels]

I think we should milk that guy who leaked IRS. I bet he/she has all 3 songs.

the version leaked was recorded from radio, and since only IRS was actually played, he hasn`t got it for sure.

how someone's radio signal could be so fucked up that the outcome is that shitty. I mean even with bad signal you can't get that shitty recording, I think it could be manipulated.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I think we should milk that guy who leaked IRS. I bet he/she has all 3 songs.

the version leaked was recorded from radio, and since only IRS was actually played, he hasn`t got it for sure.

how someone's radio signal could be so fucked up that the outcome is that shitty. I mean even with bad signal you can't get that shitty recording, I think it could be manipulated.

There are two theories why the song is that bad quality.
One he used a PC mic to get the song from his tape of the show to his computer
or
he has the cd and fucked with the quality.

[darknemus]

In case anyone's interested in trying to track down this show, and maybe has contacts in  radio taping circles..

The show was broadcast on 8/29/03 on Q104.3 in NYC.  Its called "Friday Night Rocks w/ Eddie Trunk".  I've decided to start making a concerted effort to track down a tape of the original broadcast.. and some help would be a great thing

If anyone knows anyone in any radio trading circles, put out your feelers.

-darknemus

[mikegiuliana]

I don't even give a fuck if the cd gets ripped... We all know the management will say take it down or hear axl didn't want us to hear it this way so stop listening to it./..great for the people who would feel good about getting some shit boot

[chineseblues]

I think we should milk that guy who leaked IRS. I bet he/she has all 3 songs.

the version leaked was recorded from radio, and since only IRS was actually played, he hasn`t got it for sure.

how someone's radio signal could be so fucked up that the outcome is that shitty. I mean even with bad signal you can't get that shitty recording, I think it could be manipulated.

There are two theories why the song is that bad quality.
One he used a PC mic to get the song from his tape of the show to his computer
or
he has the cd and fucked with the quality.

And the truth is it was recorded from a tape to his pc using a shit mic 

[ppbebe]

Is the one leaked on the net originally the very same take as the one that aired on the Trunk show?

[mikegiuliana]

is there anyone on the forums that heard the original airing?? As in are they still posting?

[ppbebe]

Yeah I remember someone here said he heard it while driving.

[darknemus]

Is the one leaked on the net originally the very same take as the one that aired on the Trunk show?

To the best of my recollection, yes.  Its missing about the first 30 seconds or so.  However, I do recall the DAT recording sounding much.. crisper, for lack of a better phrase.  The thing is, its been over a year since I've heard the tape, so it could very well be my mind playing tricks on me with that one.

-darknemus

[Voodoochild]

Of course it's "crisper". I bet the guy who recorded the song only put the mic on one speaker (only the right or left speaker), so I'm sure it's missing a lot. Also, the quality is fuckin' bad and it doesn't help at all.

[Will]

It will probably leak out at the same time as the VMAs rehearsals DVD.

Maybe before the Las Vegas 2001 pro-shot. See ya in 2015.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

This IRS track leaking canonly help the band and CD hype. Its only a demo and not the album track, so it would be good hype.

[Voodoochild]

This IRS track leaking canonly help the band and CD hype. Its only a demo and not the album track, so it would be good hype.

It sure worked for Fiona Apple with her Extraordinary Machine album.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

This IRS track leaking canonly help the band and CD hype. Its only a demo and not the album track, so it would be good hype.

It sure worked for Fiona Apple with her Extraordinary Machine album.

No one has waited since 93 for a new Fiona Apple album, huge difference. Pretty much everyone wants to hear CD from the old gnr, to mtv to current and former fans. 

[chineseilusions]

Have to agree with dave on this one.

Some want to hear it so Axl can proove how great of a frontman and writer he is.Thats my reason anyway 

[Voodoochild]

This IRS track leaking canonly help the band and CD hype. Its only a demo and not the album track, so it would be good hype.

It sure worked for Fiona Apple with her Extraordinary Machine album.

No one has waited since 93 for a new Fiona Apple album, huge difference. Pretty much everyone wants to hear CD from the old gnr, to mtv to current and former fans.

Yeah, we (fiona apple fans) waited since 99. But my point was just the buzz about the album. By the time the demos leaked, the news were that she had give up from the music business... Everyone losted faith in ever listen to the album. And that's what we (guns n' roses fans) are feeling (well, sort of... I still have faith).

[dave-gnfnr2k]

This IRS track leaking canonly help the band and CD hype. Its only a demo and not the album track, so it would be good hype.

It sure worked for Fiona Apple with her Extraordinary Machine album.

