Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The album is good,its not like CB its better...so far Last Fight and Get Out The Door are the best songs for me.

I will make a full review later.

Discuss ?! :D

Let It Roll, Get Our The Door and The Last fight are my top 3. i cant wait till they come back to Hollywood

sweet!!!  :beer: :beer: :beer:

Bad news.

I won't download.

Why not? If you are going to buy it , why dont you download it? I just got it , and expect to be the FIRST in line to buy this album. Amazing stuff BLOWS contraband out of the water. Slash is playing on the top of his game , and the production is perfect.

I want the album to surprise me on July 3rd. (Not in lossy format)

? I can't tell a difference between , its not lossy it's cd quality.

I love 'The Last Fight' and 'Let it Roll'.

anyone know what the hidden track is after 'Gravedancer'?

Im not gonna DL this either.

July 3rd isnt too far away. : ok:

Ooh! YES! The news songs have been really growing on me, and now I don't have to wait another week or two! Gonna go find it now.

Just take the plunge D. You liked Contraband, and are going to love this album so much more. Slash is just out of this world on this album, and Gravedancer will be your favorite VR song by the end of the night.

its called "don't drop that dime"

ohhh, amazing!!!    ;D

and yes, I'm definitely buying it!!!   : ok:  :smoking:

WHOA. So far I'm absolutely floored. Miles better than Contraband, and a lot more than I expected from VR. I'm really starting to dig this band!

im loving this album

can someone help me get the goods.

it starts with a T and and ends with ORRENTS

someone email me with link

torrents suck

Its Great..I love it.. : ok:

someone doesnt know how to use torrents eh?

thats right, i dont understand them. i like it easy

after one listen to the liberated album.  I'm afraid this album much like the first afails to impress me.  Sorry if that offends anyone.   the riffs don't fit the music quite as tightly as they once did in gnr and aren't nearly as melodic.  It also appears that slash is using more distortion than he did in his early days.  It seems to me that he is writing songs trying to be like Stp. I wish he would go back to his roots and write songs like he used to.  they were so good anyone could sing them. many of us did at shows.(Anthems)    That being said this album has a few brite spots.  Don't drop that dime is simply a beautiful song.    The last fight and get out the door  are also decent listens.   album is still worth buying and is much better than alot of crap out there today.  I'll rate it a 3.5 out of five stars.  hope I made sense cause I'm 4:20 out peace :beer: :smoking:

can someone please pm me the torrent-link
thnx

I think it's not bad, but I also think that Just Sixteen is one of the best cuts on the album.  And the ELO cover isn't all that great.  Shall give it repeat listenings, maybe some other songs will grow. 

Man, Gravedancer is a truely AMAZING song. I think everyone expected Last Fight to be THE ballad of the album, but much like You Got No Right did on "Contraband", Gravedancer has stolen the show.

Got it on now and I think it's great. Better than Contraband, more organic and the mix is way, way better.

I'm liking Scott's Voice more this time around, I'd rather have Wish You Were Here over Can't Get it Out of My Head, it kinda sucks. All the other songs are pretty good I'm really liking Pills, Demons & Ect and Get out the door. Overall a good album I'd say better than Contraband.

I'm not downloading this, july isn't that far away....

Is that Duff on "Pills, Demons, Etc"?  It sure doesn't sound like Scott.


 - Sam D.

It Just finished and I just started listening to it. I was really waiting on how "Let It Roll" would sound and it was everything I hoped it would be. Great start so far.

Im gonna wait for the album, it's out in like a week and a half...but it does sound promising!

i'm on "the last fight" at the moment.. gawd i love that song...




does anybody know anything if someone has wrote down the lyrics or something for the songs?

EDIT: pills is also great, like mary, mary and american man. (i'll probably update this list everytime i hear a new song) :hihi:

this shit is way better then contraband at least it feels like that irght now.. maybe it's because it's all new.. slash should be way higher in the mix when he sings in "just sixteen"

for a brother is the worst song (at.the.first.listen)... and damn they should picked another hidden track :no:

Unfortunately, Slash doesnt sing in "Just Sixteen."  The part that he sings live is sung by Weiland in the studio recording.

how do you know that? Explain.

Im not sure why you responded this way.  Do you think imitating Jarmo is clever?

I know that by listening to the record. 

i believe sheep yawn was just asking a question. no need to get hostile.

What's the name of the bonus song?

Im not sure anyone knows at this point.

'Don't Drop that Dime' I'm guessing? It's after 'Gravedancer'.

 :no:no i got it from you dude.. you're my hero ?:yes:

what's with you being so easily offended? :-\

you got the record? :o damn i only downloaded a leak :-\

im on pills n so far im not impressed. wheres the rawness gone, wheres the "rock" music.

ithe only song so far i think it rock like VR should is she builds quick machines.

the other so called rockers sound like grunge crap.

lets see if it picks up from here

I really like Gravedancer or whatever. And Last Fight is great.. really relaxes me.

new album is great!  Better than contraband

I think Contraband had better ballads. Overall tho the more I listen to it I think I prefer Libertad.

im gonna wait for the cd, hope its good :smoking:

On a first risten, I rike it.  I're have more after a coupre more ristens, when it's rearry sunk in.

this album isnt doing much for me.

what happened to the rawness, far too laid back, and way way to catchy, so repetative its annoying!!! contraband at least rocked, this album doesnt really rock, it has its moments but it never flows, too stop start. Stupid scott and his influence.

i dont see how everyone loves it. ok a STP fan could, but gnr fans, i dont think so.

buckcherry>VR

It has its fair share of rockers. If you're saying some of the verses could use some more guitars than I might agree with you, but overall I think it's an improvement from Contraband-which I enjoyed. When I first got Contraband I was disappointed it didn't sound more like GnR but I'm happy Libertad doesn't sound too much like Guns or STP.

Yeah, me to. It's less than 10 days and I have pre-order it so I'm not gonna ruin the moment when I put the new record in the CD player and say "I have heard this shit already"   :(

example, the heavy riff in mary mary rocks, but it never continues long enough to get into, its a shame cause there are some great riffs.

I like this album more than Contraband. It's much more versatile and a nice listen.

Not completely blown away by it however, but it's a solid record which I think VR can be proud of.

Funny thing is, the song I like most is the extra song after Gravedancer  ;D

Favorite songs so far:
- Get Out The Door (nice groovy song)
- Gravedancer + extra song (solid ballad with nice Slash guitar work towards the end, the bonus track is brilliant)
- Pills, Demons and Etc (I like how different it is, nice chorus)

still havent heard it

i think the stand out tracks for me are

American Man
Get out the door
Gravedancer & bonus

and cant get it out of my head

hardest album to find, every link i try doesnt work

Mother of GOD!!!!  How are Jizzo and I out of touch on this one!!!!  Holy Shit, I join everyone else that hasn't heard this.  It sux not knowing.  Oh well. 

for a brother is Not the worst song anymore for me.. it's pretty damn good..



damn gravedancer sounds soo like FTP in the start (i know i will be the only one who thinks that :hihi:)

best songs in no particular order. LIR, the last fight, pills demons etc., american man, mary mary, just 16, gravedancer and "for a brother" i think.. after these songs in the top comes SBQM, she mine and "get out the door" (the hidden song is also among these)

before today i got the feeling that "the last fight" will get annoying after a while.. dunno if it's repetative or something ???



since there is threads about the "old" new songs should someone start a thread for each new new song so we can discuss each song for itself or no?

I?m just downloading it... I can?t wait to hear it! damn.. I thought I had to wait till 3rd July!  ;D I?m just going to give my opinion on the album after I hear at least 3 times as our opinions keeps chanching as u listen to it... damn I?m so excited!  :peace:

Me and my girlfriend both fell in love with Gravedancer, almost moreso than we are with eachother, its that scary good.  No i'm kidding, but it is amazing. 
Every song seems to grab your attention on first listen and then keeps you coming back for more. Then you discover more and more to love after every listen. That hidden track caught me off guard.

