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« on: May 05, 2015, 06:28:15 AM »

Considering Pac is having shoulder surgery, and will be out at least 9 to 12 months (and maybe he'll just retire).....and Mayweather only has one more deal on his Showtime contract (for September)....I think it's gonna be tough to get another fight between those two any time soon.
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2015, 09:10:33 AM »

Don't Duck The Fans.

Wow..that is the funniest tweet ever! I hope he appreciates the irony.

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As for the fight, yeah, it appears Manny was hurt.  But I'm a pretty big boxing fan and seen just about every Floyd fight since 2001.  That's how they all go, pretty much.

Guy might win a few early rounds.  But then Floyd gets his timing down and dominates the second half of the fight.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2015, 02:15:36 PM »

I do not think there will be a rematch either. Really this fight should have happened five years ago, when both boxers were at their best. Mayweather will hopefully fight Khan next before retiring. He will probably fight an easier match though. Pacquiao will probably retire as he is running for the presidency of the Philippines.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2015, 02:26:52 PM »


I do not think there will be a rematch either. Really this fight should have happened five years ago, when both boxers were at their best. Mayweather will hopefully fight Khan next before retiring. He will probably fight an easier match though. Pacquiao will probably retire as he is running for the presidency of the Philippines.


The surgery will cost him a year.

A year off at that age?  For a high energy, pressure fighter, volume puncher?

I don't love the odds.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2015, 02:35:54 PM »

Also, although Pacquiao is the younger man, Mayweather has definitely coped with the aging process better. His loses to Tim Bradley and Marquez in 2012 demonstrated a definite slump. But they are both not young men and Mayweather wants to protect his undefeated record; he will probably fulfill that Showtime fight and retire. Hopefully it will be v Khan. Manny probably should have retired in 2011 and saved himself them last three defeats.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2015, 02:39:39 PM »


Also, although Pacquiao is the younger man, Mayweather has definitely coped with the aging process better. His loses to Tim Bradley and Marquez in 2012 demonstrated a definite slump. But they are both not young men and Mayweather wants to protect his undefeated record; he will probably fulfill that Showtime fight and retire. Hopefully it will be v Khan. Manny probably should have retired in 2011 and saved himself them last three defeats.


Oh, come on.  That "loss" to Bradley was a travesty of justice.

And the Marquez that showed up for that 4th fight was as roided up as anyone from the WWF in the late 80s.  It was comical.

But overall, I agree Floyd is in far better shape.  The benefits of a style where you hit but don't get hit.  The guy is amazing.  Total dickbag of a person, but one amazing fighter.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2015, 02:46:37 PM »

Freaking Time Warner... I had to watch the fight in NON high def...

I love how Samsung paid Manny 2 MILLION to take that selfie while walking to the ring.

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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2015, 02:48:41 PM »


Freaking Time Warner... I had to watch the fight in NON high def...

I love how Samsung paid Manny 2 MILLION to take that selfie while walking to the ring.


Yeah, and you could tell Freddie was annoyed by that too.

But, hey...2 million bucks is 2 million bucks.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2015, 06:13:24 PM »

The news sites are now reporting that Mayweather is offering a rematch within a year.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2015, 08:04:23 PM »

I lost interest in boxing a long time ago. However, if there was one fight that I would have love to have seen would be Mayweather v. a younger Mike Tyson.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2015, 08:48:06 PM »

I lost interest in boxing a long time ago. However, if there was one fight that I would have love to have seen would be Mayweather v. a younger Mike Tyson.

HEAVYWEIGHT Mike Tyson vs. Welterweight Floyd? You know that fight will not last 30 seconds right?
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2015, 08:52:15 PM »

I lost interest in boxing a long time ago. However, if there was one fight that I would have love to have seen would be Mayweather v. a younger Mike Tyson.

Floyd would certainly have to move up the weight classes. The highest he has fought is, light middleweight.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2015, 10:16:21 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2015, 11:00:37 PM »



I lost interest in boxing a long time ago. However, if there was one fight that I would have love to have seen would be Mayweather v. a younger Mike Tyson.


