[UPDATES] The Apollo Theater ? New York, NY ? July 20, 2017

[Lord Stan]

WHAT "situation"
It's in YOUR head, nowhere else.
Are you owed something???

Splash

/Mike

No one is owed anything. But for a very long time you wait for a birthday party and there is a buzz with some billboards and all.

And then you get nothing. I don't have any kids but wouldn't want to be in a situation where friends are invited and no one comes. Everything prepared for at least 15 kids and just no one comes and you have your birthday on your own.

What are you even talking about?

What is the question? Axl runs the same show all around the world, some I went to, and then returns to his country of birth and has nothing special to deliver.

I understand you Americans don't travel the world and only go to your local gig and then it must be the same.

[Ginger King]

Not a lot of surprises with this band anymore, folks.  And that didn't start last week.

All I wanted out of this show was a great recording, in great quality, that I could put on my iPod.  I assume I will have that, so I am good to go.

As for the people with gripes, I'd argue that your expectations are ridiculous.  Can you sit here and stomp your feet about how they didn't play 'Pretty Tied Up' or 'Bad Obsession'?  I guess you could.  But I'd come right back and tell you that 'Pretty Tied Up' was last played in April 1992, and 'Bad Obsession' was last played in February 1993. 

So if you truly thought there was a good chance of either of those creeping into the setlist last night, you are living in god damn fantasyland.

I also don't get the "false advertising" gripe...because they showed the AFD cross in Times Square, that meant the "original" 5 were coming back and they were going to play AFD from beginning to end?  Christ, Beta even said Izzy and Steven wouldn't be there.  I get that we all have our wish list (Axl still hasn't called me up on stage (yet)), but claiming the band misled you in some way is nonsense.

And, not to ruin the North American tour for anyone...but the setlist is going to be the same that was played last night (and for the past 18 months and change), IMO of course.  Try to deal with those emotions now. 

[Dr. Blutarsky]

WHAT "situation"
It's in YOUR head, nowhere else.
Are you owed something???

Splash

/Mike

No one is owed anything. But for a very long time you wait for a birthday party and there is a buzz with some billboards and all.

And then you get nothing. I don't have any kids but wouldn't want to be in a situation where friends are invited and no one comes. Everything prepared for at least 15 kids and just no one comes and you have your birthday on your own.

What are you even talking about?

I don't know but now I'm pissed cause i want a fucking cake 

I was told that there would be cake.

Id like to have it and eat it too.

[allwaystired]

Not a lot of surprises with this band anymore, folks.  And that didn't start last week.

All I wanted out of this show was a great recording, in great quality, that I could put on my iPod.  I assume I will have that, so I am good to go.

As for the people with gripes, I'd argue that your expectations are ridiculous.  Can you sit here and stomp your feet about how they didn't play 'Pretty Tied Up' or 'Bad Obsession'?  I guess you could.  But I'd come right back and tell you that 'Pretty Tied Up' was last played in April 1992, and 'Bad Obsession' was last played in February 1993. 

So if you truly thought there was a good chance of either of those creeping into the setlist last night, you are living in god damn fantasyland.

I also don't get the "false advertising" gripe...because they showed the AFD cross in Times Square, that meant the "original" 5 were coming back and they were going to play AFD from beginning to end?  Christ, Beta even said Izzy and Steven wouldn't be there.  I get that we all have our wish list (Axl still hasn't called me up on stage (yet)), but claiming the band misled you in some way is nonsense.

And, not to ruin the North American tour for anyone...but the setlist is going to be the same that was played last night (and for the past 18 months and change), IMO of course.  Try to deal with those emotions now. 

You've got to admit those posters were pretty weird though right? I mean, why bother? All it did was raise people's expectations. If you're not celebrating Appetite's 30th, OK cool, just do a show- no problem. But putting them up? People are going to start speculating, naturally.

It's similar to the hype they let build up with the 'big announcement', which was more shows added. It makes no sense, and just fuels disappointment.

[D-GenerationX]

And, not to ruin the North American tour for anyone...but the setlist is going to be the same that was played last night (and for the past 18 months and change), IMO of course.  Try to deal with those emotions now. 

Pretty much.  I have my ticket for October 8th, and I can pretty much already tell you the setlist, within a song or two.

People need to live in the now, not the in the days of wayback.

Mike Tyson didn't wind up fighting Lennox Lewis until 2002.  Mike was long past his best.  But people still thought he could go in there and wreck Lennox's shit.  To which Lennox said :

"People expect the guy that tore Michael Spinks apart in 91 seconds.  That was 1988.  Mike hasn't been that guy in a long, long time."