AMAZING album........mary mary is the track...

Sounds good to me.

I'm another one who is holding out for the album release, in 9 days.  I don't listen to or pay attention to leaks, for a lot of reasons.   But, the countdown is on!!   ;D 

Same here, I'm waiting until July 3rd to hear the album. Although the leaks are tempting as hell! I think I can restrain myself for 9 more days : ok:?

I'm really glad to hear such high opinions of the album! I can't wait to hear it!

Still havent listened and I am not gonna.


9 days is a long time but Fuck it I can do it. : ok:

You're a glutton for punishment D.

I know but I have heard the GNR stuff and I listened to most of BJ's new album on VH1 and this time I am just determined to wait.


I hate spoiling it personally. It truly is like opening your Xmas presents a week early and then Xmas rolls around and u don't have anything.

ive given a couple spins.

i like it, but it aint contraband

FUCK I CANT WAIT!

Someone stop me.............

where's the RIAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hihi: :hihi:

Don't do it!  It's rike having sex before marriage...and we arr regret that decision!  :hihi:

Libertad is like Sex before Marriage!!!!!!!!!!!


Im convinced.


Give me a T...........
Give me an O..........

Give me a R........

Give me another R..........

Give me an E........

Give me a N..............

Give me a T.........

What's that spell?

LIBERTAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I just Got it, dont feel guilty though because i'll probably buy 2 or 3 copies next tuesday

As much As I love SBQM & Just 16 & all the live versions of the new songs, I've got to admit, that I was pretty worried that album would not be on par with Contraband.

But I'm listening to Libertad Now for the first time and Man was I worried about nothing. This Album Fucking Rocks!!! On So many Different levels All the different sounds & Tunes are Sooo Cool.

I finnally understand what Slash & the rest were saying about how Libertad is on such a different Level than Contraband

Libertad is soo good I wouldnt mind waiting another 13 years for Chinese Democracy!!! Yea I said it. I dont need you anymore Axl!!!

Why?

For decoration, no just kidding probably, 1 for my stereo at home & 1 for my car

You gotta support Rock N Roll

I think I'd just burn a copy for the car...or take the other with me, since I can't be using it at home and in the car, at the same time, but to each his own, I suppose!

For any other band I would do that

Even GN'R? :hihi: You know what, let's not even go there.

I use the one I buy for the house and I burn copies for the car and I burn it into my MP3 player.

I downloaded Gravedancer just now.....not a bad tune....could definitely be a grower.  I like the bonus song too...nice little changeup to the usual stuff.  Still not feeling She Builds Quick Machines though.  I'm going to go for Just 16 next.

I will make my review of all the songs later, but I just want to say that the best track in this album is hidden.

American Man ROCKS. The ELO cover is average, but Slash's solo is simply BRILLIANT, EPIC, one of his best solos after quitting GNR, head to head with YGNR's.

SBQM and For A Brother are the two worst things I've ever heard from Slash/Weiland. The two worst VR songs by far.

* 2 great songs (American Man, ''Dont Drop That Dime'')
* 3 ''good'' songs (Get Out The Door, Cant Get Out Of My Mind, Let It Roll [this last one is much better in the album, it sucks live)
* 7 mediocre songs (She Mine, The last Fight, Mary Mary, Just 16, Pills, Demons & etc., Spay and Gravedancer)
* 2 HORRIBLE, DISGUSTING songs (She Builds Quick Machines, For A Brother)

I enjoyed almost everyone of your mediocre songs, save just 16 and Spay. I didn't get American Man; didn't do anything for me.

It reminds me of something the Stones would have done...trury one of the aubum highrights.  I think I've got a review in me...tomorrow.

I'm gonna wait for the release. ?I want to get one of the special editons with the South America documentary or whatever.? ?That's cool about the hidden song too. ?I liked all the songs that I heard live. Seems like it is getting a pretty good reception so far...or should I say interception?

Quick review of each song

Let It Roll - Cool intro "riff" which is repeated during the chorus, musically it loses some momentum during the verses.  Good solo, good solid song

She Mine - throwaway, B-side material at best IMO.  Generic riff, grating chorus, I wanted shut it off the first time I heard it and it hasn't improved on further listens

Get Out The Door - I don't know, decent riff, good chorus and vocal melodies, solo is decent but generic.  Solid song that doesn't stand out in any particular way

SBQM - generic, corporate rock garbage.  Absoutely can't stand this song apart from the solo

Last Fight - good, mellow ballad type song.  Not on the level of YGNR, LTA or even FTP but it's good.  This song was begging for a "big" Slash solo, unfortunately it never materializes, solo is adequate

Pills, Demons - nice little rocker, good intro, catchy, I like it

American Man - a good bassline is unfortunately countered with a bland, stock riff, chorus is weak, this song does nothing for me.  A nice Slash solo at the end can't rescue this one from overall mediocrity

Mary, Mary - Other than a catchy hook it really has nothing going for it.  It's lacking in energy and emotion, both musically and vocally.  Definite "meh" song

Just 16 - musically, by far coolest and most energetic song from start to finish on here.  Very bluesy guitars, good rocking song.  Lyrics are excessively repetitive, and a band of 40 year olds writing songs about teenage fantasoes like banging the hot teacher is questionable in a few ways, but hey it's still a good song

Can't Get It Out Of My Head - Eh.  Average song, unfortunately wastes one of Slash's better solos of the album much like American Man.  Now why couldn't Slash have used one of these solos on The Last Fight?  Kind of a throwaway track here

For A Brother - a mediocre riff straight off the shelf, not a fan of the vocal melodies during the verses at all.  Boring, for lack of a better word

Spay - One of the heavier songs on the album but it's lacking something, not sure what, but it just doesn't have "it".  It's an okay song, I don't know, it just doesn't have anything in particularly appealing about it

Gravedancer - Good slow track, nice mellow guitars on this one, definitely one of the strongest songs on the album

Bonus Track - unexpected, but good

Overall this is a step backwards from Contraband, as I had feared after hearing the live tracks and streamed links.  On the plus side, it's a lot more diverse in sound which I was hoping for.  Unfortunately, although more diverse, it just doesn't have as many good songs on it.  The songs are more varied, but they are not as good which is disappointing.  The ballads are not nearly as strong as YGNR or LTA, or even FTP.  And the rockers lack the punch of songs like STB, DLT, Slither, Superhuman, and so on.  Once again, Slash seems like he was going through the motions on a few too many songs.  This album lacks the consistency of CB, and fails to match CB in both the ballad and rocker department.  It also by and large lacks balls.  Very reminiscent to me of Audioslave, their first album they played it safe but made a good album and showed promise, the second album was softer and more varied but ultimately just wasn't as good.  It's just an underwhelming album, solid, sure, but almost none of these songs jumped out at me and grabbed my attention, I really didn't hear anything that's going to make this an album many people still care about a few years down the line

Let It Roll -  Song was concocted to open an album, thats for sure. Introduces you to the great guitar connection Dave/Slash now share. The difference in the verses makes it almost feel improvised creating the image of them all having so much fun playing.  Might feel extra strong to me, because this song opened the last show I went to.

She Mine - The song that got my girlfriend in VR. I thought it sounded dark and twisted from the opening guitars and bass, which is why her liking it caught me off guard.  Awesome sinister guitar riffing going on before the verses accompanied by dark lyrics. That little bit breakdown near the end contrasts so wonderfully with the rest of the song until it goes back to its pounding bass. the extra dubbed vocals at the end complete that feeling of listening to an insane song.

Get Out The Door - Crazy Cool lyrics combine with sleek sexy vocals.  Which I was more musically-inclined so I could point out which instruments particulary gives me an orgasm during this song. The bridge doesn't seem to flow with the rest of the vibe perfectly to me. On the other hand, The talkbox solo is perfectly matched for this song. and the ending has a bunch of scott's vocals all singing in strange voices.

