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Chinese Democracy
Guns N' Roses


 
List Price:? ?$21.49?
Price:? ?$21.49 and eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25. See details.?


Availability: This title will be released on December 31, 2025. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. See more on holiday shipping.

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Edit: New subject. /jarmo

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CCBC6W/qid=1133498180/sr=8-16/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl15/103-8515556-8714224?n=507846&s=music&v=glance

lol

Search it thru the main site and it retrieves it as 'Welcome to the Jungle"

F*cked Up!

Edit: Nice One :hihi: : ok:

I almost had a heart attack when I clicked that link.  I thought it was really coming, then I realize it was a joke.  Fuckin' bullshit. :rant:

The release date sounds about right. Although I was hoping for 2017 to be honest. ?:hihi:

LOL.

Had me hooked. Nice job.

????? you don't get it guys????, that date will be updated!!!!!, this only means CD is on it's course!!

Wow I thought I was numb to anything to do with CD's release but...for a second I must admit my heart started to pound.

This is not a joke. They have changed the title of the product to "Chinese Democracy". This is Amazon, remember. The date is still obviously pending.

It's late. I'm tired-so I dont know if you really buy this or are trying to pull a fast one. On the chance you are really believing this: clear your cache. Go to Amazon's home page. Search for the item using the ASIN: B000CCBC6W-it will bring you to WTTJ with all the same shipping info.

Look at the 14th item:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ix=music&rank=%2Brelevancerank&fqp=binding%018%02is-popular%01yes%02keywords%01Guns%252520n%252520Roses&nsp=score%01proj-unit-sales%02dispatch%01search%02results-process%01bin%02platform%01gurupa&sz=10&pg=2/ref=s_m_np/103-4699654-8457441

its back to Welcome to the Jungle, great!

Guess the supreme overload who watches all the boards got on the case!

Jonx

Then why would a pre-order for the item still come out as 'Chinese Democracy'? ;)

Sales rank: 158,318

Everyone add 100 copies for pre-order to your basket without checking out, that'll push the sales rank!!!? ;D

 I guess this means 'SOON' really is the word!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

hmm...  and the Dec. 31st release date...  a Friday?  Looks good to me anyway.  I'm gonna order, and when I don't get Chinese Democracy, I'm gonna bitch.

Why wait to bitch when you can just bitch now! :hihi: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I do a google search for guns n roses

I now get:
"Includes news and information on Chinese Democracy expected March 2006. "
under gnronline.com

I know this changes all the time, but is this one new or old?

Old, Google does that bit

Jonx

Man.. crazy. It may not be anything special.. but who knows.

The day CD is on freaking amazon with a tracklist.. a cover image.. omg.. whoa. my hearts all crazy right now! haha.

GNR FOREVER!

Check the listing below:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/legacy-handle-buy-box.html/002-1766760-7110428

It says you can pre-order Chinese Democracy. Why don't we just order it. And when amazon send us the "Welcome To The Jungle" Album instead of CD, can we sue them?

seems like chinese demodcracy starts now!!    :hihi:

uhhh no but you could probably get a refund.

uhhh no but you could probably get a refund.

Refund??? Then my credit card company still charge interest on that. This is crap. Then I'm pretty sure It is not coming out.

Why the hell would Amazon list ChiDem on their site? Just because someone working there is a GNR fan and tired of waiting?  :no: You'd think they wouldn't list anything that doesn't even exist yet. I mean officially.

Sometimes I really don't understand you people here. Freaking out about some bullshit, but now, when there is evidence, you're making jokes about it. So here's my take: Amazon doesn't list anything just "for fun", they list things they are advised to list by the companies.

I see a possibility here: The whole WTTJ thing was Geffen forcing for CD. And now they are indeed planning on releasing CD, amazon is just waiting for a confirmed date.

I don't think that is too far fetched, why else should they list it for preorder?


/lastroots

Well now it's...

"Amazon.com Sales Rank:  #5,574 in Music"

 :o

This is it people...  :peace:

The whole GH2 story had something to do with this...

I'm actually a tiny bit excited about this...

OMG

So Chinese Democracy starts in 2025?

What about the 8 magic number? lol ;D

Aren't new cd's released on a tuesday? LOL even in 2025 it is a wednesday  ;D
That said, I am remotely excited. The GH2 thing was weird though!!!

Haven't we established that Amazon lists unconfirmed dates as 2025?

I think this is not the first time that CD is listed for pre-order... I have seen this movie before...

The other time was a joke by some asshole.

At Amazon?

I cant remember if it was Amazon or not... but it has happenned for sure

Amazon puts 2025 on anything that does not have an exact release date.? Amazon actually designing a page for CD is huge.? They do not put pages up based upon rumors.? I believe company TOLD them to put up a page. So in my opinion, CD is on its way.? Things are really going to pick up from here. :beer:

2005 + (8*2.5)=2025.............  so this is the real deal :hihi:

well don?t get your hopes up.....if something happens, you`ll be positively surprised  : ok:

I don't know how many from here got tempted but I pre-ordered it...



Damn, I'll have to wait more than 18 days...  ;D

not listed anymore... leading to WTTJ...

With that price of $21.49, whatever it is, it's definatley a double disc.

Gotta clear that cache.

It's using the same item listing # that WTTJ used, so if you pull it up, if you have a "cached" version of the page, you can still see the WTTJ page.

It's listing as CD for me...

And people are right.  Amazon doesn't list products unless advised to by the label....I'm asking my friend in music retail if she's heard anything.

They don't charge until it ships on preorders.

$21.49 is definitely implying double disc to me.  I'm gonna go ahead and pre-order, too - just so I can be part of the cool crowd.

-darknemus

In all sincerity, doesn't that ASIN# mean anything?  Or is that an Amazon internal ID?

(I'm wondering if it means Amazon something or another, or if its a more.. Universal tag, if that makes sense)

-darknemus

No, some comical genius decided to take a screen capture of a product on amazon and altered it to look like a listing for CD.

Then they claimed it had been advertised on Amazon but then vanished.

The fraud was only revealed when someone with an eagle eye noticed a tiny mistake in their creative work of fiction.

@#$%Funker

Oh, and...

Asin: This is the Amazon Product Identification number, also known as the ASIN number. Every product Amazon sells has a unique Asin number.

@#$%Funker

Thanks, Mutherfunker, I was just getting ready to post to disregard my query.  I googled it. I probably should have before I even asked the question :)

-darknemus

it came up as Chinese Democracy for me, I clicked pre order and it didnt switch to WTTJ, its now like 3000 in sales rank

Let's see, will this thread be longer than the GH2 thread?



Christos
Axl Rose Is God

Probably.? Oh yea, I pre-ordered as well. :smoking:

It means nothing...

The release date says it all... ITS A JOKE!!!!!!

Amazon is not your friend next door that makes such jokes...  ::)

This ASIN number begs a question:

If they've used the same ASIN number, does it mean that the 'best of' album does not exist, and is no longer being considered for a release - and does that add weight to Chinese Democracy being released soon instead (as mentioned in the deadline discussions)?

@#$%Funker

Good question, Muther.  I don't recall the ASIN# they used for the Welcome to the Jungle listing, do you?

-darknemus

Sorry but Amazon is no joke. I'm not saying that it will be out anytime soon, but theres gotta something, at least an inch of truth in it.

Welcome to the Jungle:ASIN: B000CCBC6W

Chinese Democracy:ASIN: B000CCBC6W

One in the same.

I gues the price has nothing to say. Looks like they just replaced the title on the WTTJ preorder-page with Chinese democracy and are now awaiting further info from the label. Let's be honest, folks, this could only mean a few things.

First: Are we sure Amazon only lists a release when the record company told them to to so?
I'd say YES. Anything else doesn't make any sense.

Second: 2025 is a default date.

So what does it mean?
Amazon was told last month to list WTTJ. It is unsure if Universal actually intended to release that one or if they just did it as a message to Axl.

Now they were told to list CD instead. Could mean two things: CD is indeed on the way. Or maybe Geffen is again trying to force Axl. I think the first speculation is more realistic.


/lastroots

If you do a search for Chinese Democracy on Amazon, WTTJ comes up, click WTTJ, and CD come up. ???

That just confirms my guess in my last post.

I'd be interested in Jarmo's opinion on this.....


/lastroots

So, like, Are we going to see it?  And is soon the word?

(That will always be one of my favorite quotes.. whoever made that remix of "Chinese Democracy" with that line in it, you make me laugh every damn time I play it)

In all sincerity, I've placed a call to my friend to see if he can pry any info out of his Geffen contacts.  Last time I tried this I got a terse "No Comment" - but we'll see if it proves any more lucrative this time around.

-darknemus

As usual logic points us in what seems the only possible correct direction.....

.... and then you realise you live in GNR bizarro world where this can so easily be total crap.

 ::)

@#$%Funker

PS Can I confirm that in all these years, this is the first time that Amazon have EVER listed Chinese Democracy?

Yes.

/lastroots

I buy lots of stuff on Amazon, and over the years I've never seen CD listed.

I can confirm on the Amazon listing, too - CD has never been listed there.

(Not even when the Dec 3, 2002 thing was happening with the print ads and all that)

-darknemus

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #3,146 in Music

It's movin on up the ranks now! Let's try and get it into the #1 spot.

By the way, when this thread was started the sales rank was about 15000 or something like that.

How much is it now? 3000?

Are the ranks based on clicks or on preorders?

If they're based on preorders, it should soon be in the first ranks and then there will be far more publicity to that listing.


/lastroots

Has the label name provided yet?

Fom what I understand, it's based upon sales. ?It's gonna blow up by the end of the day.

No, but as I said they just retiteled the WTTJ-page.

/lastroots

I doubt Amazon would mess around with jokes considering that a are a major online store. ?To agree with everyone, this is the first time I have ever seen CD listed too. ?If CD were to be released at a 12 midnight store opening on
Dec 31, what would you do go out and celebrate New Years or go get Chinese Democracy?\

CD switched  back to WTTJ, and is now around 2000 sales

It does NOT switch back. Don't use a link, look for it by typing in "guns n roses chinese democracy" on the Amazon search and you'll get directly to the CD-page.


/lastroots

Strange. ?WTTJ now has a code of:ASIN: B000CCBC6M

CD is: ASIN: B000CCBC6W

Earlier they were the same. ?WTTJ has a sales rank of 133,435

CD is 2,203

CD is going to end up number 1 and there isnt going to be an actually cd to mail out

Has anyone bought this? :hihi:



How come a CD selling website gets the scoop? :hihi:

The CD listing has been modified too. It now has a link to the rest of GN'R material and other bits and pieces like other listings..... ?weird.

@#$%Funker

This is getting crazy now. I guess we'll find out before monday if we are actually going to get CD or not.

It's gonna be the no1  sales  "20 yrs" previous to the release date.   :peace:
Isn't it already record breaking?

I wonder why.... ::)
If this or that had been told by the label, they'd know the labal.
I think it's another party who told them to put this.

I have a feeling we'll get some news before 2006...

