THEORY - axl saving chi dem 2 songs for possible reunion album???

[ben9785]

Of course they could do it. Even if Slash was to only add a guitar solo to a completed song, people would recognise it and embrace it as GNR.

I'd personally prefer to hear the unreleased material in its existing form with Robin etc, but probably unlikely now with such a significant change in the lineup.

Will it really be possible for Axl to continue his vision of new GNR by replacing Slash again?

[ice cream sand pig]

agreed, slashs presence on cd2 would open peoples minds up to it so much.

[ben9785]

That's the thing though - even to an older fan of GNR let alone a casual listener, they won't be concerned with who plays drums or when it was recorded or who wrote the song - when they hear Axl's voice with a Slash solo, that will sound like GNR.

Even to members of forums like this who are more intensive fans of GNR, any new music is going to be new, whether it was recorded in 97 or 07, whether Paul Tobias or Slash plays guitar on it.

[Lucky]

my personal reason that I guess many could relate is this:

We were here from the start... watching the "baby" evolve... we're like the impotent uncle, that watches the child grow up... we felt like it was ours... and we wanted the NuGNR to prosper. Its sad to see that the dream is over... and that that elusive prosperous time is now probably for ever gone.

personally, I'd like to hear every bit of recordings by finck and buckethead... since those 2 pervs were the thing that shaped my view of the new band in the first place.

[ben9785]

Well Finck and Buckethead did shape the new band after all when the band debuted in 2001. I also really hope to hear more of the material that they recorded. I still go back and watch some of the 2002 performances.

Might be a little off topic, apologies.

[xxgunsxx]

Not in the cards or discussion at this point.

[C0ma]

I would think that if they are being saved for this lineup, they would wind up being 100% re-recorded (except for vocals that exist possibly). I would not have Duff lay down a second bass track, and you aren't going to make him like the 7th guitar on a track. The other thing is while yes Chinese Democracy is a 'guitar heavy' album, stylistically and tone wise it is a much much different sound than what you will get from Slash... even from a pure 'equipment perspective' Slash's tone doesn't match anything we have heard from the CD Era lineup. Slash has a much creamier bluesy tone, most of his 'crunch' comes from his amp... where the CD lineup (just watch Premier Guitars interviews with Ron, Richard, and DJ) tend to use a lot more effects, and typically (especially on the CD material more than the classic material) have hotter pickups than the Alnico II pickups that Slash has used since his Derrig Les Paul copy back in 1987. This gives the new guys a more biting metal like tone, which works well with the amount of synth that happens in the background with Dizzy and Chris.

The other thing to consider, do you ever want to hear the songs after the album release? If you have songs built primarily off of ideas from Bucket and Robin you are going to get a lot of 'tricks' built into the songs... not sure the reason and or obsession with them, but they each use kill switches on their guitars and use them all of the time. Slash can mimic that sound with  his pickup selector switch, but why? I never understood the point of that sound... The other thing is the 'stunt' solos... Looking at what we think we know about the lineup who would play them live? It isn't Slash's playing style, It really isn't Richards style, and of what I know about Kushner (if he's involved) it really isn't his style... If Bumble had any input or recording time on any tracks (he made it onto CD) than we are definitely going to get his fretless guitar... who does that?

I would think that any new music we get is going to either be completely new, or tweaked by and totally re-recorded by this line up... unless it is released as a 'Thank You' to the old era and packaged/marketed as such.

[bjd2944]

I'm sure between Axl, Slash, Duff and whoever else might be involved there are ideas, concepts, completed songs, melodies, riffs, lyrics, and all sorts of shit that could be pieced together into some sort of a record in the not too distant future.

[Voodoochild]

I would think that if they are being saved for this lineup, they would wind up being 100% re-recorded (except for vocals that exist possibly). I would not have Duff lay down a second bass track, and you aren't going to make him like the 7th guitar on a track. The other thing is while yes Chinese Democracy is a 'guitar heavy' album, stylistically and tone wise it is a much much different sound than what you will get from Slash... even from a pure 'equipment perspective' Slash's tone doesn't match anything we have heard from the CD Era lineup. Slash has a much creamier bluesy tone, most of his 'crunch' comes from his amp... where the CD lineup (just watch Premier Guitars interviews with Ron, Richard, and DJ) tend to use a lot more effects, and typically (especially on the CD material more than the classic material) have hotter pickups than the Alnico II pickups that Slash has used since his Derrig Les Paul copy back in 1987. This gives the new guys a more biting metal like tone, which works well with the amount of synth that happens in the background with Dizzy and Chris.