She Builds Quick Machines - Pounding riff, albeit slightly generic sounding.  The bridge is straight contrband rock and they slide into the catchy-dancy chorus. One of my all time favorite slash solos, although a BIT on the short side.

The Last Fight - Perfect guitar tone on this mid-tempo bluesey tune that comes out so natural, but leaves you thinking that every note is perfectly and precisely placed.  Only dissapointment in this song, was that it sounded more powerful Live and the vocals were strangely a lot stronger. The ending also fades out instead of getting more intense when played live. background vocals singing "answer my prayer" help give the song a legendary classic feel.

Pills, Demons & Etc. - Where do I begin, Best chorus on the album by far. everything just seems to be nailed on thsi song. vocals, guitars, bass drums, only complaint its a little short.

American Man - Little random castenette action in this one, cool cool bass line. still need time to digest this song
Good track but doesn't stand out as much as the others. The whole second half the song is a lot stronger to me.

Mary Mary - Oh wow, this song is so catchy. I sorta see it as a song that would be played in the background during certain comedy movies.....no idea where im getting that vibe.  Sounds so poppy fun and upbeat and yet there are segments of crunchy riffs.  the vocals are something you must hear for yourself

Just Sixteen - really fast paced rocking song, the verses just seem stronger than the chorus in my opinion.  another addition to the songs with fun make you smile lyrics.  Very juxtapose modern/classic rock energy in this song, which is what makes it really standout.

Can't Get It Out of my Head - The great thing about these VR covers, they take songs that are great, but might not exactly be your cup of tea because of the music style.  They just keep the base and transition it into rock so perfectly. They made psycho killer an already good song, into a good and cool song. They made this song into an almost guitar masterpiece.

For A Brother - Scott again manipulating his voice to change things up a failproof riff.
Another great song, but at this point, it feels things are becoming a bit too formulaic.
Not a completely bad thing, because the songs still remain vastly different in style, just not arrangement.
the breakdown a bit, and I THINK duff singing backup in the outro as opposed strictly scott on scott.

Spay - A punk number that im sure was welcomed with open arms by duff. Quickly puts a sneer on your face, looking for the nearest mosh.  The contrast between some of the epic guitar feeling songs and this clashing bombardment of  instruments is just awesome to find on the same album.  Not one of my personal favorite tracks, but I'm glad its in there if that makes sense.

Gravedancer - The epitome of musical beauty, everyone from my friends, sister's friends, mother, was asking "what song is that".  Following Spay, its well needed, because this song relaxes you and takes you a cerebal journey (woah, sounding way too scotty there). Peaceful guitars and subtle bass, while the lyrics paint a picture in your embraceful mind.

bonus song - leaves you laughing and amazed at how many vibes you felt from this album. not to mention its scary, SCARY catchy. you almost feel guilty for listening to this as much as all the rock on the album.

In my opinion, this album taken as a whole, feels like a classic.  Arrangement wise, I wish they would start taking more risks. more experimentation is always welcome since they have proven themselves already.









 

the album is way better than contraband. i really like it.

except for some moments/songs, when scott comes through too heavily...

I listened to it, but I haven't heard one song on it that made me want to re-listen. Unlike Contraband which I enjoyed very much.
Damn, I'm glad I have Better, The Blues, Chinese Demoracy, TWAT, IRS.  ;D

I've decided to just listen to the songs that have been played live, as I've already heard them. So I downloaded She Mine and Let It Roll.
The rest can wait till I buy the album.

what's annoying for me is that i want "gravedancer" as one file and "don't drop that dime" so that i don't have to listen through gravedancer to hear "DDTD"


(same with on TSI, where i want "i don't care about you" on a seperate file so if i wanna hear it on repeat i don't have to listen to "look at your game girl")

if someone can fix that for me, please PM :)

ok i listen to it since yesterday.
at first, let's say it's much better than contraband (not difficult, anyway).

the first part of the LP is good, scott sings a little bit better and different, in a more versatile way.
he even kind of imitate Axl's voice at the end of Get out the door, quite amusing.

so let it roll, she mine, get out the door, she builds quick machines, the last fight are good songs.
like you can say on some recent aerosmith LPs. not amazing, but decent, and well played.

about the second part of the record...hey guys, maybe it was a better idea to just sell a mini-LP...

well, i suppose the album will be a hit in USA, very radio friendly, with ballads etc.
but the whole thing seems so pre-fabricated and calibrate.

to be honnest, it's much better than their first LP.
but if it's the best they can do together...

(and what is so amazing in american man ??? it's a baaad song, and the solo is just...ok (hey slash, look at robin finck stuff ;) ) )

Great review, i can't wait to hear the whole thing  :nervous:  ;D

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where did you download them?

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Robin fink stuff, what stuff? has he ever release an album?
Come on guy, stop tellin' stupid things, i like robin fink style but he has a lot to do if he want to become as legendary as slash. The best thing robin can do (and axl too) is release their fuckin' album and start their new proyect

robin finck is seriously more inventing and original than slash.

i don't care about the status he has, jimmy page is a legend too,
but he does nothing since more than 10 years except guests.

slash needs to reinvent himself to be as brilliant as he was in the 90s.

I think "Spay" is the album's best rocker.

Only listened to it once but i'm definately saying it's a better album, on the whole, than Contraband. It's definately a catchier more upbeat album than CB, which was very generic sounding on a lot of songs. I think it could have done with a couple more slower songs too, there's only really two on here 'The Last Fight' and 'Gravedancer' and neither are as good as YGNR or LTA. Gravedancer is my fav track upon first listen, beautifiul.

One last thing, I think they should have saved 'Can't Get It Out of My Head' and used it as a B-Side and put 'Messages' (The 'Radar signal' song from the VLOGS) on here instead. It's a good cover and all but I would have preferred another slower original song from VR.

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ohh man, you made my day  8)
Now, this IS funny.

If thats the way you think then you shouuld love Scott Weiland Alot more than Axl

DEN, Im not sure which sport is your fav but I am gonna assume Futbol/Soccer so here is a little analogy.

Pele hasn't played soccer in decades right? Does that mean he is no longer one of the greatest of all time?



Slash may not have done anything spectacular since the 90's but what he did in the 90's was pretty God Damn Spectacular. So spectacular that Robin Finck is cashing a paycheck thanks to Slash.



NEVER compare a career Cover Guitarist to an all time legend.





Jim Bob earlier was talking about opinions.

Well U can LIKE whomever u ewant better, That I am fine with. If u make the statement "I like Dave better than Izzy" or I'll like Robin better than Slash" thats ok.


When u start talkin about who is better, Their is evidence and facts to back stuff up.

I can say Micheal Jordan is the greatest basketball player ever and present enough staggering evidence that would make it virtually impossible to disagree with.


Same hear:

On Izzy's side u got: Its So Easy,Patience,Don't Cry,YCBM just for starters

On Dave's side u got: Get Out THe Door...... and whatever else


See, Its easy to say Izzy wins based on his work on Appetite and UYI's alone.


Same with Slash:

Slash: WTTJ,SCOM, PC,Nightrain,Out Ta Get Me,My Michelle,NR solos, Estranged Melodies and Solos, Coma,Locomotive,Get in The Ring,Civil War, Suckertrain Blues,Fall To Pieces,You Got No Right, etc etc etc



Now compare that to the GNR guitarists combined............


Get my point?

that's not me who compares "carreers"

carreers doesn't mean a thing in rock n'roll.
i don't think in terms of "carreers", but at a pure musical level.

robin has the whole future to prove is skills and originality, slash is passeist and a bit lazy.
i note he made some progress with this album, but, seriously, even if i enjoy listening libertad,
it's not an album at his level.

slash deserves more than velvet revolver.