Ofcourse it's just a feeling and nothing more...

theres already a tribute album called WTTJ, if the record company were to release an actually GNR album with the same title, it would just be stupid.  hopefully CD will keep getting pre ordered and we ll get an announce in the next few days 

Amazon will be loving it. All this extra interest

Nice, i might buy a copy myself, and sue them when they send false products :D

 :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:

I actually just deleted that post because I was thinking "interest" in the credit card sense and you probably meant it's general definition. Too fast for me. ?:hihi: :beer:

Yeh I've just pre-ordered my copy of Chinese Democracy. I wonder if i will have ?30 on my cash card in 20 years time... Even when my card expires in 07!  :peace:

I just put 999 copies of Chinese Democracy in my Amazon cart, and it only cost me $21,468.51.

It oughta be number 1 by now you rich chap.

NOW that's a fan.... come on people follow the example.

Bastard Amazon won't let me order more than 999, I need at least 5000 copies.

Buy, buy, buy...

 :hihi:

@#$%Funker

I bought 999 copies too. I wanted 100000 but they wouldnt let me  :rant:

Just think of the profit it you stick all but one on e-bay and sold them when CD is sold out in Sam Goody's and HMV's around the world.

I put in my order for one. lets hope for the best! As soon as they confirm I'm buying 6 as gifts.

jsut wondering, if i preorder it, when do i get it? do they send it on the release date, or do they fix it so i get it on the release date?

I'm buying 1 if they send it I'll buy 6 more or where ever I get 6 first

Now it's 2.203 ?;D


EVERYONE ADD 999 COPIES TO YOUR BASKET!!!

YOUR CARD WILL NOT BE CHARGED UNLESS YOU CHECK OUT!

But the sales rank of the album will pe pushed!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was somewhat 150.000 this morning, now it's in the 2000s and rising.

C'mon let's get this to #1 TONIGHT!

HOLY CRAP the title just changed back to WTTJ: The Best Of...

What the fuck!!!

@#$%Funker

I think they send as soon as they get it. So you may get it a couple of days before, possibly a few days after.

haha I must admit adding the 999 discs to the cart thing is pretty amusing.

Do you people really think this is Chinese Democracy though?  I, of course, still doubt it.  But could this be the time when I finally eat my words???  Nah, I dont think so....

The two products are both listed as WTTJ now. With two ASIN numbers!

@#$%Funker

Do you own a record store chin demcracy? :hihi:

This keeps getting more and more fucked as the day goes on  :nervous:

Coming from Amazon this could be something serious.
I haven't believed the "WTTJ could be really CD" theory until now. Now I believed this WTTJ (GH) could be a working name for the real project they are running. Is possible that Geffen ask Amazon to list a new coming product with that working title and now they are revealing WTTJ is really CD coming on. The 2025 release date could be read as TBA...

I'm getting excited but I will fight myself not to. he he.
Just wait and see.

how come when u go to amazon.com{not thru the link} and u type in GNR, this album doesnt come up?

Well, this is the first time a major retailer have established a way to purchase the album. ?So, it's the bigest tell-tale sign that CD is on it's way. ?Amazon does not do this unless someone with authority tells them to. ?Somebody is paying for Amazon to publish this on their website.

When you preorder it the name still comes up as chinese democracy, even though the main listing pages has been changed back to WTTJ best of...

tnx... then it is not a chance im willing to take :p im gunna be the first in line for my local store though ;)

PLEASE LISTEN!!!!!!

Look on Amazon in Popular Music for "guns n roses chinese democracy" and You'll get it! IT DOES NOT!!!!!! CHANGE!


Hope everyone got it now.

/lastroots

All i am going to say is "Hmmmmm"  :)

no, what if u just type in guns n roses....it doesnt come up...but all the other albums do

I just remember the Vegas DVDs when they were up.  I dont remember which website they were on, but those disappeared shortly afterwards.  I guess you are right, no website has been set up for Chinese Democracy though

It tried numerous times. It is there everytime. Just look clearly.


/lastroots

as Axl says..."Ok, Nevermind"

I looked again and they have it listed on the 2nd page....very interesting,....now I might be a believer!

Lastroots, the title of the product has changed. Put that search in and you go to a page entitled Welcome To The Jungle

@#$%Funker

I typed in "GNR - Chi...." as WTTJ appeared i clicked on it, still WTTJ, added to my basket and it's name changed to Chinese Democracy.  ::)

that's fales advertising

lastroots is right, if you put in guns n roses chinese democracy in the popular music you get the cd page, sales are now 2001 instead of 2300 , its getting lower !!

Not for me. Must be a cache thing. Howevere I look for it, I get CD. I also see WTTJ listed, yes, but if I just look for guns n roses, I get CD in the list, and when I type in just chinese democracy, I get it in the list, and when I type in guns n roses chinese democracy (in popular music), I get directly to the CD-page. No change at all, and what would be the sense in changing it all the time anyway?


/lastroots

Maybe some people are cancelling out of doubt? And who could blame them.

Let's sue together Luigi  : ok:

don't cancel

getting LOWER, not higher

#2001 is lower than #2300, people aren't cancelling  : ok:

Nah that just means more people are buying because its getting closer and closer to the #1 spot on the amazon sales chart.

email all your friends the link so they buy CD also. : ok:

Isn't it  the rank of the sales ?


It seems that they estimated the Delivery wrong.
Theoretically this item should arrive at your door in 2006 from the future.

what i meant to say is the sales rank is getting higher, its 2001 instead of 2300, that would show more people are ordering

I ordered my copy

Can't find CD now
"Welcome to the Jungle" back
What the fuck is up?

I have cleared my cache
Searched "Chinese Democracy"
WTTJ shows.

CD? There before.
Methinks maybe Amazon
Jumped the gun, perhaps?

Got info, maybe,
And simply posted too soon...
Time will tell, for true.

I think something's up
I just wish I knew details...
Guns fans bear crosses...

Splash

/Mike

Just a suggestion:

Let's all put it in the basket to push the rank up to at least the top ten. If it's that high, everyone wil be able to see it. That's when we should get some answers.

GN'R can't just ignore so many preorders.


/lastrootsl

My fault, i skimmed over that too quickly

i think for the same item (and same ASIN) they made two different pages in database:

this never change CHINESE DEMOCRACY --- www.amazon.com/gp/product/ASIN/B000CCBC6W/
this often change CD/WTTJ ?----- www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000CCBC6W/

It's not a cache problem

come on guys other web sites need to start seeing this, send them the link

Can some post the link where they are tracking it's rise from please?

And if someone just email Amazon to clear this up ?

I already did. No answer yet.


/lastroots

1. Go to Amazon.com
2. Search 'Popular Music' for "Chinese Democracy"
Here's what ya get:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000CCBC6W/qid%3D1133538732/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-2256733-0982503
Sales rank @ 2,001...

and i guess the first is a static page, and the second a dinamic one?

pass on the word

Oh aye, thanks

The next NY times article can be this Chinese Democracy the Most Pre Ordered Album Never Released.

 :rofl:

amozon confirmed with my Chinese Democracy order

Or rather "Chinese Democracy the Most Pre Ordered Album ever to be Released in 20 yrs time".



and the same sales rank. obviously the same product.


Lets spread the disease all over the world!

Perhaps the CD delay was due to Axl and co planning the most elaborate wise goose chase practical joke before CD's release  :hihi:

any kind of "official" response to this listing would be nice, but I am not getting my hopes up  :peace:

CD is back now
It shows up in both places
(The search and the list)

Don't fuck with my head!
This is truly a puzzle.
Myst!  Give us some truth!! ;D

Splash

/Mike

I have emailed amazon for more information.

And that's where our Chris pitman plays a critical role.

sales rank 1878

Ok, now it says Welcome To The Jungle.  I give up.

i just put chinese democracy into cdnow.com and i got the amazon cd page

When I add it to my cart it changes to Chinese Democracy, but that's the only way it ever says Chinese Democracy. ?If I search for Guns N' Roses, it lists WTTJ twice.

What are the chances someone hacked into Amazon's website?

It would take a very big asshole to be able to hack Amazon's website and add Chinese Democracy to it, instead of stealing all credit cards info...

Most people need to empty their cache.

I see Chinese Democracy, not WTTJ.

when you do the search on amazon do popular music and then type in chinese democracy and it will come up.

Yeah my thoughts too. ?I'm not too worked up about this. ?I think if there wasn't any mention of WTTJBOGNR or GH2 last month then I would be a little more pumped. ?Far too big of a coincidence. ?It is fun to read 149 posts about people cleaning their cache though. ?

Assuming it is the real deal though, I guess it would make sense to have a pre-order available before an official announcement by the GNR camp is made, because otherwise they announce it and people go right to the Internet and can't find anything and think it's another abberation of CD. ?

I'm not familiar, how do other bands go about this process of announcing and then having an order site available? (not that GNR would follow a typical release pattern anyway).

Just to fool GNR fans... I really don't think so

i think for the same item (and same ASIN) they made two different pages in database:

this never change IT IS ALWAYS CHINESE DEMOCRACY --- www.amazon.com/gp/product/ASIN/B000CCBC6W/ this is the real product page (static page) i.e. whenu ?add it to your cart it changes to Chinese Democracy, cause it lists the real product page.

this often change CD/WTTJ ?----- www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000CCBC6W/ ?This is the search result page (dinamic page)

It's not a cache problem

This would be the best way to promote a new album

I got this email:

Thanks for writing to us at Amazon.com. ?

Our latest information indicates that "Chinese Democracy" has not yet
been released and the expected release date is not known. ?Our
suppliers have supplied the 2025 release date simply as a stand-in
until they have more definite information.

As soon as an actual release date has been determined for this item,
we will add that information to our web site.

While we do still hope that copies will be made available, we cannot
provide more precise information about the fulfillment of the order.
In light of this uncertainty, we will understand if you would prefer
to cancel your order. ?As of yet we have made no changes.

You may cancel orders yourself on our web site. ?Simply click on the
"Your Account" link at the top of our home page and select the link
that says "Cancel items or orders." ?After signing in with your e-
mail address and password, you will be able to cancel your order for
any item that has not yet entered the shipping process.

I will be sure to pass your message on to the appropriate department
in our company for consideration. ?Customer feedback like yours is
very important in helping us continue to improve the selection and
service we provide.

Thanks again for shopping at Amazon.com.

Please let us know if this e-mail resolved your question:

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http://www.amazon.com ?

i see dead people

i dont see chinese democracy and my cache is cleared

cdnow.com = amazon.com  ;)

The thing is that they post a page for CD.. they haven't did it before, evev when other stores did, so... why ?
They have some info for sure.

Sure they have. From their suppliers. Now, does anyone know who is the supplier of Amazon?#


/lastroots

I'm not doing this, it's all speculation, we GnR fans get excited sooo easily, there will be an announcement of some sort when the CD is ready, and I'm sure the Online GnR community will be among the first people to know. Until then i don't think we'll hear a peep from Mr. Rose.