And it's the same thing here.  This is not "The Most Dangerous Band In The World" anymore, and hasn't been for decades.  To expect them to suddenyl revert right back to that out of nowhere is just not realistic.

[JAEBALL]

I was surprised they didn't pack in more Appetite songs last night... especially after Trunk said they were rehearsing stuff they hadn't played in a while.

But when did the band advertise this as an Appetite reunion or anniversary show? They really didn't...

This was a SIRIUS thing... that happened to line up at a perfect time before the US leg ... and it was great promotion to sell more tickets and advertising for Sirius... that's all


The sound quality even on my phone (the Sirius app) was awesome!

[pilferk]

I was told that there would be cake.

Id like to have it and eat it too.

To quote GLaDOS: "The cake is a lie!"

[sofine11]

Not a lot of surprises with this band anymore, folks.  And that didn't start last week.

All I wanted out of this show was a great recording, in great quality, that I could put on my iPod.  I assume I will have that, so I am good to go.

As for the people with gripes, I'd argue that your expectations are ridiculous.  Can you sit here and stomp your feet about how they didn't play 'Pretty Tied Up' or 'Bad Obsession'?  I guess you could.  But I'd come right back and tell you that 'Pretty Tied Up' was last played in April 1992, and 'Bad Obsession' was last played in February 1993. 

So if you truly thought there was a good chance of either of those creeping into the setlist last night, you are living in god damn fantasyland.

I also don't get the "false advertising" gripe...because they showed the AFD cross in Times Square, that meant the "original" 5 were coming back and they were going to play AFD from beginning to end?  Christ, Beta even said Izzy and Steven wouldn't be there.  I get that we all have our wish list (Axl still hasn't called me up on stage (yet)), but claiming the band misled you in some way is nonsense.

And, not to ruin the North American tour for anyone...but the setlist is going to be the same that was played last night (and for the past 18 months and change), IMO of course.  Try to deal with those emotions now. 

You've got to admit those posters were pretty weird though right? I mean, why bother? All it did was raise people's expectations. If you're not celebrating Appetite's 30th, OK cool, just do a show- no problem. But putting them up? People are going to start speculating, naturally.

It's similar to the hype they let build up with the 'big announcement', which was more shows added. It makes no sense, and just fuels disappointment.

I do agree that those signs were a bit misleading in terms of fans expecting something, anything, different about this particular show.  That is, labeling the show a celebration of "AFD30".  Whether is was done innocently as a nod to the timing of the show, or done to shadily create media buzz remains to be seen.

That said, I don't get the torches and pitchforks about the setlist(s).  The new 2016 additions like Coma, DTJ and Slash & Duff putting their spins on the Chinese era tracks I think is, in the band's mind, them "shaking it up" and taking it to each new crowd/city.  They shouldn't have to take into account the keyboard warriors who are waiting in the wings after each show to moan about the setlist.

This show is now well into the top 10 grossing tours OF ALL TIME. They're obviously doing something very, very right and yes that includes the setlist.  

[JAEBALL]

Not a lot of surprises with this band anymore, folks.  And that didn't start last week.

All I wanted out of this show was a great recording, in great quality, that I could put on my iPod.  I assume I will have that, so I am good to go.

As for the people with gripes, I'd argue that your expectations are ridiculous.  Can you sit here and stomp your feet about how they didn't play 'Pretty Tied Up' or 'Bad Obsession'?  I guess you could.  But I'd come right back and tell you that 'Pretty Tied Up' was last played in April 1992, and 'Bad Obsession' was last played in February 1993. 

So if you truly thought there was a good chance of either of those creeping into the setlist last night, you are living in god damn fantasyland.

I also don't get the "false advertising" gripe...because they showed the AFD cross in Times Square, that meant the "original" 5 were coming back and they were going to play AFD from beginning to end?  Christ, Beta even said Izzy and Steven wouldn't be there.  I get that we all have our wish list (Axl still hasn't called me up on stage (yet)), but claiming the band misled you in some way is nonsense.

And, not to ruin the North American tour for anyone...but the setlist is going to be the same that was played last night (and for the past 18 months and change), IMO of course.  Try to deal with those emotions now. 

You've got to admit those posters were pretty weird though right? I mean, why bother? All it did was raise people's expectations. If you're not celebrating Appetite's 30th, OK cool, just do a show- no problem. But putting them up? People are going to start speculating, naturally.

It's similar to the hype they let build up with the 'big announcement', which was more shows added. It makes no sense, and just fuels disappointment.

I do agree that those signs were a bit misleading in terms of fans expecting something, anything, different about this particular show.  That is, labeling the show a celebration of "AFD30".  Whether is was done innocently as a nod to the timing of the show, or done to shadily create media buzz remains to be seen.

