George Fox a.k.a. Client #9 a.k.a. Governor Eliot Spitzer (D, NY)

[fuckin crazy]

Jim Cramer In Tears Over Spitzer

He is client #8

[pilferk]

it is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be, thats not what i'm saying..    by your logic with prostitution, it should be illegal to even have a drink in the privacy of your own house. 

by my logic, you can hire a prostitute and take her behind closed doors and not hurt a damn thing.     if you have her blow you in the car in a public place, that should be against the law.

and props to the girl, selling that pussy for a few K an hour, she has my respect.

While I actually don't disagree with lots of your reasoning on prostitution being legal, I DO have to say your interpretation of GS's correlation is "off".

Think of it this way:

Drinking is legal like sex is legal.

DUI is illegal like prostitution is illegal.

The drinking, and the sex, both have correlary BEHAVIORS that CAN be illegal...they're not illegal in and of themselves.

GS's logic actually holds up pretty well.

[pilferk]

well.. if she charges $1000 an hour..

I'd pay $50 for 5 minutes with her 

$1000 an hour would be $83ish for 5 minutes. What was her rate, $4000 something I think? That's just crazy. That dude was really desperate. I feel really bad for his wife.

Initially, I said NO pussy is work 5k an hour.

Now, I can categorically say THAT pussy is DEFINITELY not worth 5k an hour...at least based on looks.  Hell, even if she's a master of the kama sutra....5k?  No way.

[Jim Bob]

While I actually don't disagree with lots of your reasoning on prostitution being legal, I DO have to say your interpretation of GS's correlation is "off".

Think of it this way:

Drinking is legal like sex is legal.

DUI is illegal like prostitution is illegal.

The drinking, and the sex, both have correlary BEHAVIORS that CAN be illegal...they're not illegal in and of themselves.

GS's logic actually holds up pretty well.

I look at it differently.     

Drinking can destroy families, cheating can destroy families.    as long as it wasn't forced, does it really make that big a difference how you got that sex?

you can buy alcohol, why can't you buy sex?

Its hard for me to look at this from the perspective of a woman, but if I was, I would think I'd rather hear my spouse was using a prostitute than having a love affair.    Some guys have weird fantasies/fetishes and if their wives don't act them out... they find someone who will.

My opinion on prostitution is, you aren't paying the girl for sex, you are paying for her to leave afterwards.   

but in all seriousness, prostitution is legal here, and there is a legal brothel a mere 45 miles from my house.   If the rest of the country took note on how to do it correctly, it could be regulated much the same way things like alcohol and cigarettes are regulated.

[pilferk]

I look at it differently.     

Drinking can destroy families, cheating can destroy families.    as long as it wasn't forced, does it really make that big a difference how you got that sex?

you can buy alcohol, why can't you buy sex?

Its hard for me to look at this from the perspective of a woman, but if I was, I would think I'd rather hear my spouse was using a prostitute than having a love affair.    Some guys have weird fantasies/fetishes and if their wives don't act them out... they find someone who will.

My opinion on prostitution is, you aren't paying the girl for sex, you are paying for her to leave afterwards.   

but in all seriousness, prostitution is legal here, and there is a legal brothel a mere 45 miles from my house.   If the rest of the country took note on how to do it correctly, it could be regulated much the same way things like alcohol and cigarettes are regulated.

You might want to look at it differently, but it doesn't change the fact that GS's analogy still holds up to logical scrutiny and doesn't, remotely, imply the conclusion you're trying to force him into.

Also, to point out:
Alcohol is a commodity/product.
Sex is an act.

And you can buy a gun...why can't you buy a hit?


That's why the comparison of DRINKING (an act) and SEX (an act) is more apt.


You also can't change the "rules" of his analogy because YOU want to apply different perspective.  Either his analogy makes logical sense or it doesn't. 

And, disagree all you want, but it DOES make sense.

As for the rest...again, I don't entirely disagree.  It's not an issue I feel real strongly about, but I conceed that both sides of the argument have some good points...so I'll let you and GS duke it out.

I just wanted to point out that HIS analogy DOES hold water...whether you agree with it, or not.

[GeorgeSteele]

Thanks, Pilferk, I'm glad someone can follow my reasoning, though in fairness to JB, I admit I often take a few trips to H, Q and Z when I'm trying to get from from A to B. 

One last question for you JimBob and I'm done - If prostitution is as harmless as you make it out to be (even admirable to you), why do you think "99.5% of all parents" wouldn't want their daughter to be a prostitute? 

[Axl4Prez2004]

Jim Cramer In Tears Over Spitzer

He is client #8

Wouldn't it be worse being Client #10?  Sloppy 2nds are bad enough...sloppy 10ths?   

