Racial pride and prejudism

[Sakib]

I don't want this to be a political thread for starters.

I can't and i really mean it, I just can't stand it when people say that they're proud of "their" race or "their" country and they hate so and so country.

To be honest i think it's all pathetic. I ain't proud of being british and i aint proud of being Pakistani origin as i see it;s nothing to be proud of. Whoever the government is wouldn't bother me so rulings doesn;t play a part in it. I just generally don't see why people say such things or feel such things. I see it as we're all human and this is my planet as well as everyone else's so thus i don;t understand nationalism (not too political).

Anyone care to explain or points of view?

[Walk]

You lack the ideals of your ancestors, which happens to a lot of people living in the modern world. Interestingly, the liberal media holds people to a double standard. Those from strong, successful cultures are criticized for what their ancestors did in the past, but they are shunned for expressing pride in their ancestor's accomplishments. In a truely neutral worldview, one would judge neither accomplishments nor shames. We don't have that.

Nationalism accepts different cultures as organic entities with holistic ideals. This goes against the current order of globalism, pseudocapitalism, multiculturalism, and egalitarianism. It's easier to sell products, ideologies, and lies to people without a strong cultural background.

We have been stuck in this mess ever since WWII ended, and it has only gotten worse since the fall of the USSR. We need China to become a stronger rival.

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[Axls Locomotive]

I don't want this to be a political thread for starters.

I can't and i really mean it, I just can't stand it when people say that they're proud of "their" race or "their" country and they hate so and so country.

To be honest i think it's all pathetic. I ain't proud of being british and i aint proud of being Pakistani origin as i see it;s nothing to be proud of. Whoever the government is wouldn't bother me so rulings doesn;t play a part in it. I just generally don't see why people say such things or feel such things. I see it as we're all human and this is my planet as well as everyone else's so thus i don;t understand nationalism (not too political).

Anyone care to explain or points of view?

so who would you stand up for if some other country attacked britain? sit on the fence?

and this is not one big happy world you know...your statements are commendable but naive

and just imagine if there were no individual cultures in this world...if we all bought the same products and taught the same way...and if all the people wore the same clothes...what a poorer place this world would be...thats what globalism is doing to the world, it will lead us all into monotony...its the pop world but on a bigger scale...

not all nationalism is the bad nationalism that derogates other countries or races...its not as if people really care what happens in a country thousands of miles away, they care what happens around them...

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Sakib, there's nationalism and then there's jingoism.   Guess which one causes threads to get locked in the Jungle 

Since you have roots & association with 2 very different places/cultures, you can see things globally. I would say that is an advantage for you.  But sometimes it is convenient and even useful to filter the world down to one way of thinking or one single ideal in order to get a job done. 

i.e. Democracy vs. Fascism during WW2.  A dose of healthy nationalism got the job done, and then we made up with the enemy via the Marshall Plan, etc, etc.

A couple of weeks ago, I read about India's space program and how we (I mean the US) are planning to send some of our instruments on board their ships.  Well, I think these global ventures are a good thing, but the nationalistic side of me proudly supports our own homegrown American private enterprise expeditions into space.  I want that to succeed, I want to be proud of American entrepreneurship succeeding over bulky government organizations, global or not.

[Danny Top Hat]

I'm not locking this thread.  It's not political as far as i'm concerned, so there's nothing wrong with it.

I also see nothing wrong with national pride, but I do agree with Skib's fundemental point that we're all living on the same planet and that we shouldn't let imaginary boarders change the way we view others.  I can't wait till after uni when I can travel around and get to view other cultures and meet people from around the world.  I imagine there will be many friendly people and many rude people - just like back home.

[Sakib]

If France went to war on Britain, it depends why they're going to war. If they're going to do turn is all into slaves and makes us have poor living conditions (doubt they'd do that but this is purely an example) then sure i'd fight for Britain. If it's just for power but i don't see anything wrong with the laws they set upon britain then yeh i'd sit on the fence.

