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Ex-GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler says that he has not been approached by any of his former bandmates about a possible reunion of the classic GN'R lineup and blames the lack of communication in part on the fact that Slash and Duff McKagan don't believe that he is sober.

Slash recently revealed that he and GUNS N' ROSES' lead singer, Axl Rose, had repaired their estranged relationship after nearly 20 years, immediately leading to a storm of speculation about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup.

Asked point blank if he knows anything about a rumored reunion of GUNS N' ROSES' "Appetite For Destruction" lineup, Adler told Eddie Trunk during a September 28 appearance on Trunk's SiriusXM satellite radio show, "Eddie Trunk Live": "Nothing. Even if it was happening, I don't think Slash would tell me, because he knows how excited I get and that I would probably say something before I should. I would be the last one to know."

Adler, who was famously fired from GUNS N' ROSES in 1990 for his rampant drug use, added that part of the reason he hasn't heard anything about a rumored GUNS reunion is the fact that he hasn't been able to convince his former bandmates that he is clean from alcohol and drugs.

"I love those guys, and I always will, but Duff, he doesn't think I'm cool," Adler said. "He doesn't think I'm a cool guy. This is what people tell me. And he doesn't think I'm cool and that I'm not that great of a drummer. And Slash, he doesn't believe that I have 21 months and 21 days sober. He doesn't believe it. I don't know why, but they forget that at one time in their life, they were doing drugs and drinking and they were fucking up. They forget that they were like that too. Duff has got 20 years sober or more, Slash has got, like, 11 or 12 years sober, and I've got a year, nine months and 21 days. So everybody gets it at a different time. I'm just thankful I got it."

He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of J?ger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else? So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."

Asked what the turning point was for him to get his life together and stop going into detoxes and rehabs, Adler said: "I learned from going to meetings with the right people and talking to the right people at AA meetings and stuff, and I got a great sponsor, and we worked it out. My problem was I had resentment towards those guys [GUNS N' ROSES bandmates], and towards other things, and I had abandonment issues. So once I was able to forgive those guys and realize it wasn't them to blame, but me to blame ? I did what I did to me; they didn't do what they did to me; I did it to myself ? and once I started hating them, I was able to? and have some time, 'cause it takes time for the brain to heal after drinking so much. Alcohol fucks your brain up and it takes a good nine, ten, eleven [months or] a year until you actually start thinking clear again. Now I'm just able to live my life and be happy with who I am."

According to Adler, he is still in contact with Slash, but he hasn't been able to convince the guitarist to meet with him in person for quite some time. "I'm always trying to get [Slash] to go to Crossroads, this vegan restaurant," Adler said. "I [tell him], 'Get your girlfriend and come meet me and my wife over? And John 5 [ROB ZOMBIE]. I say, meet me and John 5 and Rita over at Crossroads for brunch or dinner.' [And he writes back] 'Ehh, I can't. I'm working.' I'm going, 'You've gotta be home way more than that. Just come meet with me. Let's go have a cup of coffee.'

Asked if it's true that he recently said that he would kill himself if the classic GUNS N' ROSES lineup reunited without him, Adler said: "I would probably feel like I would wanna kill myself, but I wouldn't. I would probably just kill them. [Laughs] 'Cause if I'm not doing it, they're not doing it. If I'm going down, they're going down."

Adler also expressed frustration over the fact that so many world-famous musicians, including GUNS N' ROSES, can't seem to overcome personal differences and reunite for the sake of their fans.

"I don't understand what the problem is," he said. "We're just rock bands. We all started practicing in our garage or our bedroom. We met each other, and we started playing in our garage, then we worked on songs. This is what we wanted to do. Our dreams came true.

"I don't know why it's so difficult for people that have been successful and still can moderately successful," he continued. "Of course, nobody's gonna be like they were in the '80s; that was our generation. It's a new generation now of music and people and kids. But there are bands like BON JOVI and METALLICA and the GUNS N' ROSES reunion; [if that were to happen] that would be huge."

Adler added: "I don't get it. We just play music. We're living our dream. Why does everybody have to be such a dick and so fucking crazy? It's, like, hey, we play music. When we're together, we play it really great. Let's just do it. What's the problem?"

Despite the fact that he hasn't heard anything about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup, Adler remains optimistic about his future. "Even if the GN'R thing doesn't happen, I'm still gonna do what I'm doing every day," he said. "I'm gonna keep living, being happy, practicing, playing with my band. I wasted enough time in a blackout, in a haze. I'm living now."

I have two takeaways here :

1) There obviously have been some reunion discussions

2) Steven has been told, directly or indirectly, he's out.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2015, 11:40:56 AM »

Wonder if his comments about Duff will make everything between them ok? Is that his plan?





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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2015, 11:42:46 AM »


Wonder if his comments about Duff will make everything between them ok? Is that his plan?


Yeah, seriously.  Not sure he though this through.

Duff is the most level headed of all of them.  If you've lost Duff, you've got troubles.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2015, 01:22:28 PM »

I really feel sorry for Steven. But he does himself no favours by coming out with this type of commentary! He simply highlights his natural stupidity.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2015, 01:32:04 PM »

And I think this shows that if there is something in the offing that does not include Steven, its a group call.

Not just big bad Axl being difficult.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2015, 02:43:58 PM »

Yeah... go after Duff? makes no sense whatsoever.

It's a shame.. I would feel really bad for the guy if he wasn't invited out... but he has nobody to blame.
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2015, 03:06:38 PM »

If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?

Ladies and gentelmen, from Hollywood, a half assed reunion of the now watered down, and politically correct GN?R! featuring the drummer you?ve never heard of because they are afraid the drummer who?s inclusion would be necessary to consider this a true reunion may say something to the media that could hurt your feelings!

They all had a hand in fucking up one of the greatest rock n? roll bands we will ever see, but if they are trotting out yet another C-list lineup, they can keep my ticket.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2015, 03:30:47 PM »

Ladies and gentelmen, from Hollywood, a half assed reunion of the now watered down, and politically correct GN?R! featuring the drummer you?ve never heard of because they are afraid the drummer who?s inclusion would be necessary to consider this a true reunion may say something to the media that could hurt your feelings!