I see little to no reason on why would Slash's tone not fit into the mix. It would sound different for sure, but I think it would work just fine just like Bumble's more crunchy tone and riffy rhythm worked on Chinese Democracy.

The other thing to consider, do you ever want to hear the songs after the album release? If you have songs built primarily off of ideas from Bucket and Robin you are going to get a lot of 'tricks' built into the songs... not sure the reason and or obsession with them, but they each use kill switches on their guitars and use them all of the time. Slash can mimic that sound with  his pickup selector switch, but why? I never understood the point of that sound...

Robin didn't use killswitch on the record, that's all Bucket. I think it's amazing, but it's just a resource for the sound. What's the difference between using a killswitch and a bottleneck for slide? Both are just resources to add to the regular guitar sound. There's no point to be made.

Also, Slash doesn't need to use the same technique. I'm sure he would use a different approach of his own.

The other thing is the 'stunt' solos... Looking at what we think we know about the lineup who would play them live? It isn't Slash's playing style, It really isn't Richards style, and of what I know about Kushner (if he's involved) it really isn't his style... If Bumble had any input or recording time on any tracks (he made it onto CD) than we are definitely going to get his fretless guitar... who does that?

Again, no need to have the same approach. Slash can use his own style. Also, Richard is actually capable to pull off some shredding if it's needed.

[C0ma]

I would think that if they are being saved for this lineup, they would wind up being 100% re-recorded (except for vocals that exist possibly). I would not have Duff lay down a second bass track, and you aren't going to make him like the 7th guitar on a track. The other thing is while yes Chinese Democracy is a 'guitar heavy' album, stylistically and tone wise it is a much much different sound than what you will get from Slash... even from a pure 'equipment perspective' Slash's tone doesn't match anything we have heard from the CD Era lineup. Slash has a much creamier bluesy tone, most of his 'crunch' comes from his amp... where the CD lineup (just watch Premier Guitars interviews with Ron, Richard, and DJ) tend to use a lot more effects, and typically (especially on the CD material more than the classic material) have hotter pickups than the Alnico II pickups that Slash has used since his Derrig Les Paul copy back in 1987. This gives the new guys a more biting metal like tone, which works well with the amount of synth that happens in the background with Dizzy and Chris.

I see little to no reason on why would Slash's tone not fit into the mix. It would sound different for sure, but I think it would work just fine just like Bumble's more crunchy tone and riffy rhythm worked on Chinese Democracy.

The other thing to consider, do you ever want to hear the songs after the album release? If you have songs built primarily off of ideas from Bucket and Robin you are going to get a lot of 'tricks' built into the songs... not sure the reason and or obsession with them, but they each use kill switches on their guitars and use them all of the time. Slash can mimic that sound with  his pickup selector switch, but why? I never understood the point of that sound...

Robin didn't use killswitch on the record, that's all Bucket. I think it's amazing, but it's just a resource for the sound. What's the difference between using a killswitch and a bottleneck for slide? Both are just resources to add to the regular guitar sound. There's no point to be made.

Also, Slash doesn't need to use the same technique. I'm sure he would use a different approach of his own.

The other thing is the 'stunt' solos... Looking at what we think we know about the lineup who would play them live? It isn't Slash's playing style, It really isn't Richards style, and of what I know about Kushner (if he's involved) it really isn't his style... If Bumble had any input or recording time on any tracks (he made it onto CD) than we are definitely going to get his fretless guitar... who does that?

Again, no need to have the same approach. Slash can use his own style. Also, Richard is actually capable to pull off some shredding if it's needed.

I agree with absolutely everything you are saying (except for the kill switch thing, still don't get it)... what I am envisioning is having to listen to Robin, Bucket, and Bumble rump swabs complain when Slash does't play it note for note (sound for sound) just like the Slash people did when Robin or DJ took very slight liberties with a Slash solo. The music isn't out, so like a tree in the woods, does it exist if no one hears it.