That said, I don't get the torches and pitchforks about the setlist(s).  The new 2016 additions like Coma, DTJ and Slash & Duff putting their spins on the Chinese era tracks I think is, in the band's mind, them "shaking it up" and taking it to each new crowd/city.  They shouldn't have to take into account the keyboard warriors who are waiting in the wings after each show to moan about the setlist.

This show is now well into the top 10 grossing tours OF ALL TIME. They're obviously doing something very, very right and yes that includes the setlist.  

The set list complains are mind boggling....we all have personal preferences... yeah there's one or two more covers in there then I'd prefer... but holy hell...

If you re a GNR fan...especially one who completely supported CD... what the hell is there to complain about? the set list provides all the hits, some deep cuts, CD songs.... what... is the problem...

[johnreed3344]

GNR added more shows this morning......a 3rd MSG, a Prudential Center NJ, Hartford....

[pilferk]

GNR added more shows this morning......a 3rd MSG, a Prudential Center NJ, Hartford....

WAIT...WHAT? HARTFORD???!!!!

WHEN!!!

EDIT: I'M BACK FROM DENVER BEFORE THAT SHOW!!! WOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Breaking out the credit card in T-minus 105 minutes!

[D-GenerationX]

The beginning of a tour...that's your setlist, pretty much.  Perhaps the odd swapping of a song or two for another song or two, but that's about it.

People have a gripe if there is a NITL 2.0 tour in 3 years.  But not while NITL 1.0 is still going on.

[JAEBALL]

GNR added more shows this morning......a 3rd MSG, a Prudential Center NJ, Hartford....

This band is going to break my bank account.

[sofine11]

Not a lot of surprises with this band anymore, folks.  And that didn't start last week.

All I wanted out of this show was a great recording, in great quality, that I could put on my iPod.  I assume I will have that, so I am good to go.

As for the people with gripes, I'd argue that your expectations are ridiculous.  Can you sit here and stomp your feet about how they didn't play 'Pretty Tied Up' or 'Bad Obsession'?  I guess you could.  But I'd come right back and tell you that 'Pretty Tied Up' was last played in April 1992, and 'Bad Obsession' was last played in February 1993. 

So if you truly thought there was a good chance of either of those creeping into the setlist last night, you are living in god damn fantasyland.

I also don't get the "false advertising" gripe...because they showed the AFD cross in Times Square, that meant the "original" 5 were coming back and they were going to play AFD from beginning to end?  Christ, Beta even said Izzy and Steven wouldn't be there.  I get that we all have our wish list (Axl still hasn't called me up on stage (yet)), but claiming the band misled you in some way is nonsense.

And, not to ruin the North American tour for anyone...but the setlist is going to be the same that was played last night (and for the past 18 months and change), IMO of course.  Try to deal with those emotions now. 

You've got to admit those posters were pretty weird though right? I mean, why bother? All it did was raise people's expectations. If you're not celebrating Appetite's 30th, OK cool, just do a show- no problem. But putting them up? People are going to start speculating, naturally.

It's similar to the hype they let build up with the 'big announcement', which was more shows added. It makes no sense, and just fuels disappointment.

I do agree that those signs were a bit misleading in terms of fans expecting something, anything, different about this particular show.  That is, labeling the show a celebration of "AFD30".  Whether is was done innocently as a nod to the timing of the show, or done to shadily create media buzz remains to be seen.

That said, I don't get the torches and pitchforks about the setlist(s).  The new 2016 additions like Coma, DTJ and Slash & Duff putting their spins on the Chinese era tracks I think is, in the band's mind, them "shaking it up" and taking it to each new crowd/city.  They shouldn't have to take into account the keyboard warriors who are waiting in the wings after each show to moan about the setlist.

This show is now well into the top 10 grossing tours OF ALL TIME. They're obviously doing something very, very right and yes that includes the setlist.  

The set list complains are mind boggling....we all have personal preferences... yeah there's one or two more covers in there then I'd prefer... but holy hell...

If you re a GNR fan...especially one who completely supported CD... what the hell is there to complain about? the set list provides all the hits, some deep cuts, CD songs.... what... is the problem...

It's loony. And the ultimate irony is that if they were to throw in a couple Illusion deep cuts and fuck, even a new song, after six months of that setlist you'd have the same group of debbie downers slinking back out of the shadows with their gripes. And on we go...

[D-GenerationX]

Devil's Advocate Position On Last Night's Setlist :

Last night's show was a worldwide broadcast.  In terms of expousre, this show reached more people than any other one show they did the entire tour.