They all had a hand in fucking up one of the greatest rock n? roll bands we will ever see, but if they are trotting out yet another C-list lineup, they can keep my ticket.
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Agree on all fronts.

I think Steven's words are sad for a few reasons, but mostly because he's bought into all the GNR reunion bullshit.  I still refuse to believe that Axl and Slash have even spoken to one another, yet alone are preparing for a reunion.  I fully believe that Steven is responding to all the bullshit in the media about a reunion.  I don't believe for a second there have been any reunion talks between any of the other original members.

Anyone who bothered to listen to the recent radio interview with Steven knows that he just HEARD the same allegations that we've all heard about Slash and Axl reuniting.  That was clear.  He didn't ascertain this news from any official source.....just like nobody else in the world did either.

It's blatantly obvious to me that Slash nonchalantly answered ONE question the wrong way, and the entire world ravenously gobbled it all up..... and they still are.  We don't have a shred of real proof that Slash's "friends with Axl" comment was anything more than another of his famously dismissive reunion responses.  It's so obvious to me that Slash has answered so many reunion questions that he's like a talking robot anymore with those kinds of questions.  He has a programmed answer regardless of how it is worded.

But of course the world can't get enough bullshit, which is why it's sad that Steven feels so bad about it.  Steven is feeling blue about a reunion that is NOT being discussed, and is NOT going to happen even with him on board.

Yep, sad.   Sad  I just wish Slash would come forward and correct the bullshit so this storm would finally die down.
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2015, 03:43:02 PM »

If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?

You obviously don't.
Good for you!

Due to all this recent reunion talk in the media, he's getting to do more interviews. Unfortunately for you, and maybe him, people read/listen to what he says and might not always agree with what was said.



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Ex-GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler says that he has not been approached by any of his former bandmates about a possible reunion of the classic GN'R lineup and blames the lack of communication in part on the fact that Slash and Duff McKagan don't believe that he is sober.

Slash recently revealed that he and GUNS N' ROSES' lead singer, Axl Rose, had repaired their estranged relationship after nearly 20 years, immediately leading to a storm of speculation about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup.

Asked point blank if he knows anything about a rumored reunion of GUNS N' ROSES' "Appetite For Destruction" lineup, Adler told Eddie Trunk during a September 28 appearance on Trunk's SiriusXM satellite radio show, "Eddie Trunk Live": "Nothing. Even if it was happening, I don't think Slash would tell me, because he knows how excited I get and that I would probably say something before I should. I would be the last one to know."

Adler, who was famously fired from GUNS N' ROSES in 1990 for his rampant drug use, added that part of the reason he hasn't heard anything about a rumored GUNS reunion is the fact that he hasn't been able to convince his former bandmates that he is clean from alcohol and drugs.

"I love those guys, and I always will, but Duff, he doesn't think I'm cool," Adler said. "He doesn't think I'm a cool guy. This is what people tell me. And he doesn't think I'm cool and that I'm not that great of a drummer. And Slash, he doesn't believe that I have 21 months and 21 days sober. He doesn't believe it. I don't know why, but they forget that at one time in their life, they were doing drugs and drinking and they were fucking up. They forget that they were like that too. Duff has got 20 years sober or more, Slash has got, like, 11 or 12 years sober, and I've got a year, nine months and 21 days. So everybody gets it at a different time. I'm just thankful I got it."

He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of J?ger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else? So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."

Asked what the turning point was for him to get his life together and stop going into detoxes and rehabs, Adler said: "I learned from going to meetings with the right people and talking to the right people at AA meetings and stuff, and I got a great sponsor, and we worked it out. My problem was I had resentment towards those guys [GUNS N' ROSES bandmates], and towards other things, and I had abandonment issues. So once I was able to forgive those guys and realize it wasn't them to blame, but me to blame ? I did what I did to me; they didn't do what they did to me; I did it to myself ? and once I started hating them, I was able to? and have some time, 'cause it takes time for the brain to heal after drinking so much. Alcohol fucks your brain up and it takes a good nine, ten, eleven [months or] a year until you actually start thinking clear again. Now I'm just able to live my life and be happy with who I am."

According to Adler, he is still in contact with Slash, but he hasn't been able to convince the guitarist to meet with him in person for quite some time. "I'm always trying to get [Slash] to go to Crossroads, this vegan restaurant," Adler said. "I [tell him], 'Get your girlfriend and come meet me and my wife over? And John 5 [ROB ZOMBIE]. I say, meet me and John 5 and Rita over at Crossroads for brunch or dinner.' [And he writes back] 'Ehh, I can't. I'm working.' I'm going, 'You've gotta be home way more than that. Just come meet with me. Let's go have a cup of coffee.'

Asked if it's true that he recently said that he would kill himself if the classic GUNS N' ROSES lineup reunited without him, Adler said: "I would probably feel like I would wanna kill myself, but I wouldn't. I would probably just kill them. [Laughs] 'Cause if I'm not doing it, they're not doing it. If I'm going down, they're going down."

Adler also expressed frustration over the fact that so many world-famous musicians, including GUNS N' ROSES, can't seem to overcome personal differences and reunite for the sake of their fans.

"I don't understand what the problem is," he said. "We're just rock bands. We all started practicing in our garage or our bedroom. We met each other, and we started playing in our garage, then we worked on songs. This is what we wanted to do. Our dreams came true.

"I don't know why it's so difficult for people that have been successful and still can moderately successful," he continued. "Of course, nobody's gonna be like they were in the '80s; that was our generation. It's a new generation now of music and people and kids. But there are bands like BON JOVI and METALLICA and the GUNS N' ROSES reunion; [if that were to happen] that would be huge."

Adler added: "I don't get it. We just play music. We're living our dream. Why does everybody have to be such a dick and so fucking crazy? It's, like, hey, we play music. When we're together, we play it really great. Let's just do it. What's the problem?"

