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« Reply #8780 on: July 19, 2021, 08:45:12 AM »

The label isn't going to block a new GNR album. They have a song that would make a hit single on rock radio (Hardschool), and Slash and Duff are more than willing to do interviews/promotion if Axl isn't interested. What reason would the label possibly have for blocking it?

The idea that Hardschool would be hit single material is hilarious to me. It's effectively a Chinese Democracy b-side. I'd put it next to Riad N the Bedouins in terms of quality. Forgettable.

Well riad it's a very interesting song, it just lacks a good outro imho. Hard school has a very nice intro, but the developing it's very banal (i mean  you can like the song for about a month, then you won't listen to it anymore). The vocals are very good. But it's more of a filler than a hit

How do we know.. have anyone heard the final song yet? Will it be the first single? If you listen to some of the GnR demos from appetite, they can be very different from the song on the final album.



one thing its a rough demo on a tape, another thing it's a complete song with the vocals (and axl put always the vocals at the end of the song nowadays, or when the song is almost complete in its main structure ). So what we hear is the final take, u can change the solo or something here and there but  that's it, it won't become a masterpiece oll of sudden  Wink. Even here, maybe a good outro can lift the song up a little bit.

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« Reply #8781 on: July 19, 2021, 11:09:12 AM »

Metallica, Foo Fighters, Acdc... have the same issues and they are way more productive releasing new albums

Sorry Jarmo but those points sound like *****es

I'm optimistic about a new Guns album, but only because Duff and Slash are back in the band

It's not just those artists.  It's every artist and every genre.  Rock, rap, country, pop...there are new releases literally every single week of the year.  Yet we are supposed to believe there are these complete soul crushing and unavoidable forces at work that are unique to this particular band that prevents it.  It's preposterous.  You make your own breaks in this world.

Is "excuses" the right word?  Could be.  I look at it more like willful ignorance.  Some here cling to incredibly bad faith arguments, but just pretend they are real world, all to avoid the reality.

Let me give you an example.  The parents with with the fuck up kid.  Everyone can see what's what about the kid.  In truth, the parents see it too.  But they are willing to cling to all these reasons that it's different for their baby boy, and how people really don't understand the situation.  They are not the least bit objective, and will cope however they can, because...end of the day.....they love their kid.  They are human.

We GNR fans are the parents, and Axl is our fuck up kid.  No one outside the family would accept any of these arguments why nothing new ever happens with this band as plausible or acceptable in the real world.  But we do.  Because we don't want to deal with the reality.

As to you last point, I was right with you...initially.  I didn't figure Slash and Duff would stick around to just play nostalgia tours in perpetuity.  Well, they have so far, no?  I'm sure the money is hard to turn down.  Especially since they left so much of it on the table for 20 plus years.  And I don't fault them.  I find the term "cash grab" to be a ludicrous concept.  Music, at this level, is a business first and foremost. 

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« Reply #8782 on: July 19, 2021, 12:25:07 PM »

Explain this to me: GN'R is GN'R, any other band isn't. That's a fact, how is that an excuse?

The whole notion that "well other bands never have problems" is thrown around like it's some kind of universal answer to everything. Do you use that for everything in life? Why can't you be more like Lloyd Braun?


Is it possible that during the history of the band, you might have realized that GN'R is not an independent artist (like say Metallica) or that they don't have the same relationship with their record company that say the Foo Fighters have? Is it possible? No? Because every band is the same?

I know, excuses.... But only because you refuse to take in facts.



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« Reply #8783 on: July 19, 2021, 01:48:31 PM »

Explain this to me: GN'R is GN'R, any other band isn't. That's a fact, how is that an excuse?

The whole notion that "well other bands never have problems" is thrown around like it's some kind of universal answer to everything. Do you use that for everything in life? Why can't you be more like Lloyd Braun?


Is it possible that during the history of the band, you might have realized that GN'R is not an independent artist (like say Metallica) or that they don't have the same relationship with their record company that say the Foo Fighters have? Is it possible? No? Because every band is the same?

I know, excuses.... But only because you refuse to take in facts.



