Sex.

[-Jack-]

a disscussion with a friend

My friend: do u consider blow jobs and stuff as sex?
MrBrownstoneXIV: no no no and no. i swear to god. lol its something il never understand, people who say that it is. sex is sex. and sex, is when a "mans part" is in the "ladys part". that is sex
MrBrownstoneXIV: sorry i got so.. whatever.. but its something that annoys me
My friend: lol. i disagree
MrBrownstoneXIV: really? whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy sanam?
My friend: if a person can orgasm i consider it sex.
My friend: if u can get an STD from it i consider it sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: so if a person had an orgaism cuz a girl was dancing in front of them (some guys.. it happens) then hed no longer be a virgin?
My friend: it happens? are you sure about that?
MrBrownstoneXIV: hm. am i positive. naw. probably a bad example. cuz i dont know anyone whos had it happen.. and.. i dont think any girl could excite me that much... but i hear alot of things like that. so im not 100%.
MrBrownstoneXIV: =/
My friend: i'm talking about physical contact. that is sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: okok
My friend: oral sex mainly
MrBrownstoneXIV: so. hand job? sex?!?
My friend: ya
MrBrownstoneXIV: whaaa?
MrBrownstoneXIV: i just dont see it
MrBrownstoneXIV: oral sex i can see your point.. even.. if i disagree.. but hand jobs..
My friend: hand job....the girl is touching the guys "manly part"
My friend: directly
MrBrownstoneXIV: yeah but a guy touches his manly part. a TREE could touch a guys manly part.
My friend: a tree couldn't jerk a guy off.
MrBrownstoneXIV: ... o you think...
MrBrownstoneXIV: but your wrong
MrBrownstoneXIV: haha
MrBrownstoneXIV: jk
My friend: when u masturbate, you are having sex with yourself, am i right?
My friend: u are satisfying yourself sexually
MrBrownstoneXIV: no. your stimulating yourself. you cant have sex with yourself. satisfying.. and sex.. isnt the same thing
My friend: so if another person does it, they are satisfying you sexually.'
MrBrownstoneXIV: yes. sexual satisfaction. but sex? no. its a simulation of sex
My friend: .....stimulating to the point where you orgasm?
My friend: i think if you orgasm, that is because of sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: STIMULATION of sex. not sex
My friend: and i dont think a person can orgasm by only "stimulation"
My friend: a guy can get an erection by a girl dancing, but i dont think they can orgasm. without her touching him.
MrBrownstoneXIV: physical stimulation.. touching someone is still stimulation..
My friend: ok when a guy puts his part in a girls, that is touching
My friend: that is stimulating
My friend: but doesn't it lead to orgasm?
MrBrownstoneXIV: yes. the body has an orgasm because, due to sexual SIMULATION. not sex.
My friend: .....
My friend: so sexual stimulation is different than actual sex.
My friend: ?
My friend: then what is sex?
MrBrownstoneXIV: simulation. not stimulation
MrBrownstoneXIV: simulation.. is like.. an atempt to emulate something
MrBrownstoneXIV: attempt*
My friend: i know what that means
My friend: but u said stimulation before
MrBrownstoneXIV: attempt? can i even spell?
MrBrownstoneXIV: did i? my bad.
MrBrownstoneXIV: o wait. whoa.
MrBrownstoneXIV: lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: i did.
My friend: lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: ok hold up.
My friend: i gtg soon
MrBrownstoneXIV: ok. lemme ask a question.
MrBrownstoneXIV: if a guy "sticks it in" and fucks a girl. but doesnt orgasm. is it sex?
MrBrownstoneXIV: i think so.
My friend: yes
MrBrownstoneXIV: but he doesnt orgasm
My friend: ya but he's either trying to give her an orgasm or trying to give himself one.
My friend: that act of trying, that is sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: what happens if theyre just "fucking around". hypothetically. not trying to get an orgasm. they just said "fuck it, lets connect"
MrBrownstoneXIV: no intention of orgasm
My friend: but their genitals are touchign each other, they can still get an STD
My friend: that's like pointless sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: ok. if a guy and a girl were naked. on top of each other. only on top of each other. stuck in a small ass room maybe. and they were "touching" at "certain points". would it be sex?
MrBrownstoneXIV: they could get an std
My friend: lol
My friend: if they were moving, yes.
My friend: ...i dont know what the fuck kind of hypothetical is that
MrBrownstoneXIV: so if they were in a moving car and the car was bumping them up and down, even if the guy wasnt inside of the girl. it would be sex?
My friend: ya either one of them could get an orgasm just form the contact and the movement
MrBrownstoneXIV: hm.
MrBrownstoneXIV: so theyd just lose their virginity?
My friend: like dry humping
MrBrownstoneXIV: thats pretty harsh sanam.. haha
My friend: except...it's not dry
My friend: they're naked.
My friend: lol
My friend: lol
My friend: welll
My friend: why are they naked?
My friend: and why are they on top of each other
My friend: if they don't want to have sex?
My friend: lol.
MrBrownstoneXIV: iguy tied em up
My friend: ....ok
My friend: waht if that guy
MrBrownstoneXIV: random guy
My friend: tied a girl up
My friend: and just stood there in front of her, both naked, touching at the genitals
My friend: wouldn't that be sexual harassment?
My friend: sexual abuse?
MrBrownstoneXIV: well.. making a lude comment is sexual harrassment and sexual abuse
MrBrownstoneXIV: like "ey big tits, get chur ass over here and lets fuck"
MrBrownstoneXIV: sexual harrasment right there
MrBrownstoneXIV: lol
My friend: it leads to sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: not if the girl doesnt like the guy.. shed just report him for sexual harrasment..
My friend: ya
My friend: but
My friend: if a guy told a girl to touch his penis
MrBrownstoneXIV: uh huh
My friend: isn't that sexual harrassment
MrBrownstoneXIV: yep
MrBrownstoneXIV: o wait
MrBrownstoneXIV: and the girl didnt mind?
My friend: no
My friend: the girl does mind
My friend: the girl doesnt know the guy
MrBrownstoneXIV: ok
MrBrownstoneXIV: then.. yeah..
MrBrownstoneXIV: im missing your point here.. sexual harrasment = sex?
My friend: no
My friend: i'm saying that harrassment is considered "sexual" when it leads to sex.
My friend: when a person wants another person to touch them, that is sex
My friend: the act of touching
MrBrownstoneXIV: well a blow job is sexual. but.. is it sex? nope. does it relate to sex? yep.
My friend: a blow job is oral sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: something can relate to sex. there can be touching..
My friend: you can get an STD
My friend: genitals are touching
My friend: a genital is being touched.
MrBrownstoneXIV: man. this goes back to the tied up question. they could get an std. is it sex? no!
MrBrownstoneXIV: no!
My friend: yes it is!
My friend: to me it is.
My friend: wouldn't u feel sexually ...abused if someone did that to you?
MrBrownstoneXIV: no its freakin not. lol. if it was you. would you honestly consider yourself no longer a virgin?
My friend: what if you've already lost your viriginity
My friend: yes i honestly would
My friend: if another person did it.
MrBrownstoneXIV: no. listen.
MrBrownstoneXIV: if you. and me. were both naked. like i dunno, you took a shower.. and i was just.. getting out of the other shower.. at some dorm.. (or something.. just follow me on this).. and we got stuck in a fucking tight closet.. box.. who cares what we get stuck in. purely hypothetical. would it be sex?
MrBrownstoneXIV: it would be awkward for both of us
MrBrownstoneXIV: nither one would want it in this situation
MrBrownstoneXIV: wed just be stuck
MrBrownstoneXIV: naked.
MrBrownstoneXIV: lol