Despite the fact that he hasn't heard anything about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup, Adler remains optimistic about his future. "Even if the GN'R thing doesn't happen, I'm still gonna do what I'm doing every day," he said. "I'm gonna keep living, being happy, practicing, playing with my band. I wasted enough time in a blackout, in a haze. I'm living now."

I have two takeaways here :

1) There obviously have been some reunion discussions

2) Steven has been told, directly or indirectly, he's out.


All around really bizarre interview. But hey! It?s Adler   hihi

So someone told him that Duff doesn`t trust him. Well I think Adler should be more concerned about how Axl feels. Even if Duff loves him with all his heart  it won`t matter to Axl.

It may sound crazy but when it comes to Axl, he may take Adler over to the Sorum. Axl and Sorum never got along. I remeber Sorum being pissed off because in the Live Era booklet he is just an "aditional musician". And in old interviews Axl has said that Sorum never was in the partnership.

Still if he was told something I guess Adler should talk to Duff first instead of giving too much credit to a gossip
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2015, 04:05:02 PM »

Oh to be on the fly on a wall when Axl and Duff and whoever else talk about the future of Guns N Roses.

I'd pay more money to hear those conversations than I would to actually go to the show ! At least close to.
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Ex-GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler says that he has not been approached by any of his former bandmates about a possible reunion of the classic GN'R lineup and blames the lack of communication in part on the fact that Slash and Duff McKagan don't believe that he is sober.

Slash recently revealed that he and GUNS N' ROSES' lead singer, Axl Rose, had repaired their estranged relationship after nearly 20 years, immediately leading to a storm of speculation about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup.

Asked point blank if he knows anything about a rumored reunion of GUNS N' ROSES' "Appetite For Destruction" lineup, Adler told Eddie Trunk during a September 28 appearance on Trunk's SiriusXM satellite radio show, "Eddie Trunk Live": "Nothing. Even if it was happening, I don't think Slash would tell me, because he knows how excited I get and that I would probably say something before I should. I would be the last one to know."

Adler, who was famously fired from GUNS N' ROSES in 1990 for his rampant drug use, added that part of the reason he hasn't heard anything about a rumored GUNS reunion is the fact that he hasn't been able to convince his former bandmates that he is clean from alcohol and drugs.

"I love those guys, and I always will, but Duff, he doesn't think I'm cool," Adler said. "He doesn't think I'm a cool guy. This is what people tell me. And he doesn't think I'm cool and that I'm not that great of a drummer. And Slash, he doesn't believe that I have 21 months and 21 days sober. He doesn't believe it. I don't know why, but they forget that at one time in their life, they were doing drugs and drinking and they were fucking up. They forget that they were like that too. Duff has got 20 years sober or more, Slash has got, like, 11 or 12 years sober, and I've got a year, nine months and 21 days. So everybody gets it at a different time. I'm just thankful I got it."

He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of J?ger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else? So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."

Asked what the turning point was for him to get his life together and stop going into detoxes and rehabs, Adler said: "I learned from going to meetings with the right people and talking to the right people at AA meetings and stuff, and I got a great sponsor, and we worked it out. My problem was I had resentment towards those guys [GUNS N' ROSES bandmates], and towards other things, and I had abandonment issues. So once I was able to forgive those guys and realize it wasn't them to blame, but me to blame ? I did what I did to me; they didn't do what they did to me; I did it to myself ? and once I started hating them, I was able to? and have some time, 'cause it takes time for the brain to heal after drinking so much. Alcohol fucks your brain up and it takes a good nine, ten, eleven [months or] a year until you actually start thinking clear again. Now I'm just able to live my life and be happy with who I am."

According to Adler, he is still in contact with Slash, but he hasn't been able to convince the guitarist to meet with him in person for quite some time. "I'm always trying to get [Slash] to go to Crossroads, this vegan restaurant," Adler said. "I [tell him], 'Get your girlfriend and come meet me and my wife over? And John 5 [ROB ZOMBIE]. I say, meet me and John 5 and Rita over at Crossroads for brunch or dinner.' [And he writes back] 'Ehh, I can't. I'm working.' I'm going, 'You've gotta be home way more than that. Just come meet with me. Let's go have a cup of coffee.'

Asked if it's true that he recently said that he would kill himself if the classic GUNS N' ROSES lineup reunited without him, Adler said: "I would probably feel like I would wanna kill myself, but I wouldn't. I would probably just kill them. [Laughs] 'Cause if I'm not doing it, they're not doing it. If I'm going down, they're going down."

Adler also expressed frustration over the fact that so many world-famous musicians, including GUNS N' ROSES, can't seem to overcome personal differences and reunite for the sake of their fans.

"I don't understand what the problem is," he said. "We're just rock bands. We all started practicing in our garage or our bedroom. We met each other, and we started playing in our garage, then we worked on songs. This is what we wanted to do. Our dreams came true.

"I don't know why it's so difficult for people that have been successful and still can moderately successful," he continued. "Of course, nobody's gonna be like they were in the '80s; that was our generation. It's a new generation now of music and people and kids. But there are bands like BON JOVI and METALLICA and the GUNS N' ROSES reunion; [if that were to happen] that would be huge."

Adler added: "I don't get it. We just play music. We're living our dream. Why does everybody have to be such a dick and so fucking crazy? It's, like, hey, we play music. When we're together, we play it really great. Let's just do it. What's the problem?"

Despite the fact that he hasn't heard anything about a possible reunion of the classic GUNS lineup, Adler remains optimistic about his future. "Even if the GN'R thing doesn't happen, I'm still gonna do what I'm doing every day," he said. "I'm gonna keep living, being happy, practicing, playing with my band. I wasted enough time in a blackout, in a haze. I'm living now."

I have two takeaways here :

1) There obviously have been some reunion discussions

2) Steven has been told, directly or indirectly, he's out.


All around really bizarre interview. But hey! It?s Adler   hihi

So someone told him that Duff doesn`t trust him. Well I think Adler should be more concerned about how Axl feels. Even if Duff loves him with all his heart  it won`t matter to Axl.

It may sound crazy but when it comes to Axl, he may take Adler over to the Sorum. Axl and Sorum never got along. I remeber Sorum being pissed off because in the Live Era booklet he is just an "aditional musician". And in old interviews Axl has said that Sorum never was in the partnership.