Floyd would certainly have to move up the weight classes. The highest he has fought is, light middleweight.


Floyd against a more in his prime Shane Mosley would have been excellent.  Or the young Meldrick Taylor.

I would love to have seen him with Roy Jones, but Roy was too big for him.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2015, 02:57:03 AM »

Roberto Duran began professionally as a lightweight and was fighting at super middle by the end of his career. Also he was competitive to the end and winning titles so it was not just a case of an old fighter making weight through a beer gut. Mayweather seems to have settled on welter or he would have stuck at light middle (or continued to move up) when he fought Cotto/La Hoya. Probably one of the reasons, beyond natural weight, is that the welterweight divisions have been the most impressive weight divisions for a number of years. Usually there has to be a big name to entice fighters to move up weight divisions. Now there is GGG but it is probably too late for a Mayweather vs Golovkin match-up sadly.
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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2015, 08:43:44 AM »

I haven't followed boxing at all in recent years, so don't know much about Mayweather.  How would he have fared against the 70s/80s greats, like Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Chavez, etc.?
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2015, 09:59:38 AM »

LAS VEGAS, May 4 (UPI) -- Despite a loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Saturday, Manny Pacquiao's pockets were weighed down by a possible $100 million. But now Pacquiao is headed for the operating room.
Pacquiao will have surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder, but the bad news doesn't end there.

Pacquiao also faces possible disciplinary action from Nevada boxing officials for not disclosing the injury before the Mayweather bout, according to multiple reports.

Pacquiao will have the surgery in Los Angeles and will be be out from 4 to 6 months, his advisor reported to the Los Angeles Times.

Pacquiao, who checked "no" on a commission questionnaire asking if he had a shoulder injury, the day before the fight, could face a fine or suspension.


"We will gather all the facts and follow the circumstances," Nevada Athletic Commission chairman Francisco Aguilar told Fox Sports. "At some point we will have some discussion. As a licensee of the commission you want to make sure fighters are giving you up-to-date information."

Pacquiao disclosed the injury in a post-fight press conference.

"Three weeks before my fight I had to skip my training for a couple of days for that reason," Pacquiao told Sky Sports. "We went for an MRI ? there is a tear in my right shoulder. I cannot use my right shoulder a lot. The fight was still good. But what we wanted to do, we could not do because of my shoulder."

"The thing is in the third round I already felt the pain in my shoulder. When I threw a lot of combinations I had to back off because it hurt."

"But he's fast ? he's a good boxer. Give credit to him ? he won tonight."

The high-profile bout, which costs at-home fans more than $100, was a dissapointment to some, including Guns N' Roses front man, Axl Rose. Rose tweeted Monday that there should be a rematch, aired for free.


"May/Pac the Free-Match," Rose wrote. "No injuries. No holding. No PPV," Rose wrote. "Boxing greats don't duck the fans."
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2015, 10:08:24 AM »


I haven't followed boxing at all in recent years, so don't know much about Mayweather.  How would he have fared against the 70s/80s greats, like Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Chavez, etc.?


Pretty well.  He is extremely hard to hit clean.  Very tough match-up for anybody.

And don't buy into this "all he does is run" crap people try and sell you.  He beat the ever living shit out of guys like Diego Corrales (knocked down 5 times), Arturo Gatti (corner threw in the towel after 6 rounds) and Ricky Hatton (drilled him so hard, he fell into the turnbuckle and went down and out).
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2015, 12:25:29 PM »

I haven't followed boxing at all in recent years, so don't know much about Mayweather.  How would he have fared against the 70s/80s greats, like Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Chavez, etc.?

Nah, he would get slaughtered by Hagler and Leonard at anywhere near their prime and would probably struggle against Duran and Hearns also. Boxing does not have anything like the quality of fighters it once had. The heavyweight division is worse.
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2015, 12:36:57 PM »


Nah, he would get slaughtered by Hagler and Leonard at anywhere near their prime and would probably struggle against Duran and Hearns also. Boxing does not have anything like the quality of fighters it once had. The heavyweight division is worse.


