Gn'R to be at Ozzfest??

[WARose]

I find it amusing when people that are indifferent or pessimistic about GnR rumors that it's called "bashing them" and are blasted for it or banned from the board.

From past recent and distant history, all GnR rumors turn out to be false.

I know from experience and following the progress of this album for the last 6 years, and beleiving past rumors of it's imminent release, only to have them turn out false has really jaded me with regards to GnR.

And if memory serves me correct, I heard radio adds promoting the 2002 Philly show mention the imminent release of Chinese Democracy as a january 03 release. (Yes, i was at that the show that ended it all)

So as far as this rumor, along with download festival, as well an imminent relase of CD in 2006; I'll believe it when I see it.

What I want to know is why do all you people have such belief in them.  Gullible, gullible people.

yeah and since there was promotion, the philly show did sell out    


and well.....it?s not that pepe da rosa is "indifferent or pessimistic about GnR rumors", but that he`s continually posting unqualified bullshit...

or do you think a well promoted tour with a record/single to promote it would sell worse than a tour with almost no promotion and not even a greatest hits.....  and a tour where mainly old songs were played by new guys....

Hey, did you fly over from germany as 12yr old to see that show?

sure 

actually my philly comment wasn?t meant to be that serious......      but actually the show sold out. i don`t have to fly to philly to know that.............. 

it doesn?t matter if phiilly sold out or not at all..... but i thought it was a bad example to proove that even with promotion gnr sold bad.....   

[Christos AG]

I find it amusing when people that are indifferent or pessimistic about GnR rumors that it's called "bashing them" and are blasted for it or banned from the board.

From past recent and distant history, all GnR rumors turn out to be false.

I know from experience and following the progress of this album for the last 6 years, and beleiving past rumors of it's imminent release, only to have them turn out false has really jaded me with regards to GnR.

And if memory serves me correct, I heard radio adds promoting the 2002 Philly show mention the imminent release of Chinese Democracy as a january 03 release. (Yes, i was at that the show that ended it all)

So as far as this rumor, along with download festival, as well an imminent relase of CD in 2006; I'll believe it when I see it.

What I want to know is why do all you people have such belief in them.  Gullible, gullible people.

yeah and since there was promotion, the philly show did sell out    


and well.....it?s not that pepe da rosa is "indifferent or pessimistic about GnR rumors", but that he`s continually posting unqualified bullshit...

or do you think a well promoted tour with a record/single to promote it would sell worse than a tour with almost no promotion and not even a greatest hits.....  and a tour where mainly old songs were played by new guys....

2 out of 20 shows sold out that happen to be in the highest populated areas in the US

and there were alot of empty seats and flying seats at the Philly show

1st of all, being pessimistic is not a problem for me, you can be as pessimistic as you want. Jarmo for instant is the most pessimistic person I've seen in this forum.

Unfortunately there are people who always talk about how CD will be a failure and the new GNR will break up. Now that is at least boring if you read the same comments by the same people in every possible thread.

Noone has been banned for having different opinions (we're talking about logical people here) or for being pessimistic.

2nd, do you honestly believe that if the band releases an album and will be heavily promoted by their record company, will not be able to  fill up an arena?

2002 was a disaster cause there was no album and no promotion.

3rd. The reason I still believe in this band is.... cause I'm an optimist... 

[jarmo]

1st of all, being pessimistic is not a problem for me, you can be as pessimistic as you want. Jarmo for instant is the most pessimistic person I've seen in this forum.

I don't think you're right about that.


Ozzfest? I don't think so..... Unless they'd just do only a few shows like VR.


/jarmo

[Origen]

1st of all, being pessimistic is not a problem for me, you can be as pessimistic as you want. Jarmo for instant is the most pessimistic person I've seen in this forum.

People arn't pessimistic they are realistic 

[AxlGunner]

I find it amusing when people that are indifferent or pessimistic about GnR rumors that it's called "bashing them" and are blasted for it or banned from the board.

From past recent and distant history, all GnR rumors turn out to be false.

I know from experience and following the progress of this album for the last 6 years, and beleiving past rumors of it's imminent release, only to have them turn out false has really jaded me with regards to GnR.

And if memory serves me correct, I heard radio adds promoting the 2002 Philly show mention the imminent release of Chinese Democracy as a january 03 release. (Yes, i was at that the show that ended it all)

So as far as this rumor, along with download festival, as well an imminent relase of CD in 2006; I'll believe it when I see it.