Still if he was told something I guess Adler should talk to Duff first instead of giving too much credit to a gossip

I would think the reasons behind Axl's distaste for Matt basically just stem from Matt siding with Slash on most things. I don't know if it was really personal.

Just always thought that.
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2015, 04:25:13 PM »

Dunno. I remeber reading in a interview still during the UYI Tour that Axl said that GN`R were himself, Slash and Duff. They were making the decisions and nobody else. Like from Axl`s point of view Sorum and Gilby were just hired guys. Well they were.
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2015, 04:55:15 PM »


If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?


They do, I suspect.  And I don't blame them.

You also don't need the bullshit if you have other options.  Steven is hardly a one of a kind irreplaceable part of the operation.  Wasn't like the UYI tour struggled to move tickets without the legendary Steven Adler.

No one gave a fuck.

And now, if a miracle happens 20 years later and Axl and Slash actually patch it up, people are going to be unmoved to get off the couch if there is no Steven Adler?

That's a hill you die on?
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2015, 04:55:45 PM »


Due to all this recent reunion talk in the media, he's getting to do more interviews. Unfortunately for you, and maybe him, people read/listen to what he says and might not always agree with what was said.


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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2015, 04:59:18 PM »


I would think the reasons behind Axl's distaste for Matt basically just stem from Matt siding with Slash on most things. I don't know if it was really personal.

Just always thought that.


I got the vibe that since Matt was not there from the beginning, he might have been quicker to question Axl's shenanigans moreso than the others.

I always pictured a lot of variations on this exchange :

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He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of J?ger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else? So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."


Look at those bits in bold.

Now seriously tell me a how a high profile world tour goes.

You best make a back-up agreement with Matt, or Frank, who whoever.  Because you'll probably need them by show #5.
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2015, 05:39:26 PM »


If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?


They do, I suspect.  And I don't blame them.

You also don't need the bullshit if you have other options.  Steven is hardly a one of a kind irreplaceable part of the operation.  Wasn't like the UYI tour struggled to move tickets without the legendary Steven Adler.

No one gave a fuck.

And now, if a miracle happens 20 years later and Axl and Slash actually patch it up, people are going to be unmoved to get off the couch if there is no Steven Adler?

That's a hill you die on?


Not arguing that tickets will fly regardless if Steven is there or not. Doesn?t make it any less of a sham.
Guess it?s just hard for me to understand how fans of Guns N? Roses could be so disinterested in a legitimate reunion.

Steven?s dismissal is when things started going bad for Guns creatively.
Sure, the Illusions were a massive success, as were the tours, and Matt put his stamp on those songs.
That doesn?t change the fact that Steven was behind the kit for AFD, Lies, and the creation of the majority of UYI songs.

Guns N? Roses creatively face planted without Steven and Izzy around.
All they could muster was a cover album.

It couldn?t be more obvious that there was not a singular mastermind pulling the strings of classic GN?R.
It was a collaborative effort. That magic is all but surely gone. But they could still put on an amazing live show. It?s probably all they have to offer at this point, and if I?m paying big money on ?reunion? tickets, I?d prefer to get a reunion show out of it. Not 2/5, or 3/5 of one.

GN?R has served as a great example of what not to do over the past couple of decades.
If a reunion were truly in the cards, it would be nice if they could get it right.
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2015, 06:02:42 PM »


Not arguing that tickets will fly regardless if Steven is there or not. Doesn?t make it any less of a sham.

GN?R has served as a great example of what not to do over the past couple of decades.
If a reunion were truly in the cards, it would be nice if they could get it right.


OK, usually, I'm right with this.

Because, let's face it.  I hate the band.  And why am I even here?

I think this is a bit unfair though.  I agree Axl's has mismanaged things to a New Coke level of marketing failure.

But even a hybridized reunion is him trying to do right by the fans, isn't it?
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2015, 12:38:10 AM »

Steven has the same problem that he had on the VH1 Behind The Music..... Still can't take responsibility for his actions. Always SOMEONE else's fault. which is probably why he can't stay sober.
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He went on to say: "They don't think I'm cool and they don't think I can play drums that great and they don't think I'm sober. Duff, he has a right, in a way, but, like I said, he forgets where he came from too. But we did do some shows [together] in Japan [in 2013], and Duff invited [Steven's current band] ADLER to come down, and I was still drinking then. And the second I got to the airport, I made a beeline for the bar, and I just started doing shots of J?ger. And the whole trip I was sick and I was just a mess. And, you know, Duff's sober and he's very judgmental and forgetful of where he came from. And he was just so bummed and pissed at me. I mean, the playing part, the shows when we actually were performing, that went all right, but everything else? So I kind of ruined it and gave him the excuse to be able to say, 'Well, he's not cool and he's not that good.' But I stopped doing that. They stopped doing that. Just because they stopped doing it before I did doesn't make them any better. We're all people who have addiction problems. I was just able to get a grip on it later on in life than they did."


Look at those bits in bold.

Now seriously tell me a how a high profile world tour goes.

You best make a back-up agreement with Matt, or Frank, who whoever.  Because you'll probably need them by show #5.

This is not the NFL where you have starters and back ups. So eventually the QB or the LB could get benched if they don`t do the job. If they don`t trust Adler then he shouldn`t be asked to join. Unless... He agrees to have Beta by his side 24/7. But it doesn`t sound right.
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2015, 06:05:11 AM »

Wonder if his comments about Duff will make everything between them ok? Is that his plan?

I don't think Steven said anything insanely negative about Duff.  Certainly nothing worse than Axl has said about Slash, but yet people around here seem content to believe they've patched everything up.

He made whatever issues he has with Duff public.



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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2015, 09:07:54 AM »

Wonder if his comments about Duff will make everything between them ok? Is that his plan?

I don't think Steven said anything insanely negative about Duff.  Certainly nothing worse than Axl has said about Slash, but yet people around here seem content to believe they've patched everything up.

He made whatever issues he has with Duff public.