No one has waited since 93 for a new Fiona Apple album, huge difference. Pretty much everyone wants to hear CD from the old gnr, to mtv to current and former fans.

Yeah, we (fiona apple fans) waited since 99. But my point was just the buzz about the album. By the time the demos leaked, the news were that she had give up from the music business... Everyone losted faith in ever listen to the album. And that's what we (guns n' roses fans) are feeling (well, sort of... I still have faith).

She was never the biggest band or singer in the world like Axl and gnr were. Its still a giant difference. Also the major difference is, the IRS leak made fans want to hear CD more not less.

[kyrie]

Dave you're missing the poster's point:

Fiona Apple BENEFITED from her songs being leaked. The label had shelved her album and she was in limbo, tracks leaked, suddenly there was public interest, and the album was released.

It has nothing to do with GNR being bigger than Fiona. In this case, maybe a leak would encourage Axl.

[mikegiuliana]

Have to agree with dave on this one.

Some want to hear it so Axl can proove how great of a frontman and writer he is.Thats my reason anyway?

you need cd to show how good of a frontman and writer he is or was?? Either way axl was the best frontman of his generation and none have followed... To me the two best one two punch in the past 20 years belongs to axl n slash at their respected positions..

[Voodoochild]

She was never the biggest band or singer in the world like Axl and gnr were. Its still a giant difference. Also the major difference is, the IRS leak made fans want to hear CD more not less.

Of course she's not the bigges band or singer! Who said that?
Also, the fans wanted to hear EM more too! You're still missing my point.
That's exactly what I said:

Dave you're missing the poster's point:

Fiona Apple BENEFITED from her songs being leaked. The label had shelved her album and she was in limbo, tracks leaked, suddenly there was public interest, and the album was released.

It has nothing to do with GNR being bigger than Fiona. In this case, maybe a leak would encourage Axl.

Yeah dude, that's it! 

[chineseilusions]

Have to agree with dave on this one.

Some want to hear it so Axl can proove how great of a frontman and writer he is.Thats my reason anyway?

you need cd to show how good of a frontman and writer he is or was?? Either way axl was the best frontman of his generation and none have followed... To me the two best one two punch in the past 20 years belongs to axl n slash at their respected positions..

Agree with you there.Okay maybe I didn't say what I meant I meant that some people think that Axl has lost his talent,this album will be his chance to proove them wrong and I believe Axl and Richard could be a great one two punch maybe not as great as Axl and Slash but still great

[Mikkamakka]

Have to agree with dave on this one.

Some want to hear it so Axl can proove how great of a frontman and writer he is.Thats my reason anyway?

you need cd to show how good of a frontman and writer he is or was?? Either way axl was the best frontman of his generation and none have followed... To me the two best one two punch in the past 20 years belongs to axl n slash at their respected positions..

Agree with you there.Okay maybe I didn't say what I meant I meant that some people think that Axl has lost his talent,this album will be his chance to proove them wrong and I believe Axl and Richard could be a great one two punch maybe not as great as Axl and Slash but still great

Richard? Why Richard? 

[nesquick]

Because Richard is the closest new guitarist to Slash in the band. See the VMA'02- Madagascar (Richard took the lead) and Paradise city. The chemistry was there.I agree with chineseillusion. the Axl-Richard duet is promizing.

[ppbebe]

Is the one leaked on the net originally the very same take as the one that aired on the Trunk show?

To the best of my recollection, yes.  Its missing about the first 30 seconds or so.  However, I do recall the DAT recording sounding much.. crisper, for lack of a better phrase.  The thing is, its been over a year since I've heard the tape, so it could very well be my mind playing tricks on me with that one.

-darknemus

Hum thanks

When asked for the identification Trunk was not crisp either but answered like "yeah,...sounds alike..." as he hadn't heard it for ages like you.
But yea, It's only natural that you or he shouldn't have gone guarantee for it.

And Not only the sound quality but also the loudness or indistinctness of each instrument changes many times on the one we hear.?it sounds as if  bits of 20~30 sec each had been recorded differently in the studio and patched together.

So I'm still a bit curious to know if the aired one sounded patchy as this one but crisper.

[darknemus]

Ok, my memory could very well be off here.  However, the more that I try to think about it.  (And don't worry - I've put in a request to hear it again at the studio.. but the problem is, right now, I'm out of town during the weekdays, so  I don't know how I can make that happen)

When I heard the track - I do NOT remember the way the recording got less muffled towards the end.. like we have in the version we have now.   I'm pretty sure that thing has been run through a digital filter or two .. probably mostly to cover the tracks of the person that ripped (or possibly radio recorded) it.