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« Reply #8784 on: July 19, 2021, 01:57:04 PM »

Explain this to me: GN'R is GN'R, any other band isn't. That's a fact, how is that an excuse?

That's a lame non-answer.  

And it's exactly what I was just getting at in my last post.  You accept the preposterous because you are emotionally invested in this particular guy.  Which we all are, to be fair.  But at some point, you need to face some hard facts.

If there was some other band you didn't give nearly as much of a shit about, and their fans tried to sell you the ridiculous stuff we try and sell each other to explain away YEARS of inaction, you'd laugh in their face.  You'd at least roll your eyes.

I deal in logic.

Most logical possibilities :

- there is little interest to get a new record out there
- there is not really even anything approaching a finished record to get out

Totally illogical possibility :

- there is a album that is done, been done, but a bunch of people with DECADES of experience in the industry just can't figure out how to get it out there

It's foolishness.  I don't do foolishness.  In fairness, I'm also free to speak my mind on the matter.  I have long considered that our disconnect.  You may well agree with me either in total (unlikely) or at least on some level (perhaps).  But there is little upside in you saying so, is there?

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« Reply #8785 on: July 19, 2021, 02:00:22 PM »

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The Lloyd Braun thing made me laugh.  I must admit.
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« Reply #8786 on: July 19, 2021, 02:18:13 PM »

Iíve seen a post on another GnR forum suggesting that someone with music industry contacts has been told that the record company basically laughed at Axl/TBís release demands. Take it for what itís worth.

I guess it could explain the lack of anything from anyone regarding a release of thereís an impasse in terms of negotiations.
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« Reply #8787 on: July 19, 2021, 02:30:38 PM »

It would not surprise me, hopefully a compromise can be reached. beer
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« Reply #8788 on: July 19, 2021, 02:35:48 PM »

Iíve seen a post on another GnR forum suggesting that someone with music industry contacts has been told that the record company basically laughed at Axl/TBís release demands. Take it for what itís worth.

I guess it could explain the lack of anything from anyone regarding a release of thereís an impasse in terms of negotiations.

But how old in that intel though?

I know they laughed at his CD remix idea, which...I could see.  But would they be dismissive of a new GNR effort that contained Slash & Duff on it?  

And, if such a thing did exist...would Slash & Duff accept Axl sabotaging its release?
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« Reply #8789 on: July 19, 2021, 03:37:51 PM »

Iíve seen a post on another GnR forum suggesting that someone with music industry contacts has been told that the record company basically laughed at Axl/TBís release demands. Take it for what itís worth.

I guess it could explain the lack of anything from anyone regarding a release of thereís an impasse in terms of negotiations.

But how old in that intel though?

I know they laughed at his CD remix idea, which...I could see.  But would they be dismissive of a new GNR effort that contained Slash & Duff on it?  

And, if such a thing did exist...would Slash & Duff accept Axl sabotaging its release?

The intel was 12 months+ old, but then according to those in the know the albumís been done for around 18 months so, in theory, the timeline fits
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« Reply #8790 on: July 19, 2021, 03:50:52 PM »


The intel was 12 months+ old, but then according to those in the know the albumís been done for around 18 months so, in theory, the timeline fits


Wow, if true, that's surprising they would roll with that.  Unless they were fully onboard with whatever Axl's demands are.
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« Reply #8791 on: July 19, 2021, 04:02:17 PM »


The intel was 12 months+ old, but then according to those in the know the albumís been done for around 18 months so, in theory, the timeline fits


Wow, if true, that's surprising they would roll with that.  Unless they were fully onboard with whatever Axl's demands are.

The general idea put forward by a certain poster was that the albumís done but Axl/TB canít get the record company to agree to what the band wants. I guess that means what the band wants in terms of revenue and promo.
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« Reply #8792 on: July 19, 2021, 04:13:02 PM »

You accept the preposterous because you are emotionally invested in this particular guy.

Yes, you accept that he is who he is, and you can't change it.

What's so bad about that? Instead of whining about how he's not like Dave Grohl year in and year out?



If there was some other band you didn't give nearly as much of a shit about, and their fans tried to sell you the ridiculous stuff we try and sell each other to explain away YEARS of inaction, you'd laugh in their face.  You'd at least roll your eyes.