I don't think Amazon.com knows anymore than the email says. There is no conspiracy here people :peace:

Is not Geffen itself ?

What if we all contact amazon? Maybe then they will be inclined to get the dirt! If there is any dirt to get.

This story would make a great film.

These recent events are interesting to say the least.  Maybe the ball is finally rolling. :nervous:

Nope. I got the same answer from them that you got and that won't change, even if every member from this board would spam them.

The only chance to get answers is to push the sales rank up to the top.
Shoeld work if everyone here orders 5 or so.

/lastroots

There's no conspiracy, just marketing stuff.... I think if the record company is preparing a release, the dealers will know something before everybody else, maybe not to much, but they would recieve a petition for posting a new item on preorder. Maybe not too much details about it.

Most people are pre-ordering 999 copies like myself. $23,000!  :o

Why don't we find out where Michael J. Fox lives and ask him? He went to the year 2012 after all.

You guys are fucked if this is actually CD :hihi:

Guys,

Make sure to cancel your orders before it does come out, lest you get stuck with 999 copies!

 :hihi: good one

But he didn't went to 2025, maybe is the real date

This listing on Amazon is the opening of the gate to the official statement that is now inevitable before xmas...............................no doubts.

Either that or Amazon will delist it ::) (which sounds more plausible to you?)

Drop ships directly from the labels.  They're too big for any other method.

The response IS a good sign though. It means it's not a "mistake" on Amazon's part.  They HAVE been told to list the item.

I agree with you

dub05's one.
I thought most of us knew Chinese Democracy would be realised one day.
This thing is a strong piece of evidence. :yes:


I think it's the management who supplied this info to amazon.

pfffffbwahahahaha.... have you learned nothing over the years??

WHEN I DID A SEARCH FOR GUNS N ROSES ON AMAZON, CHINESE DEMOCRACY APPEAR AND YOU CAN PRE-ORDER NOW.
IF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE SAYS IT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED, MEANS IT IS FALSE ADVERTISING. LET'S SUE THEM!!

I ordered it also... even if it gets cancelled its nice to know that i have just pre ordered my copy of Chinese Democracy from Amazon.com.... ? guess i have 28 days to see what gets shipped if anything at all.. but maybe, just maybe im 28 days away from owning CD... :peace:

LOL, what are you gonna sue them for? Getting your panties in a wad?

Mysteron...........

Paging Mysteron.............

good luck with that, there is NOT a set release date

and good luck to those wanting to sue for "false advertising"  ::)  It's a listing for a Pre-Sale. 

I've seen more crazy lawsuits that that in USA!

Yeah, Mysteron ... oh, well.

And I'm still interested in Jarmo's opinion....


/lastroots

don't panic.... this could be possitive, just wait.

I put in my order....for whatever it's worth. BTW, I apologize for last nite---i guess the page kept changing. I think we will hear something soon either way---Sanctuary and Geffen probably wouldnt  want this up much longer if it isnt true.

well jarmos here call him

no shit... i dont need any good luck... see coz i dont give a shit ... either it ships or it doesnt ship... but if it does it does,.. if not oh well....

i agree this ?has to be it remember whst dizzy said "sooner than you think" hopefully a single is being planned as we speak so when the ball starts roll it rolls fast ?:beer:

sales rank #1379

Good. Shouldn't take too long anymore. That's over 500 in just one hour.


/lastroots

What would give you any inclination to think that "it" would ship on December 31, 2005? ?BTW, that's (12/31/05) a Saturday. ? ;)

I guess it is Already.

Richard says that CD will come out in 2006  and things are moving fast now.  : ok:

Hell yea. We'll sue for anything over here, in fact I'm gonna sue your sorry ass now!!!

You made me feel dizzy reading that post and want some money for it.........

Em.....guys. Have you seen the competition? Like this at #98

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000ASDG8K.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg)

An Christmas album with Regis :-[

why do you give a fuck what inclination i have... i dont give a shit what day of the week it is... coz if it is "it" ill be at the store.... fuck off then..

I want to settle this out of court. My lawyers will hand you over a cheque for $3.75

I just ordered that with all my buddies on the Regis forum...........

easy tiger ?:P

I just don't want to see you in the traditional let-down line of bashers if this one falls flat too.

Five bucks and all your GnR CDs and I will settle...........

hahaha hmmm I wonder who those people are

You don't own them already?  :o

Childish joke. They seem to have too much time in their hands. Brobably think that Axl notices that. but like he said he dont surf the internet anymore so its just waste of time makin those up. (even if he would find out about it, wont do anything one way or other)

lol dont worry i wont be in the traditional let-down bashers line... see coz i dont care if it comes.... if it does thats nice.. if not oh well new years will still be new years....

i hope we dont see a posting on sp1at saying merck denies amazon listing or somethign ridiculous liek that

Like pilferk confirmed, this is for real. Amazon got advice from Universal to list CD. And the only thing we can do at the moment to get more info, is, as I already said, push it up the sales rank as high as possible.

So please, even if you think this is bullshit (it's not), please order a few. You can cancel them later, there's plenty of time, it will just ztake you a minute to place an order.

THEY CAN'T IGNORE IT! They must give info if it reaches the top ten. Other sites will grab this. This is a way to force some info.


/lastroots

I checked the same thing on Amazon.co.uk and nothing.

Then why no label is mentioned there?

Yes, I checked a lot of sites. Amazon.com is the only one that has it listed right now.


/lastroots

I dunno, but they had no label for WTTJ as well, and with all the errors which seemed to have occured for some people and with the ASIN, it absolutely seems like they used the same article page and just changed the title from WTTJ to CD. It makes sense, Amazon dooesn't list anything unlesse they get advice from their suppliers (= the labels).


/lastroots

I figured I'd waste a few minutes of my life by sending Tina Chang an email asking for an explination of the situation over at Amazon.com regarding Chinese Democracy.

Good call.

Maybe not


I think this and that (WTTJ) came from the other party, ie the management. And Merck=Axl according to some.

Ok, here you go:


Until there's a release date, I won't get too excited.

I know it's Amazon and they're a reliable store, but they do list things occasionally that get postponed and/or cancelled.

The fact that it has no release date is kinda telling. Nobody knows when it's coming out at this point. Nothing new there.

I don't know why they're listing it though. Either someobdy at the supplier thinks CD is gonna be out or it's just an error.





/jarmo

Perhaps it's a litmus test for interest?

It's been listed so many times before on other CD sites, that is why I'm not too excited.

that's what I thought too, give some clue how many would be interested

Merck says 'Amazon are playing games'

There is also nothing listed on Universal's release schedule (as of right now)

Jarmo thinks what I thought he would think and I think that's realistic.

But this? Come on, why should Amazon "play games"?

That makes no sense at all. They don't get nothing out of it.


/lastroots

Thanks for replying. Amazon are gonna have a fair few pissed off folk now :no:

I dunno. I still think we should push the rank up, since that's the only way to force a statement.


/lastroots

How do you know? Merck send you email or phone?

btw, it's in the 900s now. Two more hours should be enough.

If ever, I think Universal is playing games. Not Amazon.


/lastroots

I find the idea that THE major online retailer would want to f*ck around with people for a larf a bit odd...it's not like they gain anything from preorders if the product doesnt come out (except maybe website hits)---this isnt like some jackass DJ promising to play a new guns song and then blaming lawyers.

Or maybe merck?

What's the game? :confused:


However your posting on this section betreys your keen interest :hihi:

I'm excited a bit but I'm not waiting yet. I must see the release date for 2006 first.

sales rank 931

Yeh, very true, the listing on amazon is for December 31st, 2025 according to what I see. ?Seems like a nice little joke.

Amazon said that they put that due to the fact they haven't a fuck about a release date

when you confirm a pre-order the value is automatic debted from your credit card? or it will be debted when the release date is confirmed?
if is automatic debted and they are "playing games" they (Amazon) must face a lot of complaints/bad reviews/sues

No. You pay when the item is shipped.


/lastroots

how could it be just an error though? i mean thats a pretty big error there must some bit of truth behind this.........

What happens if this turns out to be WTTJ, and a fair amount don't realise and don't cancel their order? Bad reviews etc.

If you read the response RichardNixon got from AMazon, they put bizzare dates like that when they don't have a confirmed release date. It's their equivalent of TBD. To say this is nothing is or Amazon is playin games seems ludicrous to me-someone is feeding them this info (be it GH2 or CD) and I doubt they would put it up if it were unreliable. Uni doesnt have it on their release schedule? Well, it could be b/c the date is being worked out-not that the product doesnt exist in some form. And if they are still hammering out details or a promotion plan, it would make sense that management would want to keep it under wraps so they can implelemnt their plan correctly---I remain pessisimistic that we'll ever hear CD, even if a release date is announced by management, the label, etc. it could always be pulled. But to say that something isn't up or that a major retailer would arbtirarly put up something to jerk around potential customers is silly.

How about this.... Amazon got wind of the impending release of CD and listed it for pre-order thus getting a jump on all the competition.

This isn't supposed to be public knowledge, and that's why we've had the 'playing games' line.

Amazon have done something they shouldn't have done and Sanctuary won't be too happy about it?

Just speculation, but hey, I've got some spare time.

@#$%Funker

Why in the hell would a multi-million, possibly multi-billion dollar company want to play games with the core GNR fanbase? ?Nah, sounds Amazon might have let the cat out of the bag a little early. ?

It's huntin' season boys...get your shotguns out cause this one will be shot down soon! Don't get your hopes up at all.

This is pretty plausible also. Amazon are dead!!  :hihi:

What other big releases are coming out in 06, try and search for a few of those and see if any other albums/dvds are coming up. Isnt this time of year when all the release schedules, at least the very rough schedules are being sent out to all the retailers so they can prepare for the 06 releases!

Jonx

The people behind Amazon aren't stupid. ?You could have typed in Chinese Democracy a year ago and GNR would have came up under related searches. ?So they know the CD is the next album, they also know that WTTJ is a greatest hits type(hence in the title the Best OF). ?They did not become a reputable online store by being naive or playing games.
 This is a chance for the fans to speak up and show the record companies the Chinese Democracy is really wanted. ?If CD gets into the top 10, that clearly states the fans want soon to be now. ?All the emails, the BS rumors ... this is the fans chance to show everyone that we want CD now, and the record companies aren't stupid either, if they had any hesistations after 2002, if CD gets into the top 10, then that should erase any doubt. ?But now its up to us !!

Because a bunch of nerds on a message board are pre-ordering 500 copies of the CD to get it to #1?  :hihi:

 No Amazon are NOT stupid---but major record chains aren't going to force the release of a record (they have no power to) nor would they lie to potential customers---something's up--and I agree, if this thing gets high on the sales chart and isnt taken down in the next few days, thats telling!

Regardless stores like bestbuy are goign to be ordering alot more then that. So if people are ordering bulk to push it into the top then good. ?Its better to be active in this situation and not passive hoping to hear for a release in a couple of months.

I find it very hard to believe that a company as large as Amazon.com would decide to play games by listing a Phantom Album. By doing this, they would only be 'playing' with a small group of people.

