Christian Groups Fume Over Christmas Horror Film

[Izzy]

Christian groups have slammed the remake of cult 1974 movie Black Christmas, because they find the horror movie "offensive." The Glen Morgan-directed film stars Oliver Hudson, Katie Cassidy, Lacey Chabert and Michelle Trachtenberg and centers on a group of US college students who battle a slasher over the Christmas holidays. The movie will be released on Christmas Day in US cinemas, much to the horror of Christian groups. Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, says, "To have a movie that emphasizes murder and mayhem at Christmas, a time of celebration and joy around the world seems to be ill founded." Jennifer Giroux, co-founder of Operation Just Say Merry Christmas, adds, "The use of religious music 'Silent Night' and the nativity set on the front porch in one scene are insensitive to Christians. It's not enough to ignore and omit Christmas, but now it has to be offended, insulted and desecrated. Our most sacred holiday, actually a holy day, is being assaulted."
http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2006-12-18/#3

I love stories like this,

Their objection is not that a film shows murder and mayhem - but when it opens and when it is set!

Surely a film about a murderer having a jolly ol'e time should be the real point to object about (desensitising the kids, pornograhy of violence, unscrupulous film execs), but no! It includes Christmas music damnit

The western world in general has a most bizarre stance on film violence, no matter how graphic it passes without much comment - but heaven help the film studio if there is a sex scene! Murder okay, sex bad

[mrlee]

i think its a bit of a voilent thing to release on christmas lol. But hey its just a film, you choose to go see it or not.

still this isnt as bad as shops no longer calling something a christmas sale cause muslims find it offensive 

[Izzy]

still this isnt as bad as shops no longer calling something a christmas sale cause muslims find it offensive?

buddy,

we've already established that ISNT the case

Just watch 10 seconds of adverts and see how many times u catch the word Christmas and how many times u catch 'all inclusive winter festival' mentioned

...and remember its white people with a problem with Christmas that result in these things being changed.

Direct your anger at them, not the poor bastard that just looks different

[25]

Maybe I'd have some sympathy for them if the killer in the movie was, you know, the baby jesus. But it isn't, it's just Generic Slasher Guy. I must have missed the part of the article where it says that god-loving christians are going to be kidnapped from church on opening day and forced to watch the film, I guess that would be a reason to get upset.

If they have a problem with christmas music being associated with murder and mayhem, they'll really shit a brick if they see Silent Night, Deadly Night parts I-III at Blockbuster. Though that one might be more offensive to Santa Himself.

Someone really ought to option my movie idea, in which a time-travelling Roman centurion turns up at Easter and lures middle-aged men out of their houses with chocolate eggs and bunnies before nailing them to crosses and poking them with sticks. It's the only holiday not yet used effectively in horror movies, and that's just discrimination. I have an alternate idea, "8: The Hannukah Immolations," but that's for another thread.

[25]

still this isnt as bad as shops no longer calling something a christmas sale cause muslims find it offensive 

Two groups of people who are least likely to protest against the right to celebrate religious festivals; Jews, Muslims.  Why? Because which religion is going to be first on the list to be discriminated against in the western hemisphere? Hint; Not Christianity.

[Danny Top Hat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGHanG5L8LI


 

[mrlee]

still this isnt as bad as shops no longer calling something a christmas sale cause muslims find it offensive 

buddy,

we've already established that ISNT the case

Just watch 10 seconds of adverts and see how many times u catch the word Christmas and how many times u catch 'all inclusive winter festival' mentioned

...and remember its white people with a problem with Christmas that result in these things being changed.

Direct your anger at them, not the poor bastard that just looks different

it hasnt been established.

If you noticed in the post i didnt say the shops were forced, i said the shops did it out of fear of being sued because of the muslim protests.

and remember its white people with a problem with Christmas that result in these things being changed.

Dont quite get that one.

[25]

If you noticed in the post i didnt say the shops were forced, i said the shops did it out of fear of being sued because of the muslim protests.