D, you are 100% correct.  Great analogy on Michael Jordan.

Slash has had 10+ magical moments.  Fink?  I can't name a great fink moment. 

Don't post a damn youtube link, I mean instudio.

For the record I am not bashing Finck or any New GNR member, just simply stating that they don't have the resume Slash has.


Playing covers and a few nice Leaked tracks doesn't qualify.


I think Finck is a good guitarist but until u do something that is gonna be on the radio and our Grandchildren's children will be listening to, U can't make that statement.


So those late to the party

U can LIKE Whoever u choose, that is fine.

But when it comes to who is "Better" there are all sorts of Criteria.


By DEN's criteria someone like Chester Bennington is better than Axl simply based on what he has done lately and that is Insane.

Ditto,

but many of my fave albums are ones that grew on me so maybe in a few days Ill be ranting about how awesome this really is!

Scott's vocals on "Get Out The Door" are absolutely amazing. : ok:

that wasn't nice at all, specially in a Guns N' Roses forum.

Robin is in the place where every guitarist in the world would dream to be, Slash included.

I know you were not the one who brought GNR to the discussion, but your ''cover'' comment was VERY unfortunate. Really.

You got that right. I bet hoards of guitar players are just lining up to spend 10 years in a band only to still be waiting on the release of the first album; all the while being relegated to spending 75% of your live shows covering another guitarists material. If that doesn't scream out the characteristics of a fertile breeding ground likely to produce the next Jimmy Page I don't know what does. With job perks like that it is astounding Slash hasn't come crawling back yet.

We have all had our fun now, why don't we try and salvage this thread from ending up in the dead horse section.

well im sorry but first listen bored me i thought this was a rock band   :confused:

After a thorough listen through, I am disappointed with Libertad.  I was hoping it was going to blow the doors of the music game right now, but I think it was too produced in the studio, and not nearly as hard as Contraband. The Last Fight had so much potential to build up to an epic Slash solo where they turn him up and let him go off, but that was simply not the case. Where is the distortion? The crunch? The length of a quality Slash solo?

Gravedancer is great, but I hate how they made it into an 8 minute song with a hidden track (not quite sure if that was the intention, you guys know way more about it than me). Anyways, the track following Gravedancer is horrible, its kind of a mix between Dead Flowers and a country song.

I just think the sound is very inconsistent. Let it Roll sounds like a punk song, She Mine sounds like an STP song, and She Builds Quick Machines sounds like something from Contraband. Just Sixteen is a good example of what I was hoping/expecting to hear. Great song with a great Slash solo/outro. By far my favorite with SBQM and Gravedancer (conditionally).

I hate to rip the album, I was hoping that it was gonna be another straight ahead rocker like Contraband, but I don't find that to be the case. While I'm sure they wanted to go for a bunch of new sounds (maybe not), I think the record sounds too clean for VR. If they turned up the distortion and told Slash to rip more solos, it would have had that VR sound. I love Scott as a live performer, but his lyrics and song titles are a little weird. Maybe the songs will sound better live, hopefully the album does well.

I love the album.

Contraband grew on me and is a killer album... but listening to libertad i instantly liked it (despite hating the previews first). it has just clicked listening to the album as a whole.

Great work guys! (not that you're reading this)

Pills, demons & ETC is my favorite song so far. im loving this......IMO some of slash's solos on here are up there with his best work...slash has really made his prescence felt in more than the usual way

Well if their goal was to make a lean and rather vicious rock album like Scott said, they sure didn't succeed in that regard.  Lean, yes, rather vicious, no.  See my concerns about this album after hearing the streamed songs and live boots were confirmed, the talents of the bandmembers don't match.  The Slash-Duff-Sorum trio and Weiland are at odds with what they do best.  Weiland just isn't a bad ass hard rock singer, it's not who he is.  Stylistically more of an alt-rock/pop rock type in terms of his vocal style.  Nobody's talent is being fully utilized, and as a result you end up with a pretty normal album and bland album with some strong highlights but the overall package is really ordinary and based on what the band said about it is pretty underwhelming. 

i am a massive VR fan but i agree with this guy. scotts been through the mill yes but in a audio he doesnt come across as a vicious singer...and some lyrics can be lame but other are wondefull....so he has talent. but again i agree he doesnt gel with slash and co as well due to his style of voice.

i must say while libertad is a solid album i am disapointed with it after the band members saying the meterial "is killer"

You do understand that youve said the same thing about 7 times in the past day or so?  It seems like you keep repeating yourself to keep up with the positive reviews, but you dont have to.  Your points been made several times.

There are definitely a few signature tracks which will represent this album many years into the future when VR begins a tour to promote its fifth or sixth albums. However, as with Contraband, there was far too much filler from my perspective to warrant a purchase of the entire album.  All in all, it met my expectations but doesn't make me believe this band is capable of giving us much more than two or three decent singles every couple of years.

LTA gets way too much praise.  It's a boring song that just drones on and doesn't really go anywhere.   I think The Last Fight is much better.   I hope there are no songs like LTA on Libertad.

Yeah I wouldn't use the adjective vicious to describe this album at all, musically or vocally. ?It is one of my favorite albums of all time, so we obviously have different opinions on what works and what doesn't. About weiland not being a hard rock singer, have you listened to No. 4? there is even a solid number of them on Core.

And what is the point of your post?  To point out that I've made my point?  Thanks for letting me know.  Are you going to point out to everyone else who has made their point, that they have in fact made their point?  That would be helpful

nobody else is repeating themselves as redundantly and distinctively as yourself man

Ok just listened to the album for like 5 times so I guess I can give my 50 cents on it....

Well as a whole the album is pretty good, it has a new and fresh sound quite different from Contraband so it was kinda surprising for me to check this new sound of VR... however it doesnt have any strong tracks like Slither or Fall to Pieces (even though Just Sixteen is a hell of a track indeed... just love it). So yeah, by far I?m simply loving this new album which I think was quite an improvement in the sound comparing to Contraband.  : ok:

Do you think VR will make it to five or six albums?  I think they probably have 1-2 more albums in them but VR doesn't seem like a band that will still be together 5 or 6 years down the road

I think his point was... "We get it."

I've been listening to the CD non-stop since I downloaded it, ?I love the chorus of "Pills"!

Nope, Axl is way better than Scott in any way, in fact I went to a GnR concert las June 3rd on Guadalajara.

But that's not the point, this guy is trying to say that Robin is more creative than Slash, and that is pretty hilarious to me IMO.

I think the combination of them being originally a "supergroup", having egos that come with being successful rockstars, and being in their 40s is a pretty volatile mix. ?It won't exactly surpise me when they break up, however it will definitely sadden me ?:(

great! another axl vs scott discussion!!  :peace:

I value everyones opinion, but I love this album it sounds great and personally think
it a breath of fresh air.

Been playing it all afternoon in the car and it just seems to get better and better with every listen.

Im a happy man.

What the fuck. Finck is more inventive than slash.  Come here a week ago, but this is stupid. Fuck do they  let everybody use computers nowdays? see ya.. Log of ...and gone for good.

I still don't know any record made by robin fink, what the hell he's done. Let me tell you, nothing. He's a promisin' guitar player, i saw him at lisboa and i admit he plays really good, but he's only a promisin' guitar player. So please, stop on comparin' him with slash or page, you can prefer any of them but the truth is that fink has not written more than a few tracks of an album we still haven't heard, when he shows his abillity and what he's able to writte we'll be able to start an objective conversation

yay now a finck vs slash discussion!!  :peace:

cmon guys... lets talk about Libertad... far more exciting  : ok:

the cans open. the worms are everywhere.

fucking hell. talk about libertad.

Green Dog, I don't think there is a bad song.  I even like Mary, Mary,  and For a Brother, songs others are down on. 

Spay fucking rocks out.  Just 16 is so fresh, yet old school. 