[-Jack-]

MrBrownstoneXIV: would it be sex!!? stds could happen. wed be touching. is it sex?
My friend: yea
MrBrownstoneXIV: no! no no no no no no no!
MrBrownstoneXIV: youd HONESTLY consider an arkward accedent sex?
MrBrownstoneXIV: what if it was like for 15 secs
MrBrownstoneXIV: 30 sec actually
MrBrownstoneXIV: just an awkward ass 30 seconds
MrBrownstoneXIV: i sure as hell wouldnt
My friend: ok
My friend: why do they call blow jobs oral sex?
MrBrownstoneXIV: because its LIKE sex but with a mouth. its an emulation of REAL sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: like and emulation are the key words
My friend: but the word emulation isn't in that phrase.
MrBrownstoneXIV: its an emulation of REAL sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: ^^^
My friend: eh
My friend: i'm done.
MrBrownstoneXIV: oral sex. cuz people dont wanna say "like if your mouth was a vagina it would be sex"
MrBrownstoneXIV: haha
MrBrownstoneXIV: ok. fine.
My friend: lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: you never did answer the thing about the closet o_0
MrBrownstoneXIV: butttttttttttttttttt its cool
My friend: i did
My friend: i said i considered it sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: really? even that?
MrBrownstoneXIV: even if the last thing on our minds was sex
My friend: i answered
My friend: and al we wanted to do was leave?
My friend:

MrBrownstoneXIV: wed just be stuck
MrBrownstoneXIV: naked.
MrBrownstoneXIV: lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: would it be sex!!? stds could happen. wed be touching. is it sex?
My friend: yea