This has been my argument all along with not releasing or waiting to release CDII because it will eventually cause confusion inside and outside of the rabid fan base. 'We' will complain (not all of us) when a song is left off a setlist because Slash for example just doesn't want to play it, or Rolling Stone will make a crack at the falling dominoes list of players on the album just further pointing out the fractured history of the CD Era.

If the CD Era is truly dead... than bury it.

If this is a one time tour, wait till it is over then start to flood the market with Beatles and TuPac like EP's of material every few years from all generations of the band.

If this is going to be a functioning band why not kick them off with their own material, and sprinkle some existing CD era stuff live. It's not like you are adding quitar players 10 and 11 to the constantly revolving CD Era line up... This is Slash and Duff, and with Slash you are getting a guitar god... sure are some of the CD ear player more technically proficient? Absolutely, but non are more marketable than Slash, so why release an album with potentially the following guitar players: Paul, Bucket, Robin, Richard, Ron, DJ, Slash, (Izzy, Kushner) 

I know everyone says 'why does it matter who's on the record, why does it matter who wrote the songs, pop stars sing other people songs all the time' Do you think no one would notice if Led Zeppelin started touring this year and they turned on the radio and heard the new Led Zeppelin single and heard a 'Buckethead like' solo then found out that Jimmy Page didn't write any of the songs and only layered a guitar track or two over them?

People want Slash... everyone knows who Slash is. Kids who aren't from that era know who he is from Guitar Hero, or Michael Jackson, or the Black Eye'd peas... they watched him on the Super Bowl, the largest US TV audience (by far) every year. Give them what they want. Then give us what we want from the CD2 library at a more appropriate time.

[Voodoochild]

I agree with absolutely everything you are saying (except for the kill switch thing, still don't get it)... what I am envisioning is having to listen to Robin, Bucket, and Bumble rump swabs complain when Slash does't play it note for note (sound for sound) just like the Slash people did when Robin or DJ took very slight liberties with a Slash solo. The music isn't out, so like a tree in the woods, does it exist if no one hears it.

I understand now what you said. IMHO, maybe it's different because Slash was the foundation of the original GNR sound and, just like you said, he's more popular, so people will be more likely to accept whatever changes he does. I'm talking about live performances.

About unreleased recordings, you're right. Nobody knows it, so it wouldn't matter.

[C0ma]

I agree with absolutely everything you are saying (except for the kill switch thing, still don't get it)... what I am envisioning is having to listen to Robin, Bucket, and Bumble rump swabs complain when Slash does't play it note for note (sound for sound) just like the Slash people did when Robin or DJ took very slight liberties with a Slash solo. The music isn't out, so like a tree in the woods, does it exist if no one hears it.

I understand now what you said. IMHO, maybe it's different because Slash was the foundation of the original GNR sound and, just like you said, he's more popular, so people will be more likely to accept whatever changes he does. I'm talking about live performances.

About unreleased recordings, you're right. Nobody knows it, so it wouldn't matter.

The existing live stuff I think gets trimmed to what fits Slash and the really bucket influenced stuff like Shacklers, Scraped, and Sorry probably don't get played much.

I more mean that IMO CD2 is either totally reworked and re-recorded with the reformed lineup, or it is shelved until a more appropriate time... and shelved is probably the wrong word for it. I think today would be as good a time as ever to release it, but I think it should follow some major live appearance, like a Fallon, Colbert, or Kimmel where he thanks the CD era lineup and the fans that stuck with him and GnR then launches it that day on iTunes as a sort of farewell to an era album. Sell it in 2 flavors CD 2 and CD Era deluxe edition with the remixed CD 1 tracks... but really set the expectation  that this is not who you are seeing in April or a Summer Tour etc...

Then let the reformed lineup build their brand with new tracks (if those are on the way)... I think the inclusion of Duff (a former equal and pretty business savvy guy) can give Axl the kick in the ass he needs to not only record new material in a reasonable amount of time, but to 'complete' and release it quickly as well. The 'hired hand' organization of the CD Era didn't really give anyone the 'pull' to give Axl that kick in the ass.

