Genuine question here....

[allwaystired]

There's a news story doing the rounds today about this UK tour (and being openly discussed on other GNR forums) but all mention of it keeps being deleted from here.

I won't say what it is, but would genuinely like to know why stuff gets censored on here but not on other sites? I'd very much like to sensibly debate the story with genuine GNR fans, and this is the forum I like, so it seems a shame we can't chat about it......

[samoice]

its just the uk press trying to bad mouth axl.
If its being deleted there is a good reason. why not message the mods instead.

[allwaystired]

Looking at other things, it isn't just negative press stories. I'd like to know other people's takes on it,and seeing as most people I know couldn't care less about Guns N Roses, these forums seem the only place to do it!

[new gnr fan]

A genuine fan, for me, is someone who loves the new line up, respects the work of the past line ups, and deny a reunion.

[allwaystired]

Yep, exactly. I agree one hundred per cent with that. Just think it's a shame that there seems so much censorship on this board, and that certain things about the band we can't discuss! 

[pilferk]

There's a news story doing the rounds today about this UK tour (and being openly discussed on other GNR forums) but all mention of it keeps being deleted from here.

I won't say what it is, but would genuinely like to know why stuff gets censored on here but not on other sites? I'd very much like to sensibly debate the story with genuine GNR fans, and this is the forum I like, so it seems a shame we can't chat about it......

Here's the way I feel:

It's jarmo's (and the mods) "house".  I respect their rules, their right to limit certain conversation or behavior, and their right to delete anything they see fit.   Because I'm essentially a guest in their "house"...and that's what they want.  If they were guest in my "house", I'd expect similar courtesy (or I'd show them the door).

If there's something I want to talk about, or read about, that's not allowed around here..there's plenty of other places I can go for that information. Alternately, I could open up my own "house" and invite everyone over.  The fact that, given the rules of the house, I typically hang out here, and not at those other spots pretty much says it all.  It's not that there's anything WRONG with those other spots...some of them are quite nice...but I prefer it here.

If jarmo's rues were so strict that I found the place to be uninviting (or inhospitable), I'd leave.  Simple as that.

[allwaystired]

Good points. I don't actually post here that much, but always use it to read what's going on, whether it's good news or bad news. People (on the whole!) here seem fairly reasonable about stuff, and I hoped there was a debate about it going on.

Seems even more neccessary to debate it now Bumblefoot has made a statement too! Bit weird how any mention of it gets pulled from here......

[russtcb]

I've been on several GNR Forums today including my main one linked below and haven't seen anything on the story you might be talking about.

[Nightrained]

I read the negative review and its full of errors/lies and half truths,personal opinion and a somewhat exageration on many accounts.

[allwaystired]

If you look at Bumblefoot's facebook page he's making a statement at the moment....

[allwaystired]

oh- it's not the negative review! I think we all just ignore those don't we?!

[samoice]

bumblefoot: Bumblefoot shared a link.
49 minutes ago
Hey all, I have nothing to do with this - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/showbiz/music-news/2012/05/21/rockers-guns-n-roses-request-20-models-to-fill-front-row-of-their-gig-at-glasgow-secc-86908-23867787/. Nor do I decide when the shows start - when you're waiting, so am I.

[Nightrained]

Ok i get you, well the only thing i can suggest is that they have been invited by management so why would they allow a thread for them to be bitched about?

[wadey]

yeah i figured that was the article in question  

bands like to party, apart from the happily married ones of course  
just some blah blah blah if you ask me though  

[team-axl]

A genuine fan, for me, is someone who loves the new line up, respects the work of the past line ups, and deny a reunion.

u sir are a god

[samoice]

just watched the nottingham video of the audience at the end.. i see what they mean now! there not that pretty tho 

[allwaystired]

..according to Bumblefoot they have nothing to do with the band........

[allwaystired]

I do struggle to understand what the point of paying a load of (in my view, not too attractive) women, and by the looks of it thier male friends/boyfriends to stand in front of a band they freely admit to having never heard before!

If it has nothing to do with the band- why on earth are the promoters/organisers shelling out money? what does it acheive other than negative comments from people looking to make negative comments about the shows anyway? 

[Nightrained]

I presume he's been badgered with questions and he is pointing out you are asking the wrong person.

Personally they look like they are obstructing the command and control of security watching the crowd.

[wadey]

Personally they look like they are obstructing the command and control of security watching the crowd.

yeah they do seem to be getting in the way of things, making a safe and secure area more like a disco dance floor 

[allwaystired]

I'll be honest here, and say it leaves a pretty unpleasant taste in my mouth really. I don't like the idea of it all- we all know that GNR are a band that don't need to do things like this- the fact that the girls are even saying they don't like Guns N Roses just makes it seem even more awful.

I also don't like to watch a band I've paid good money to see whilst directly in front of me are a chattering bunch of very young girls waiting to pick up a cheque.

If it's not the band's doing, they need to seriously have a word with the prat who's spending on money on this.

[Nightrained]

Bumble just left a comment on facebook:

*I* think the story is presented dishonestly and it's disrespectful to the families of bandmembers, and I'm bringing it up 1) because they deserve to be respected and defended, 2) a lot of fans feel that access is being granted to people that haven't earned it - by that I mean standing loyally by the band for years, buying a ticket, waiting on sore feet for hours and hours, cheering until they have no voice left, staying til the end and trying to find a way home after public transportation has been shut down... and doing it again the next time we're in town. I have nothing against 'the models', they were offered a fun night out and they deserve equal treatment from the band that any person at the show should get. But 'the band' did not request it, this kinda stuff comes from other people that are offering a good time by whatever means they have, and that's fine. I just feel the need to speak up on behalf our families & the fans, because they're respected & I don't want them feeling like they're not.


Found that at mygnr might clear a few issues up.

[jarmo]

I don't understand the need to repeat and promote bullshit by discussing it in the name of "freedom of speech".

Why is it necessary to complain about things that you only hear about from the biased journalists?


"I'm upset about this made up shit and the band should set things straight". Really?




/jarmo