Tommy Stinson : "I Am Out Of The Loop"

[HBK]

Hey Guys, New Disc Of GNR Is Finish, Simply.

 

[D-GenerationX]

Hey Guys, New Disc Of GNR Is Finish, Simply.

That seems to depend who, when, or where you ask.

[mortismurphy]

Also, he says he knows nothing about the Replacements new album. Does that mean there's communication issues?  

Hopeless analogy since the point is, whether there ever will be a Replacements album to begin with (not whether an album is, at this point, in the creation process). We have already been led to believe there will be another Guns N' Roses album - and indeed, have been told that the majority of it is already recorded.

[JAEBALL]

I guess that's a problem the management has to deal with. We had that case last year when Duff filled in for Tommy.

But yes, there could potentially be conflicting dates. I'm not 100% on this, but I believe GNR isn't as "short notice" as they were a few years ago.

But there would be "big picture" things you would be aware of.

Such as a new album coming out or a tour planned.  Even if you didn't have exact dates, you think you would be told something for you own scheduling.

Sure.

I don't know how the management operates these days and it might be that they can improve on giving the band members more tentative info to plan on.


Btw, it seems like management is flexible in regards to conflicting dates. They were lucky that Duff could fill in last year, but before that they postponed a tour because it was in conflict with some of Richard's dates.

That probably has a lot to do with how capable Duff is to just step right in at a moment's notice.. meaning he obviously knows most of the set list....(plus the draw of him playing ..I'm sure doesn't hurt)

A capable replacement for Richard might not be as easy to find.

[Spirit]

I guess that's a problem the management has to deal with. We had that case last year when Duff filled in for Tommy.

But yes, there could potentially be conflicting dates. I'm not 100% on this, but I believe GNR isn't as "short notice" as they were a few years ago.

But there would be "big picture" things you would be aware of.

Such as a new album coming out or a tour planned.  Even if you didn't have exact dates, you think you would be told something for you own scheduling.

Sure.

I don't know how the management operates these days and it might be that they can improve on giving the band members more tentative info to plan on.


Btw, it seems like management is flexible in regards to conflicting dates. They were lucky that Duff could fill in last year, but before that they postponed a tour because it was in conflict with some of Richard's dates.

That probably has a lot to do with how capable Duff is to just step right in at a moment's notice.. meaning he obviously knows most of the set list....(plus the draw of him playing ..I'm sure doesn't hurt)

A capable replacement for Richard might not be as easy to find.

Yes, that's what I said.

If Duff hadn't been available, they would probably have postponed dates. I'm not saying this is optimal, but it shows that management isn't out to create problems for the band members, rather some for themselves.

[JAEBALL]

I guess that's a problem the management has to deal with. We had that case last year when Duff filled in for Tommy.

But yes, there could potentially be conflicting dates. I'm not 100% on this, but I believe GNR isn't as "short notice" as they were a few years ago.

But there would be "big picture" things you would be aware of.

Such as a new album coming out or a tour planned.  Even if you didn't have exact dates, you think you would be told something for you own scheduling.

Sure.

I don't know how the management operates these days and it might be that they can improve on giving the band members more tentative info to plan on.


Btw, it seems like management is flexible in regards to conflicting dates. They were lucky that Duff could fill in last year, but before that they postponed a tour because it was in conflict with some of Richard's dates.

That probably has a lot to do with how capable Duff is to just step right in at a moment's notice.. meaning he obviously knows most of the set list....(plus the draw of him playing ..I'm sure doesn't hurt)

A capable replacement for Richard might not be as easy to find.

Yes, that's what I said.

If Duff hadn't been available, they would probably have postponed dates. I'm not saying this is optimal, but it shows that management isn't out to create problems for the band members, rather some for themselves.

I agree. I NEVER have accused them of being purposefully problematic for people... Just the nature of how Axl works...

I have this image of him walking in tot he kitchen one morning and going... Beta!!!!!! Brazil!!! 7 shows... two weeks! Make it happen!

[sofine11]

Hey Guys, New Disc Of GNR Is Finish, Simply.

That seems to depend who, when, or where you ask.

I am getting kind of tired of the mixed messages.  DJ talks about the tracks he's written, and how GNR plans to "sift" through the finished material.  Richard says work on it starts and stops.  Axl said it's done, and was supposed to be the main focus after Vegas....Here we are nearly a year later with still no official word on it. I mean c'mon. It's either coming or it isn't.

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

Does Axl even want to release a record this year?  We have no idea.  Just because he stated in the Revolver article that he was going to start looking into things, doesn't mean if had any intention of releasing new music anytime soon.  Maybe he wants to take this whole year off.  Problem is we get our hopes up for no reason.  Assume nothing until you're otherwise given specific, time-bound information.  Until then, assume Tommy, DJ, Richard, etc. do not need to be in the loop.  By the way, my sentiments in no way are a reflection of how I'd like to see this band work, but are simply just pointing out the obvious reality.