 I'm sure that someone there jumped the gun, and Sanctuary is in the process of trying to figure out how to handle this leak.

This is fuckin hilarious. I added 'Chinese Democracy' to my shopping cart earlier, and then when I click on the link from the product in the shopping basket it says 'Welcome to the Jungle'!

You gotta love it.

Maybe Merck was playing games when he said that 2005 was th eyear of Guns N' Roses......

Yeah, the sales rank's still 931, but it seems to be only coming up as Welcome to the Jungle now. :(

EDIT!! Wait! It just changed back to Chinese Democracy again!

Jesus, what a clusterfuck this is!  ::) ;D

Yeah, i mean Merck isnt gonna go "em........yeah it's true"


If the link goes down over the weekend perhaps this is because Sanctuary are pissed off. One thing some of us have to admit though, even if this does turn out false. It was exciting whilst it lasted ;)

sales rank 818

 :hihi:

yeah fuck merck and fuck mysteron

lets have some hope !

I was just about to post taht you're wrong :)

Here's the link www.amazon.com/gp/product/ASIN/B000CCBC6W/ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ASIN/B000CCBC6W/)

Welcome to the Jungle sales rank: 136,362

haha yeah, i emptyed my cache, clicked the link and it said WTTJ, cleared cache again and it said CD  :hihi:

My thoughts exactly.

Eh, I just don't think this is anything to get excited about. Amazon will probably pull it any hour now. I'm sure the GnR camp isn't going to get scooped by Amazon. When the news is announced, my guess is that it will be news for everyone.

There are two listings. That is the other one.

I don't seem to have the problem. Shows up as CD everytime.
I hope it's not an error, but let's not be too hopeful shall we?  :peace:

SWEET...I'm placing my order for it right now.

X-mas with Reg!!!  AWESOME!! :)

You can order more copies of "Chinese Democracy" buy ordering under multiple accounts. Just don't forget to cancel!

Well said.

Bigger errors have been made in the history of mankind. ?:hihi:





/jarmo

2025?Axl will be 63 years old . It's nothing more than a joke they're playing ?on guns n' roses fans.

Name one! :D

How old was Brian Wilson when that "Smile" album was released?

Amazon doesn't "play games".  They're a retailer.  They only list things they're told to list. That's the flat out truth of the matter.

Debited when shipped, and only when shipped.

62. Can Axl go one better?  :hihi:

Excactly.  There is alot more going on then meets the eye.

Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Columbia, Challenger, Blink 182  :hihi:

he he he  :rofl: I agree on that one

You forgot Hanson

Why is the album listed as 21 dollars? A double album? Or maybe $21 would be the price for a two CD best of, and there is some kind of mix-up with the two as-of-yet unreleased albums.

We tried...but then you had to bring it back up..now didn't ya!

Jeesh!

Now it'll take 10 more years to get past the trauma you've brought back to light.

somebody guessed it's a double album earlier

lol, yeah, I'll go singing mmmbop all night long (had to google to get the name right)

It's not like I would know, but I really doubt "Chinese Democracy" will be a double album. After 15+ years, Axl would have to have balls of brass to ask fans to shell out that much money. We here at the board (the the nutty kol-aid drinkers) would do it in a second, but not the more general fans.

Do you people think its possible that there is a signed (by Axl) deadline with the record company/label and even without a product (CD) they are starting to promote it (telling Amazon to list it)?

Promote an album that doesn't exist? I doubt it.

Maybe to obligate him to release

The problem I see is that Amazon is so big, they can't have a perfect "checks and balances" system to weed out incorrect or suspect information right away.
It's not like the CEO of Amazon and a panel of judges individually approve each listing on the website.

I think it's possible that someone at Amazon was told by someone at universal to list the item (to be the first online retailer to accept pre-orders), but I fear that it's most likely some kind of error.

How many times over the past 6 years has Chinese Democracy been rumored to be released? Maybe it was submitted into their main computer 4 years ago, and someone at Amazon accidentally made it "live" on the website? That would explain the 2025 year issue.

Nah, I just don't think they work that way. I doubt Axl will be persuaded into releasing his album if the promotion began. It will come out when either (a) Axl is ready, (b) Axl dies, (c) Axl goes senile or crazy and some sleazy lawyer gets hold of the masters and releases it.

classic eazy! ?I don't understand why people think after almost two years since a statement and 3 years since a public appearance, we are going to magically lift Axl out of his mansion by pre-ordering hundreds of cd's. ?

I'm pretty sure Axl isn't at home right now refreshing his Amazon screen right now to see what the sales ranking is at, like a bunch on here are. ?I think Axl may even be more influenced by the genious petition floating around here back in October than a sales ranking, but not by much. ?

I don't know... its too strange for my imagination....

See, I'm not even sure the process is that manual. ?I know with a certain other music retailer, their release list is actually done automatically by importing files sent from the labels.

Given the vast number of items Amazon lists on their site, I'd find it hard to believe there is someone actually doing database entry and set up on each item. ?I suspect their process, too, is more automatic.

Which is another reason I say "Amazon doesn't play games". ?Now, someone might be playing games USING Amazon (*cough* Universal/Geffen *cough*), OR someone from Universal may have called an asked them to swap out WTTJ for CD, but I'm pretty confident Amazon, itself, isn't making the mistake. ?Even more so because we know someone actually LOOKED at the listing at Amazon in order to respond to the emails sent, and didn't just blow it out of the water.

If we got it to go to the number one sales rank, maybe we'd get a mention on MTV.com

It sounds like somebody at Amazon is trying to be sarcastic.

Anyone know if the ASIN number listed is an amazon specific number, or specific to the product?

B000CCBC6W

That's prob a computer generated message, placed with every product. Only the date changes...

If this were some secondhand website Id write it off as total bullshit immediately, but Amazon.com is a reputable business and i've never known of them to fuck up this big on anything.

So i have to admit that its got me somewhat skeptical.

well as i said 6 hours(12 pages) ago: don`t get your hopes up, but if the ball actually started rolling we all have a reason to be happy : ok:

i have the feeling that this listing won`t last very long......

amazon just changed the name, even the price is the same as it was for wttj....... i guess it`s sure that they don`t have the actual price yet, but i doubt they had listed this for 21$ if it wasn`t wttj before......

the point is: ? we`ll see what comes out of this : ok:

the only positive aspect is that we?re talking about amazon and not some radio dj....

By giving 2025 as a release date they are not trying to be funny. Remember they wrote in the email "Our suppliers have supplied the 2025 release date simply as a stand-in
until they have more definite information."

yeah, and names don't just change accidentally.

It was brought to their attention, and it has not changed.

Merck is playing fuckin' games

It's purely an Amazon reference number.

@#$%Funker

Please people, get a grip. This could be a sign, but judging from history, gnr do not do things subtly. Events happen with explosive tenacity; expect a press release for CD information and not some glib mention on amazon. It is far more likely that Amazon is wrong.

Like he said, no way he would confirm it that easy

You might, of course, notice that Merck's answer isn't exactly a denial.

"Amazon are playing games" doesn't directly translate into "Its not true, CD will not be released and sold through Amazon.com relatively soon".  In fact, his statement is pretty vague, to state the least.

Also, I like Mysteron's little parentheses when referring to Universal's release list .. the (not at this time) thing or whatever.

I do my best not to be a conspiracy theorist, but you have to admit, this entire situation does hold at least some promise.

-darknemus

told ya!


Boo

Sure Biff. :hihi: :rofl:

mercks statements are always very vague ( at least in the last months. he didn`t deny or approve anything.) but mystereon`s statements are even more vague............ there`s no point in reading to much into those, merck should just say what`s goin' on

mercks statements are always very vague ( at least in the last months. he didn`t deny or approve anything.) but mystereon`s statements are even more vague............ there`s no point in reading to much into those, merck should just say what`s goin' on

that's exactly what Merck is NOT doing,  saying what is going on...he never does...

* Amazon.com Sales Rank: #716 in Music

Ive gone back and forth on the release theory.

Think of the media attention and buzz it would create if Chinese Democracy just appeared on the shelf?

this is a mythical,folk legend type album by now so to release it with conventional methods wouldnt serve it justice.

Imagine the news reports and MTV reports and just the whole captivating chaotic type rush to record stores it would cause.

it would enhance impulse shopping by 100 percent the intensity.

Im thinkin it would be a great idea.

The record industry is too caught up in releasing a single/video then the CD a month or two later.

Do it this way, First week sales will still be awesome from word of mouth alone and then get out the single/video later in the week.

makes sense.

lets hope that happens.

Where did you get his statements from?

now is 716... in sales rank

From salesranking #180,000 to #716 within some hours.. who said Chinese Democracy needed promotion? ?:beer:

I totally agree

Remember, there are people pre-ordering 900 copies at a time.

Who did Merck make his statement through? I mean i havent seen any comments other then through this board.

how often do they update the sales rank?

It would be funny if Amazon.com just change the date to December 2nd 2005 and start to send the 999 copys to each fan here. :hihi:

This CD will break records when it comes out without a doubt.

It doesnt need promotion at first, i say if they just put it on the shelf without a single or anything it would go platinum in a week.

U know as soon as it hits the shelves, the radio will be playing the fuck out of it, so why a single to begin with?

GNR are innovative and a new release strategy is needed cause the way now has grown so fuckin stale and repetitive.

If Axl does this he will be a genius and 50 years from now on music countdown shows, this will be a significant event.

That would be automatic...

I've always said that when Chinese Democracy comes out, it will be Number 1 absolutely EVERYWHERE in the world. I've said that for years and years.
Chinese Democracy will sell 20 million copies in the world within 2 or 3 years, you'll see that. It will be one of the fastest and greatest selling album of all time.

where, oh where are you Merck? 

tell us what this means, please....

we want to play games, too

This are only fake sellings from the people here.... they are ordering 999 to each one.. don't get to excited, is not like GNR is today the best seller of all time for CD.

Amazon's information is baseless. Is that un-vague enough for you?

Do I need to add curse words or something to speak to the youth of today? ::) (sarc.)

so if it is baseless and there is no chinese democracy on the way is greatest hits still on the way?  It just seems unusual that they would put this up out of nowhere.

I have been doing some thinking. Here is my thought.
It?s definitely going to be Chinese Democracy because how the hell would Geffen release GH2 or WTTJ for the band that has only 5 album worth of materials.

For 5 album worth of songs, the best they could is release 1 single GH album which they have already done that.

If we can just forget about Spaghetti Incident, then it will be 4 because SI was disappointing.

AXL would not want another GH album release. I think that first the record company is threatening AXL if he does not release CD, they will release GH2.

Then this force AXL to release CD, that?s why it?s pre-order at amazon

Welcome back AXL.

Mysteron.  I'm not saying that Amazon's information has any sort of validity.  However, aren't you the least bit curious as to WHY they've updated their site like that?