This album is one for the ages, it grows on me with each song.  I don't see the fillers everyone else is talking about?!?!?!?!

If this doesn't get Rock Album of the Year I will be shocked.  Not that awards validate one band's accomplishments, but this shit is just poppy enough to satisfy the masses and just hard enough to bring in all fans of Rock.  I love it, absolutely love it.

American Man is probably my least favorite of the group and I honestly don't think it's a bad song which speaks volumes about how great this album is. Mary Mary and Pills, Demons, etc. are actually two of my top songs off the album along with the mesmerizing Gravedancer and The Last Fight. I would ask for a bit more Slash but that would be much too greedy for this already great album.

I agree^^^^^^^? Velvet Revolver is a real band it seems now and hopefully will be around for many years.?

I expect their setlist to grow with the release of the new album.? They should be up to 20-22 songs of quality with no problem.


Actually American Man is really growing on me!  Scott's vocals are not bad at all!!

I'm not sure if we'll ever get a 20-22 song setlist from VR, I for one prefer the 16-18 song setlist that holds momentum throughout. 

Give me and 1:20-1:30 at a fast pace and I'm good.

Falcon, I agree, but what songs to you kill?  I would hate to make that decision. 

From CB, I would be happy with:

Slither
YGNR
STB
FTP
Set Me Free

From Libertad?  The whole damn album.

So we are at 18 (including bonus track)

Then you know they will do Mr. B, and Vasoline, and Wish You Were Here...

So there you go, 21 songs.  Now, more realistic, we would only get 10 tops from new album. 

So back at 19 killer fucking songs!  And after only 2 albums?  Not bad!

What are your thoughts on She Mine, For A Brother and She Builds Quick Machines? 

I like For a Brother and SBQM.....

As for She Mine, not one of my favorites, but Duff actually thought it had single potential.  She Mine is better than say a "Big Machine".... 

For a Brother Rocks to me, like the time changes.

If these are the three and only three songs that remind you of a filler, than that is a good sign! 

Remember, take this album as a whole, not as a bunch of singles. 

i don't think the band sees SBQM as a filler with it as the first single :hihi: + they recorded a lot of songs and picked the best.. so it has no fillers.. all songs are good in some way

Just 16 really rocks, I can't get enough of it, my favorite VR song definitly.
Mary Mary really rocks, Matt is on fire in the whole album, Dave's baby Get out the door is fuckin' great, Scott's voice fits so perfectly, the chorus really catchy.
And what can I say about Gravedancer? Just Brilliant.

Man Libertad is way better than Contraband.

Very suprised with this record, I didnt have high expectations. Im glad they stayed away from the sound of Contraband, diversity is the key here. Slash is much better than in the past effort. Now im ready to go see VR play live!!  :peace:

This album is what I had hoped for when the band first got together...  Its killer, and I like Contraband!

Haven't heard Libertad in it's entirety so I can't answer that just yet.

So..

As things progress, I'd prefer they stay away from a majority of the covers. ?I could care less
about "Wish You Were Here" or "Used To Love Her".

UTLH is an absolute momentum killer, no novelty songs need apply.

Slither, STB, Superhuman, FTP, Big Machine, DIFTK, SMF should be staples of the set along with 1 STP/GNR tune for good measure.

From what I've heard so far, SBQM, LIR, Just 16 gotta be in there somewhere.

More to come upon further listening.

Falcon, the new album is so damn good, there is no room for Big Machine, or DIFTK.  I would rather have YGNR over Superhuman.  Its that good, no bs.  Big Machine would be the absolute worst song on Libertad, as it is on Contraband. 

I agree, no more UTLH, but their cover of Wish You Were here is freaking awesome.  But I could let it go if I had too.

Oh, I'm sure they don't think it's filler.  But I'm not fond of it at all and don't really have any desire to hear it again.  She Mine is not pleasant to listen to, for me.  And For A Brother is just plain and I don't think anything about it is redeeming.  Nothing else I would call filler, but those three are basically pointless for me as a listener, I have little desire to listen to any of them again

On a positive note, some of the songs have sounded better on furthur listens, like Get Out The Door, an infectious song that I wasn'timpressed by at first but has grown on me, and it's cool to hear that Dave wrote this because previously he was so anonymous. 

My overall impression of the album is about the same as the first time I heard it.  3 very disposable tracks, the rest of the album ranging from solid to very good, the greater diversity of sounds is a good thing but I still think CB had more good-to-really good songs than this album

I kinda like the album (well, parts of it)... Slash's solo work is much, much better than on Contraband.

Don't like the album as much as some of the others here but it's A-OK.

Leave "illegal i song" off the setlist, that's their weakest song, IMHO.

I'm with you mustaine.  I was hoping for something incredible, and I feel really let down on this.  The boys have to be capable of putting something better than this out. 

I'm absolutely loving "Last Fight" right now.  I could tell that from the initial minute clip they gave us.  I haven't been able to track down the rest of the album (hint, hint), but I'm excited at the prospects as I see most people don't even list "Last Fight" as one of the top songs on the album.

On the contrary, the other 3 songs I've heard I haven't had the same GREAT appreciation for.  "Spay" sounds okay.  That could grow on me.  "She Mine" I don't like, not at this point at least.  "SBQM" is alright, not much of a first single, but it rocks a little.  "Just Sixteen", again has some potential, but "Last Fight" is the only song that has hit me right away.

I love Last Fight too.. I cannot pick a favorite.  Its amazing.  Blown away.  Blown away.

One reason might be that many of us have been have been hearing it for months, so the "new" songs are getting more attention at the moment. 

if you are using itunes.. just change when the song starts and convert it to aac.. then change when the song ends.. and convert to aac..  it will create a new file from the time you choose to start or stop the songs.. its pretty easy.. my instructions kinda suck though..

My only complaint with the album, or VR in general is that there's not enough Slash.  He shines in flashes, but both discs sound way more STP than GNR.  I was a fan of Stone Temple Pilots, and not to put down the DeLeo brothers, but when you've got an asset like Slash, you've got to show him off as much as you can.  Am I wrong here?

Not at all. I couldn't agree more.

Most of the songs are simple bar chord riffing, which as you said, when you have someone of Slash's caliber, you expect a bit more.
His soloing in parts is pretty impressive though.

Yeah, don't get me wrong I really like Contraband and I'm sure Libertad will grow on me more and more once I get my official copy.? But yeah, not enough Slash.? What happened to the 3 solo songs, 2 minute solos?? Where'd they go.? He gives me a tease and then Scott interrupts.? What gives?? I don't mean to complain or sound derogatory.? I do like the band, I really do.? And I appreciate them releasing 2 albums in 3 years, (AHEM!!!).

(Sadly :no:) 80's cock rock died out years ago. If they started putting stuff like that out (and I would love more Slash) they might as well have grabbed Sebastian Bach as a lead singer because they would be playing in front of about 4 people a night after being brandished as dated 80's burnouts stuck playing the exact same stlye stuff they did 20 years ago.

While the solos may be a little shorter, Slash & the entire band for that matter sound fresher and more relevant than they have in years. We should be applauding them for diversifying their sound and style from one album to the next, as Slash has been repeatedly accused of only wanting to be like AC/DC and play the same style rock song for 20 years. Libertad pretty clearly debunks the notion that Slash is not adaptable to new sounds and is stuck in the 80's.

So did most basically every style of music they are playing on Libertad though.  And almost all of the most popular songs off the album, judging from the responses on here, could have been made in the 80's for that matter.  Aside from the post grunge nonsense that is SBQM, the whole album is made up of songs that wouldn't have sounded out of place in the 70's, 80's, or early 90's.  This album definitely doesn't have a contemporary feel.  In fact, if anything, Contraband sounded more contemporary.  So I don't see why a few "cock rock" songs as you put it would hurt them.  As a matter of fact Just 16 is very much a "cock rock" type of song would've fit right in during Sunset Strip sleaze rock's heyday, in terms of music and subject matter and it's getting a great response for the most part.  So I don't see why it would kill them to have at least one or two songs where Slash just dominates and goes all out

Slash doing excessive soloing and riffing is what he's famous for, I'd rather have him sounding like that than trying to sound like every other bland band and current music out there. Besides, he played like that in his days in GN'R and they were never considered 'cock rock' so why would he now?

