RUMOR The Trunk CD is in circulation

[dave-gnfnr2k]

This IRS track leaking canonly help the band and CD hype. Its only a demo and not the album track, so it would be good hype.

It sure worked for Fiona Apple with her Extraordinary Machine album.

No one has waited since 93 for a new Fiona Apple album, huge difference. Pretty much everyone wants to hear CD from the old gnr, to mtv to current and former fans.

Yeah, we (fiona apple fans) waited since 99. But my point was just the buzz about the album. By the time the demos leaked, the news were that she had give up from the music business... Everyone losted faith in ever listen to the album. And that's what we (guns n' roses fans) are feeling (well, sort of... I still have faith).

She was never the biggest band or singer in the world like Axl and gnr were. Its still a giant difference. Also the major difference is, the IRS leak made fans want to hear CD more not less.

[kyrie]

Dave you're missing the poster's point:

Fiona Apple BENEFITED from her songs being leaked. The label had shelved her album and she was in limbo, tracks leaked, suddenly there was public interest, and the album was released.

It has nothing to do with GNR being bigger than Fiona. In this case, maybe a leak would encourage Axl.

[mikegiuliana]

Have to agree with dave on this one.

Some want to hear it so Axl can proove how great of a frontman and writer he is.Thats my reason anyway?

you need cd to show how good of a frontman and writer he is or was?? Either way axl was the best frontman of his generation and none have followed... To me the two best one two punch in the past 20 years belongs to axl n slash at their respected positions..

[Voodoochild]

She was never the biggest band or singer in the world like Axl and gnr were. Its still a giant difference. Also the major difference is, the IRS leak made fans want to hear CD more not less.

Of course she's not the bigges band or singer! Who said that?
Also, the fans wanted to hear EM more too! You're still missing my point.
That's exactly what I said:

Dave you're missing the poster's point:

Fiona Apple BENEFITED from her songs being leaked. The label had shelved her album and she was in limbo, tracks leaked, suddenly there was public interest, and the album was released.

It has nothing to do with GNR being bigger than Fiona. In this case, maybe a leak would encourage Axl.

Yeah dude, that's it! 

[chineseilusions]

Have to agree with dave on this one.

Some want to hear it so Axl can proove how great of a frontman and writer he is.Thats my reason anyway?

you need cd to show how good of a frontman and writer he is or was?? Either way axl was the best frontman of his generation and none have followed... To me the two best one two punch in the past 20 years belongs to axl n slash at their respected positions..

Agree with you there.Okay maybe I didn't say what I meant I meant that some people think that Axl has lost his talent,this album will be his chance to proove them wrong and I believe Axl and Richard could be a great one two punch maybe not as great as Axl and Slash but still great

[Mikkamakka]

Have to agree with dave on this one.

Some want to hear it so Axl can proove how great of a frontman and writer he is.Thats my reason anyway?

you need cd to show how good of a frontman and writer he is or was?? Either way axl was the best frontman of his generation and none have followed... To me the two best one two punch in the past 20 years belongs to axl n slash at their respected positions..

Agree with you there.Okay maybe I didn't say what I meant I meant that some people think that Axl has lost his talent,this album will be his chance to proove them wrong and I believe Axl and Richard could be a great one two punch maybe not as great as Axl and Slash but still great

Richard? Why Richard? 

[nesquick]

Because Richard is the closest new guitarist to Slash in the band. See the VMA'02- Madagascar (Richard took the lead) and Paradise city. The chemistry was there.I agree with chineseillusion. the Axl-Richard duet is promizing.

[ppbebe]

Is the one leaked on the net originally the very same take as the one that aired on the Trunk show?

To the best of my recollection, yes.  Its missing about the first 30 seconds or so.  However, I do recall the DAT recording sounding much.. crisper, for lack of a better phrase.  The thing is, its been over a year since I've heard the tape, so it could very well be my mind playing tricks on me with that one.

-darknemus

Hum thanks

When asked for the identification Trunk was not crisp either but answered like "yeah,...sounds alike..." as he hadn't heard it for ages like you.
But yea, It's only natural that you or he shouldn't have gone guarantee for it.

And Not only the sound quality but also the loudness or indistinctness of each instrument changes many times on the one we hear.?it sounds as if  bits of 20~30 sec each had been recorded differently in the studio and patched together.

So I'm still a bit curious to know if the aired one sounded patchy as this one but crisper.

[darknemus]

Ok, my memory could very well be off here.  However, the more that I try to think about it.  (And don't worry - I've put in a request to hear it again at the studio.. but the problem is, right now, I'm out of town during the weekdays, so  I don't know how I can make that happen)

When I heard the track - I do NOT remember the way the recording got less muffled towards the end.. like we have in the version we have now.   I'm pretty sure that thing has been run through a digital filter or two .. probably mostly to cover the tracks of the person that ripped (or possibly radio recorded) it.