No, because to me the artists don't need to do shit if they don't want to. Some take years to release albums, some release multiple new albums per year. It's all part of the game. We're all different. And the sooner you accept it rather than try to put everyone in the same mold, the better. Smiley




- there is little interest to get a new record out there
- there is not really even anything approaching a finished record to get out
Totally illogical possibility :

- there is a album that is done, been done, but a bunch of people with DECADES of experience in the industry just can't figure out how to get it out there

It's foolishness.  I don't do foolishness.  In fairness, I'm also free to speak my mind on the matter.  I have long considered that our disconnect.  You may well agree with me either in total (unlikely) or at least on some level (perhaps).  But there is little upside in you saying so, is there?


What about, there's music, but until the artist is happy with how it's gonna be handled by the record company, he won't release it?

That has never happened in the history of music? Only your options exist?



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« Reply #8793 on: July 19, 2021, 04:15:38 PM »


The general idea put forward by a certain poster was that the albumís done but Axl/TB canít get the record company to agree to what the band wants. I guess that means what the band wants in terms of revenue and promo.


Think they'd play a few of the songs then, no?  Kind of what they have always done.
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« Reply #8794 on: July 19, 2021, 04:17:59 PM »


Yes, you accept that he is who he is, and you can't change it.

What's so bad about that? Instead of whining about how he's not like Dave Grohl year in and year out?


I have said nothing of the kind, actually.

Gotta be at least 20 posts alone on these pages of me the past few years telling people to accept that this is how it is.  That they are a touring operation, nothing more.  But they are doing it a damn high level and it's a hell of an enjoyable show, so go see them if they come 'round.
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« Reply #8795 on: July 19, 2021, 04:24:09 PM »

I'm glad you do.

I just keep seeing the "Other bands manage to release albums" line.... Which is true, but completely ignores the fact that we're talking about different people and different businesses.





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« Reply #8796 on: July 19, 2021, 04:26:36 PM »

For me, the main positive to take from the last few pages is that *I think* the band wants to release an album. That in itself, if true, is obviously a very good thing. The slight negative, I wonder, is are the band expecting too much regarding their release demands which could of course lead to the position of a stalemate where the band just continues touring with no music being released? Itís a very hard situation as we know how let down Axl felt about the release of Chinese so itís understandable heíd want to make sure everything is just so this time around.
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« Reply #8797 on: July 19, 2021, 04:28:22 PM »


I'm glad you do.

I just keep seeing the "Other bands manage to release albums" line.... Which is true, but completely ignores the fact that we're talking about different people and different businesses.


Oh, well, yeah...OK, fine.  

If the position is going to to put out there that it's perfectly reasonable to accept that this one single band faces such unique problems and challenges that they can't do something that literally every other genre of music with acts at all levels of fame are able to accomplish on a literal weekly basis, you can count on me to say that is the stupidest fucking thing that's ever been uttered in the history of the music business.

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« Reply #8798 on: July 19, 2021, 04:31:42 PM »

Hopefully cooler hears prevail and the album gets released. It would be a shame if the album doesn't get released but at least we still have the greatest hits. beer
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« Reply #8799 on: July 19, 2021, 04:31:55 PM »


For me, the main positive to take from the last few pages is that *I think* the band wants to release an album. That in itself, if true, is obviously a very good thing. The slight negative, I wonder, is are the band expecting too much regarding their release demands which could of course lead to the position of a stalemate where the band just continues touring with no music being released? Itís a very hard situation as we know how let down Axl felt about the release of Chinese so itís understandable heíd want to make sure everything is just so this time around.


The only that that gives me pause about what you said is one does wonder if Axl is asking for a complete non-starter right out of the gate.

Like if he says before they can even begin negotiations, he wants a full apology, written and notarized, for how wrong he was done in 2008.  Something that that would be hard to accept.

As to what the other demands might be, I'm just not sure what sort of leverage he thinks bands have these days.  You put your shit out, it goes on Spotify or Apple Music, and that's sort of that.  The rates are what they are and that's pretty much life in the big city.
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