So would you rather they do the show they have been doing, and have been doing well, and let people hear them at their best...

...or have them try to bust through sloppy versions of rarities like 'Locomotive' with Axl forgetting words, band members coming in at the wrong time, etc.

I'd take the former over the latter any day of the week.  Last night was a glorified advertisment for the GNR brand in 2017.  You always put your best foot forward.  Marketing 101.

[sofine11]

The beginning of a tour...that's your setlist, pretty much.  Perhaps the odd swapping of a song or two for another song or two, but that's about it.

People have a gripe if there is a NITL 2.0 tour in 3 years.  But not while NITL 1.0 is still going on.

Ahhh yes. Here we go again.  Yep u are putting a time limit n your personal expectations and everyone who doesn't share the same thought is wrong

I have even read people say 2021 is the limit.  Haha.  It's a joke

Those great limits are just fine to me.  But then so is my limit of

When a band toures a town they have just played multiple times the show should be different

Perhaps the next time they come to your town you could email them your preferred setlist?  

[Ginger King]

Not a lot of surprises with this band anymore, folks.  And that didn't start last week.

All I wanted out of this show was a great recording, in great quality, that I could put on my iPod.  I assume I will have that, so I am good to go.

As for the people with gripes, I'd argue that your expectations are ridiculous.  Can you sit here and stomp your feet about how they didn't play 'Pretty Tied Up' or 'Bad Obsession'?  I guess you could.  But I'd come right back and tell you that 'Pretty Tied Up' was last played in April 1992, and 'Bad Obsession' was last played in February 1993. 

So if you truly thought there was a good chance of either of those creeping into the setlist last night, you are living in god damn fantasyland.

I also don't get the "false advertising" gripe...because they showed the AFD cross in Times Square, that meant the "original" 5 were coming back and they were going to play AFD from beginning to end?  Christ, Beta even said Izzy and Steven wouldn't be there.  I get that we all have our wish list (Axl still hasn't called me up on stage (yet)), but claiming the band misled you in some way is nonsense.

And, not to ruin the North American tour for anyone...but the setlist is going to be the same that was played last night (and for the past 18 months and change), IMO of course.  Try to deal with those emotions now. 

You've got to admit those posters were pretty weird though right? I mean, why bother? All it did was raise people's expectations. If you're not celebrating Appetite's 30th, OK cool, just do a show- no problem. But putting them up? People are going to start speculating, naturally.

It's similar to the hype they let build up with the 'big announcement', which was more shows added. It makes no sense, and just fuels disappointment.

I do agree that those signs were a bit misleading in terms of fans expecting something, anything, different about this particular show.  That is, labeling the show a celebration of "AFD30".  Whether is was done innocently as a nod to the timing of the show, or done to shadily create media buzz remains to be seen.

That said, I don't get the torches and pitchforks about the setlist(s).  The new 2016 additions like Coma, DTJ and Slash & Duff putting their spins on the Chinese era tracks I think is, in the band's mind, them "shaking it up" and taking it to each new crowd/city.  They shouldn't have to take into account the keyboard warriors who are waiting in the wings after each show to moan about the setlist.

This show is now well into the top 10 grossing tours OF ALL TIME. They're obviously doing something very, very right and yes that includes the setlist.  

I guess...maybe...but the signs for the Apollo show made no mention of AFD.  In fact, I think it said Not in this Lifetime.  The #AFD30 signs said nothing about the show at the Apollo.  I guess you could infer that the two signs are related.  

Changing gears, anyone know what was played (acoustically) right before Patience?

[D-GenerationX]

Ahhh yes. Here we go again.  Yep u are putting a time limit n your personal expectations and everyone who doesn't share the same thought is wrong

I have even read people say 2021 is the limit.  Haha.  It's a joke

Those great limits are just fine to me.  But then so is my limit of

When a band toures a town they have just played multiple times the show should be different

My limits are realistic, yours are not.  Ergo, I am happy, you are not.

ME KO1 YOU

[faldor]

GNR added more shows this morning......a 3rd MSG, a Prudential Center NJ, Hartford....

WAIT...WHAT? HARTFORD???!!!!

WHEN!!!

EDIT: I'M BACK FROM DENVER BEFORE THAT SHOW!!! WOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Breaking out the credit card in T-minus 105 minutes!

Shit, when?

[pilferk]

GNR added more shows this morning......a 3rd MSG, a Prudential Center NJ, Hartford....

WAIT...WHAT? HARTFORD???!!!!

WHEN!!!

EDIT: I'M BACK FROM DENVER BEFORE THAT SHOW!!! WOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Breaking out the credit card in T-minus 105 minutes!

Shit, when?

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