That's what kinda irks me about the bland and poppy moments of Libertad. If I can't get my rock needs fulfilled form listening to a band featuring Slash, then there's not much hope for rock music in general is there.

Your criticism is fair, but attributing his decision to "trying to sound like every other bland band" isnt.  The reason for his current style may not be more complicated than its simply what he feels like playing.  Perhaps he feels that two-minute solos dont best serve the songs?  You obviously disagree, but you dont have to impugn his motives to do so.

He was in his 20's then, and his 40's now, not to mention that big guitar music was just generally more in vogue then than it is now. What was cool when he was doing it then could very easily be construed as a cheesey old man stuck in the 80's in today's day in age. It is awful easy to become a charicature of yourself if you don't spruce up the routine a little bit. On Libertad Slash has managed to still sound like Slash, yet not a Slash making the same song he did 20 years ago Slash. On the whole it is a poppier sound than we are accustomed to from him, but continuing to evolve his sound and style helps keep him from falling into the trap of being nothing more than a big guitar 80's relic the way many from that era are seen now even though it was cool then.

Ribertad - A Korean Dictator's Review, in Accordance with the Sociarist Rifestyre

Oh, Herro!  This is Dear Reader Kim Jong Ir, of the Democratic Peopre's Repubric of Korea, here to terr you what to think about the ratest piece of American propaganda against the socialist lifestyre, "Ribertad," by Vervet Revorver! 

Let it Rorr - This song sounds too much rike an American carr to arms!  But, it's a strong, fast, hard rocking opener.  Nice riffage and I rike what Duff does with the bass.  It gives the song a rich sound.  There is a short soro, but it's hardry Srash's best.  In fact, the guitar work after the soro, during the rast 30 seconds of the song, are much more interesting.  But, not arr songs have to feature a mindbrowing soro, and I think it's a strong opener to the arbum. 8/10

She Mine - She yours?  NOT IN KOREA, where everyrun berongs to me!  Despite capitalist rhetoric, this is a decent forrow up.  The pace srows considerably with this one, after what seemed like a bristering opener.  Again, I rike the opening riff, and some of the guitar effects are interesting, too.  Weirand's vocars are pretty strong here, too.  But, again, outside of some strong riffing, the lead guitar work is not up to the standards that fans of Srash expect. 7/10

Get Out the Door -  Weirand's vocals on this one are rearry different from what he usuarry derivers.  I rike that, because it changes things up.  But I'm starting to wonder if Srash reft the band, or something.  Another uninspired soro. 6/10

She Buirds Quick Machines -  Weirand wants to smash right through my spotright!  It sounds rike he's trying to defect to the South!  But, finarry, a decent soro! 8/10

The Rast Fight - I rike this one!  The drumming in the beginning sounds rike what the army marches to in the Democratic Peopre's Repubric of Korea!  This is the first rear "srow" song on the arbum, and it serves as a good medium for Weirand's vocars.  This song wourd have been better situated, I think, as a croser to the arbum.  Of course, the ryrics are arr wrong!  In the real rast fight, Kim will crush the Americans! 7/10

Pirrs, Demons, & Etc. -  This one starts with a good riff, and Kim says that good riffs inspire peopre to rive on 700 carories per day!  This soro starts off fairrey weak, but improves, despite being far too short.  However, the song is definitery firrer. 5/10

American Man - I don't rike Americans and their propaganda, and this song isn't much better.  A good chorus doesn't repeat the same line four times in a row. 5/10

Mary Mary - Weirand sounds a rittre gram in his singing, here.  This is one of the better songs on the arbum, but just when some interesting guitar work starts to happen, they go back to the vocar parts.  Still one of the arbum's best. 9/10

Just Sixteen - JUST sixteen?  Ereven is ord enough to join the Korean Army!  Haven't I heard this song before?  No?  They're starting to sound the same, to be honest, because a rot of the songs seem to go at about the same pace.  On the bright side, a fairrey uninspired song is saved because the soro (actuarry, two of them!) here is one of the better ones on the arbum.  [b/10[/b]

Can't Get It Out of My Head - The onry thing that shourd be in your head is North Korean radio!  Oh, werr.  This is actuarry a rearry good cover, and thankfurry it's adds some contrast to an arbum that was starting to go in circres.  Arso, we've been waiting through nine songs for Srash to wair rike this, and he finarry derivers a great soro...which sounds a rot rike Joe Perry's work with Aerosmith!  Not that that's a bad thing, of course. 9/10

For a Brother - Right back to the riff driven hard rock, I see.  This song has some nice guitar and vocal work, but it doesn't see to rearry go anywhere.  Perhaps it would be better if it were "For Dear Reader Kim Jong Ir"!  6/10

Spay - Spaying reads to ress animars, and fewer carories, so this song worries me!  But I rike the aggressiveness of the chorus!  This song has barrs, so "Spay" isn't rearry a good name! 8/10

Gravedancer - Soon the Democratic Peopre's Repubric of Korea wirr be dancing on the grave of the American peopre!  But Vervet Revorver...they rearry srow it down for this one.  I rike the song...it's a good barrad, and shourd work werr rive.  But then I found out that this track had hidden American propaganda!  What are they trying to sneak into Korea?  It's firthy American cowboy music, just rike George W. Bush would risten to!  I see why they wourd try to sneak this in, as it's one of the arbum highrights, and reminds me of my youth ristening to the Rorring Stones.  9/10

Overarr, I think that Vervet Revorver's "Ribertad" is a decent arbum.  It's fun and ristenabre, which is good.  But, the band doesn't take full advantage of their member's tarents, in typicar razy American fashion, and at points it suffers because of it.  Ret's face it...Mick Warr is a pushover, if he thinks this arbum is a 9/10.  I just wish he worked for the UN.
OVERARR: 7/10

Album starts off well with Let It Roll, She Mine, and Get Out the Door. Nothing wrong there. Solid songs particulary She Mine which imo should have been the first single.

She Builds.... except for when they slow it down this song blows. Horrible choice for a single almost as bad as Diry Little Thing

Last Fight- Ironically another "ballad" that vr shines on. Great intro and overall great vibe. Reminds me a lot of stp and the last album they did. This will do well on the radio. Not as catchy as FTP but I like it better than FTP. Still not as good as YGNR though.

Pills, Demons...... its ok. Good chorus. Another song with an STP vibe. I think they kinda cut the solo short.


Mary Mary.... didnt we hear this song already?...see track 2. zzzzzzzz next

Just 16-good song

For A Brother- Eh . Shoulder shrug type reaction. Descent Chorus but not much goin on

Spay- When I first heard the clip that was released I called the song a mess or something along those lines. I take it back. This song is very good. ?I enjoyed it. More of a CB song than a song for this album but comparing this song to the rest of the album this is one that stands out. I dig it.

Gravedancer---- This song basically sums up how I feel about this album and band. The song itself is enjoyable. Ironically yes another "ballad", but I feel like I have heard this song before....um...let me think...umm hmmmm..ftp any1?

as for the bonus track...VR must have heard the nutjobs that covered silkworms....myspace does work afterall

When I first heard CB I was atleast excited that Slash and Duff were back and were teaming up with Weiland. After hearing this album I wasnt. It was more like a shrug my shoulders type reaction. Theres some good songs on here. Nothing mindblowing or even to be honest memorable. This album makes CB look great. Cb compared to this was agressive loud and in your face. THis had much more of a STP/alternative vibe. Where were the blistering SLash riffs and solos? Atleast CB offers some of that although not much. I cant believe I am glowing about CB right now. But I mean this album is average at best. I cant even give it the "its better than whats playing on the radio" tag.