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Exactly.  This guy for whatever reason just can't ever keep his trap shut.  He always makes everything so awkward and weird in his interviews.  It is no wonder nobody has really worked with him professionally since 1990.  Steven just seems to be a real pain in the ass.  He is a like a teenager with no filter that just says every single thing that pops into his brain.

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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2015, 09:32:04 AM »


If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?


They do, I suspect.  And I don't blame them.

You also don't need the bullshit if you have other options.  Steven is hardly a one of a kind irreplaceable part of the operation.  Wasn't like the UYI tour struggled to move tickets without the legendary Steven Adler.

No one gave a fuck.

And now, if a miracle happens 20 years later and Axl and Slash actually patch it up, people are going to be unmoved to get off the couch if there is no Steven Adler?

That's a hill you die on?


Not arguing that tickets will fly regardless if Steven is there or not. Doesn?t make it any less of a sham.
Guess it?s just hard for me to understand how fans of Guns N? Roses could be so disinterested in a legitimate reunion.

Steven?s dismissal is when things started going bad for Guns creatively.
Sure, the Illusions were a massive success, as were the tours, and Matt put his stamp on those songs.
That doesn?t change the fact that Steven was behind the kit for AFD, Lies, and the creation of the majority of UYI songs.

Guns N? Roses creatively face planted without Steven and Izzy around.


I disagree  as I thought the "Illusions" were their best album, and Steven has very little to do with them.  How many songwriting credits did he have?  I know "AFD" credited all 5 band members with songwriting credits, but in your opinion how much do you think Steven Adler contributed to that?  Yes he sat behind the drum kit, great, how many lyrics or choruses did he write?   If you feel the band took a turn for the worse creatively after Izzy left thats an argument that could be made as he was a main songwriter.  But are you saying GNR "creatively face planted" because  Steven Adler left?  Really?  You don't think that might be more of a timely coincidence? 

Dave Mustaine  wrote most of "Kill Em All" and did way more than "sit behind a drum kit" for some ideas that appeared on later Metallica records.  He gets kicked out and immediately creates a new band that becomes one of the most successful metal bands of all time.  If anyone deserves retroactive credit for what a band did after he left it is him, he actually created the style of music Metallica went on to play.  Steven on the other hand is more of someone who was in the right place at the right time.  That is not to rip on Steven, but he has offered little else to prove otherwise.
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Some of the UYI songs were written during the AFD days or even before that album was made. For example Back Off Bitch, Bad Obsession, Don`t Cry, YCBM, NR.

Adler has recorded demos and rehearsals of UYI songs. Don`t Cry and Back Off Bitch were performed live during the club days

UYI songs were not unfamiliar at all for Adler
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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2015, 10:14:54 AM »

Some of the UYI songs were written during the AFD days or even before that album was made. For example Back Off Bitch, Bad Obsession, Don`t Cry, YCBM, NR.

Adler has recorded demos and rehearsals of UYI songs. Don`t Cry and Back Off Bitch were performed live during the club days

UYI songs were not unfamiliar at all for Adler

The UYI songs are not unfamiliar to me either, doesn't mean I had anything to do with writing them.  I know he was there but what was he contributing?  That's my question.  By all accounts from books and interviews over the years he was just the drummer playing songs the other guys wrote.

Did he contribute anything more than a session drummer would have?  Once again I'm not trying to hate on Steven but it seems his importance to GNR is overstated from time to time.  I think a reunion of the Illusion line up is a legit reunion.  I don't see it as half assed cause Steven isn't there.
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Some of the UYI songs were written during the AFD days or even before that album was made. For example Back Off Bitch, Bad Obsession, Don`t Cry, YCBM, NR.

Adler has recorded demos and rehearsals of UYI songs. Don`t Cry and Back Off Bitch were performed live during the club days

UYI songs were not unfamiliar at all for Adler

The UYI songs are not unfamiliar to me either, doesn't mean I had anything to do with writing them.  I know he was there but what was he contributing?  That's my question.  By all accounts from books and interviews over the years he was just the drummer playing songs the other guys wrote.

For that matter Sorum didn`t contribute that much either with songwriting. So if your problem is songwriting then I guess you have a problem with Sorum as well.

Adler?s main contribution is in the sound of the AFD songs
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2015, 10:56:04 AM »

For that matter Sorum didn`t contribute that much either with songwriting. So if your problem is songwriting then I guess you have a problem with Sorum as well.

Adler?s main contribution is in the sound of the AFD songs

In GN'R, he played drums. He has written songs for other bands though.



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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2015, 11:19:52 AM »

My honest takeaway from this thread.  Steven Adler will not be involved in a reunion tour whatsoever should it happen.  I could see him doing a one-off (or two-off) show before or after an actual tour.
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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2015, 11:42:37 AM »


Exactly.  This guy for whatever reason just can't ever keep his trap shut.  He always makes everything so awkward and weird in his interviews.  It is no wonder nobody has really worked with him professionally since 1990.  Steven just seems to be a real pain in the ass.  He is a like a teenager with no filter that just says every single thing that pops into his brain.


Totally agree.

If he's this amazing drummer and such essential personnel, how come he's done fuck all in 25 plus years?

And don't give me whatever bar band he's assembled.  If he's so great, how come no one putting a band together ever looks his way?

But, more important than all of that, Steven is a pain in the ass.  He IS like a god damn child.  Who needs that, if you are the other guys?  A guy still getting shitfaced at airport bars?  This is a guy in control?
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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2015, 01:40:14 PM »


ahah...well...that's why I like him and I like drummers in general...they speak their minds, no filter, no corporate bullshit.

these guys are friends for so long, I don't see that kind of declaration a source of huge problems...I could be wrong,
but IF a reunion takes place, it would be silly to not include him. more dangerous maybe...but GNR had some reputation
in the past so...if he's ok to tour with the rest of the guys, and not having a bad influence on Duff & Slash at a drug level...
I'm sure he could do the job, and imagine the energy onstage of a guy who waited all these years praying he will play
again in the band...