We are, afterall, talking about Amazon - not like "Heyitsmikescdstore!.com" or something.  I don't expect Merck to come out and reveal release plans (provided there are any in place, anyway) but I'd love it if he'd toss the fans at least a snippet of hope every now and again.  If he did, maybe you wouldn't have huge threads like this on something that you claim is "baseless".

-darknemus

now it's # 551...

well I think this should be coming from somewhere...
but if Mysteron is so sure I find no point in keeping this topic going on and on. ?:no:

I am not getting my hopes up, but if we keep cranking it up the sales chart quite possibly we might here something from somwhere.

That about sums it up.

The end.

They haven't taken it down, have they?

I guess Amazon is th enew internet practical jokers.

There goes their credibility, because Merck said so!!!

that didnt get my hopes up but 2025, thats amusing

Here's my prediction:
Presales make it number one
Axl calls Geffen:

"See, motherfuckers?
No rush! ?It will sell millions!!
I'll wait 2 more years." ;D


Splash

/Mike

Thank you.  This thread needed a dose of comedy! :hihi:

Total madness.  :hihi:

The craze somehow reminds me of the fuss about BHs departure.
Sanctuary kept flat denying that till it was confirmed by cap A.

My current boss used to work at Amazon and I asked about the process of records getting listed. Here is what I was told, in summary:

Apparently the distributor for this CD would have notified Amazon of the existence of the album, with the understanding that the record exists and is ready, but cover art, etc and the release date may change. The date into the future as stated previously is just a placeholder until the final date is decided upon. I was given the response that this is a credible listing and would not have occured without a completed record waiting in the wings.

Sounded good to me. Don't know if this info helps, but it's fun to finally have some positivity here.

#551 in Music

I'm off to bed now... get this to no.1 by the time I get up please! ;D : ok:

Exactly like some of us suspected.  Some company has requested that page on Amazon.  Do you know if a company has to pay Amazon to put up that page?

anyone remember when Bucket head left?
They denied it and the impending cancellation of RIR4 right up until Axl issued his statement, even though all signs pointed to Bucket leaving?

I think even if it comes out, Merck will say, "It's not really out, that not what is in the stores. That is baseless. Until you hear it from me, don't believe it. "

Most of you people don't know shit about Merck.

What reasons does he have to lie?

Check his history, the guy was a former A&R and marketing director at Virgin Records by the time he was 20. He's basically what you'd call a very smart guy...

He's also a personal manager for Axl and Bruce Dickinson, 2 of the most difficult people (according to the press) in the industry, and he's been handling them well all these years.

Now, think well before you say anything stupid.

#459

i don`t think so. if universal told amazon to list chinese democracy, then both, universal and amazon benefit from the sales

No offence to Merck, his response's just get a little tiresome, and I know that's mostly Axl's fault.

Sorry Merck.... :)

Then again,
Label: (label name not provided)


I was ahead of ya.

hrm...

when i search for 'chinese democracy' on amazon, it goes directly to the page for welcome to the jungle...  with the same ASIN that was previously listed for chinese democracy....  I think maybe amazon made a mistake when they posted WTTJ and have since corrected the mistake

or am i missing something?  can anyone confirm and provide a link for the chinese democracy page?

EDIT:  but it seems to be working now!  I searched again for 'chinese democracy' and it went to the ch. demo. page!  2 minnutes ago i searched (several times) and refreshed and it went to WTTJ page....  something funny is going on here.

EDIT2:  and now it's going back to WTTJ again....  is this happening to anyone else?

It is possible Amazon has since corrected this by replacing Chinese Democracy with Welcome to the Jungle. However, with a retailer the size of Amazon the content correction may have not been changed on all of there servers. I am guesing they have 10+ plus front end servers for that site and a content change may take a while especially in the middle of the day.

The weird thing is,

for welcome to the jungle I get ASIN: B000CCBC6M

and for chinese democracy I got ASIN: B000CCBC6W (and now i'm getting this same asin for WTTJ also).....

it's strange there are 2 ASIN numbers, only the B000CCBC6W is changing.

try searching for both and see what u get

There are two pages displaying CD one is permanently CD, the other seems to alternate between CD/WTTJ.

This was covered in more detail earlier in the thread.

@#$%Funker

I think they're (GNR/Geffen/whoever) trying to keep a lid on it. ?A release date, cover art, and track listing on Amazon would lead to...

Chinese Democracy on P2Ps (Kazaa/Limewire/whatever).

KoRn's new album is due out next Tuesday, but most fans already have it.

These things don't just happen guys. Some gave the all clear to post that page or someone seriously messed up!

is there any way to write to amazon and ask?  has anyone tried this?

or, does anyone know someone who works for amazon?

this is driving me crazy!

Looks like they have refreshed there servers... all I get now is welcome to the jungle. either way someone may have let the cat out of the bag.

It's still there and the sales rank is in the 300s, COME ON DON'T GIVE UP NOW LET'S GET THIS TO #1!!

Where can you find the sales list?

LOL.

I think getting this to number one is more exciting than the realisitic possibilty of a release.

Yea I still see it, its possible the ranking will be at #1 by tonight. ?Still doesn't mean we will get any answers though :-\.

Well we could save the Amazon.com website once it has reach number one to our harddrives (just in case), and then inform the media about this. Is this a world record already? Whatever, call the press agencies, MTV, music mags, radio stations EVERY SINGLE MOTHERFUCKER WE KNOW.

Nothing to lose, only to gain.

all i'm getting for the ASIN B000CCBC6W now is wttj :(

apperantly, some people are too lazy to read even the last 7 posts, before they ask a question....

I don't know what issue you're having, but I still get CD.

Sometimes, with that code, I got WTTJ and some other times I got CD...

chill man, i read your post before asking my question.  just because your boss said that doesn't mean someone at amazon made a mistake by entering CD instead of WTTJ....  I was wondering if anyonw has written to amazon or has talked with someone who works there to check and see if this is an error or not. 

chill the fuck out.

 @ nambis   :peace:     calm down    it wasn`t my post and i didn`t want to offend you....

but you asked if someone talked to a friend(or whatever...) who works at amazon..

by the way amazon responded to some mails and it was no mistake, but they don?t know when/if chinese democracy will be released (or they aren`t yet allowed to talk about it)

Shouldn't be hard for Axl to come with a press release for Chinese Democracy if the album already ranks as #1 at amazon.com!!  :smoking:

Where the hell are you guys finding the sales list.

at the product page for CD... look under "product details"

Can anyone answer this FUKING question, other people have asked the same question, but no one responds.
PLZ help.

Look at the post above yours.

says #495.

this only means that they have not decided yet how to label the album (Geffen or Interscope or UM or wathever), but the record company is still UMG

Some of u are so hilarious.

Do I think this is CD? Probably not but just because Merck and Mysteron say its not we are suppose to believe that?


If they are seriously tryin to do a secret release type strategy then OF COURSE it wouldnt be on the release log and OF COURSE Merck and Mysteron would deny it cause if they didnt HELLO U FUCKIN GENIUSES the cat would be out of the bag.

If this isnt CD we are owed an explanation cause Amazon.com doesnt just have oversights.

Even I had to laugh at that one. :)

What's that they say: It's not conspiracy theory if they're really out to get you??

Cheers. A voice of optimism for a change.

Amazon's info can't be "baseless". ?It's basis might not be reputable, or might not be correct info. ?It might not come from the label or management, but I can promise you it's not them just making things up....

You and I both know things don't work that way in their type of business.

Now I get it. Every time you Reload the page the album title changes. :hihi:

I just got off the phone with Amazon.  Not much info, but I figured I'd pass it along anyway.

A. When they pull up that ASIN#, they see the Greatest Hits album (she didn't clarify if it was GH I or GH II - but I'm assuming #2

B. For some reason, when I had her do a search for "guns roses" she did NOT see Chinese Democracy listed (although I do, right below Spagehetti Incident)

C. Amazon is performing "routine maintenance" on their systems (and has been since yesterday) - so that COULD explain the issue.  (It still doesn't explain how the fuck the name "Chinese Democracy" got in their database, though)

If you want to contact Amazon, yourself, here's a link with info on how to do it: http://clicheideas.com/amazon.htm

The girl I spoke to's name was Meagan, but I'm sure if you call you'll get some other workerbee.

-darknemus

plausible but I wouldn't say only. it could mean other things.
Uni hasn't listed this yet.

wtf. thats weird she didn't see it... if she doesnt see it then wat the hell have we been buying haha

Its possible that their internal DB might be slightly different than what's seen on the website, although she made it sound as if she was checking "amazon.com" directly.  Who knows.

I also might not have been asking the right questions, hence why I posted the contact info for others to try their hand.

-darknemus

I just got home from work and have been checking from here, and haven't seen it come up as Chinese Democracy once. I see nothing but WTTJ. Cache has been cleared multiple times..... maybe "they" fixed it..

i still see it, if i search for guns n roses its the last item on the bottom...

This one will not die until Amazon removes it from its website. :P

Wow, 20 pages about that?

I think everyone needs to calm down, this is not like Universal or Sanctuary has issued a press release about the actual release date. I mean, I pre-ordered the Las Vegas DVD on Amazon Japan and it got pulled out the actual day of the supposed release...without any real explanation. That was in December 2001.

This could be the record company pressuring Axl. We all know how bad they want to release it. Im kinda surprised they havent tried this years ago. There just going to keep pressuring Axl until they get their money back or make a profit.

Well, I decided to jump in and preorder a copy too? ;D

I know we've done this before over and over again, but with Tommy saying that some GN'R news could be coming soon, Richard saying that the album will be out in 2006 and a tour, and Dizzy's comments...

I'll stop there? : ok:

People just want a reason to believe, Will. Blind faith carrieth one only so far ;)

Do I believe this is the real deal? no. But the situation is fascinating nonetheless-THE major online retailer in the world lists something new from GnR since what? Early November ( when GH2 rumor surfaced)---doesnt pull it down even after  repeated denials of its existence by the label and management, then it turns into 'Chinese Democracy"--it's bizzare. My guess is by monday, it will be taken down, and we'll all get emails saying that aour preorder is cancelled...but it's nice to have a little frenzy now and then! : ok:

I moved into the bedroom on the laptop (which I know has never been used to pull up that Amazon search) Results?

Searching for "guns roses" reveals no 'Chinese Democracy'

Searching for "guns roses chinese democracy" reveals the listing at this URL: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000CCBC6W/ref=pd_sbs_gw_1/103-1995700-8869461?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 - Note the ASIN# - B000CCBC6W

This link reveals the "Welcome to the Jungle - the Very Best of Guns n' Roses" link as one that people who clicked on this item also wanted to see / buy.  That link takes you to: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000CCBC6M/qid=1133568739/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1995700-8869461?v=glance&s=music&n=507846
 - Note the ASIN# on this one is slightly different.  B000CCBC6M

Oh, and these are DEFINITELY different listings, as the Amazon sales rank is obviously drastically different between the two of them.

I'm not sure HOW this error occurred (if it is some sort of Error on Amazon's part) - but it looks like two different database entries for two different items.  The closeness of the ASIN#s is a bit odd, I will admit.

