Spinal Tap

[Mysteron]

Ive been a GNR fan for 20 years, never seen them live but I have followed GNR for the best part of my life. Ive been reading this site since it started. After watching the Lisbon show on the internet I am very skeptical about attending my first GNR show. I have convinced the majority of my mates to go who are also GNR (ex GNR - cos thats all they can go by) fans and I am starting to worry that this is going to be shit.

I am worried that Axl is going in the wrong direction with this band and returning to the SOAP Opera days of GNR. Most people became guns fans because the of pure Rockin n Roll substance they had between 87 - 91.
-- Out of control
-- Rock n Roll
-- Unreal musicians
-- Sounded great
-- Axl tore up the stage. Non stop movement in his own unique way.
-- Basically Axl was the best front man in the world, Slash the best (Iconic) guitarist, Izzy added the Rockin n Roll touch, Duff was the punk & Popcorn or Sorum filled the disco beats.

They lost a lot of fans after 92 because the band became a bloated heap of Rock Opera (No new music, 80 dress code, Horn Sections, Costume changes, Long gaps between songs, A Fat turd of a Keyboard player(paid to bang a tambourine -> Teddy) and a band who was becoming FAT & disorientated.

I was originally convinced that AXL was going in the right direction:
-- Full attention on the music. Bringing back the raw days of GNR.
-- Writing dynamic and complex tunes that played Live would become Epics (Madagascar, Blues).

After watching Lisbon I am now afraid Axl is going to become Spinal Tap.

-- A shit load of musicians with no direction.
-- Changing clothes in between each song.
-- Long delays between each song.
-- Bringing the half empty wine bottle on stage to scream "You know where the fuck you are"
-- Pretending that the "James Brown" tune was improvisation and jamming? The cheesy laugh after the song as if to say "that was kinda cool", even though he did the exact same thing the other night. His "oooo Yeahs" that he sings while improvising sound like the fuckin shit that ruined the Sympathy for the Devil cover.
-- Guitar solo's & drum solo's.
-- That stupid fucking sound control monitor he has attached to his hip.
-- The 2 miles an hour Serpentine Dance (a sign of a chunky has been).
-- The vegas style to the show (that will not go down well in UK & Ireland). Anything cheap and Americanised can fuck back off across the sea. Introducing the band in the final part of the heaviest GNR tune (paradise city).
-- One of their lead guitarists joining the band 2 weeks before the tour.

I am also worried about AXLs voice. He sounds like he is holding back incase he fucks up a note hear or there. Rather than sing the songs he is simply just trying to get the words out in a raspy sounding voice. I think he should hold back on singing Better (I fuckin love the Demo) and IRS until he has practiced singing the melodies a million times over.He is doing these songs no Justice at all. His voice is all over the place.

Seriously I want this to work as much as anyone else. I do not have Slash hanging out of my ass (I hate VRs song writing capabilities) & I am certainly not living in the past (I am interested in both new and classic rock).

I think the following are lame ass excuses:
-- He?s 44 (he chose to make his fuckin comeback now and not 10 years ago).
-- The monitor blew up. Fuck off. U2 have played 1000 gigs with absolute perfect sound (P.S I am not a U2 fan). Either pay for a decent sound engineer or rehearse ( and sing in fuckin rehearsals ).

I see a GNR fence.
On one side you have the media that have there reviews written before the gig even starts. The AXL haters.
On the other side you have people who see the sun shining out of AXLs ass. If he walked on stage, took & turd and left, these people would say ?Amazing. What a turd. He?s 44 that?s why it was that color. It?s a far better turd than what Slash could do etc etc.

I like to believe I am sitting on top of the fence and observing from a realistic point of view.
Axl please return GNR back to its roots, whether with the New Version or the Old. Bring it back to the music. No Vegas. No cheese. No spinal tap. Run that stage like the lunatic you use to be. Rockin Roll should not be perfect. But it should Roll.

Slate my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you analyse things too much 

[mega_music]

Wow, why did I just waste my time reading another Guns bashing thread. Hell we all know we were going to get some of these guys. But damn I give this guy credit he wrote a whole book about it.

As I have said in all the other bash threads.
Axl has already said some people are not going to like the new sound. My advice to those still holding onto the old guns is to let them go! Be thankful you had the music the old guys made, but damn give us who are support the new lineup a break from all the bashing!

Dude you can look forward to a Velvet Revolver CD oh nevermind you will sit and analyze them also saying they are a circus and need Axl back. 

[darkmonth]

-- The vegas style to the show (that will not go down well in UK & Ireland). Anything cheap and Americanised can fuck back off across the sea. Introducing the band in the final part of the heaviest GNR tune (paradise city).

FINALLY ... someone ELSE saying what I said to my girlfriend after watching Rio ... that they seem like a Vegas act... destined to join the likes of Elton John and Celine Dion, doing a sit down tour in some casino....

Axl's clothes ... how fucking cheesy, vegas pimp did he look?  Ginger braids?  WTF?  Doesn't he know that at school he'd have had his ass kicked for that?  And the blue and purple filtered lighting isn't subtle and cool like the white, red etc spot's from the old shows, it's slimey and tacky and seems like it's being done for TV.  Chat Show's do that when they have an act on in the UK ... Parkinson or something.... eugh.