Or maybe the "Happy Holidays" phenomenon is about trying to be inclusive, and inviting people of all faiths to share in the celebration (and crazed gift shopping) associated with the time of year? No, it can't be that, because then the Christian groups would be really pretty fucking un-jesuslike  to whine and complain and protest and fight against the idea of all people coming together to share in what is supposed to be a celebration of life, new beginnings, etc.

[TAP]

still this isnt as bad as shops no longer calling something a christmas sale cause muslims find it offensive 

buddy,

we've already established that ISNT the case

Just watch 10 seconds of adverts and see how many times u catch the word Christmas and how many times u catch 'all inclusive winter festival' mentioned

...and remember its white people with a problem with Christmas that result in these things being changed.

Direct your anger at them, not the poor bastard that just looks different

it hasnt been established.

If you noticed in the post i didnt say the shops were forced, i said the shops did it out of fear of being sued because of the muslim protests.

and remember its white people with a problem with Christmas that result in these things being changed.

Dont quite get that one.

Do you have any evidence that muslims will sue (and based on what grounds if it isn't illegal), or whether (as Izzy suggests) it is white people getting offended on behalf of people who aren't actually offended.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2649383

Nov 13, 2006 ? LONDON (Reuters) - Christian and Muslim Britons joined forces on Monday to tell city officials to stop taking the Christianity out of Christmas, warning them that this fueled right-wing extremism.

They attacked local authorities which used titles like "Winterval" for their Christmas celebrations and avoided using Christian symbols in case they offended minority groups, especially Muslims and Hindus.

 The question of how best to integrate Muslims into European society, which has Christian roots but is increasingly secular, has become a burning issue, with Britain playing its part in the debate after years of promoting multiculturalism.

The Christian Muslim Forum, set up by Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, the spiritual head of the Church of England, complained that taking the Christian message out of Christmas played into the hands of right-wing extremists who then accused Muslims of undermining Britain's Christian culture.

"The desire to secularize religious festivals is in itself offensive to both our communities," said Dr Ataullah Siddiqui, vice chairman of the forum.

Anglican Bishop of Bolton David Gillett said that when local authorities rename Christmas so as not to offend other religions, their stance "will tend to backfire badly on the Muslim community in particular."

"We are concerned that those approaches which are based on anti-religious philosophies or a fear of religion are causing alienation in a wide variety of communities and fanning the growth of extremism," said Gillett, the forum chairman.

"Sadly it is they (Muslims) who get the blame for something they are not saying. And after all, the Koran speaks with honor about Jesus and tells of his birth to Mary, a virgin," he added.

The threat of radical Islam, rammed home by last year's London bombings, has led Britain to rethink its traditionally tolerant attitude to ethnic minorities.

The government has launched a debate on whether the policy of not imposing a single British identity on immigrants, and instead promoting multiculturalism, has led to the segregation of minority communities.

[mrlee]

If you noticed in the post i didnt say the shops were forced, i said the shops did it out of fear of being sued because of the muslim protests.

Or maybe the "Happy Holidays" phenomenon is about trying to be inclusive, and inviting people of all faiths to share in the celebration (and crazed gift shopping) associated with the time of year? No, it can't be that, because then the Christian groups would be really pretty fucking un-jesuslike  to whine and complain and protest and fight against the idea of all people coming together to share in what is supposed to be a celebration of life, new beginnings, etc.

Its not that. Christmas, as im sure you know, is more of a tradition now than it is a religion celebraton for many.

In this country (england) you have all muslims coming in, fair enough. When they are taken in and given money if they are an immigrant, given places of worship. Just check out birmingham, theres more mosques than churches there i swear. anyway they are given all this, yet they dislike the fact we have christmas in OUR country. Yet they chose to come here, i just dont think they should have the right to complain about that. Tbh they are making a mistake in doing so because it adds more reason for the people of the country to dislike immigration and muslims living here, actually id say any race that comes here and moans at the ways of the english people.