-darknemus

I think there is a conspiracy going on.

Probably Universal wanting to cover up CD with GH2, or the other way around.

Just kidding guys, relax. :) I have faith too. But I only believe in press releases (well - for the most part ;D)

It is Chinese Deomcracy.

It will be a double cd, hence the price.

The 2025 is the 20th, with the 25 being 2005 without the zeros.

Do you think after all this time Axl will just name a date and release it??

Imagine the stir this will cause. ?Radio stations will be scrambling to play the cd. ?People will be scrambling to get the cd days before Christmas.

It's perfect.

Now both links are called "Welcome to the Jungle" again - still with the #495 sales rank and the #131,000 or so.

-darknemus

do you think they changed record company under complete silence? that's absolutely impossible.

 ?Anybody else curious about MONDAY, DECEMBER 5th, 2005...the 3 year anniversary of the last GNR show? ?Could there be an announcement in the works on the 3 year mark to the day!? ?Let's hope so. ? : ok:

PS ?I tried "e-mailing a friend" the Chinese Democracy item, and it gave me a confirmation, "Your e-mail regarding Welcome to the Jungle has been sent." ?Very weird.

I don't think there's much sense in trying to read into it anymore-or to check it every 10 minutes---as I've said a few times, this'll probably be resolved next week- i.e. the page will be taken down entirely---no sense in obssesing, unless this goes on for a few more weeks..... :hihi:

Yep, definitely looks like "Chinese Democracy" is now called 'Welcome to the Jungle" - well at least the Amazon link that referred to CD is now WTTJ.  I just checked with a different browser - there is no longer a listing for "Chinese Democracy" on Amazon.

But there is a WTTJ best of that's at #495 in the sales ranking :)

edit: Jeez, disregard, its listed as Chinese Democracy again.. whacked.

-darknemus

Chinese Democracy will be a 2-disc cd set with one disc being heavier than the other.

It will be released on December 20th, 2005.

Axl had a deadline and will meet it.

that's the fuckin' question..

however, at this link
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CCBC6W/qid=1133546479/sr=1-14/ref=sr_1_14/102-7302014-1003359?s=music&v=glance&n=5174
I read still 'Chinese Democracy'... I refreshed the page several times, then I opened it with another browser I never use.

I don't think he will name a date. But he will probably hand the finished product to Universal, who are gonna put it on their release schedule. It hasn't happened yet. Chinese Democracy is their biggest release of the decade. They won't release it without promotion (even rushed promotion). As I said many times here, when CD is ready to be released and has an actual release date set in stone, believe me, the whole world will know about it. Not just us, desperately looking at amazon.com for a hint of a release date. It will be publicized in India, China, Italy, Germany, the UK, Indonesia, France, Argentina, Iceland, the US, Canada, Ireland, etc. This is gonna be a worldwide event. Not some database glitch (done on purpose or not) on amazon.com.

it's #494 now.

D i agree! I said the exact same thing a few page sback. Why would they give up the great joke? If it is real that is.

 IF Amazon recieved bad info or had a glitch , they better send all the people who preorded this a mea culpa. And I imagine they will.

I'll be 47 years old when this album comes out.  :hihi:

If I order it now, I might get it on my 47th birthday! I can't wait!

I'd be at the 45 marker ;D

I honestly cant believe I read ALL 20 pages. For practically nothing. I have no life.. Why couldn't I be like the normal GN'R fan?

"Duhhh I didn't read it.. so let me ask every question thats ALREADY been answered"  :hihi:

Its not gonna hit #1 guys. It HAS shot up though. And I really hope it does.. so we can force something out. Whats going on at the other GN'R forums? Anything? They have members doing the same thing...?

But in this end.. this is just gonna blow up in our faces. Thats my opinion. Hope im wrong. But I doubt it.

    -jack

EDIT: omfg.. theres like.. 30 people all viewing this topic at the same time.. its insane. If its Chinese Democracy.. drinks on me.

EDIT#2: Its Chinese Democracy right now. not wttj. might change soon. damn amazon. 494 in music right now...

Theoretically, would'nt it be possible for everyone to reserve a couple thousand copies?

Would'nt it become #1 then?

I'm gonna hold you to that vasoline, man 8)

I know 20 pages is a lot but if you don't want to read it, don't bother posting.

Every post is like deja vu...

People on this thread have been ordering 999 cd's each, that's why it's so high on the sales rank.

To the people who pre-order a lot of items. Don't forget that if something (even GH2) is indeed released, you will be billed for the numbers of items you have pre-ordered. Please keep that in mind.

^^^^ Exactly why I haven't preordered.

Even if it really was C.D... I'd be at a fucking record store not Amazon. Be the first mother with a copy.

Yeah, ain't no-one need that. I would imagine we would lose a fair few HTGTH folk. You would need to sell your PC to pay for it.

I was asking more along the lines of if it were to be done, it would be easy to find out how and why it got to #1... so it would'nt mean a thing if it did. It would not motivate Axl to release it, because it was only the work of a couple hundred loony fans.

But whatever, I won't bother posting.

Oh, that's gonna be some reaaaaaaaal fun... ?;D

Not for their wallets or bank accounts I'm afraid, that's why I'm warning those who think it's just "for fun".

;D

Why not just lock out of your amazon.com acount, and then, as a guest even without a new registration, add 999 copies to basket? This way, the item would still be considered pre-ordered by Amazon.com, but as they don't have any data to be connected with you, they can't charge you anything.

Thats exactly what I did, as I knew id be stuck with 999 copies of something and a $20,000 bill in the end  :P

You could re-coup on e-bay :hihi:

Woo-hoo I'll still be young, I'll be 38 in 2025. Anyway I hope this is not some spoof, because so many people has posted in this thread very quickly.

Nope, it's not considered as pre-ordered if you don't give any billing information. Even though they don't bill you until the item(s) are shipped, they still need some billing information to make sure you actually pre-ordered it and you are not using a guest account of whatever.

FYI, if you add items to your basket as a guest, the items are just considered "added to basket" for the length of your session (which usually ends when you close your brower).

Evolution, that head of yours fucks with my eyes so much I can't stop from being distracted while I'm reading. lol : ok: 

it will end up being released ?12/31/2005, thats my gut feeling

On a Saturday? I think not.

In this case, fake account.   ;D

Hey, why not on a Saturday?  Has GN'R ever really done anything "normal"?  Axl is a genius!  Now I'm gonna have that Saturday night song by Elton John stuck in my head. lol  Wait...Elton John?  Axl loves Elton John!  Genius!  : ok:

I think not. ;) Even with a fake account, you need actual billing information to be considered as "pre-ordered". Fake billing information (ie. credit card number) is not gonna work on amazon.com.

But why does it let you add the CD to basket and shows "pre-order" and not "save for later" even when you are not logged in? I mean the browser cache is still the same, so when you add the CD when logged out (pre-order), it's still there when you log in...?

 ???

It's a conspiracy!  :o

 ;)

It's because of cookies. If you clear out cookies in your browser options, I'm pretty sure it would not show the item as "pre-ordered".

Yeah well I think this is it you are right.  :-\

Whatever, we waited so long for the album, we might as well shell out the 20.000 bucks for a few copies more, huh?  ;D

I have no idea how they might promote this thing, but I disagree with you. ?You say how the whole world will know when it is coming out. ?But don't you think that if CD was just put on the shelves, everyone around the world would know about it within only a few days, hours? ?It would be all over the radio and TV. ?I don't think this album will need much promotion. ?Now they may promote the shit out of it, but I don't think they need to. ?The best promotion that CD has already had is that fact that it has been talked about for the last 7-8 years. ?This is the most anticipated album in rock whether you believe it or not. ?And another thing that has helped promote it, has been the greatest hits.

You could always send 998 copies back.

With all this CD talk, I am jamming my Chinese Democracy Preview disc non-stop, when I should be listening to the new KoRn!

1. Oh My God
2. Madagascar
3. Chinese Democracy
4. The Blues
5. Silkworms
6. Riyadh And The Bedouins
7. IRS

It's filling the void for now...

^You made the right choice

(http://tinypic.com/i43hhi.jpg)

I have been playin with this all day, you know going to the site, and putting in Chinese Democracy.  It in turn directs me to Welcome to the Jungle.  I always thought welcome to the jungle sounded abit corny, but now as of around 8-ish, welcome to the jungle seems to not exist and all that comes up is Chinese Democracy listing.....  (I know, probably everyone knows about this already, not trying to bust out some incredible enlightening heavy top secret shit.....but just discussing it.

This is so weird, I guess Merck called the Amazon people and said good work you numb nuts on keeping this a secret, in long over due time!  and then said, just change it, the world knows now, dammit!......now all that needs to be accomplished is to turn the 2 to a 0, to compliment the year of our Axl 2005...............Chinese Democracy starts with a 20,000 dollar debt for each brave,spontanious, individual with a funny side, amazing.......

 :hihi: :hihi: Well we all knew this cd would come with sacrifices right? Ah, hell---please let this be resolved by Monday so we can all move on w/ our lives  :rofl:

Why can't GNR just be a normal  band, why all the mystery all  the time? It gets  old. In the late  1980s and early 1990s it was semi-interesting, now it is just annoying. 

Well this thread sure slowed down... heh. Apparently so has Chinese Democracy on amazon.com. its now in the 560's... down from 497..

560 for a rumored release is pretty good

Hmmm this is weird. In some ways it seems like signals have been sent to Amazon,...then I realize all the false starts from the YEARS I have been keeping a watchful eye on events...(or lack thereof  :hihi:).....

But Either way...I am here in Australia on Business. I have one more week to go. I live in Canada. Guess what I brought with me?.....hehehe...ALL my Guns cd's LOL. AND I am downloading all the 7 new songs to keep me happy.

Hope there is something to this tho!!!

Iron Mikey

Yeah yeah, I know - I don't post much. But c'mon, this is too good to pass up!

Just two things.

1) Merck's "response" is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard in my life. Either Amazon was right or wrong, but they're certainly not playing games. They're one of the most trusted online retailers in the world - someone didn't just wake up one day and decided to fuck with GN'R fans. Sorry folks, it just doesn't happen like that. My guess is that someone leaked the info early and Merck is scrambling to cover it up.

2) Mysteron - sorry bro, but I really don't believe that you know much more than any of us. I'm not insulting you personally, but unless you can show me that you're "in the know" somehow (and you're certainly not obligated to do this) - I can't take anything you say as gospel truth. And it also seems though, lately, your replies have been getting more and more vague where it can go either way so that you're covered no matter what happens.

There's too much pointing to SOMETHING going on here that its hard to believe there's NOT something going on.

-Jeff

How the hell did this thread become 22 pages long?

Pathetic.

Alot of people may owe Mysteron an apology when this turns out to be nothing.

I tried sending MTV an email concerning the situation... if they reported it then we would definitly hear something. We need to get this out be4 it dies. =/.

I couldn't find a real email adress tho.. so.. i just left a "you tell us" thing concerning the situation.