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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2015, 01:50:15 PM »

They're not 23 anymore though.  At some point, you do have to grow up a bit.
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2015, 01:55:24 PM »

depends if you want to be in a rock n'roll band, or an entertainment one.
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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2015, 02:02:41 PM »


depends if you want to be in a rock n'roll band, or an entertainment one.


At this level, its a business.  The 5 starry eyed kids coming to save rock n' roll...that shit has been over for some time.

So anyone that is going to jeopardize the business, you don't need.
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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2015, 02:09:48 PM »

Adler makes me cringe. He is just so bloody stupid (or appears to be at least!). I find it hard to believe Slash, Axl or Duff wanting to put up with this guy on a tour let along a press conference. I find it more likely they will ask Matt. The one thing that Adler said that I do agree with is that I don't think Gilby will be involved either!
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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2015, 02:20:39 PM »

depends if you want to be in a rock n'roll band, or an entertainment one.

And he was fired why?
He was living the sex, drugs and rock n' roll life. so why didn't they want him in the band?




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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2015, 03:39:36 PM »

Yeah, and as I've already said, they were rather mild at best.  Axl has made many issues with Slash very public-- including his infamous "cancer" comment.  Yet some people can buy into the fact that Axl and Slash can mend fences despite everything they've said publicly about each other, but you think Steven's (rather tame) comments about Duff are unforgivable?

Ok.

A. Why do you feel the need to bring up Axl? He's got nothing to do with this topic. Your wish to try to steer the topic away from the actual topic has been denied. Different topic altogether.
B. Steven says Duff took him on tour and he let Duff down. Now, do you think this comment is good for their relationship? Duff tried to help out, and this is the thanks he gets? Good? You tell me. I don't know.
C. What does it say about him when he airs his friendship issues in public? Slash doesn't wanna get a coffee with him. Does that say something about Slash, or does it say something about Steven for making it a public thing?
D. No, this has nothing to do with what happened between Axl and Slash.




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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2015, 04:20:23 PM »

Steven is unstable and can turn on a dime.

Slash is supposed to be his brother from another mother, right?  Didn't stop Steven's tantrum when he asked Matt to appear on something instead of him.
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« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2015, 04:23:11 PM »

Sigh.   no

No it doesn't.  The point was that people on this thread are acting like it's the end of the world that Steven made mild comments about Duff disapproving on his past drinking and such, acting like everything was an unpardonable sin between them of two of them. 

Nobody's saying that. I see people saying that Steven's just doing what he's always done. Talking too much.
And that it might not be helping his case!

That's all people are saying.


Yeah, no need to bring up Axl. Slash has said things about Steven over the years. They've played together since, but he still doesn't wanna go out for coffee...... Allegedly.



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« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2015, 05:27:05 PM »

Some of the UYI songs were written during the AFD days or even before that album was made. For example Back Off Bitch, Bad Obsession, Don`t Cry, YCBM, NR.

Adler has recorded demos and rehearsals of UYI songs. Don`t Cry and Back Off Bitch were performed live during the club days

UYI songs were not unfamiliar at all for Adler

The UYI songs are not unfamiliar to me either, doesn't mean I had anything to do with writing them.  I know he was there but what was he contributing?  That's my question.  By all accounts from books and interviews over the years he was just the drummer playing songs the other guys wrote.

For that matter Sorum didn`t contribute that much either with songwriting. So if your problem is songwriting then I guess you have a problem with Sorum as well.

Adler?s main contribution is in the sound of the AFD songs

I don't have a problem with Sorum or Adler for that matter.  I was responding to the idea that is would be a half assed reunion if Adler wasn't involved.  In fact I can't think of any scenario where Adler WOULD be involved.  I think only Steven and Eddie Trunk think that he has any shot at getting the gig.  Let's be real here.  He is the worst drummer the band ever had by a significant margin and he is a completely unreliable pain in the ass.  You can romanticize the fact that he played on "Appetite" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that he blew his chance and Matt stepped in seemlessy and delivered every night for years. Also just read the stuff he has said about his ex band mates over the years, hard to feel bad or defend this guy. Duffs comments if accurate were spot on.
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If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?


They do, I suspect.  And I don't blame them.

You also don't need the bullshit if you have other options.  Steven is hardly a one of a kind irreplaceable part of the operation.  Wasn't like the UYI tour struggled to move tickets without the legendary Steven Adler.

No one gave a fuck.

And now, if a miracle happens 20 years later and Axl and Slash actually patch it up, people are going to be unmoved to get off the couch if there is no Steven Adler?

That's a hill you die on?


Not arguing that tickets will fly regardless if Steven is there or not. Doesn?t make it any less of a sham.
Guess it?s just hard for me to understand how fans of Guns N? Roses could be so disinterested in a legitimate reunion.

Steven?s dismissal is when things started going bad for Guns creatively.
Sure, the Illusions were a massive success, as were the tours, and Matt put his stamp on those songs.
That doesn?t change the fact that Steven was behind the kit for AFD, Lies, and the creation of the majority of UYI songs.

Guns N? Roses creatively face planted without Steven and Izzy around.


I disagree  as I thought the "Illusions" were their best album, and Steven has very little to do with them.  How many songwriting credits did he have?  I know "AFD" credited all 5 band members with songwriting credits, but in your opinion how much do you think Steven Adler contributed to that?  Yes he sat behind the drum kit, great, how many lyrics or choruses did he write?   If you feel the band took a turn for the worse creatively after Izzy left thats an argument that could be made as he was a main songwriter.  But are you saying GNR "creatively face planted" because  Steven Adler left?  Really?  You don't think that might be more of a timely coincidence? 

Dave Mustaine  wrote most of "Kill Em All" and did way more than "sit behind a drum kit" for some ideas that appeared on later Metallica records.  He gets kicked out and immediately creates a new band that becomes one of the most successful metal bands of all time.  If anyone deserves retroactive credit for what a band did after he left it is him, he actually created the style of music Metallica went on to play.  Steven on the other hand is more of someone who was in the right place at the right time.  That is not to rip on Steven, but he has offered little else to prove otherwise.

