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« Reply #140 on: January 09, 2009, 12:40:02 AM »

celtics vs. cavs today, man that's a good game!! hope the cavs will win that one don't like the celtics at all I'm a Lakers fan!!
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« Reply #141 on: January 09, 2009, 12:45:16 AM »

celtics vs. cavs today, man that's a good game!! hope the cavs will win that one don't like the celtics at all I'm a Lakers fan!!

right on man. im looking forward to that game as well.  i hope the Cavs demolish the celtics by more than 15+ points and send Paul Pierce crying back to Boston
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« Reply #142 on: January 09, 2009, 04:10:38 AM »

celtics vs. cavs today, man that's a good game!! hope the cavs will win that one don't like the celtics at all I'm a Lakers fan!!

right on man. im looking forward to that game as well.  i hope the Cavs demolish the celtics by more than 15+ points and send Paul Pierce crying back to Boston

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« Reply #143 on: January 09, 2009, 04:24:31 AM »

celtics vs. cavs today, man that's a good game!! hope the cavs will win that one don't like the celtics at all I'm a Lakers fan!!

right on man. im looking forward to that game as well.  i hope the Cavs demolish the celtics by more than 15+ points and send Paul Pierce crying back to Boston

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yeah after lebron pinches his legs with his crab dribble  hihi
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« Reply #144 on: January 09, 2009, 11:05:57 AM »

Allen Iverson is doing what few thought was possible: He's taking a backseat in Detroit.

All you need to know about the essential and elusive nature of chemistry can be found in this clip of Paul McCartney and Jay-Z performing together at the 2006 Grammy Awards.

The performance starts off with Jay-Z and Linkin Park doing a mashup of their respective songs "Encore" and "Numb." That works pretty well. Then the music shifts to the Beatles classic "Yesterday," and when McCartney steps on stage at the 2:42 mark, everything gets as awkward as a blind date. Jay-Z seems like he desperately wants to impress McCartney. (He even wore a John Lennon T-shirt for the occasion.) But the rapper doesn't have the singing voice to lay down some harmony, so all he can do is say things like "Uh-huh, uh-huh" and "Yes, yes." Then he conducts an imaginary orchestra. McCartney spends most of his time ignoring him, but does shoot an occasional glance, trying to figure out what to make of Jay-Z while taking great pains not to offend him. Pairing icons of rap and rock seemed like a good idea at first. It failed because the chemistry didn't work.

The Detroit Pistons became the NBA's greatest chemistry experiment when they traded Chauncey Billups to Denver for Allen Iverson in November. General manager Joe Dumars wanted to get with the trend of clearing salary cap space for the free-agent bonanza of 2010, only he couldn't sell a Knicks-like stripping of the roster to a fan base that has seen the Pistons reach the Eastern Conference finals for six consecutive years. It's not too often you can dump salary and get an eight-time All-Star and former MVP in return. Of course, there isn't a single player as difficult to incorporate into a new system as Iverson.

His most successful season in Philadelphia came after the Sixers got rid of Jerry Stackhouse, Derrick Coleman, Larry Hughes and Jim Jackson. They let Iverson have the offensive stage to himself, while everyone else played defense and grabbed rebounds. The experiment with Carmelo Anthony in Denver didn't work out. He dominated the ball too much, played at a speed no one else could keep up with, and didn't do enough to get everyone else involved.

The Pistons lost their first two games with him and got off to a 7-9 start in the Iverson era. (It didn't help that the Nuggets took off with Billups and that George Karl was practically singing about how glad he was to have Iverson gone.) Rodney Stuckey wondered how he fit in the new scheme. Richard Hamilton saw his shots go from 18 per game at the start of the season to 14 per game in the next 13 after Iverson arrived.

"Yesterdayyyy, all my troubles seemed so far away ?"

However, in mid-December, the Pistons' season became more like those lyrics and less like that disjointed Jay-Z-McCartney performance. Detroit won 10 out of 13. It won games even with Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace injured. Most surprising of all, the Pistons did it with Iverson sliding back to a secondary role, letting Stuckey and even Tayshaun Prince handle the ball more while Iverson shot at a lower frequency than at any point in his career.

"I feel like I understand my role a lot more than I did at first," Iverson said. "I understand that there's not going to be games that my team, night in and night out, needs me to score 30 points. It's a different adjustment for me. I averaged 30 points my whole career, and I'm under 20 points here. People think that's going to be something that's going to bother me. But I feel like the window of opportunity for me is still open. Especially being in this situation, I think it makes it that much more easier for me."