 :-\

Better than nothing. Im trying

Sorry people I'm not gonna read 23 pages of posts....so hold your horses if anybody (which I'm sure someone has) posted he same commnet...

In this site news section, it says Amazon has listed CD to be released December 31st, 2025. Now, it's that a typo? or somebody is take the piss with the "year"?

To repeat what has already been posted, the release date of December 31st 2025 is just something Amazon uses while an actual release date for the item in question is pending, ergo, a release date is probably imminent (though, merely an uneducated guess of mine).

However, I do have a theory about the GH2 aka Welcome to the Jungle. This could have been an "incognito cover" for Chinese Democracy, similar to the one often used by major motion picture companies when distributing their movies to theaters around the US as a basic tool to prevent bootlegging. They (movie companies) often "mislabel" their movies in order to keep employees of movie theaters, distribution companies etc. from knowing what movie they are actually handling, thus keeping their interest to a minimum as well as acts of piracy. Then again, who knows...

At the end of the day, I see it this way:

1). Amazon put this listing up because they have had some information about CD. This doesn't happen by accident.

2). Mysteron and Merck will probably seem to be vindicated as this will probably come to nothing (why it's been there this long if it's wrong tho baffles me - surely they would have been told to remove it).

3). This still means to me that CD is close because this must have come from somewhere (there's no smoke without fire).

@#$%Funker

If anyone still had doubts, here is the proof that 2025 is a default date for undisclose releases:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000TAPKG/qid=1133564069/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-1639685-7963028?s=music&v=glance&n=5174


/lastroots

Well, this morning I searched under Chinese Democracy and it came up in the Guns n' Roses list. When I clicked on the link it also goes to 'Chinese Democracy'. Not a mention of Welcome to the Jungle in sight.

Then, I went back to the list, and re-clicked the link. It went back to 'Welcome to the Jungle'. I returned to the list it was also listed 'Welcome to the Jungle'. I can't get the Chinese Democracy back now although when you search on the name it still brings up Guns n' Roses

How many people managed to pre-order a copy of 'Chinese Democracy'. Did you get an e-mail confirmation?

i guess thats a technical problem which has nothing to say, its due to the possibility that they seemingly just changed the title, not the page, which may lead to errors on some of their servers. to me it was always cd, it never switched.

/lastroots

I still get this after having erased cache and cookies.

(http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/9254/cdamazon3mj.jpg)

but still, the price for CD is 21,49, and for that shit its 29,49.. wich means its not a random pice....

dunno if that added anything though :p

I've ordered my copy...cost a friggin fortune after tax and shipping to the UK - about $60! I still can't believe I have e-mail confirmation saying Chinese Democracy too.

Is Merck still standing by his statement about Amazon playing games? Have I just ordered a product that doesn't exist?

Can you post your email confirmation to see what it says ?  : ok:

Please do no6. Isn't it odd that only one amazon com has it?


Impossible? I wouldn't be so certain of it or that they changed it. as no label is mentioned there yet.
What in the future, especially 20 yrs from now, You never know.
the supplier doesn't either, Perhaps?

By the way, Does anyone remember the axl stunt by Richard Branson.

As chance would have it, Virginmega.com is teamed up with amazon.com. So is HMV with amazon com ca and you can't find cd or wttj (the B000CCBC6W page anyway) for Chinese Democracy via HMV search.

virgin (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/1040024/102-8681408-2641748)
HMV (http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/3238341/702-6852233-8844029)


What a coincidence! :D

*strokes chin thoughtfully*

I can't find anyone else that has Chinese Democracy, but CDuniverse is still listing WTTJ with a release date of Dec 20.  Only $15 -  I wonder why so much less that Amazon?

That head still fucks with me ;D

It's not his fault!

Because it was a different product?
Thanks. I meant Chinse Democracy.


Yes, I think his short comment is all true.  Yes, I'm pretty sure it will exist before the release date.
the Amazon who can play games...Now I wonder who they are. :D

not really. The idea that this would have turned out the way we wanted was a longshot to begin with. Hes too vauge too be considered a reliable source. Until he comes out with something juicy and in advance then Ill start believing. Until then he knows as much as us

I am going to order my copy now :D

The reason its listed as 2025 is simple. Now that its listed they can start taking preorders and making money off of it. Once the real date is released they can fix it.

Can Merck give us any info other than "Amazon is playing games"?

CD is like an urban legend.  :no:

that is what the new Urban Legend film is about.... if you ever get the Trunk's copy of demos (whatever) and listen to it, 8 days en 6hours and 2mins later you will stare into THE RING and an axl like figure will be calling you "get in the ring motherfucker and i kick your bitchy little ass!"

 :hihi:

i think merck is realizing that even though hes probably real good friends with Axl, that doesnt mean you can convince him to release the album....

You only recieve replies when people know what's going on. The only person that knows what's going on is Axl. Do you really think Axl is going to say anything? Not! I hate people like that, I mean we're the fan base of GNR, you'd think we'd be acknowledged. Some type of reply would be really nice. 

Erm I just ordered 999 copies

Look at my reciept

Shipping Method: ?Standard International Shipping ?
Shipping Preference: Group my items into as few shipments as possible
Subtotal of Items: ?$21,468.51
Shipping & Handling: ?$2,492.00 ?
 ?------
Total for this Order: ? $23,960.51

 
Shipping estimate for these items: ?December 6, 2005
Delivery estimate: ?December 19, 2005 - January 25, 2006 ? 999 "Chinese Democracy"
Guns N' Roses; Audio CD; $21.49

 ?
 

Really? :o That's quick!



coming out from your telly? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :nervous:


Maybe amazon= Richard Branson? :hihi: :nervous:

it's listed once again.

number nine spot, release date in red  ???

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/artist/glance/-/42546/ref=m_art_dp/002-9035194-7561635

can we start to celebrate yet ? ???

Copy of my confrimation email ('the view order online' link still brings me to Chinese Democracy)

Subtotal of Items:             $21.49
Shipping & Handling:            $2.98
                              ---------
Total for this Order:          $24.47

Shipping To

Nicholas R Archer
*** ****** **
**
Sunderland, MA 01375-9476
United States

Shipping estimate for these items: December 31, 2025

Delivery estimate: January 7, 2026 - January 8, 2026

1 "Chinese Democracy"
Guns N' Roses; Audio CD; $21.49

same here

Erm, check second page WTTJ:TVBOGNR is #12. I think all based on Amazon.com sales. Meaning CD is the 9th best selling CD on their site from GN'R.

EDIT: Actually rather weird, I looked at number 8 and thats like #12,000 or something whereas 9 is CD and thats at #665

cafcnickdugay, why the dates on your reciept are different to others?

I'm not sure, thats why I posted.

I only just made the order right now. Someone else place an order now and see what you get.

why is the release date written in red?????


what`s goin on here??

notice the drop down menu says 'relevance'

It actually says

"Guns N' Roses
Sort albums: by sales rank | by original release date | alphabetically "

they are playing games  :hihi:

Here's my order:

Shipping estimate for these items:  December 31, 2025
Delivery estimate:  January 1, 2026   1 "Chinese Democracy"
Guns N' Roses; Audio CD; $21.49

   
Oh great, I'll be 46!

I wasn't commenting on his powers of prognostication; there have been some rather rude comments directed at him despite his warning not to take this too seriously. He did get a comment from Merck which is more than any of the peanut gallery here could do.

if some of us dont care about mysteron its because we dont give two fucks about merck  ;D

Guys, seriously look out with those huge orders :yes:

Now it says "Welcome to the jungle" again.. hmm??   :confused:

and now 5 sec later "Chinese Democracy"    :confused: :confused: :confused:

are we gonna spend every day reloading that page in disbelief untill chidem is released ?  ;D

So Axl will be 63 when CD is released? Hope he doesn't break a hip on the tour!

Merck says it's baseless, yet Amazon is not removing it, in fact they defended it.

Who do you believe?

Don't pay attention to it.
CD won't be released until at least Rock in Rio.

Does Merck say that?   ???

What merck does say is not incompatible with what amazon is doing.


The members of Guns n Roses, as a matter of course!!! : ok:

I don't have the time to scour these pages so could someone point out when/how Amazon defended this listing, and am I right in saying that Mercks response to this furore is unsubstantiated?

I don't think You could find out that even if you checked all the posts, FuckThatShit!


Maybe I replied to your post a few pages back. Not the answer but food for thought

what about the fact that  the name of the album is changing from CD to WTTJ ? because it is changing and its not the cache, could it be a glitch from the site? or is one of the site's webmaster or designer or whatever that is continually ''playing games'' with the name ?? what would be the point of that? amazon is serious shit, don't you think there should be a supervisor to prevent that sort of thing -unless the supervisor is playing games and changing the name  ;D-

but uhm, I guess my question is - could this be a computer error or is there human intervention ?

But Amazon hasn't put up a release date-they've put up a page for a preorder of an album---which means that they think the product exists in some capacity. I agree---the album (if it is finished and promotion is being planned) won't be released until the band is close to touring again, probably around RIR 06---then again, this goes on the assumption that Axl is planning to play at RIR-there has been no confirmation of this to my knowledge.

 The way I view the listing is this: somebody told Amazon that a Guns project is on the way in the not-too-distant future (though with no exact release date given), and Amazon, believing the info, has put up this page and started to take preorders for it. Merck's 'playing games'/unsbustantiated' line might very well be true, but then you'd think they would have put a call into Amazon to take down this page ASAP-hasn't happened yet. I know Will metioned earilier that the announcemnt of CD would not be subtle-it would be trumpeted very loudly by Axl and his management. I disagree--subtlety is key, IMO b/c the minute people know this project is done and expected out, there will be a line in the sand in terms of mainstream expectation---and since Axl is notoriously unreliable on delivering, if he should fail to deliver,everything could get derailed. Doing it gradually and on the sly means you can coax it along, and build up  interest via word-of-mouth up to a  crescendo for when your full promotion plan is set off.

Apparantly Amazon are doing some maintenance on their database at the moment, this could just be a glitch, something that has accidentally been activated when it shouldnt be! Who knows, as usual we know shit!

Jonx

Hehe Now you see it now you don't?a reload button does the swap sometimes, but not always.


What if this game freak Amazon is a virgin?

Check this thread.Richard Branson dressed up as Axl  (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=be215d724f7e94982feac663d6135166&topic=23429.0)

Just noticed that Cduniverse is listing WTTJ twice, with 2 different catalog numbers.  Coincidence?  As far as I know, they aren't connected to Amazon.

that's cause one is explicit lyrics and one is edited....  so different catalogue numbers..

Seriously, I think someone at amazon made an error and entered CD rather than WTTJ for one of the catalogue numbers.  I think someone corrected the problem and that's why we get alternating CD and WTTJ for B000CCBC6W (has been updated on some servers but not all of them, which can take up to 5 business days according to amazon.com website).