If you think the Illusions are their best albums, you won?t get much of an argument from me.
But saying Adler has very little to do with them simply isn?t true. He was there for AFD, Lies, and the bones of most, if not all of the Illusions.
I don?t doubt that Sorum helped develop their sound, but it?s easier to add to, than to create, and Adler was involved in the creative process.
How much so? Hard to say.
But what we know for sure is, he basically had a hand in every album the majority of GN?R fans care about.
Spaghetti and Chinese are after thoughts in comparison.

His dismissal undoubtedly affected the chemistry of the band.
Izzy said the band was never the same without him. I believe he said it made his decision to leave the band easier, and when Izzy left, they were done from a creative standpoint.

Mustaine isn?t an apples to apples comparison. He is out in front. Megadeth is his band. It?s easier to quantify what he brings to the table.

What Steven has done since GN?R doesn?t prove anything in my opinion. If it were, one could easily point to any of the alumni?s post Illusions output.
I like/love at least a few songs from Izzy?s solo albums, Slash, VR, Chinese, but wouldn?t hold that material up against classic Guns.
Some here might, but 99.9% of GN?Rs fan base doesn?t. Those albums won?t be making any all time great records lists.

All 5 of them were at the right place at the right time.
With the benefit of hindsight, it?s easy trace back to where it all started to go wrong.

I think deep down they all have to know they have never been as good as they were when they were altogether.
Live, sure they didn?t lose much with Sorum, and I?d love to see him as part of the reunion.
But from a creative standpoint, give me Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven.

It would be cool to route for those 5, 6 to kill it on stage or in studio again.
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« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2015, 05:56:27 PM »

depends if you want to be in a rock n'roll band, or an entertainment one.

And he was fired why?
He was living the sex, drugs and rock n' roll life. so why didn't they want him in the band?




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because he pushed it too far, apparently...plus, I always had the impression that he had some
pretty nasty frequentations involving him in some bad stuff. probably more personal reasons,
like the episode about Erin...but well, that was 25 years ago, anyone can change (I hope)
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« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2015, 06:00:24 PM »


depends if you want to be in a rock n'roll band, or an entertainment one.


At this level, its a business.  The 5 starry eyed kids coming to save rock n' roll...that shit has been over for some time.

So anyone that is going to jeopardize the business, you don't need.

sure sure that's a business...but it's also an opportunity to the guys to act like a real rock band, to go back where
they started, to feel that energy again and still not compromise...not a cashing machine

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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2015, 07:06:03 PM »

because he pushed it too far, apparently..

So you see, it's not only about being in a rock band and being cool...





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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2015, 09:50:48 PM »

Steven has shown time and time again that he's not reliable. I could see him playing two or three songs at the encore in a some gigs, but nothing more.

It was the same story with Sabbath. Bill is not reliable and the only way for him to tour with the band is with a backup drummer and he won't accept that, and that is why he's out.
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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2015, 08:42:46 AM »

You know... this makes for great water cooler talk... but I don't think Steve needs to worry too much about what Duff thinks of him...

No matter how they would agree to move forward with the business of GNR...

Does anybody actually think anything will get done without Axl having final say ?
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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2015, 09:20:57 AM »


You know... this makes for great water cooler talk... but I don't think Steve needs to worry too much about what Duff thinks of him...

No matter how they would agree to move forward with the business of GNR...

Does anybody actually think anything will get done without Axl having final say ?


Of course not.

But if Steven doesn't even have Slash or Duff in his corner, he truly has no shot.
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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2015, 09:34:55 AM »


You know... this makes for great water cooler talk... but I don't think Steve needs to worry too much about what Duff thinks of him...

No matter how they would agree to move forward with the business of GNR...

Does anybody actually think anything will get done without Axl having final say ?


Of course not.

But if Steven doesn't even have Slash or Duff in his corner, he truly has no shot.

Most likely true.

Personally... I prefer Matt... I like the guy... but if it happens.. It would be cool to see Steven get to step in once in a while.

I don't hold his demons against him, but he needs to understand if and when it happens without him, that it's of his own doing.



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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2015, 01:59:23 PM »

Steven is the worst drummer the band ever had by a significant margin and he is a completely unreliable pain in the ass. Matt stepped in seemless

Well, we all know opinions are opinions, and THOSE are some opinions!   hihi

My own opinions are the polar opposite.... I have always said that Steven would be regarded today as one of the greatest rock n roll drummers if he hadn't fucked himself up on drugs.  I'm not going to deny that Steven blew his chance and that was his fault, but that doesn't diminish his swing and groove that helped make GNR what it was.

As far as Sorum taking over seamlessly as you (and Billie Joe Armstrong) seem to think, I say bollocks.  Sorum always sounded like a drum machine, either studio or live.  No GNR song ever sounded the same with him behind the drums, and I always felt like Sorum was a placeholder until Steven resumed his rightful place.  (Of course, this was back in the 1990s when I was still Using My Illusions and thinking the original 5 would reunite at some point.  hihi)

Steven's dismissal undoubtedly affected the chemistry of the band.
Izzy said the band was never the same without him. I believe he said it made his decision to leave the band easier, and when Izzy left, they were done from a creative standpoint

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I like/love at least a few songs from Izzy?s solo albums, Slash, VR, Chinese, but wouldn?t hold that material up against classic Guns.
Some here might, but 99.9% of GN?Rs fan base doesn?t. Those albums won?t be making any all time great records lists

I concur.  I'm not going to argue that Steven has done something exorbitant musically since leaving GNR, although I did enjoy his debut album with Adler.  But aside from touring (Duff, Slash, and sometimes Axl), none of the others has done much either.  Izzy never tours and releases tons of albums that have never grabbed me at all.  Duff has Loaded, another band I can't listen to (the fact that Duff sings just kills it).  Velvet Revolver was the strongest outfit of ex-Gunners yet, but died almost immediately, releasing one good album and one terrible album before breaking up just 3-4 years after debuting.  Slash's Snakepit was hot and cold, but mostly cold.  Slash's solo work has been rushed and mostly mediocre, in my view.  The first two albums were decent to good but World on Fire was mostly fucking terrible.  And then there was Chinese Democracy, another hot and mostly cold effort in my book.