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MrBrownstoneXIV: nooooooooooooo! lol. sanam it is SO not sex. but il leave you with your opinion... i see you wont be swayed.
My friend: then we'd put something between us wouldn't we if we?
MrBrownstoneXIV: not if we were nakeddddddddddd
MrBrownstoneXIV: and stuck
MrBrownstoneXIV: you have to look at this from the hypothetical view point that wed be touching. and that we couldnt do anything about it cuz wed be stuck
MrBrownstoneXIV: theres no "if" "buts" or "what if?"
My friend: i would feel sexually uncomfortable.
My friend: i would feel violated or something
My friend: it's a sexual experience.
My friend: just being exposed like that.
MrBrownstoneXIV: man. kissing someone is a sexual experience
My friend: no it's not
My friend: u can kiss your mom
My friend: or dad or brother
My friend: or sister.
My friend: or anyone.
MrBrownstoneXIV: ok. making out for 2 hours straight
MrBrownstoneXIV: sexual experience
MrBrownstoneXIV: and yeah. it is.
My friend: ok but i dont think that can make a person orgasm, just making out
MrBrownstoneXIV: but its still a sexual experience. you cant convince me otherwise either. making out is a sexual experience. and there is no sex involved there
MrBrownstoneXIV: no actual sex
My friend: no one is touching anyones genitals
My friend: u cant get an STD from it
MrBrownstoneXIV: ok. sanam, if you want to play ignorant here (and i dont mean that offensivly AT ALL) and think that making out is a non sexual experience, then thats fine with me. but, i know, ive done it, and i can tell you, its sexual. 100% sex drive driven.
MrBrownstoneXIV: anyone could tell you that
My friend: ok it's sexual
My friend: but it's not actual sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: just like blow jobs, hand jobs, and the rest!
My friend: no
MrBrownstoneXIV: yea!
My friend: i'ts not like a blow job or a hand job
MrBrownstoneXIV: *sigh*. the only difference is that "something" is being touched. its a difference, your right. but its not sex. sex is not the same as a blowjob.
My friend: i wouldn't feel like a virgin if a guy gave me oral
MrBrownstoneXIV: well, perhaps youd feel "non virgin" but you in fact, would be, a virgin. as no man took his penis and put it in. and there was no. repeat, no sex. someone can feel like a "non-virgin" by just being slutty.. you lose apart of your "purity" (whatever you wanna call it) the first time you jerk off, or have lustful thoughts..
My friend: i wouldn't feel "pure" if a guy gave me oral sex.
MrBrownstoneXIV: well thats what im saying, do you feel pure when you lust after some guy? no. have you had sex? nope.
My friend: i feel pure
My friend: when i lust after a guy
My friend: lol
My friend: becasue i know i'm ont going to have sex with him
MrBrownstoneXIV: hm.
My friend: or do anything sexually with him
MrBrownstoneXIV: ok. look. when i lust after women, which i do. i dont ALWAYS feel bad after, in fact not alot of the time.. but on occasion i stop to think "hey you know what.. its bad for me to think this way about my sisters. i should try and be more pure in my thoughts." so theres SOME element of guilt. your saying youve never thought something along those lines./
MrBrownstoneXIV: ?*
My friend: i'm tired jack.. i dont really understand your question
MrBrownstoneXIV: lol
My friend: ....ar eyou asking if if've ever felt bad about ....liking a guy?
MrBrownstoneXIV: no. about wanting to fuck a guys brain out. nasty sexual thoughts that if other people heard theyd just be like "DAYUM GIRL! YOU GOT ISSUES!"
MrBrownstoneXIV: and not.. even bad nessarly. just "unpure"
My friend: ....lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: cuz that relates to this...

My friend: i wouldn't feel "pure" if a guy gave me oral sex.

My friend: ummmmm yeah i'd feel bad if i really wanted it...but i don't
MrBrownstoneXIV: so you lust weird ass things. but you dont want it? why lust for something you dont want. doesnt make sense
My friend: no
My friend: i lust
My friend: but
My friend: i am not going to have sex or perform any sexual acts with anyone until i am old enough, or until i completely trust the person...and love them.....and plan to marry or something. and if i find that person, i would try to control myself until i marry him
MrBrownstoneXIV: sanam. you lust, because you want something. you dont lust over something you dont want. maybe you wouldnt actually do it. but your thinkin about it.. and on some level you want it.
My friend: jaccck i'm tired.
My friend: yeah but not now
My friend: lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: sanam. look man. im just saying... you said that oral sex would make you feel non virgin, unpure, not clean (whatever you said).. and you said that, to make a point, on why oral sex is "sex". and.. im just saying anything can make you feel that way. thoughts can.
My friend: ok
My friend: but wouldn't it suck if you got an STD from someone after giving them oral sex, when you haven't even had intercourse before?
My friend: woulnd't you regret that for the rest of your life?
MrBrownstoneXIV: yep. it would suck. but it would suck in the same way that sharing a needle with some guy who has aids would suck
My friend: ok.
My friend: my way o fthinking is....that i'm not going to go and do something that i could regret for the rest of my life....when i am young, and i don't know what i want out of life. and i'm not sure what love is. ...i'm not going to risk all of that to satisfy an urge that would go away in a short amount of time.
My friend: anyway
My friend: and i'm going to bed.
MrBrownstoneXIV: lol alrighty
My friend: ok, do u respect that though?
MrBrownstoneXIV: i respect your opinion
MrBrownstoneXIV: lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: gnight sanam =). i love you. it was a fun convo
My friend: do u think... maybe, just MAYBE i could be right ?
My friend: do u have the slight little thought in the back of your head....maybe sanam was right ... lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: *sigh*.. i SEE where your coming from. and i understand what your trying to say. but im just not.. i just cant agree
My friend: ok
MrBrownstoneXIV: not at all. lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: like i said, i understand. but i just dont feel that way
MrBrownstoneXIV: lol
My friend: ok
My friend: same to you
My friend: good night.
MrBrownstoneXIV: lol
MrBrownstoneXIV: gnight