EDIT; I don't mind different cultures i do mind the "Indians have better culture then Pakistanis" or "Pakistani culture is more enjoyable than the Arabs"- (i've heard that one, trust me) unless the culture involves something insane such as mass murder.

[Mal Brossard]

To me, stuff like all that "proud to be American" crap is pointless.  Why be proud of something you have no control over?  It's good to be proud of an accomplishment of yours, like pride in being a great guitar player after years of work, or proud of your cooking abilities.  Cultural pride to me is meaningless.  Enjoying and following traditions of your culture is a good thing-- don't get me wrong on that.  However, saying you're proud to be American, British, French, Azerbaijanian, etc. is pointless.  Does anyone go around saying "Woo hoo!!!  yeah!!  Blue-eyed pride!!"  or go marching around talking about how they're proud to have brown hair?  Not that I've seen.  Ethnic and national pride, no matter what the race or ethnicity, is stupid.

Flame away.

[Danny Top Hat]

Man, the American's go so far overboard with national pride that they can't even see the boat anymore.  I feel embarassed for you guys whenever I see that damn flag on TV.  *shudder*


As for sitting on the fence when the French invade - fuck that!  I really, really don't want go to war (trust me, i'm not the kinda guy that would live to tell the tale).  Still, given what our grandparents went through to keep the Germans out in WW2 I would feel ashamed to sit back and let our country get taken over.

[Axls Locomotive]

"proud to be an american crap"

arent your accomplishments part of what makes up your country?

numerous generations of my family lived in my country, and they were a part of building this country, a part of its history, a part of its culture...i dont really understand your attitude...this attitude feeds standardisation and globalisation and not enough individuality imo

Man, the American's go so far overboard with national pride that they can't even see the boat anymore.  I feel embarassed for you guys whenever I see that damn flag on TV.  *shudder*

yes, but thats not just nationalistic pride, there are other factors involved like governments using nationalism to their advantage...you can choose to be critical and a nationalist...thats the problem, the nationalism is far too intermingled with government policies

[estranged.1098]

and just imagine if there were no individual cultures in this world...if we all bought the same products and taught the same way...and if all the people wore the same clothes...what a poorer place this world would be...thats what globalism is doing to the world, it will lead us all into monotony...its the pop world but on a bigger scale...

I don't see how that relates to nationalism. The USA is one country, and do all people buy the same products there? Or wear the same clothes?

I also disagree that globalism leads the world to monotony, in fact it increases diversity.

[Surfrider]

"proud to be an american crap"

arent your accomplishments part of what makes up your country?

numerous generations of my family lived in my country, and they were a part of building this country, a part of its history, a part of its culture...i dont really understand your attitude...this attitude feeds standardisation and globalisation and not enough individuality imo

Man, the American's go so far overboard with national pride that they can't even see the boat anymore.? I feel embarassed for you guys whenever I see that damn flag on TV.? *shudder*

yes, but thats not just nationalistic pride, there are other factors involved like governments using nationalism to their advantage...you can choose to be critical and a nationalist...thats the problem, the nationalism is far too intermingled with government policies

I agree with this post 100%.? To say that pride for one's country is the same as pride for one's eye color is just ridiculous.? There are certain ideals - which whether we always hold up to them is debateable - that have historically set this country apart or have defined this country.? In general, people are expressing their pride in being part of these ideals.? Each country has its own history and ideals, just like the United States.? If you are from England is it stupid to root for England inthe world cup?  How is having pride in one's city, neighborhood or home any different.  Each country has had a history of trials and tribulations that help define it and make it unique from others.?

For some reason there is this mentality that if people have a strong sense of nationalism it means that they hate all other countries or don't recognize what is good about other countries.  Having pride in one's country and recongizing the positives of other countries are not mutually exclusive positions.
Having pride in one's country and reconizing the merit of other countries' culture and history are not mutually exclusive.?

[axlrosegnr]

This may not have anything to do with your post, and probably is going to sound somewhat racist....but I really wish more mexicans were proud to be mexican, and actually wanna stay in mexico. (i know, immigration is a whole other subject, something i feel very strongly about, so I won't even start to get into it here.

