Where's the Attitude!? The "edge"!? (Better, IRS)

[mrvics]

What's with the Family-Friendly lyrics?   In my opinion, these songs would be a lot more convincing if they used a little explicit language.  Especially IRS.  I love Axl's soft, love songs, no doubt, but where's the fuckin' attitude and conviction and "edge" in songs like IRS and Better!?  I'm not looking for another AFD, just a few "I dont give a fucks", "fuck yous" etc.

What do ya'll think?  Would these songs be a litte more effective with some adult language?


V~

P.S.
Am I breaking any of the forum rules by using bad words? 

[jarmo]

P.S.
Am I breaking any of the forum rules by using bad words??

No fucking way.




/jarmo

[avesia]

Considering the fact that most of the songs are about Stephanie Seymour, yeah...some "fuck yous" would be fine 

[McDuff]

maybe Axl doesn't want to use those words on the songs when he will say them alot more when GN'R on on tour ?

[killingvector]

IRS is not about Steph.

[Poof!]

Actually, I think that an intelligent approach to expressing ones anger/disappointment at people who were once close to you is by far more appealing than "fuck yous". It allows one to dig deeper instead of that instant gratification/release of a cuss word. I'm sure Axl's not completely done with profanity, but he can't stay a pissed off 28 year old forever.

[zombux]

try Slipknot or Limp Bizkit if you want to hear "fuck" in every verse

[avesia]

IRS is not about Steph.

I said "most of them"...
...oh, and it was a joke 

[HoldenCaulfield]

I think Axl's matured a bit. I dunno. I think he can convey his feelings in better ways than just saying "hey bitch, fuck you!"...

[littlewing]

What do ya'll think?  Would these songs be a litte more effective with some adult language?

I've always felt that swearing for the sake of swearing or being edgy is dumb.

[mrvics]

I think Axl's matured a bit. I dunno. I think he can convey his feelings in better ways than just saying "hey bitch, fuck you!"...

Yeah, I understand what you guys are saying and I agree.  But one of the things about Axl that I've always loved is his attitude. Just a little, ya know?  Like in Better where he says, "We played the part, you broke my heart, I should've known you're crazy."  He could've slipped a "I should've known you're fuckin crazy".  That isn't unintelligent, just passionate.  Make sense? 

By the way, Better is really one of the BEST SONGS I've heard in a very, very long time.  I'm in love with this damn song!  It's complexity and emotion is brilliant! 

V~

P.S.
I tried posting this same topic, almost identical, at mygnr.com, which i'm a regular at, and it was never posted. Can't figure out why. Weird.  I tried three times.  That's why I asked if me saying "fuck" would be breaking some rules.  So for some reason I feel like thanking you for allowing me to post this.  Sounds ridiculous, right?  Yeah.   

[estebanf]

What's with the Family-Friendly lyrics?? ?In my opinion, these songs would be a lot more convincing if they used a little explicit language.? Especially IRS.? I love Axl's soft, love songs, no doubt, but where's the fuckin' attitude and conviction and "edge" in songs like IRS and Better!?? I'm not looking for another AFD, just a few "I dont give a fucks", "fuck yous" etc.

What do ya'll think?? Would these songs be a litte more effective with some adult language?

I think you're forgeting Chinese Democracy, that track has tons of attitude.
...and it has the word ''masturbation'' ?

[Acquiesce]

A song can have attitude without swearing.

[axlsalinger]

"Rhiad and the Bedouins
 Had a plan and thought they'd win
 But I don't give a fuck 'bout them
 Cause I am crazy"

[Eclipsed107]

Axl isn't 20 anymore, there's no need for him to act like it.

Plus saying fuck in a song isn't badass anymore, it's come to the point where if you do it too much it's quite lame.

[mrvics]

A song can have attitude without swearing.

I agree.  I guess I really don't want to see Axl's work evolve into all about forgiving, compassion, tolerance, etc.  Those things are great and I want to hear some songs that are all about that but, I mean, I'm all for therapy and working through personal issues in a healthy manner, but sometimes I just want to rock out! And sometimes, especially when I'm running, I want to feel selfish and want some music that will help me get some aggressions out.  For example, I have this live performance of Paradise City where Axl's really pissed and he threw in a "BITCH" after a verse.  That quick "BITCH" made me believe he had someone in mind and also helped me keep someone in mind while I ran, worked out, rode my motorcycle or whatever, and I could literally feel adrenaline kick in, simply because of the passion that Axl communicated through some simple lyrics.

...

...ok, I'm crazy.


V~

[Megaguns]

They dont need to swear, That part in better: i never wanted you to be so full of anger...etc
thats fukin evil

[mrvics]

They dont need to swear, That part in better: i never wanted you to be so full of anger...etc
thats fukin evil

You're right.  It is.  That's one of my favorite parts of that song.  Brilliant!!!

[axls#2]

Don't forget silkworms! ?If you like edgy profanity. check that one out. ?
 
Actually I do tend to agree with mrvics, but we have only heard three new songs so far. ?There could be some more profanity on some of the other tracks, but I don't think that profanity would have fit in "better". It would sound really obviously gratuitous. ?? It wouldn't have flowed in the spot that you suggested.? If he would have sang " I should have known you're fucking crazy," i think it would have sounded a little awkward.? Because at the rate the vocals were going and such, it would? have probably thrown the rest of the song off.?

But I think that when axl includes profanity, he does it wisely to illustrate just how extremely pissed he is or else it actually makes the lyrical flow smoother, like in out ta get me the first time he sings, "i got somethin i've been building up insiiiiiiide for so fucking loooooonnnng". ? It just fits in that song and would sound kinda weird if he sang "i got somethin i've been building up inside for so..... loooooonnnng, it would have sounded lame, and that is why I think he is one of the best for knowing when and when not to use profanity.? And that what makes him such a bad ass.? ?Axl seems to write the lyrics first and if it needs cursing he will add it, while tools like limp bizkit will write a song called fuck and will abuse it to prove how bad they are, but it actually proves how dumb they are when that is the most common word on the song.?

[Ineverlearn000022]

..."I didn't buy that 5th of whiskey that you gave me!"....So you can suck me...take that one to heart.