[D-GenerationX]

I am getting kind of tired of the mixed messages.  DJ talks about the tracks he's written, and how GNR plans to "sift" through the finished material.  Richard says work on it starts and stops.  Axl said it's done, and was supposed to be the main focus after Vegas....Here we are nearly a year later with still no official word on it. I mean c'mon. It's either coming or it isn't.

Seems to me it depends on where you stand on things, overall.

If you are fed up with the delays, you are going to take the comments as a sign its all done and they can finally get the damn show on the road.

If you are a militant Axl defender, and think the road to hell is paved with fan's questions, you are going to take the same comment but look for as much wiggle room as you can to buy Axl time.

[mortismurphy]

All of those mixed messages can be explained. An investigative analyse of time frames can reconcile two statements, seemingly completely at odds with each other. A questioning of the formality of the interview can significantly alter the context so the contradiction can be ignored, at our whim basically. If these tactics are insufficient, you have to simply shout the questioners down or perplex him or her with mind-boggling academic arguments involving little straw people: eventually the very simple and stark contradiction will be diluted in an overall fudge of messiness. In time, every mixed message in the land of new gnr makes complete sense.

Apart from those penned by Ron. He is, beyond salvation.

[jarmo]

you are going to take the same comment but look for as much wiggle room as you can to buy Axl time.

Why do you need to buy time?
It'll be out when Axl thinks it should come out. Nothing's changed.

When you accept that reality, you don't need to "buy time". The ones "waiting" are the ones who spend their time counting the days and being upset.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

 you are going to take the same comment but look for as much wiggle room as you can to buy Axl time.

Why do you need to buy time?

I don't.  I'm not one of the people in that group.  Which is hardly a state secret.

Several people tell me its done, I believe them.  I don't then start asking what "done" means.  Do they mean "done-done" or just "done".  That sort of thing.

Not my deal.  That's the deal of people looking to buy Axl time, and I am not among their number.

[reayj2003]

I don't believe for one minute that it's Axl holding back from releasing stuff. Look at his comments back at London arena in 2002. We should have 3 albums by now.

My guess is the record company are the ones holding things up. Did Axl not say once Chinese was the collection of songs they were "allowed" to release. If universal think the material will bomb then they won't want to release it. Releases like appetite for democracy are a safer bet as still clings to the past success.

This is the reality of big business.

[reayj2003]

If Chinese was considered a big acclaimed hit I don't doubt the remix album would be out now but imagine marketing that today.

I can just see the sneers in kerrang..."An album that got a luke warm reception on it's initial release has now been rereleased as an obscure remix affair...blood in the water sounds like something you'd hear in a disco. Slash made the right choice etc etc"

[D-GenerationX]

My guess is the record company are the ones holding things up. Did Axl not say once Chinese was the collection of songs they were "allowed" to release. If universal think the material will bomb then they won't want to release it.

I think we have to hope this is not the case, otherwise, we are fucked.  If they thought the 14 songs we did get were the most commercially viable, we've got troubles.

[D-GenerationX]

If Chinese was considered a big acclaimed hit I don't doubt the remix album would be out now but imagine marketing that today.

I can just see the sneers in kerrang..."An album that got a luke warm reception on it's initial release has now been rereleased as an obscure remix affair...blood in the water sounds like something you'd hear in a disco. Slash made the right choice etc etc"

And this is a point I have been trying to make since this talk started.  There is little market for a remix album of an album that did not make impact to begin with.

Someone in one of these threads posted sales figures for NIN remix albums.  They sucked too.  And 'The Downward Spiral' fared a hell of a lot better than 'Chinese Democracy'.

[jarmo]

I don't think anybody thinks remix albums are supposed to be chart toppers or big sellers.

Everyone knows they're only for a select group of fans, or possibly new fans who don't like the original versions.
For example, if you make a slow remix of a fast song. Then you might get others into that track....



/jarmo

[mortismurphy]

Blood On The Dance Floor is the best selling remix album of all time, shipping six million (HIStory shipped 25 million!).

[Sosso]

Blood On The Dance Floor is the best selling remix album of all time, shipping six million (HIStory shipped 25 million!).

The remix albums from NIN are great too (especially Year Zero Remixed).

[sofine11]

My guess is the record company are the ones holding things up. Did Axl not say once Chinese was the collection of songs they were "allowed" to release. If universal think the material will bomb then they won't want to release it.

I think we have to hope this is not the case, otherwise, we are fucked.  If they thought the 14 songs we did get were the most commercially viable, we've got troubles.

Yeah, we got somewhat mixed messages on that as well.  Axl would talk about how the tracklist was intentionally selected for the album.  And then he would say that this was the album that got past the "red tape".  My GUESS is that he was referring to the Sean Beaven and Roy Thomas Baker versions of the album, both were sent to the label and both versions were told that they needed more work.  In that context, Axl's "red tape" comments make sense and aren't as damning in regard to the next album.

Had the tracks on Chinese Democracy been handpicked by the label out of the dozens recorded, I would agree that getting the next one out would likely be a difficult task, if drawn from the leftovers.  However, I have to believe that certain tracks were meant for the followup album(s).  For example, when Axl told Baz that The General would likely be on the 3rd album back in 2006...