[alexh0618]

Something that pisses me off is when black people say they are proud to be black, it is alrirght, but when white people say they are proud to be white, they are made out to be racist.

[Sin Cut]

I'm damn proud to be finnish, it's what my grandparents fought for. And died for.

I'd hapily take up the arms and join the front if anyone thought invading.

It's propably a lost fight anyone, but that was what it should be the last time.

Put more mines on our borders.

I don't agree that much to Sakib views, I think history or nationality shouldn't be forgotten, there's been mistakes, sure and maybe there's something to be learned from that. But it also the "base" of what someone will be. For an example I'd live an completely different life would be raised in some Arab country, or States or United Kingdom.

Sakib.. you don't really want to go calling me pathetic, do you? 

[SLCPUNK]

I also disagree that globalism leads the world to monotony, in fact it increases diversity.

How so?

Something that pisses me off is when black people say they are proud to be black, it is alrirght, but when white people say they are proud to be white, they are made out to be racist.

That is because most of the people who say it are racist.......

This may not have anything to do with your post, and probably is going to sound somewhat racist....but I really wish more mexicans were proud to be mexican, and actually wanna stay in mexico.

They are proud to be Mexican. But not proud living on two dollars a day, that is all.

[BLS-Pride]

I am proud to be an American. I'll fly my flag where ever and how ever I want .There is nothing wrong with flying the flag or being patriotic. I have a cross with an American flag on one leg and then an Italian flag tattooed on my forarm.

How could you not take pride in who you are and where you came from and who your ansesters(sp?) were.

[kockstar999]

yeah.. what BLS said... anyways Americans do it better anyways......

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

I am proud to be an American. I'll fly my flag where ever and how ever I want .There is nothing wrong with flying the flag or being patriotic. I have a cross with an American flag on one leg and then an Italian flag tattooed on my forarm.

How could you not take pride in who you are and where you came from and who your ansesters(sp?) were.

the fact that you are american is just one big randomness coincidence. do you know that ?


anywa, i agree with Sakib and Duffman23235.

what's interesting also, is that the most patriotic countries in the world would be
 - the united states of america : a young country with NO history.
 - islamic / extremist / identity? troubled countries like : israel, palestine, iran ...

i mean, french don't give a fuck about their countries, and that's fun, i mean, we love our wine and cheese that's it

BerkeleyRiot points out that in some ways people are part of their country' achievement.
yeah. theorically. but when you get down to it, the more the person does, the less they are tied to their country.

take a random fat ass at wall mart with his redneck truck : helluva patriot
take some great american scientist : it's all about hard work and studies, fuck usa he'd say
take some great sport player : it's about god, his team, his training ... and then his country.

the more you do, the further you are from the global environment : your country.

you think people at l'oreal give a fuck about france. they don't.

nation pride will a big issue : world globalization of economy, globalization of terror and political issue, everything is global ...

i mean, if you study 4 years in the us, then do an internship in japan, then work for a french company, then marry a brazilian woman, are you really from country X anymore ?

proud of your country ? really ? how far ? do you like everything your country does ? or do you just like what fits your ideas ?

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

I am proud to be an American. I'll fly my flag where ever and how ever I want .There is nothing wrong with flying the flag or being patriotic. I have a cross with an American flag on one leg and then an Italian flag tattooed on my forarm.

How could you not take pride in who you are and where you came from and who your ansesters(sp?) were.

1st your ancesters are certainly not from the us of a.
second, the fact that you can't spell some of your language words makes it all funny

[kockstar999]

i mean, if you study 4 years in the us, then do an internship in japan, then work for a french company, then marry a brazilian woman, are you really from country X anymore ?
proud of your country ? really ? how far ? do you like everything your country does ? or do you just like what fits your ideas ?

thats somewhat true. Im american, lived in japan for 5 years, philippines for 2 years, married to a filipina and i feel different than most americans when it comes to most shit... we do things the best thats only coz we have the best from all countries.