I really think this is a mistake and I don't think we'll see CD anytime soon

Good point, I hadn't thought of that.  But other cd's on amazon, like appetite, specify "clean" or "explicit" next to the title.

that would make sense but this page right here has never changed:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CCBC6W/qid=1133498180/sr=8-16/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl15/102-0240113-1410548?n=507846&s=music&v=glance

well, i dunno, but WTTJ is definately coming in uncensored and edited versions
http://www.therockradio.com/2005/11/guns-n-roses-hits-double-disc.html

ASIN B000CCBC6W has been alternating between CD and WTTJ for about 2 days now (read the entire thread).  like I said, i think it was an error which has since been updated on some servers but not all...  the alternation happens because the html files are being served by different servers, and depending on where you're getting the html from you'll see a different result  :-\

I read the entire thread thank you  :P, but what you are saying is that the html files are alternating, and I agree but Im also saying there are several html files and one of them is NOT alternating

+ how do you explain this ? Im not being a smartass Im really asking
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8971/twodiffpage9ve.jpg)

I'm saying that ASIN B000CCBC6W (the link you provided and that you said hasn't changed) has been alternating between CD and WTTJ for about 2 days now

EDIT:  maybe you are trying to say that ASIN B000CCBC6M is the one that hasn't changed?

nope, no biggy anyway - Im just saying the link I gave hasnt changed,  I understand the ASIN number is for both CD and WTTJ but there is no reason (yet) to believe that after 5 days (like you said) it will only be applied for WTTJ and not CD.

Having said that, Im off to bed, Im tired, good night and let tomorrow bring us some better news  ;D

it seems that the WTTJ entry was cloned, and the title of the duplicate changed in C.D.

It seems like they're going to release Chinese Democracy AND Welcome to the Jungle.

i don't think there is a CD.....   :-\

You people ordering 999 copies are nuts, $23,000 US? Holy shit :nervous: I hope you REALLY like it. :hihi:

or it will be "welcome to the bankrout" fo them :hihi:

good one, nesquick, good one  :rofl:

As mentioned earlier in the thread, there is more than one web page displaying ASIN B000CCBC6W on Amazon.

One is alternating, the other, provided above, has never changed. Click that link as many times as you want, clear your cache, etc, it still says Chinese Democracy every time.

@#$%Funker

Whats really fucked up is that having logged bac into Amazon.com after having ordered 'Chinese Democracy' is that they recommend 'Welcome to the Jungle' to me based on the fact I ordered Chinese Democracy.

Now I feel like Axl owes me an album.

I emailed amazon and asked them why the page alternated between Chinese Democracy and WTTJ.  Their response was a variation of the reply someone else got posted earlier in the thread, which I'm not finding now.  The only thing that stood out to me was this part:

 "Thanks for writing to Amazon.com to bring this to our attention.
 
We build our web site information from many sources, and we really
appreciate knowing about any errors which find their way into it.
 
I'll see that this error is corrected as soon as possible."

It might just be a standard response, or maybe they are actually calling it an error now?

No, but Amazon might owe you two :hihi:

has anyone considered the possibility that Merck was alluding specifically to the release date when he mentioned "playing games" ie. the release date Amazon have listed?

there is no actual denial regarding the fact it exists?

Ive worked for Support before, that is a ''quicktext'' reply, it means they will look into the matter later  :hihi: and if there is an error they will repair it, if not they'll do shit-

their response was based on the fact that YOU made them believe there was an error.

You are right.  I responded to them that they really hadn't answered my question, and asked if they are offering Chinese Democracy for preorder or not.  Their answer was slightly less than friendly, but they basically said they didn't know.  They are too big an organization to go check on one item for me.  So make of that what you will.  They either don't know or refuse to say. 

Takeshi from mygnrforum: "On amazon.com you can send them messages about errors in the listings. Around a week ago I sent them a message saying that the correct title for the GH2 listing should be "chinese democracy." It looks like some other people did the same thing and they listened."

Hope he's lieing...

Well that's it then some asshole from mygnrforum started it this whole rumor by lying to Amozon. thanks loser :P

of course he is, he said GH2 and not wttj, how is amazon supposed to know that GH2 is wttj ?

he's full of it

+ takeshi is a known axl hater, over at mygnrforum one can find the most annoying bastards ever that will do anything to fuck with axl fans

since when GH2 is WTTJ?

i really doubt one person or a few made amazon go out shit your right its chinese democracy not GH2. ?If Amazon were to do that they would be the dumbest online store in the world. ?However they are not that stupid, something is definetly going on. ?Im willing to say that 2025, is actually goign to turn out to be 2005, but if not ... its not because someone wrote in and said it should be CD

exactly !

one important question? had amazon listed GH2 time ago? now thay haven't...  that could be because they renamed it as CD  :(
but... why 21$? GH2 wasn't supposed to be double disc? and if GH2 was listed, was it 21$ back then?

i don't think GH2 was ever listed because i vaguely remember checking a while ago when the rumors started and it wasnt there. i guess they still could've added and taken it down after i checked though...

Both 'Welcome to the Jungle' and 'Chinese Democracy' are coming up as two separate entries when I did a search for 'Guns N Roses'. Probably discussed already, but trying to decipher some of the BS responses above make it difficult. Anyway, two separate listings, end of story....

The Rev.

Not sure if this has been mentioned before... but Amazon did a similar thing with Duke Nukem Forever (a highly anticipated video game that has been in the makes for like 8-9 years, iirc).  They posted a release date and made it available for preorder, and the makers of the game denied they had anything to do with it, or had any clue where that release date came from.  That release date has now come and gone with no word on when the game will be completed.

My point being, that Amazon has placed a highly anticipated item available for presale when having no logical reason to do so, before this.

Yeah i remember this happening, what ever happened to that game, i was looking forward to it but then just forgot about it.

Jonx

yeah but they have the same price , release date and the same ASIN: B000CCBC6W----- hey wait minute , it changed to B000CCBC6M !!

TWO DIFF PRODUCTS LADIES AND GENTS
!

Who the hell is Takeshi?? Why would Giant Company like Amazon listen to this guy?? He is definitely lying...
Amazon did this on purpose. They have info that CD will be release soon that's why it is listed on the website...
AND THEY CANNOT TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. THIS WILL KEEP US GUESSING BUT I THINK CD STARTS SOON.

That is correct my friends... "where do we go now?"

The Rev.

well   i guess 2005 is unrealistic. if it turns out to be 2006 i`d still be happy by the way....
remember, the 5 of 2025 has nothing to say....

did it always have to different ASINs?

It is actually coming up as 'Welcome to the Jungle' now. There are 2 listings for this product now; however if you do a search for 'Chinese Democracy' & 'Guns N Roses' you get the first 'Welcome to the Jungle' listing. Again, this may have already been discussed previous to my "involvement" with this thread...

The Rev.

That is correct, but they both still cost 21.49$

And it's now back to 'Chinese Democracy', not 'Welcome to the Jungle'. Someone or something is fucking with the fans.....

The Rev.

Why yes they do. A bit expensive for a CD isn't it...

The Rev. e lator

No they arent, Amazon use multiple servers, it seems as if some have been updated and others havnt, the result your getting depends on which server you get on when you refesh your browser. Some mentioned earlier on that Amazon were doing some database maintenence this weekend, something has obivously gone wrong somewhere! I highly doubt there is any conspiricy here, its either a fuck up on Amazons part or they have let the cat out of the bag slightly earlier than they were meant to, meaning this is actually CD.

Jonx

Has anyone asked Virgin us yet?

It's been like that for a while

First it was the WTTJ Explicit and edited versions. Now one is CD and one in WTTJ. Face it everyone, it's all just a crock of shit till we get an official announcement.

if it's error... where did they get Chinese Democracy? You just don't get name like Chinese Democracy from nothing... if it's updated automaticaly... from where? And why was name Chinese Democracy there? This is too fuckin' weird...

amazon definitely had a "source" for this. if it`s reliable or not is another question. they didn?t just list it on their site without any reason. i guess even the listing of duke nukem forever had a source.....

Well it's almost Monday and it is still on. Interesting.

Didn't you know? Amazon's default name for titles that haven't been announced yet is Chinese Democracy. Duh

 :hihi:

According to an "insider source" (seen on xfm.co.uk), CD should be out by Xmas 05 but the source couldn't get any specific information "on anything in the coming months"...How funny.

Contradiction to the extreme!

Thanks for writing to us at Amazon.com.

Our latest information indicates that "Chinese Democracy" has not yet been released and the expected release date is not known. Our suppliers have supplied the 2025 release date simply as a stand-in until they have more definite information.

As soon as an actual release date has been determined for this item, we will add that information to our web site.

While we do still hope that copies will be made available, we cannot provide more precise information about the fulfillment of the order. In light of this uncertainty, we will understand if you would prefer to cancel your order. As of yet we have made no changes.

You may cancel orders yourself on our web site. Simply click on the "Your Account" link at the top of our home page and select the link that says "Cancel items or orders." After signing in with your e-mail address and password, you will be able to cancel your order for any item that has not yet entered the shipping process.

Thanks again for shopping at Amazon.com.

Ranked 2,197 as we speak.

Yeah they get all their info from Sp1at, the rumour about the UMG Employee has been around for about 6 months now. Things have probably changed alot since he heard this. Thats of course assuming he did hear anything at all!

Jonx

but Amazon won't put a listing up like that from a street rumor.  If they did that theyd be out of business, they got info from somewhere.  Remember a few days ago when just WTTJ was listed it said dec 20th.  Now it says dec 31 2025.  One possible scenario is the record compant is going to a release a best of from the old band along with the new album dec 31 2005, idk but its not an unlikely scenario

I sent the Da Vinci story to XFM. They are not really interested in GNR. Not many British outlets are, unfortunately. I seriously doubt they have any good inside info.

25 days and couting Merck... 25 days and counting...................

You still think its coming out this year?? :confused:

Have all of u overlooked this email Journey got from Amazon.com????

Holy shit that sounds kinda like something to me.

just gonna have to wait an see :nervous:

This is the most outragous shit i have ever seen.  i can't wait till 2025

I was thinking the exact same thing

That to me, answers every question posed in the 28 pages of this thread

Amazon have received confirmation from the supplier of the product (so the product does infact exist), the release date is still pending hence they put 2025. The only confusion lies in the fact that WTTJ is also listed.

If im not mistaken, this is a fairly significant development in the scheme of things??

Good point. It is indeed the first real confirmation we've had that it indeed exists. If this Amazon listing is indeed legit, I think GH2/WTTJ was a cover for CD. A cover was used so they could make copies of CD, making it less likely one would leak with people thinking it was GH2. Seems logical. Have you guys heard the saying,"the proof is in the pudding"? It looks like Amazon brought pudding to the table. :rofl:

The amazon responce doesn't excite me cuz i feel like.. its probably an automated responce. I could be wrong tho. If it isn't then i'll be excited. Could anyone imagine Merck restating the "05 is GN'R's year" comment... and then a day later announcing  the release date.. wow. Just dreamin...

    -jack

EDIT: please don't go "an automated responce wouldn't say Chinese Democracy in it"... i mean an automated responce where they fill in the blanks ya know?