I don't know about that. 

Hagler was completely outsmarted by Leonard.  Marvin gave away so many early rounds.  And then insisting afterwards that he should have stood and traded, with was never Ray's style.  And would have been total suicide against a monster like Hagler.

I think Ray is a tougher fight for Floyd than Marvin.
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2015, 01:43:49 PM »

I watched the PPV from home.  Cost roughly 100 bux

I have been a boxing fan since the early Mike Tyson days and have been a MMA fan since the early 90s.  Pretty much have been a pro fight fan all my all my life

What I watched on Saturday was a complete joke.  What should of been this great epic event.  Turned into a one fight card that was a total snooze fest

People are defending Mayweather for his performance   Saying how he is a great counter fighter and always fights this way, blow my mind.  What if Manny boxed that match like Floyed?  What if Manny backed up the entire fight like Floyed and waited for the counter punch.  The fight would of been booed out of the building, as it should of been.

The undercard was a total joke.  The arena was 90 percent empty until the main event.   So if the people in the crowd don't care about the undercards, why should I care watching at home.

There were no special attraction on the card, nothing to make it stand out as a event.

It may go down as the biggest fight ever.  But what it did more than anything was turn off the casual boxing fan from ever ordering a PPV again.  Boxing is dead
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People are defending Mayweather for his performance   Saying how he is a great counter fighter and always fights this way, blow my mind.  What if Manny boxed that match like Floyed?  What if Manny backed up the entire fight like Floyed and waited for the counter punch.  The fight would of been booed out of the building, as it should of been.



But if you've been a boxing fan going back 25 years, surely you've seen a few Floyd fights.  Was what you saw on Saturday terribly different than what you usually get?

His fights aren't exactly action packed.  You get an outlier like the Gatti fight, where he came to destroy because he was pissed (legitimately, in my opinion) that people considered Gatti a fighter on his level.  So he beat the shit out of him.  But most times, that's the deal.  The other guy can't figure Floyd out, his punch output decreases as the fight wears on, and Floyd wins a wide decision.

Your beef is with Manny, in my opinion.  Floyd fought his fight, but Manny did not fight his.  The whole allure of this fight for 5 years was that Manny would go at him like a house on fire and force Floyd out of his comfort zone.  Manny came up super small on that front.  That fight looked like every Floyd fight I've seen for 10 years, but looked like no Manny fight I had ever seen, ever.

As for the general public, what can you do?  You don't want to big time the casual fan and belittle their lack of knowledge, but how can you not at a certain point?  Casuals tune in expecting to see Rocky Balboa-Ivan Drago.  That's not real life.  And even if some boxing fights are more action packed, that's never the case with Floyd.

Hopefully, you'll wander on down to whatever Siberia this gets moved to, because that's going to happen real soon after I hit the post button here.  But always interested to talk to a fellow boxing fan.
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2015, 02:14:05 PM »

The thing is Floyd hasn't always fought like this.  It was nearly around the time he switched his nickname from "pretty boy" to "money" where he developed this safer more defensive approach.  I wont even call it an approach, when all the guy does is run backwards.  Play the ropes, and then hug his way out of any danger.

So here is Floyd, fighting a guy with a broken shoulder a guy that hasn't any speed in his hands for years, a guy that a couple of fights ago almost took a death punch and was knocked out for a very long time and a guy that looked a lot smaller than him...  But yet Mayweather still had to run backwards the entire fight.  I don't care if that is what he has done for his past fights.  Would Manny had to show up in a wheel chair with his arm in a sling, in order for Floyd to get out of safe zone.