[Jim Bob]

One last question for you JimBob and I'm done - If prostitution is as harmless as you make it out to be (even admirable to you), why do you think "99.5% of all parents" wouldn't want their daughter to be a prostitute? 

ok, first I don't normally consider it 'admirable', but I do applaud someone who can make $5,000 per hour.   The average escort in Vegas is making about 200/hr, the high-end ones maybe 500 or a lil bit more.     I don't think they are admirable for what they do, but I don't think they are necessarily bad people.   No parent wants to think of their child as someone who sells their pussy, they don't want to think of their child as doing anything sexual for that matter.    In the end, it comes down to a woman's choice to do with her body as she wants.. the thought of it being my daughter makes me cringe.  Why?  Parents have bigger dreams for their children, and sure there are risks and potential harm under certian circumstances, but you get that with anything.

[GeorgeSteele]

Reaching Out, Paterson Offers Different Tone
 
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE

With sorrow, seriousness and a dollop of humor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson opened his first full day as governor-in-waiting Thursday, pledging his continued commitment to Gov. Eliot Spitzer?s agenda but breaking markedly with the governor?s style.

In a flurry of meetings with legislative leaders, news conferences and briefings, Mr. Paterson began quickly laying the groundwork for when he is formally sworn in as governor on Monday.

At a news conference in Albany, he said he would try to govern through consensus and declined to rule out an income tax increase, and then took questions from an overflow crowd of reporters.

And when asked whether he, like Mr. Spitzer, had ever patronized a prostitute, Mr. Paterson could not suppress his trademark dagger wit.

He paused, gave a sly smile, and answered, ?Only the lobbyists.?

The tone Mr. Paterson set in his appearances was the most marked shift from Mr. Spitzer, who favored stern and high-flying oratory over self-deprecating humor.

?I kind of feel like the student who?s getting ready for the final exam but they didn?t attend any classes,? Mr. Paterson conceded Thursday morning in an interview broadcast from the Capitol on radio station WGDJ.

In his remarks to reporters, Mr. Paterson signaled that he would remain committed to most of Mr. Spitzer?s priorities, including the broad outlines of the governor?s budget plan, a push for more restrictions on campaign donations, and a $1 billion public investment fund to invigorate the upstate economy.

?I promised the governor yesterday that I would commit myself to the people of this great state, that we would have stability and continuity in those challenges that lie ahead,? said Mr. Paterson, a Democrat, at the news conference.

Unlike Mr. Spitzer, Mr. Paterson, who has favored tax increases on the wealthy in the past, did not rule out raising taxes to balance the budget for the next fiscal year, which begins April 1. The Assembly is pushing for a measure that would increase taxes on those earning more than $1 million to 7.7 percent from 6.85 percent.

Briefly addressing Mr. Spitzer?s future, Mr. Paterson, 53, said he considers the governor a close friend, adding, ?In my heart I feel he has suffered enough.? He acknowledged that some people might feel that prosecutors should pursue criminal charges against Mr. Spitzer.

?That is why we have dispassionate law enforcement that looks into these situations,? he said. ?We should leave it in their hands, and support them, which I do.?

In ways large and small, Mr. Spitzer?s presence at the Capitol had already begun to fade. His belongings were being packed into boxes and his office desk cleared of the family photos that once adorned it.

Christine Anderson, a spokeswoman for the governor?s office, said the staff of the executive chamber had already started to take bills to Mr. Paterson that had been awaiting Mr. Spitzer?s signature.

Mr. Paterson kept up a hectic pace of meetings with his future partners in government, including Joseph L. Bruno, the Senate majority leader, and Sheldon Silver, the Assembly speaker. Mr. Paterson consulted with the state comptroller, Thomas P. DiNapoli, on Wednesday. Mr. DiNapoli has said his office is auditing Mr. Spitzer?s travel records to determine whether he spent state money in arranging or traveling to his liaisons with prostitutes.

It was his wish to give himself time to become acclimated, Mr. Paterson said, that led him to ask Mr. Spitzer to hold off formally resigning until Monday.

?I wanted to spend today not being sworn in, or speaking, or in any way celebrating,? he said. ?I wanted to come in here, meet with the legislative leaders, get back to work on some of those points where I need to be updated on where the budget process is now ? do that for a few days.?

On Thursday morning, Mr. Paterson met with Mr. Spitzer?s staff members, in part to assure aides that the transition between administrations would be smooth and that there would be no wholesale housecleaning of the executive chamber.

Mr. Paterson also spoke with Mr. Spitzer on Thursday, Ms. Anderson said, and is likely to do so often as the transition progresses. Mr. Spitzer will have no formal role in Mr. Paterson?s administration, however, and is not expected to exercise his powers as governor or appear in Albany, she said.