[-Jack-]

ok folks. that was a discussion with me and one of my friends. and my question is.. where do you draw the line? Am i right? is she right?

You tell me.

[Sin Cut]

cheating is cheating if you get caught, blow job isn't cheating even if you get caught.

[Chelle]

I'm too tired to read the whole thing, but in my humble opinion... Sex is sexual intercourse.? Oral sex is not sex, even though you can get STDs.? If she thinks that making out is the same as kissing your mom...? ??? ?She's just very much a virgin, but nothing wrong with that.? ?? How old is this girl?? Bless her heart...

[SLCPUNK]

Oral sex is just like a handshake these days...........

[Lisa]

remind me not to shake your hand

[Sin Cut]

Oral sex is just like a handshake these days...........

have yuou shook a lot of "hands" lately?

[Sterlingdog]

I think oral sex is a type of sex, its just not intercourse.  If you haven't had intercourse then you are a virgin.

cheating is cheating if you get caught, blow job isn't cheating even if you get caught.

I would think that if you have to lie about it, its cheating.

[-Jack-]

I'm too tired to read the whole thing, but in my humble opinion... Sex is sexual intercourse.  Oral sex is not sex, even though you can get STDs.  If she thinks that making out is the same as kissing your mom...       She's just very much a virgin, but nothing wrong with that.     How old is this girl?  Bless her heart...

Chelle.. thank you. Sex is ONLY sexual intercorse. 

[mikegiuliana]

oral sex is definetly cheating, tell your girlifriend or wife you got a bj and se how she feels.

[SLCPUNK]

remind me not to shake your hand

I got the softest hands in Tampa!

[SLCPUNK]

Chelle.. thank you. Sex is ONLY sexual intercorse. 

[-Jack-]

Whaaa? Explain SLCPUNK. I wanna hear your opinions.. which is why i started this thread.

[Bridge]

so if a guy gets his dick sucked by 1000000 different girls, but gets no pussy, he is still a virgin?      get the fuck outta here...

and remember, the definition of the word "virgin" has changed tons of times over the centuries.  it used to mean nothing more than an umarried woman, so it doesn't have to mean somebody who hasnt bumped pelvises.

[Sterlingdog]

so if a guy gets his dick sucked by 1000000 different girls, but gets no pussy, he is still a virgin?? ? ? get the fuck outta here...

and remember, the definition of the word "virgin" has changed tons of times over the centuries.? it used to mean nothing more than an umarried woman, so it doesn't have to mean somebody who hasnt bumped pelvises.

From Dictionary.com:

vir?gin
n.
A person who has not experienced sexual intercourse.
A chaste or unmarried woman; a maiden.
An unmarried woman who has taken religious vows of chastity.
Virgin The Virgin Mary.
Zoology. A female insect or other arthropod that produces fertile eggs without copulating.


So given your example, I'd say yes, the guy would be a virgin.? And a very lucky one.

[Chelle]

so if a guy gets his dick sucked by 1000000 different girls, but gets no pussy, he is still a virgin? get the fuck outta here...

Yes, he's technically still a virgin in my opinion ...? but what's the fucking point in doing everything but intercourse, just to call yourself a "virgin"?? I dunno? ?

Seriously, 1000000 different girls and NO pussy?? ?? ?You get the fuck outta here! ?

...? haha? ?

[Prometheus]

serioausly if a guys gets sucked off by 1000000 girls and dont get laid..... ther eis def soemthign wong with the guy's package... or he found every prude in canada

[-Jack-]

im not really trying to define virginity... thats your opinions there.. it can be mental.. it can relate to intercorse.. ect. you opinion

im trying to define what constitutes sex

[journey]

A blowjob is a sexual act. That's why it's called oral sex. And yes, it is cheating to have oral sex with someone other than your significant other. If you want blow jobs from numerous girls, then I suggest you stay single. Don't commit to someone if you're going to have that kind of attitude.