In short, Iverson is a Piston. That means no one stands above the rest, that everyone shares equally. Six players average in double figures. The go-to guy changes from game to game. And Iverson is just a part of the mix, off on the wing, waiting to get the ball, his game now much more side-to-side than straight to the basket. Coach Michael Curry's solution to the delicate guard issue is to use Iverson, Stuckey and Hamilton simultaneously. Iverson let Stuckey keep the No. 3 that had been part of Iverson's identity since high school, and he lets Stuckey handle the ball most of the time.

"I'm so happy that I don't have to run this team," Iverson said. "That's what the trade was made for, to get Rodney ready to go."

Well, it also was made because Iverson's contract expires at the end of this season, while Billups' goes through 2011. There is an outside hope that Iverson could help the Pistons get past the Celtics and Cavaliers, the last two teams to end their season. There's no indication yet that Detroit has surpassed them, but the Pistons did beat another top Eastern team, Orlando, during their seven-game winning streak that ended Wednesday in Portland. Boston's stumble created bigger headlines than Detroit's ascension over the past couple of weeks. Boston will be fine come playoff time. It's Detroit that warrants curiosity and scrutiny.

"AI, he's starting to get comfortable with us, we're starting to get comfortable with him," Stuckey said.

If Iverson is less spectacular, he's also more intriguing than he's been in a while. For a while he became so wrapped in controversy that we forgot about what he did right. He's the shortest player among the top 10 career scoring leaders. He was picking himself off the floor and signing up for more punishment long before Dwyane Wade made an ad campaign out of it.

His presence also makes the Pistons a more compelling story. They aren't just the same cast of characters we've been watching since 2004, give or take a Ben Wallace. And Iverson is trying to do what so many have said he could not: sacrifice for the good of the team. That presents a paradox: To get his place in history, he'll have to give up his place in history.

Coming into this season, Iverson had the third-highest scoring average of all time, 27.7 points per game, behind Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan. If he keeps scoring at his current rate of 18 points per game, by the end of the season his career average will have dropped under 27, below Elgin Baylor, Jerry West and LeBron James.

It seems the older Iverson gets, the harder he is to define. His return to Denver on Friday isn't as easy to hype as his first game back in Philadelphia last season, when the crowd showered him with love and he kissed the 76ers logo at half court.

"So many years, so many memories," he said of the emotions that went into that night. "In Philly, I was so much younger and I had to grow. Being in Philly helped me to be the man that I am now, the ups and the downs, the learning experiences, the mistakes that I made, the things that I did right. After I left Philly I tried to carry all the good attributes that I had to the other places that I was going to end up being at. It's going to be a lot different than the Philly situation, but it's going to be special."

In retrospect, Denver was a good transition. He was asked to share the marquee with someone else, no longer the solo attraction. And now he's just another member of the cast, trying to see whether this mix will blend better than a Beatle and a rapper.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Iverson-090108&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines
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« Reply #145 on: January 10, 2009, 12:16:23 AM »

People can still say Kobe all they want, but I honestly believe Lebron James is the greatest player in the NBA right now. He is just amazing.

How can u not be a fan of this guy?
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« Reply #146 on: January 10, 2009, 12:19:35 AM »

People can still say Kobe all they want, but I honestly believe Lebron James is the greatest player in the NBA right now. He is just amazing.

How can u not be a fan of this guy?

I don't like his bitch-ass mom.

He is not very intelligent.  When Sir Charles criticized him, all he could come up with was, "He's stupid!"

I'm glad the NBA instituted the 2 year rule.  This way, we won't get such a vast influx of retards into the league.


But I'm so glad the Cavs beat the Celtics.  I jizz in my pants when I see the C's doing bad.

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« Reply #147 on: January 10, 2009, 02:04:06 AM »

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Because he is a whining baby who is forced down our throats by NBA marketing like MJ was. He gets away with a lot and cries when he's called for a travel.  He is a tremendous talent, and his size is ridiculous. But he isnt the best in the NBA.
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« Reply #148 on: January 10, 2009, 02:14:23 AM »

24 years old 28, 7 and 7

no one can touch those numbers.


What do u think about Kobe? Mr Quit on his teammates and sulk.
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« Reply #149 on: January 10, 2009, 02:41:35 AM »

24 years old 28, 7 and 7

no one can touch those numbers.


What do u think about Kobe? Mr Quit on his teammates and sulk.

I would sulk too if I was the only person on the team who knew how to play basketball.