I just came away with I have heard this before vibe from these songs...Its like they used the same formula for both writings.  its one long song.... All of these songs pretty much sound the same. Theres too much talent in this band for me to be hearing that. There is nothing diverse from the 2 albums...u have the rockers and ballads,,,,and each have the same formula! Can I get some kind of creativity? I mean Slash is in this band...godam Slash! Hes even more lost on this album than CB.

YGNR still stands out as the top VR song. Not 1 song comes close on this album or CB. If they just let there good songs stand out and did something else with the fillers they would have something. Its like they make a couple of good songs then decide to follow that formula and mail it in. Why? I dont get it. Give me something with balls, with bite, with a what the fuk was that sense. You can call me a nutswinger all you want but imo this album blows. CB is better and Slash really needs to take control on the next album. If they are not gonna step out of the box atleast have slash deliver some in ur face blistering solos and riffs...
 duff sums it up best at the end:
yodaleoooooo....whatever........

Wow, YG, I'm surprised. Your review started very well, I didn't think you'd rate VR this good... than as you sum your whole experience... like you'd be talking about another album than in the song-to-song part.  :-\

I still haven't heard it as I will wait till the album comes out, but it's strange that some people celebrate that Slash is back again while others say he gets even less space than he did on CB... The more Slash the better I think, but it's not his solo effort unlike the Snakepit albums where he totally shined. On a sidenote: some peopel should decide if they want the band to play the material they want even it doesn't fit well on today's music market or make another CB like that's what is popular today.

I'm not questioning Slash's motives, perhaps I worded that wrong, but I think they can do much more than to sound like most other bland music out there. If I could play as well as Slash, I'd like to think I could come up with more interesting stuff than straight-ahead bar chord riffs.

That said, there are some moments of that on Libertad - Let It Roll, Just 16 that show some of that potential I'm talking about.

I don't like to bash VR or put them down because I loved (and still do) Contraband, and I'll still support them regardless, but ?I was really looking forward to this album. And now that I've heard it, I'm pretty disappointed with most of it.

I think it seems like that because after hearing the album a few times i feel like i was sorta cheated in a way. Like as the album went on it all sounded the same pretty much....like i said some good songs but i def wont buy it.  Theres really not even a clear cut winner on the album...is there really a stand out single? i dont think so

Damn, still haven't heard it yet. Gotta download it soon...

to all the little boys who insulted me >> i say what i want, how i want.
if U disagree, i really don't care. clear enough ?

the thing i can't understand here is we are allowed to talk about the
whole leaked VR album and we just can't do that for Guns. too bad.

^ I guess the difference is Libertad actually exists and is gonna be released on Saturday, whereas Chinese Democracy is a myth and doesn't really exist... : ok:

GN'R have specifically asked not to discuss the album.

VR are yet to issue such a? statement.

Yeah you have all the reason


one thing, where do you live? why is libertad gonna be released where you live? i live in spain and here it comes out on tuesday the 3rd

i mean why is libertad released on saturday where you live?

I live in Australia and the released date is this coming Saturday. I don't know why that is, but that's what's been advertised here.

Cause the GNR album hasn't leaked


Unfinished DEMOS leaked

Oh shit, this was funny as hell.  Reminded me of Team America.  I loved that movie.

Did you do this yourself?  Brilliant!

Ali

Just listened it trough and, well I didn't like Contraband too much and Libertad ain't much different, some good songs but nothing earth shattering. Like with Contraband, my biggest problem with Libertad is Weiland, predictable and uninventing singing.

oh, so when the whole album will be leak we'll be allowed to discuss it ?
right ? ok.

jarmo, you can confirm that ?  :hihi:

Libertad has a bluesier sound than CB, and is more melodic I guess you could say, and there are some real nice Slash solos on some of the songs.  On the other hand, Contraband is a lot heavier.  Contraband "rocked" a lot more, Libertad has more varied sound and is a lot softer and more mellow, but I wouldn't come in expecting an album where Slash shines and dominates from start to finish

I missed Slash on this record, especially the blistering Slither caliber solo. Disappointing.

Hey guys this is definetely not snakepit, a band where all is About slash's solos, riffs, licks. This is a band with much more potential and personality. I mean i love snakepit, mainly ain't life grand (an awesome record), but here you have a lot of more personalities. What i love from guns is the chemistry, the power the potential these guys had when they played togueter, how good Duff's punky-rocker bass lines mixed with slash heavy-blues-rock guitar with izzy stones guitar style and steven feracious drums (at first) or Matt soft and taster drums (after steven) and the amazin' and powerful axl voice.
What i mean is with snakepit all was about slash's guitars, mainly in it's 5 o'clock. With velvet revolver you have a real band with a lot of hard personalities and that's what they have that make them special. All of them are legends (well kushner still isn't it) and you can identify their input on every song they writte togueter. I'd love to here some solo stuff from them, but in a few years, nowadays i prefer they do this and keep growin' as a band because world needs this kind of bands more than ever and because ?the chemistry these guys have is unique. well, that's my opinion afterall

Can someone email me , telling me how to download this please?, cos i looked on limewire and all they have is 'she builds quick machines'.
Thanks

VELVET REVOLVER: Entire 'Libertad' Album Available For Streaming - June 26, 2007

VELVET REVOLVER's entire new album, "Libertad", is available for streaming on the ClearChannelMusic.com web site.

http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/cc-common/mfeatures/velvetrevolverSP/

Heres something "funny."


The impression that I get is that your sudden appreciation for "Slither" is ultimately a means to do what youve always done in this section: put down VR. 

Contraband was so boring, i listened to the whole album two times
i think (then i had the biggest nap of my life). 

Libertad is much better (except the lyrics of course  :hihi:)

While I applaud your tenacity in defending VR, and that you went and looked up one of this guy's posts from probably at least 2 years ago, it's possible to think a song has a bland or average riff but a "blistering" solo

I didn't notice anything in his post where he claimed to "appreciate" or love Slither or even claimed to think it's a good song, the only thing he praised was the solo

But that's ok since he's a GN'R fan expressing his opinion on a band  that has some former GN'R members in it.


I don't know if some of you still have a problem grasping the concept that this is a site for Guns N' Roses fans.

We only have a VR section so those of you who are interested in the above mentioned ex-members' current band has a place to discuss it. It doesn't mean all the posts in this section has to be supportive of VR.

In my opinion, it would be ridiculous to assume that.

Not all GN'R fans like VR.



But I do assume that all the people who post here support Guns N' Roses.

If you don't, you really are on the wrong site.


And yes Booker, you can quote me on this in a few years while taking it completely out of context in the process.




/jarmo

Thanks a lot! : ok:

And this was my first impression of a song which over the past few years, i have gained a new appreciation for.

This is the weakness with your diligence; opinions constantly evolve. At some point in the future, I may even appreciate Libertad, but I am not at that point.

Glad to hear it.  Its unfortunate, though convenient, that the first time youve ever expressed this appreciation is to put down VR.

Such ego. Perhaps you are simply not looking in the right places. I have said positive things about VR many times at many different boards. Just because you were not there to see it, does not mean it did not happen.

The only reason you find it unfortunate and convenient is because it differs from your opinion of VR.

Ali

Well in Bookers defense, if your opinion changed that much, listen a few times so that you get a more solid basis on which to judge the songs.  Silkworms for example sucked 5 years ago, just like it does now.  Big Machine Blows 3 years ago, as it does now.  Libertad?  Fucking rocks.  Let it soak in a bit, then, if you think it still sucks, at least you gave it a fair shot.  I have had BLS Mafia for two years, it has finally sunk in and I love it.  So to agree with Killing Vector, I agree, you opinion can change.