[pilferk]

I agree with absolutely everything you are saying (except for the kill switch thing, still don't get it)... what I am envisioning is having to listen to Robin, Bucket, and Bumble rump swabs complain when Slash does't play it note for note (sound for sound) just like the Slash people did when Robin or DJ took very slight liberties with a Slash solo. The music isn't out, so like a tree in the woods, does it exist if no one hears it.

I understand now what you said. IMHO, maybe it's different because Slash was the foundation of the original GNR sound and, just like you said, he's more popular, so people will be more likely to accept whatever changes he does. I'm talking about live performances.

About unreleased recordings, you're right. Nobody knows it, so it wouldn't matter.

The existing live stuff I think gets trimmed to what fits Slash and the really bucket influenced stuff like Shacklers, Scraped, and Sorry probably don't get played much.

I more mean that IMO CD2 is either totally reworked and re-recorded with the reformed lineup, or it is shelved until a more appropriate time... and shelved is probably the wrong word for it. I think today would be as good a time as ever to release it, but I think it should follow some major live appearance, like a Fallon, Colbert, or Kimmel where he thanks the CD era lineup and the fans that stuck with him and GnR then launches it that day on iTunes as a sort of farewell to an era album. Sell it in 2 flavors CD 2 and CD Era deluxe edition with the remixed CD 1 tracks... but really set the expectation  that this is not who you are seeing in April or a Summer Tour etc...

Then let the reformed lineup build their brand with new tracks (if those are on the way)... I think the inclusion of Duff (a former equal and pretty business savvy guy) can give Axl the kick in the ass he needs to not only record new material in a reasonable amount of time, but to 'complete' and release it quickly as well. The 'hired hand' organization of the CD Era didn't really give anyone the 'pull' to give Axl that kick in the ass.

Not to butt in, but....I think having Duff on board has other benefits, too.  His business savy will be VERY helpful in dealing with the label, IMHO.

[sofine11]

This probably won't be a popular opinion, but I'd love to hear Slash on Silkworms, both on a recording, and live.  Really think he would absolutely tear it up.  Something along the lines of a "synthier" version of Perfect Crime if Slash got his hands on it.

[COMAMOTIVE]

This probably won't be a popular opinion, but I'd love to hear Slash on Silkworms, both on a recording, and live.  Really think he would absolutely tear it up.  Something along the lines of a "synthier" version of Perfect Crime if Slash got his hands on it.

I'd love to hear a finished version of this song - but would have to say that this is the type of song I envision Slash having a line in the sand that he won't cross on...

[D-GenerationX]

This probably won't be a popular opinion, but I'd love to hear Slash on Silkworms, both on a recording, and live.  Really think he would absolutely tear it up.  Something along the lines of a "synthier" version of Perfect Crime if Slash got his hands on it.

I'd love to hear a finished version of this song - but would have to say that this is the type of song I envision Slash having a line in the sand that he won't cross on...

Same here.

Its just not the kind of music he makes.

[--DEA--]

Haha! Slash add some solo to cd2.. Not in this lifetime. Silkworms will not fit in if they gonna make a new album.. I hope that they will write real rock songs this time. No more Robin style... Thank god!

[ice cream sand pig]

anybody watch that interview with pittman and the german lady? think its recent?

he mentioned that now is not the time or place to release new music because nobody buys it in reference to tool and gnr. it almost sounded like... definitely not happening for a long time. i could be wrong, but thats what it sounded like to me.

[raindog]

This probably won't be a popular opinion, but I'd love to hear Slash on Silkworms, both on a recording, and live.  Really think he would absolutely tear it up.  Something along the lines of a "synthier" version of Perfect Crime if Slash got his hands on it.

He'd tear it up alright. And throw it in the garbage. Can't see a Slash version of Silkworms happening in a million years. That fan mix version is good though.

[Voodoochild]

anybody watch that interview with pittman and the german lady? think its recent?

he mentioned that now is not the time or place to release new music because nobody buys it in reference to tool and gnr. it almost sounded like... definitely not happening for a long time. i could be wrong, but thats what it sounded like to me.

I didn't see it, but I remember reading about it a couple of years ago.