Mr. Paterson acknowledged in his radio appearance Thursday morning that as lieutenant governor, he had not been closely involved in formulating Mr. Spitzer?s budget plan. Later in the day, he said he planned to meet all weekend with agency heads and budget officials to prepare better for the budget negotiations.

The Assembly and the Senate are already moving ahead with their own budget deliberations, and hope to have a final spending plan approved by March 31. Assemblyman Herman D. Farrell Jr., the Manhattan Democrat who heads the Assembly Budget Committee, said the Senate and the Assembly just passed their modifications to the governor?s budget plan. Meetings to iron out a compromise are to begin on Monday.

As he turns his attention to the budget, aides said the incoming governor would retain key members of Mr. Spitzer?s staff, including the budget director, Laura L. Anglin, and Paul Francis, the director of operations.

The two had been working together to control state spending and find new sources of revenue in the face of a projected $4.4 billion budget gap.

Several other Spitzer aides seem likely to stay, at least for now. They include Sean Patrick Maloney, the first deputy secretary to the governor; Bruce Gyory, a senior adviser; and Mr. Spitzer?s press team, headed by Ms. Anderson.

Speaking with reporters, Ms. Anderson said there would be relatively few resignations.

But members of Mr. Spitzer?s tight-knit inner circle are likely to depart when the governor does. Richard Baum, Mr. Spitzer?s top aide and gatekeeper, has already submitted his resignation. He will be replaced by Mr. Paterson?s chief of staff, Charles J. O?Byrne, who met Thursday with members of Mr. Spitzer?s executive staff.

Lloyd Constantine, Mr. Spitzer?s close friend, mentor, and adviser, has already submitted a letter of resignation, although he will continue to assist the transition.

Some of those likely to depart are aides Mr. Spitzer brought with him from the attorney general?s office whom some legislators blamed for Mr. Spitzer?s combative approach to governing in his early months in office.

Changes in staff are not the only ones Mr. Paterson is likely to make. He did not make a commitment to voluntary limits on his own campaign fund-raising, as Mr. Spitzer did when he became governor. Asked whether he would support Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg?s proposal for congestion pricing to regulate traffic in Manhattan, Mr. Paterson said only that he would take a look at it.

But in some areas, Mr. Paterson seemed more inclined to revise Mr. Spitzer?s rhetoric rather than his policies. Speaking of campaign finance reform, Mr. Paterson did not, as the governor did, pledge to visit the districts of uncooperative lawmakers and publicly lambaste them. Instead, he spoke of trying to reach a consensus with the Senate and Assembly on lowering campaign limits.

?We want to not dictate campaign finance,? Mr. Paterson said. ?We want to really persuade legislators that it really is the root of a lot of the dysfunction we have in Albany.?

[fuckin crazy]

I heard on the radio today that Michael Jordan is client #10, and that his attorneys aren't expecting him to be charged.

[GNRfan2008]

I heard on the radio today that Michael Jordan is client #10, and that his attorneys aren't expecting him to be charged.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/840198,CST-NWS-SNEED13.article

So he's not client 10 and isn't a target of the investigation.

[fuckin crazy]

I heard on the radio today that Michael Jordan is client #10, and that his attorneys aren't expecting him to be charged.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/840198,CST-NWS-SNEED13.article

So he's not client 10 and isn't a target of the investigation.

His attorney conveniently dodged the question whether, or not, he was part of Emperor's clientele. He could be an unindicted co-conspirator.

[cineater]

Ahhhhhhhhhh!  Get this bitch's pictures out of my face.  She's posing like a preschooler who's pooped in her pants!

 

[The Dog]

Spitz's girl just became a millionaire.  she put her song on an itunes like site and its already been bought ove a million times.  i bet shes in negotiation with playboy or penthouse for a spread - that should net her a few hundred thousand at least.  my guess is she'll get a record deal out of this as well and they'll squirt out an album as fast as they can to cash in.

only in america 

[Dr. Blutarsky]

She's coming out as the big winner. It's her 15 minutes of fame.......

[SLCPUNK]

Beats sucking off old men, more power to her.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Beats sucking off old men, more power to her.

interesting phrasing slc...it also sucks beating off old men.   

[Lisa]

Beats sucking off old men, more power to her.

interesting phrasing slc...it also sucks beating off old men.   

shit..for 5k an hour, I'd do both

[*Timothy*]

Beats sucking off old men, more power to her.

interesting phrasing slc...it also sucks beating off old men.   

shit..for 5k an hour, I'd do both

As would I..

[Axl4Prez2004]

Beats sucking off old men, more power to her.

interesting phrasing slc...it also sucks beating off old men.   

shit..for 5k an hour, I'd do both

Hi, I know this will sound crazy, but my real name is Elliott and I'm from NY...are you busy this weekend?