It very well may, but that is a personal journey which takes it own time. Many posters here have written their initial reactions, D for instance. I predict he will hail this as the record of the year within a week. My appreciation may take longer.....

 :hihi:

Booker can call other people biased against VR but on the other hand, did anyone believe he was going to give anything less than a glowing review of Libertad?  His and certain others' positive, praise filled reviews were no less predictable than the people he's accusing of having anti-VR bias giving less than stellar reviews of the album.  It's a two way street, in the end it all balances out.  Everyone is biased to one degree or another

If Axl ever released this garbage he would be crucified

 :crying:

Axl gets crucified no matter what he does.

Wow you both sound like axl  bitches? Axl doesnt get crucified for anything he does , he hasn't released any material in over a decade and has on various occasions promised an album? Thats the difference between Rose and the rest of the bunch. All Slash wanted to do was created Rock N Roll , nothing more nothing less just good , dirty rock n roll. Axl has some grand master plan  , some giant vision which we've yet to see? He is still out there playing 20 year old songs night after night.

Longer solos couldn't hurt mainstream music. He is VERY adaptable to new styles but he wants to dish out good rock n roll is that bad? Is it really slash's fault music sucks now a days? why should he have to adapt hahah?

Listening to this now via the "sneak peek"

First two tracks were good.

the third, "get out the door".....  not so good.

here comes the first single............good tune.  I could see it growing on me.

into Mary Mary right now (the songs before that were kinda lame).  Ok song, I don't know, I just don't think Scott and Slash can ever mix.  It seems like either the vocals are being forced on the guitar or vice versa in most of the songs.  Like they can't decide if they want to be GNR in your face rock or more Cheap Trick/Weiland-ish

nice solo by slash here on Mary Mary, kinda short though.

so far it seems very average to me.  nothing that made me so "WHOA, i need to hear that again RIGHT NOW!".

That's bullshit man. Guns N' Roses and Velvet Revolver are two different band for fuck sakes. One may be so sick of Guns right now, and post in the VR section. But all you show is hate.

Wrong, The band and their managment did request that.

They just didn't send Jarmo the message...

The problem with Libertad (and also a problem on Contraband) is these songs all have potential to be really good to great songs.   A textbook example would be Suckertrain Blues.  It starts off great and has a great Slash solo, but the chorus is just.. cheese.  and then the lyrics top that off.   So its frustrating when I hear some of these songs, because they could be so much better but something ruins most of them.   What could have been two excellent albums is instead two mediocre efforts of barely listenable filler mixed in with a couple solid tracks.

Let It Roll - Best song on the album.  I quite like it.  8/10.

Shes Mine - I like the intro, but after that I'm lost for words. What a disappointment. can't quite pinpoint it but it doesn't work. 4/10

Get Out The Door - Hated it on my first listen.  After a second its listenable and has a nice groove.     6/10

She Builds Quick Machines -  A song that has some catchy parts and some potential, but it just doesn't cut it.  Why was this the single? I HATE the chorus and Scott sounds lame.   4/10

The Last Fight - YGNR II but not as good and it almost sounds like they are trying tooo hard.  but again, it could have turned out amazing, so maybe they shoulda tried harder.  Nonetheless one of the better songs.  6/10.

Pills, Demons, Whatever - I couldn't listen to this one more than once.  Crap.   1/10

American Man - Catchy chorus, but the verses leave me scratching my head.  Some nice guitar at the end saves it from being a total disaster. 4/10

Mary Mary - Guitar sounds great.  Some very catchy redeeming parts, but a poor intro and the lyrics are terrible.  5/10

Just 16 - Another catchy chorus (at least melody wise), but the vocals don't fit the song at all.   The riff is nice, as is the solo.  This one could have been a great song with better vocals and lyrics.  6/10

Can't Get It Out Of My Head - I can get this one out of my head, no problem because its not the least bit memorable.  3/10

For A Brother - one word. filler.  3/10

Spay - well its better than the last 2.  This one has some redeeming qualities but doesn't reach the level it should have. 5/10

Gravedancer - Boring.  I was looking forward to this one for some reason, I don't know why.  I thought Loving The Alien sucked.  This is like its retarded little brother. 4/10

what is that honky tonk shit after gravedancer ???  Its kinda catchy.  At least they are doing some different shit.

In conclusion, another mediocre album from Velvet Revolver. Scott VOICE does sound good, best he's sounded in years.  But his lyrics are stale and uninspiried and he mumbles way too much.  Slash sounds great too, he got a great tone on this album, probably the best he's gotten since UYI.  Even Matt is sounding pretty good, some great drumming on this album and I tend to think his style is too tight, so thats cool.  but all together, it just doesn't work. Although the production is better than Contraband, the material is not.  And Contraband wasn't anything special.  But the best 3 songs on Contraband are better than the best 3 songs on this album.  The rest is all filler as far as I'm concerned The end result is confusing. 

Overall 4.5/10.  Mediocre as fuck.

Let them release a couple more albums, and after that a best of VR album.  THAT might be an album worth buying.  This one is not and I won't be buying it.

i think it's a decent album.

if it was a Guns N'Roses album, i'll be probably less indulgent.
but contraband is a mediocre album to me, and on this one slash
is much better, and the songs are more exciting.

i give it a 6/10

i think it's the best album of 2007 yet.. 7.5/10

it lacks of real standout tracks

Best album of '07 to date.

What i really like is it seems everyone has a different track as there favorite. Mine at the moment is Mary,Mary.

All in all a great album.

Correct, but that's not really saying much is it?

it's saying it's better then mansons and NIN's records but that's it

Libertad and the new Foo Fighter disk to be released in September are about the only disks i have been excited to purchase thus far.

The only song I heard (Once) was Mary Mary and I wasn't thrilled as of yet.? I know that this cd was put together with everyong in studio at the same time compared to Contraband.? I've heard that Slash really sounds good on Libertad and that he has played the way he wanted compared to they way he was "supposed" to play.? He has done a lot of stuff outside of VR also.? He has maybe put an arms length away from VR so he is free to branch out? Or doing so to create? more of a memory catalog for the bands future?? I now see Slash as the controling member of VR.? This is through different articles and interviews that I have read or heard.? He seems to think that Libertad is different from what fans and critics were to expect.? He said he was happy with the music.? I don't recall him commenting on the lyrics though.? I could be wrong.? I'll wait for the cd to make my own opinion overall.? Just like Axl is GnR, Slash is without a doubt VR.? Slash=Slash.? Where ever and who ever he plays for or with will be better.

What? Booker went against the band's wishes by discussing the leaked tracks before the release date?

Explain!  :o



Well, now the full album is available for streaming so I assume it's ok to talk about it for those of you who want to....




/jarmo

I was gonna hold out till the official release but since its available for streaming I thought why not. At first I wasnt that impressed (same with Contraband which I now love). Now ive had a second listen its all starting to make sense to me and I will definitly be in love with this album after a few more listens.

Standouts for me are Just Sixteen, Let It Roll, SBQM, Pills Demons etc, She mine and Get out the door

I'm still in shock about Booker disrespecting the band's wishes and talking about the leaked album before it's release date....

What's the world coming to?




/jarmo

a damn chinese democracy

Erm... IMO, Paul?s last album, "Memory Almost Full" is fuckings leads ahead of Libertad (silly mandolin single aside). The guy?s 65 and he probably farted the album out, but MAF is 10 times more inventive, melodic and confident than Libertad.  Libertad is too bland - or maybe rather too "meh"... VR is still WAY less than the sum of its parts.

Just my 2c

Very average album.  will be the kind of album i listen to for a month and then never play a track for months after.

I see VR going the way of audioslave soon....

You see Slash , Duff , and Matt hooking up with Axl for a one off reunion show that turned into a possible tour?

 :beer: Shit fine with me

Let me clarify that its only the melody in the chrous that is catchy.   Scott mumbling that stupid shit totally kills what could be a kickass song.   The music is great.