Hell I have never lost a pro boixing fight either!  But I have also never had one..   Pretty much sums up Floyde

And trust me the general public Is very a where that not all fights are like a Rocky movie...   They all don't have to be boxing snobs..  What happened on sat was a joke and not a boxing match

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2015, 04:17:58 PM »


Nah, he would get slaughtered by Hagler and Leonard at anywhere near their prime and would probably struggle against Duran and Hearns also. Boxing does not have anything like the quality of fighters it once had. The heavyweight division is worse.


I don't know about that. 

Hagler was completely outsmarted by Leonard.  Marvin gave away so many early rounds.  And then insisting afterwards that he should have stood and traded, with was never Ray's style.  And would have been total suicide against a monster like Hagler.

I think Ray is a tougher fight for Floyd than Marvin.

I love those two fighters though. I think they both would have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jr. Both were, slightly, past their best when they fought but it ended up in a very close and exciting contest. You have to remember that Hagler totally dominated the middle weight division before that. Him and Monzon for, ''best mw ever'' in my opinion. He was a tactically brilliant fighter also, a switch hitter.
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2015, 05:09:15 PM »

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquio-rematch
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2015, 09:02:02 PM »


I do not think this will be the contracted last fight. He honestly must be thinking about prolonging his career.
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2015, 10:03:44 PM »


I haven't followed boxing at all in recent years, so don't know much about Mayweather.  How would he have fared against the 70s/80s greats, like Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Chavez, etc.?


Pretty well.  He is extremely hard to hit clean.  Very tough match-up for anybody.

And don't buy into this "all he does is run" crap people try and sell you.  He beat the ever living shit out of guys like Diego Corrales (knocked down 5 times), Arturo Gatti (corner threw in the towel after 6 rounds) and Ricky Hatton (drilled him so hard, he fell into the turnbuckle and went down and out).

I'm probably biased because I've met Hagler and he's a hell of a guy (from my brief meetings), but I believe he would have fucking decimated Mayweather. Absolutely killed him. He was merciless. That said, I don't think it's fair to compare the two because Hagler was a true middleweight and Floyd isn't. Leonard in his prime also would have destroyed Floyd and Duran probably would have, too, all for the same reasons.

Hearns could hit (no put intended) but he had a brittle jaw. I think Floyd would take him. Chavez is a tough one to call. Oscar beat him but he was nearing the end of his career. I think Floyd would have a shot though.

I agree  Floyd is an amazing defensive fighter and he can hit. I watched the May-Pac fight and it was what I expected although not what I hoped. I think a lot of folks who were tuning in to a fight for the first time were hoping for a Rocky movie-like battle and were deservedly disappointed. My unofficial scorecard had Floyd 7-5, but whatever.

For me, that will be the last Floyd fight I watch if only because I've watched his fights in hopes that he'd lost the only two people he's fought that I thought had an an iota of a chance - Manny and Canelo - got beat. Damn, that Canelo fight was freaking depressing actually.
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2015, 09:42:08 AM »


For me, that will be the last Floyd fight I watch if only because I've watched his fights in hopes that he'd lost the only two people he's fought that I thought had an an iota of a chance - Manny and Canelo - got beat. Damn, that Canelo fight was freaking depressing actually.


But did you think Canelo really had a chance?  I thought he was far too slow to be a real threat.
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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2015, 10:21:50 AM »

I think Mayweather wouldve beat Chavez. Chavez alway had issues with slick boxers ( and they dont get any slicker than Floyd). Pernell Whitaker for all intents and purposes beat Chavez (even though Chavez got the decision), and he was losing to Meldrick Taylor until that terrible stoppage with 2 seconds left.
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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2015, 10:57:47 AM »


I think Mayweather wouldve beat Chavez. Chavez alway had issues with slick boxers ( and they dont get any slicker than Floyd). Pernell Whitaker for all intents and purposes beat Chavez (even though Chavez got the decision), and he was losing to Meldrick Taylor until that terrible stoppage with 2 seconds left.


I just rewatched that HBO 'Legendary Nights' last week.

I used to say that too, about he stoppage.  But Meldrick was in some bad, bad shape.  Hell, the end of the 11th, he goes to the wrong corner.
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