So overall, the original Guns N Roses was the sum of its parts.  Even on their best days, no original GNR member can claim a triumphant equal, let alone consistency, to his former work.
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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2015, 02:32:51 PM »

So prefer the live 'Mr. Brownstone' from the Ritz show (which sounds like its being played at double time) to any of the UYI tour live versions that has more of a groove?
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« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2015, 02:36:01 PM »

So prefer the live 'Mr. Brownstone' from the Ritz show (which sounds like its being played at double time) to any of the UYI tour live versions that has more of a groove?

All versions of "Mr. Brownstone" that I've ever heard Sorum play sound like clank and smash, and as opposed to rhythmic, whether it's during the UYI tour or at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.  It's like Sorum feels that splitting the drums in half is more effective than playing the song.
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« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2015, 03:36:49 PM »

because he pushed it too far, apparently..

So you see, it's not only about being in a rock band and being cool...





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sure...maybe I try to defend him because he's the weak one  Smiley
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« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2015, 04:59:50 PM »

And I think sometimes it's better to keep personal issues private. His best friend from his days in GN'R doesn't wanna hang out with him. Does the world need to know this?
If this interview helps, and they become best friends again, then congrats to Steven!

If not, maybe it would've been better to wait until Slash had time for that coffee....



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« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2015, 08:58:51 PM »


Izzy wont come without Steven I think.

Like rof...


All versions of "Mr. Brownstone" that I've ever heard Sorum play sound like clank and smash, and as opposed to rhythmic, whether it's during the UYI tour or at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. 

Yeah, and he (Steven) has a vigorous tempo, think about you for example.


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« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2015, 06:04:23 AM »

And I think sometimes it's better to keep personal issues private. His best friend from his days in GN'R doesn't wanna hang out with him. Does the world need to know this?
If this interview helps, and they become best friends again, then congrats to Steven!

If not, maybe it would've been better to wait until Slash had time for that coffee....



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Yes, but Steven has always been outspoken. That`s how he is. If he feels sad because Slash and Duff don`t care about him. He is gonna say that they hurt his feelings.

Do Slash and Duff have any obligation to be friends with Steven? Of course not! But that won`t stop Adler from going public about it.

In my view the problem is that Adler is giving too much credit to something that somebody else told him. Before going public I think Steven needs to ask Slash and Duff if there was any true about things he was told.

And in my personal opini?n I believe that Slash, Duff, Axl and Izzy don`t have the right to cast the first stone against Adler nor against each other.

All of them have many skeletons in the closet. And all of them have fucked up big time in different ways. It is like they are saying "yeah I fucked up but Adler did worst" That doesn`t mean they have some moral superiority over Adler.
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« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2015, 06:25:14 AM »

You can be outspoken but still keep certain things private. Which he does.

And yes, we don't even know if these things he mentioned are actually 100% true.


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« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2015, 08:31:59 AM »

If think the only criteria should be if Adler is still capable of playing the songs.
Who gives a shit what he says to the media?

Ladies and gentelmen, from Hollywood, a half assed reunion of the now watered down, and politically correct GN?R! featuring the drummer you?ve never heard of because they are afraid the drummer who?s inclusion would be necessary to consider this a true reunion may say something to the media that could hurt your feelings!

They all had a hand in fucking up one of the greatest rock n? roll bands we will ever see, but if they are trotting out yet another C-list lineup, they can keep my ticket.
I got your back, Steve! (Until tickets go on sale).


Exactly watered down gnr is right. it would be a let down. Just like Can Halen reuniting without Michael Anthony.

I think the best way to do it with justice to the songs is to have both Steven and Matt. Matt plays the illusions stuff. Bongos, background vocals & some acoustic guitar when Steven Plays.

It's been done before. See Samhain

Of course this only happens if Steven stays sober longer. Another slip up as the reunion grows near would put an end to him playing with gnr forever.

Then again Stevens mom will be a major pain in the ass about all the legalities. Maybe it's best to not have have back in he band permanently but just be a guest at a few shows and play some AFD. Or maybe there is a way to keep him on but as a par time member.  I think he would sign off on that and be happy
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Then again Stevens mom will be a major pain in the ass about all the legalities. Maybe it's best to not have have back in he band permanently but just be a guest at a few shows and play some AFD. Or maybe there is a way to keep him on but as a par time member.  I think he would sign off on that and be happy


I believe Axl said that very thing, right?  That his mother was an even bigger pain in the ass than he was?

As for him being happy with a part time role, I can't see it.  He'll bitch and moan.
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« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2015, 01:50:38 PM »

I thought I Read that he would have no issues splitting time with Matt.  I get the feeling he would be thrilled being let into the circle again. He still needs to earn their trust before having any legal say in the matter. If he were to slip up the show would go on with Matt.
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« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2015, 09:08:32 PM »

Steven doesn't have the clout or standing to talk like this. He needs to keep quiet, sober, and do his best to earn his way back into whatever.

Yes his drumming on Appetite is amazing.
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« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2015, 01:57:13 PM »

Adler certianly not doing himself favors talking like this.   

Not to take away what he did on AFD, but I can't imagine Slash, Duff, or Axl being very eager to have much involvement with him.
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Then again Stevens mom will be a major pain in the ass about all the legalities. Maybe it's best to not have have back in he band permanently but just be a guest at a few shows and play some AFD. Or maybe there is a way to keep him on but as a par time member.  I think he would sign off on that and be happy


I believe Axl said that very thing, right?  That his mother was an even bigger pain in the ass than he was?

As for him being happy with a part time role, I can't see it.  He'll bitch and moan.

He seemed very happy and control and the RRHOF

Where he shared the stage with Matt

The problem with Steven isn't his playing... 

Its that first big pay cheque and mega touring on the road...   Both may be trouble

Its also his look...   He doesn't look healthy   Hard to advertise

I would just go with Brian or Frank
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« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2015, 04:31:38 PM »

I think Adler looks pretty damn good, especially for his age, will be too bad if he's not involved in a reunion, hope he makes it, he's my fave GNR drummer.
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