Listen... I hope to FUCK that Axl doesn't do this for Download.  He WILL get boo'd off stage.  The metal crowd at Donnington, will NOT accept such cheese.  Guns N' Roses or not.  They'll expect the raw, hard rock band.  If they don't get that (and don't tell me GnR is a raw hard rock band now ... they aren't)... they will throw piss and insults at Axl.

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Doesn't he know that at school he'd have had his ass kicked for that? 
[. . .]
  The metal crowd at Donnington, will NOT accept such cheese.

 

I doubt that Axl spends a lot of time in the schoolyard these days. But what do I know?



And you're right, metal fans accept no cheese. Ever. They're reknowned for their refined tastes. For example:



 

[Mysteron]

-- The vegas style to the show (that will not go down well in UK & Ireland). Anything cheap and Americanised can fuck back off across the sea. Introducing the band in the final part of the heaviest GNR tune (paradise city).

FINALLY ... someone ELSE saying what I said to my girlfriend after watching Rio ... that they seem like a Vegas act... destined to join the likes of Elton John and Celine Dion, doing a sit down tour in some casino....

Axl's clothes ... how fucking cheesy, vegas pimp did he look?? Ginger braids?? WTF?? Doesn't he know that at school he'd have had his ass kicked for that?? And the blue and purple filtered lighting isn't subtle and cool like the white, red etc spot's from the old shows, it's slimey and tacky and seems like it's being done for TV.? Chat Show's do that when they have an act on in the UK ... Parkinson or something.... eugh.

Listen... I hope to FUCK that Axl doesn't do this for Download.? He WILL get boo'd off stage.? The metal crowd at Donnington, will NOT accept such cheese.? Guns N' Roses or not.? They'll expect the raw, hard rock band.? If they don't get that (and don't tell me GnR is a raw hard rock band now ... they aren't)... they will throw piss and insults at Axl.

Did you actually go to Lisbon to see GN'R live?

[GNRLived]

Doesn't he know that at school he'd have had his ass kicked for that? 
[. . .]
  The metal crowd at Donnington, will NOT accept such cheese.

 

I doubt that Axl spends a lot of time in the schoolyard these days. But what do I know?



And you're right, metal fans accept no cheese. Ever. They're reknowned for their refined tastes. For example:



 

HA HA Manowar cracks me up.
I dont slate VR. I bought the album. Thought it was below average. Went to see them live and thought they are average.

Anyway here's a few sentences so that this post does not get thrown in the DEAD HORSE section (coz I mentioned slash or criticised guns):
-- AXL Rocks. This is the best I have ever heard his voice.
-- Axls stage presence is out of this world.
-- The new tunes are amazing live.
-- Ron is an amazing song writer & finck is guns greatest ever asset.
-- The band have a clue what is going on with the album and have heard it in the last 2 years.
-- There was a time is better than estranged and chinese democracy is the new welcome to the jungle.

[Tomorrows]

I think your points are valid and come from a good place. But they are probably a little extreme IMO - GnR getting booed at Donnington? I dont think its likely.

[darkmonth]

The way they sounded and looked ... I think it IS likely ... but we'll see ... I'll be there, so I guess I will know if it happens!

As much as my negativity may come across... it's just because I care ...  I am excited about seeing Axl Rose.

[Tomorrows]

Well, I guess they may get booed if they (meaning Axl) make some inexcusable fuck up but we've got off to a mostly smooth start to the tour so far.

The show they are doing seems to satisfy a lot of people. (Ironically it seems the die hard GnR old or GnR new fans who want more)

[russtcb]

-- The vegas style to the show (that will not go down well in UK & Ireland). Anything cheap and Americanised can fuck back off across the sea. Introducing the band in the final part of the heaviest GNR tune (paradise city).

Listen... I hope to FUCK that Axl doesn't do this for Download.  He WILL get boo'd off stage.  The metal crowd at Donnington, will NOT accept such cheese.  Guns N' Roses or not.  They'll expect the raw, hard rock band.  If they don't get that (and don't tell me GnR is a raw hard rock band now ... they aren't)... they will throw piss and insults at Axl.

They're certainly not gonna change their whole set up for those two shows. And they're not going to get boo'ed off the stage.

[Mr.Bootlegs]

If there are any newgnr fans here that haven't seen any old bootlegs of this band particualrly 87-91, then please do so sometime. It WILL change our opinion on what is and isn't gnr. I suggest the following viewing:
Ritz 88
Philadelphia 88
Rock in Rio 91 (first night particularly)
Indiana 91
St. Louis 91

Then go back and watch Rock in rio 5 and tell me that 'band' is gnr and not Axl Rose and Friends.

[russtcb]

If there are any newgnr fans here that haven't seen any old bootlegs of this band particualrly 87-91, then please do so sometime. It WILL change our opinion on what is and isn't gnr. I suggest the following viewing:
Ritz 88
Philadelphia 88
Rock in Rio 91 (first night particularly)
Indiana 91
St. Louis 91

Then go back and watch Rock in rio 5 and tell me that 'band' is gnr and not Axl Rose and Friends.

Alot of us (myself included) saw all of things when they first happened. We've been watching our bootlegs of them for years as well. Alot of us still like and accept the newer members as Guns N' Roses.