What I want to know is why do all you people have such belief in them.? Gullible, gullible people.

yeah and since there was promotion, the philly show did sell out ? ?


and well.....it?s not that pepe da rosa is "indifferent or pessimistic about GnR rumors", but that he`s continually posting unqualified bullshit...

or do you think a well promoted tour with a record/single to promote it would sell worse than a tour with almost no promotion and not even a greatest hits.....? and a tour where mainly old songs were played by new guys....

Hey, did you fly over from germany as 12yr old to see that show?

sure?

actually my philly comment wasn?t meant to be that serious......? ? ? but actually the show sold out. i don`t have to fly to philly to know that..............?

it doesn?t matter if phiilly sold out or not at all..... but i thought it was a bad example to proove that even with promotion gnr sold bad.....? ?

no philly didn't sell out. the day of the show they were promoting half-off tickets for the second philly show if you bought tickets to the first show... or something like that... either way they were still trying to get people to buy tickets to the shows, and somewhat desperate i might add...

most of the shows filled up about 6000-8000 seats, which is ok until you consider they were playing in 20,000 seat arenas... although msg was sold out and it was pretty damn incredible...

[the dirt]

although msg was sold out and it was pretty damn incredible...

I'd probably be able to sell out MSG.

[WARose]

I find it amusing when people that are indifferent or pessimistic about GnR rumors that it's called "bashing them" and are blasted for it or banned from the board.

From past recent and distant history, all GnR rumors turn out to be false.

I know from experience and following the progress of this album for the last 6 years, and beleiving past rumors of it's imminent release, only to have them turn out false has really jaded me with regards to GnR.

And if memory serves me correct, I heard radio adds promoting the 2002 Philly show mention the imminent release of Chinese Democracy as a january 03 release. (Yes, i was at that the show that ended it all)

So as far as this rumor, along with download festival, as well an imminent relase of CD in 2006; I'll believe it when I see it.

What I want to know is why do all you people have such belief in them.  Gullible, gullible people.

yeah and since there was promotion, the philly show did sell out    


and well.....it?s not that pepe da rosa is "indifferent or pessimistic about GnR rumors", but that he`s continually posting unqualified bullshit...

or do you think a well promoted tour with a record/single to promote it would sell worse than a tour with almost no promotion and not even a greatest hits.....  and a tour where mainly old songs were played by new guys....

Hey, did you fly over from germany as 12yr old to see that show?

sure 

actually my philly comment wasn?t meant to be that serious......      but actually the show sold out. i don`t have to fly to philly to know that.............. 

it doesn?t matter if phiilly sold out or not at all..... but i thought it was a bad example to proove that even with promotion gnr sold bad.....   

no philly didn't sell out. the day of the show they were promoting half-off tickets for the second philly show if you bought tickets to the first show... or something like that... either way they were still trying to get people to buy tickets to the shows, and somewhat desperate i might add...

most of the shows filled up about 6000-8000 seats, which is ok until you consider they were playing in 20,000 seat arenas... although msg was sold out and it was pretty damn incredible...

i thought it was the second show that didn?t sell out?

and well      i know that the tour was suffering bad sales,  but bringing up philly as an example just striked me

[jameslofton29]

You are right. They will promote an album.
Then the result will be even worse than in 2002.

What a dumb and completely baseless statement. You say that like it's a fact. Have you traveled into the future to enlighten us with this fact?If not, then keep the 'fact' to yourself. Its obvious you made the remark just to draw attention to yourself. You're now on my ignore list.

[WARose]

You are right. They will promote an album.
Then the result will be even worse than in 2002.

What a dumb and completely baseless statement. You say that like it's a fact. Have you traveled into the future to enlighten us with this fact?If not, then keep the 'fact' to yourself. Its obvious you made the remark just to draw attention to yourself. You're now on my ignore list.

i like it when there`re people who bring it to the point

[ppbebe]

I'm indifferent to the rumours in the most of the case and I can't care less about a reunion. I'm a gnr fan of today.

I'm sure you want him to make a re-union, and most of GN'R fans do, but that's clearly not what he's after.

I'm Glad to be a minority (of one?). 