But he never QUIT on his teammates.  You have your facts wrong like you do with pretty much everything else.  The man won scoring titles during those dark years.  He put up 81 in a game, I do not think those stats are indicative of someone quitting.  This attack was unwarranted, and came straight out of left field.

P.S. Jordan averaged 35/5/6 when he was 24.

Get out of here you clown.
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« Reply #150 on: January 10, 2009, 06:49:30 AM »

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Kobe was in the prime of his career, and the best player in the league, watching his team floundering because they were building for the future instead of trying to win now. He was rightfully frustrated, and voiced his frustration. Now he is on the best team in the league. So, no, he didnt quit on his teammates, he got them to a great position to win.
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« Reply #151 on: January 10, 2009, 02:47:00 PM »

so not taking  three shots in a game 7 in the 2nd half against Phoenix is not quitting on your teammates?



Lebron is the closest thing to Jordan and he has done way more with less than Kobe ever has.

People come on here and cry cause Kobe didn't have a team blah blah blah. Lebron took 4 guys on this forum to the NBA finals two years ago.

He is unstoppable.


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« Reply #152 on: January 10, 2009, 05:09:05 PM »

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  Yes.  Over-rated ,marketed by the NBA, just like Jordan.
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He is unstoppable.
He took 4 guys in the "LEast" to the finals.  And was STOPPED.
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« Reply #153 on: January 10, 2009, 07:55:07 PM »

People come on here and cry cause Kobe didn't have a team blah blah blah. Lebron took 4 guys on this forum to the NBA finals two years ago.

 rofl  Great line....

Lebron is the best in the world, no doubt.  I could watch him play all day... Sure the "crab dribble" complaint was stupid, but what did he say after?  More or less:  If they want to change the calls they make, let them, I will adjust and I will still be the best.

The fact that the only people you can compare Lebron to are guys like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant shows what kind of level this guy is at.  How anyone could watch that double OT performance against the Pistons in the playoffs and STILL not be a fan of the guy is beyond me.
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« Reply #154 on: January 10, 2009, 07:57:03 PM »

Also, the Celts losing 7 of their last 10 and the Raps winning 4 of their last 5 seems like too perfect an opportunity to "kick 'em while they're down" in the upcoming home-and-home... but nothing would make me happier than to see the Raps beat them twice in two nights.
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« Reply #155 on: January 10, 2009, 09:02:40 PM »

also, my Lebron averaging 28-7-7 was in reference to people in the NBA right now. if all u can pull out is Jordan, Lebron is doing amazingly well.

keep in mind also, that Lebron is the consumate teammate. if he shot 30 times a game like Jordan did, he'd probably average 40 a game.

Kobe is a great player, but right now, Lebron for me owns everybody. U take a 24 year old Kobe Bryant compared to a 24 year old Lebron James, and it ain't even close.

Kobe has Pau Gasol, Andruw Bynum, Lamar Odom

Who the fuck does Lebron have other than Mo Williams who is a good but not a top 10 NBA PG, Zydrunas Illgauskas isn't a top 5 center, Ben Wallace and Anderson Varejeo are his PF's and who the fuck is their shooting guard anyway? I couldn't tell u, half the time it is Mo Williams and they start Delonte West, a dude who was a cast away in Boston.

Just look at his game against Boston, his stat line is just insane.
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« Reply #156 on: January 10, 2009, 09:17:44 PM »

You call Lebron a consummate teammate, but then go on and say that he has no team and talk about his individual play.  Its kind of contradictory.  When Kobe carried his team on his back by doing all he could to win, he was labeled selfish.  Yet LeBron carries his team and its called being a consummate teammate.  Now that Kobe actually has guys that can knock down shots, you can see the kind of "consummate" teammate that he really is. 
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« Reply #157 on: January 10, 2009, 09:22:41 PM »

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I know. Kobe had 3 rings.
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« Reply #158 on: January 10, 2009, 09:26:07 PM »

oh please, playing with Shaq in his prime isn't that hard. U see what happened once Shaq left.

Kobe just the last 2 years finally learned how to make his teammates better and they didn't get real good till they stole Pau Gasol.


Playing with Lebron, I am confident I could score 8pts a game. Lebron has made shitty guys that couldn't start on any other basketball team respectable decent players.


just look at the roster.

Larry Hughes was Lebron's 2nd guy, he is like the 9th man off the bench for FUCKING Chicago now

Delonte West was a backup in Seattle and he now starts. 
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« Reply #159 on: January 10, 2009, 09:34:24 PM »

Dude, Kobe got into the playoffs, and took Phoenix to the brink, with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown as starters for cryin out loud. Where are they now?
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