I'm hoping my friend decides he's tired of me asking and just mails me the damn DAT already - but, umm, I doubt that's gonna happen.  As it is, I send him an email every week saying "Hey, you said "maybe next time" - is now  next time?" - its become kind of a running joke among us.

I know his concerns, he doesn't want to lose his job.. and I don't want hiim to - so its really just friendly jabbing back and forth.  If he'd be willing to turn his back for 5 minutes, though, I'd be happy to help make that little tape disappear from the studio.. oh well, Que Sera Sera.

-darknemus

[chineseblues]

Ok, my memory could very well be off here.  However, the more that I try to think about it.  (And don't worry - I've put in a request to hear it again at the studio.. but the problem is, right now, I'm out of town during the weekdays, so  I don't know how I can make that happen)

When I heard the track - I do NOT remember the way the recording got less muffled towards the end.. like we have in the version we have now.   I'm pretty sure that thing has been run through a digital filter or two .. probably mostly to cover the tracks of the person that ripped (or possibly radio recorded) it.



-darknemus

It wasnt run though a filter or anything, its because of the mic the guy used to record it to his pc from his tape.

[darknemus]

I personally don't believe the mic to the radio story.  But that's just me and it just a vibe I have, nothing more.

-darknemus

[jabba2]

IRS to me always sounded like it was recorded through a tape deck or baby moniter. Or mic like another person said. Im sure he did that intentionally because the quality is awful. Cant even make out what hes saying.

[ClintroN]

towards the end of the song, you can clearly hear someone messin' with the volume nob,  to the actual beat to the song

anyone hear it, i think someone was fuckin' with it!!

[kyrie]

I personally don't believe the mic to the radio story.? But that's just me and it just a vibe I have, nothing more.

-darknemus

Think it through.

Whoever leaked the CD clearly did not care about watermarking, if he did he'd never have sent the CD to Piazza - he had to know Piazza would give it out/have it played somewhere.

You said yourself the original broadcast sounded different from the copy leaked online. If the person who leaked it online was the original source, why carelessly send a CD of 6 tracks to a baseball player and then go through the trouble of putting a clip through a filter to spread online. Seems counterproductive.

Which means the sources are different, and the online clip is probably a secondary source, and I can tell you that those generally don't care about watermarks.

If it went through a filter, it was to clean up the audio of a bad capture.

[0lorin]

Think of all the bootlegs of live show's that exist, audience recordings from 1987 etc. etc.
There isn't really many of them that suck as much as the quality of the IRS recording, and this is now the digital age where most people have decent equipment at their fingertips, so I find it hard to believe that someone holding a modern recorder up to a speaker in their own home would result in such a terrible recoding, no matter how cheap n nasty the equipment used was.

[pilferk]

Let me just say I buy the mic story.

I also think the reason it "muffles" at the end is...the person got? in front of, or moved slightly, the mic.

I THINK what the guy did was tape it on a regular cassette off the radio on the night of the show. Quality on taping a radio signal to cassette is already sorta crappy, and who knows what quality equipment or method he was using (could be direct tuner input, or it coulda been a crappy boombox sitting in front of the guys home stereo tuner...)

Then, to get this over to a "digital" file, the guy had SOMEONE? walk him through the simplest way to do it:? Wave recording (I think Wav studio) of a "playing" of the cassete via PC mic.? I also suspect the person used a "boom box" type thing to play the tape (more reduction in quality) with the PC mic set about 6 to 8 inches away, near the center of the speakers, with the volume CRANKED (more distortion).? When you get the muffling, I suspect the person either bumped the mic or somehow got in front of it (perhaps to get to the PC ) or was making continual adjustment of the placement of the mic.? Given what we have as "evidence" (and it's sketchy, at best), I don't think this person was overly technical, at all.

I may actually do some testing on this over the coming weekend to see what kind of results I get.....Just to see if the same sort of recording method (radio to tape, boombox to wav file via PC mic) gets similar results.

I just wish the guy had contacted ME!  There's ways to do what he did  that are just as easy and would yield much better quality results.  Ah well....

On the DAT tape thing, I know that stations that syndicate Eddie's show had, right after the broadcast, DATS of the show.? I also know they were "sequestered", and perhaps there was even a request to destroy them, by the managment of those stations at the direction of Trunk and his company (I assume at the request of GnR and their managment).? It certainly wouldn't surprise me if one of those tapes "got loose" at some point.

On the CD that Trunk had...well, his story about reciept of the CD/Piazza's story about the CD has always seemed fishy to me.? In addition, unless that leak was "plugged", it certainly seems logical that a copy of THAT CD would be leaked again, by the same source.? It certainly would be interesting to hear!