Few bands have massive fans before releasing their debut albums. I guess GNR had just a handful of appreciators back in 1985/6. Time didn't stop there. It wouldn't be the same band even if it reunited.

But even if Axl ever disappointed me by abandoning the project, my dream band, to reunite with the old guys, If it happened,  I wouldn't nag the board about the alumni band. NOr would I bash Axl for not doing what I want him to do.
I wouldn't be that UGLY.

Naysayers, Why don't you find another band that satisfies you?
Or better yet, form your ideal band yourself.
There's a saying "if you want the best, do it your self".

[WARose]

I'm Glad to be a minority (of one?).  Cheesy

you?re not alone   you ought to know that better

[ppbebe]

I know WARose.  There're many fans like us. Still some ppl say otherwise. I don't know.
In fact I haven't ever seen a single GNR board dedicated to the old band.

This band should be known!  The songs should be heard! 

[jameslofton29]

I can't care less about a reunion. I'm a gnr fan of today.

I feel the same. I'm not interested in rehash. We've been listening to the old stuff since 1987, and I have no interest in seeing it brought back from the dead. Sure, maybe one show or two might be cool. I'm interested in hearing what Axl was able to do after the disintegration of the old band, and to truly hear how the band has 'evolved'. I'm shocked everytime I hear someone say that want a reunion more than they want CD. Why?? What is hearing Jungle again going to accomplish? Even if the old band got together again, the magic is gone. People dont seem to realize it can never be 1987 or 1991 again. People seem to forget how the band was sliding towards irrelevancy in late 92/early 93. The fire was gone The band was literally hanging by a thread. Instead of creating something spectacular to counteract the grunge movement, the world was treated to an irrelevant cover album that literally put the final nail in the coffin of the old bands relevancy. People want that rehashed? Sorry, I'm not interested. Let the old band be remembered for how great it was during the few years they were on top of the world.

[younggunner]

i think the perfect gnr scenario for me would be this:

Axl releases Chinese Democracy
New Gnr Tour on that album for a yr
Release a follow up to that album
and tour on that album

so lets say thats a 4 yr process....

then at a later time OLD gnr reunite and tour

that for would be the best gnr scenario

[Voodoochild]

I know WARose.  There're many fans like us.

You know you can include me!

This band should be known!  The songs should be heard! 

Amen to that!

[sandman]

i was at the philly show (which was a friday night). it was a complete sell out in advance of the show.

the second show - two nights later on sunday night - was not selling well at all. so they were offering tickets at ridiculously low prices, if you already bought tix to the first show.

also, album/promotion/single does not guarantee anything. and it certainly doesn't guarantee sell-outs at 20K seat venues.

and it only helps IF the album/single are well received by the public. 

[Continental Drift]

alright... but given a choice between NOTHING (which is pretty much what we've gotten from Axl and the new GN'R) or a reunion... which would you guys choose?

Personally, I just want to see Guns N' Roses blow up on the world again and get the credit they deserve before they hit freakin' 50 (younggunner, you do realize that according to your plan, Axl would be 48 pushing 49 by the time he gets around to taking the stage with the old band?)... and I've come to feel (in just the last few days) IMHO that they have a he11 of a better chance of doing that via reunion ?than they do with the new band.

[erose]

I can't see GnR touring in a festival like that. either old band or new. Not gonna happen. When GnR goes on tour it'll be to promote C.D. with them headlining solo and a couple no name bands to open. Just like in 2002, but we;ll see more promotion than we did in 2002.

That is why the 2002 tour failed, all rock bands that tour nowadays now they need a good co head lining band to tour with or they wont fill the arenas

what the fuck, if your big enough you don't jack shit as warmup... where do get that from?

[Christos AG]

1st of all, being pessimistic is not a problem for me, you can be as pessimistic as you want. Jarmo for instant is the most pessimistic person I've seen in this forum.

I don't think you're right about that.

/jarmo

Oh yes I am... 

I'm just glad you don't show it that much... 

[erose]

1st of all, being pessimistic is not a problem for me, you can be as pessimistic as you want. Jarmo for instant is the most pessimistic person I've seen in this forum.

I don't think you're right about that.

/jarmo

Oh yes I am...?

I'm just glad you don't show it that much...?

they day i see Jarmo excited i'll be smashing and burning cars and make a huge piece which says Chinece Democrasy starts now!!!