I'm hoping my friend decides he's tired of me asking and just mails me the damn DAT already - but, umm, I doubt that's gonna happen.  As it is, I send him an email every week saying "Hey, you said "maybe next time" - is now  next time?" - its become kind of a running joke among us.

I know his concerns, he doesn't want to lose his job.. and I don't want hiim to - so its really just friendly jabbing back and forth.  If he'd be willing to turn his back for 5 minutes, though, I'd be happy to help make that little tape disappear from the studio.. oh well, Que Sera Sera.

-darknemus

[chineseblues]

Ok, my memory could very well be off here.  However, the more that I try to think about it.  (And don't worry - I've put in a request to hear it again at the studio.. but the problem is, right now, I'm out of town during the weekdays, so  I don't know how I can make that happen)

When I heard the track - I do NOT remember the way the recording got less muffled towards the end.. like we have in the version we have now.   I'm pretty sure that thing has been run through a digital filter or two .. probably mostly to cover the tracks of the person that ripped (or possibly radio recorded) it.



-darknemus

It wasnt run though a filter or anything, its because of the mic the guy used to record it to his pc from his tape.

[darknemus]

I personally don't believe the mic to the radio story.  But that's just me and it just a vibe I have, nothing more.

-darknemus

[jabba2]

IRS to me always sounded like it was recorded through a tape deck or baby moniter. Or mic like another person said. Im sure he did that intentionally because the quality is awful. Cant even make out what hes saying.

[ClintroN]

towards the end of the song, you can clearly hear someone messin' with the volume nob,  to the actual beat to the song

anyone hear it, i think someone was fuckin' with it!!

[kyrie]

I personally don't believe the mic to the radio story.? But that's just me and it just a vibe I have, nothing more.

-darknemus

Think it through.

Whoever leaked the CD clearly did not care about watermarking, if he did he'd never have sent the CD to Piazza - he had to know Piazza would give it out/have it played somewhere.

You said yourself the original broadcast sounded different from the copy leaked online. If the person who leaked it online was the original source, why carelessly send a CD of 6 tracks to a baseball player and then go through the trouble of putting a clip through a filter to spread online. Seems counterproductive.

Which means the sources are different, and the online clip is probably a secondary source, and I can tell you that those generally don't care about watermarks.

If it went through a filter, it was to clean up the audio of a bad capture.

[0lorin]

Think of all the bootlegs of live show's that exist, audience recordings from 1987 etc. etc.
There isn't really many of them that suck as much as the quality of the IRS recording, and this is now the digital age where most people have decent equipment at their fingertips, so I find it hard to believe that someone holding a modern recorder up to a speaker in their own home would result in such a terrible recoding, no matter how cheap n nasty the equipment used was.

[pilferk]

Let me just say I buy the mic story.

I also think the reason it "muffles" at the end is...the person got? in front of, or moved slightly, the mic.

I THINK what the guy did was tape it on a regular cassette off the radio on the night of the show. Quality on taping a radio signal to cassette is already sorta crappy, and who knows what quality equipment or method he was using (could be direct tuner input, or it coulda been a crappy boombox sitting in front of the guys home stereo tuner...)

Then, to get this over to a "digital" file, the guy had SOMEONE? walk him through the simplest way to do it:? Wave recording (I think Wav studio) of a "playing" of the cassete via PC mic.? I also suspect the person used a "boom box" type thing to play the tape (more reduction in quality) with the PC mic set about 6 to 8 inches away, near the center of the speakers, with the volume CRANKED (more distortion).? When you get the muffling, I suspect the person either bumped the mic or somehow got in front of it (perhaps to get to the PC ) or was making continual adjustment of the placement of the mic.? Given what we have as "evidence" (and it's sketchy, at best), I don't think this person was overly technical, at all.

I may actually do some testing on this over the coming weekend to see what kind of results I get.....Just to see if the same sort of recording method (radio to tape, boombox to wav file via PC mic) gets similar results.

I just wish the guy had contacted ME!  There's ways to do what he did  that are just as easy and would yield much better quality results.  Ah well....

On the DAT tape thing, I know that stations that syndicate Eddie's show had, right after the broadcast, DATS of the show.? I also know they were "sequestered", and perhaps there was even a request to destroy them, by the managment of those stations at the direction of Trunk and his company (I assume at the request of GnR and their managment).? It certainly wouldn't surprise me if one of those tapes "got loose" at some point.

On the CD that Trunk had...well, his story about reciept of the CD/Piazza's story about the CD has always seemed fishy to me.? In addition, unless that leak was "plugged", it certainly seems logical that a copy of THAT CD would be leaked again, by the same source.? It certainly would be interesting to hear!