I just think its damn unfair, if i went protesting "i dont want mosques built around here because i find it offensive" id be either.

jailed
labelled a racist
killed (by extremists, who btw can freely burn our flag in public)

[25]

In this country (england) you have all muslims coming in, fair enough. When they are taken in and given money if they are an immigrant, given places of worship. Just check out birmingham, theres more mosques than churches there i swear. anyway they are given all this, yet they dislike the fact we have christmas in OUR country. Yet they chose to come here, i just dont think they should have the right to complain about that. Tbh they are making a mistake in doing so because it adds more reason for the people of the country to dislike immigration and muslims living here, actually id say any race that comes here and moans at the ways of the english people.

I've been to Birmingham, but I didn't see a mosque or a church - I wasn't looking for them. And I'm sure you'd notice more churches if you were looking for a place to worship instead of a problem to complain about. It says a lot about the validity of your argument against other people complaining about religious freedom when you begin your argument with a complaint about muslims being allowed places of worship. And really, if you think that the Government is handing out millions of pounds for the building of mosques and not handing out money to christian groups, you're not giving it enough thought.

Being british and having lived in the uk for 21 years before moving to the states, I'm fully aware of the jingoistic, xenophobic attitudes so deeply ingrained in the culture, and disgusted by both the existance of it and the growing influence of it (for example, the despicable rise of the BNP and associated organizations). For a nation which once ruled one of the most culturally diverse and far-reaching empires in history, the brits sure are bizarrely terrified of "foreigners." Especially muslims, which is laughable when you consider that britain imported its muslim population itself, both physically and politically (through naturalization).

And really, who complains more about british customs and culture; immigrants or the british people? It's not even a contest, is it?

[mrlee]

In this country (england) you have all muslims coming in, fair enough. When they are taken in and given money if they are an immigrant, given places of worship. Just check out birmingham, theres more mosques than churches there i swear. anyway they are given all this, yet they dislike the fact we have christmas in OUR country. Yet they chose to come here, i just dont think they should have the right to complain about that. Tbh they are making a mistake in doing so because it adds more reason for the people of the country to dislike immigration and muslims living here, actually id say any race that comes here and moans at the ways of the english people.

I've been to Birmingham, but I didn't see a mosque or a church - I wasn't looking for them. And I'm sure you'd notice more churches if you were looking for a place to worship instead of a problem to complain about. It says a lot about the validity of your argument against other people complaining about religious freedom when you begin your argument with a complaint about muslims being allowed places of worship. And really, if you think that the Government is handing out millions of pounds for the building of mosques and not handing out money to christian groups, you're not giving it enough thought.

Being british and having lived in the uk for 21 years before moving to the states, I'm fully aware of the jingoistic, xenophobic attitudes so deeply ingrained in the culture, and disgusted by both the existance of it and the growing influence of it (for example, the despicable rise of the BNP and associated organizations). For a nation which once ruled one of the most culturally diverse and far-reaching empires in history, the brits sure are bizarrely terrified of "foreigners." Especially muslims, which is laughable when you consider that britain imported its muslim population itself, both physically and politically (through naturalization).

And really, who complains more about british customs and culture; immigrants or the british people? It's not even a contest, is it?

you must have read it wrong. i wasnt complaining about them having places of worship. I was saying they have all those, and the more of those than churches was to support my point that they get places of worship, yet they still complain about things.

[25]

i wasnt complaining about them having places of worship. I was saying they have all those, and the more of those than churches was to support my point that they get places of worship, yet they still complain about things.

Yeah, it's silly. Why do they get so wound up about discrimination when they have mosques to go cry in? Whining immigrants.

Just for the record, have you ever heard a muslim complaining about you being allowed to celebrate christmas? I mean, a muslim who isn't a crazy extremist? Southern-Baptist Muslims don't count.

[mrlee]

i wasnt complaining about them having places of worship. I was saying they have all those, and the more of those than churches was to support my point that they get places of worship, yet they still complain about things.

Yeah, it's silly. Why do they get so wound up about discrimination when they have mosques to go cry in? Whining immigrants.

Just for the record, have you ever heard a muslim complaining about you being allowed to celebrate christmas? I mean, a muslim who isn't a crazy extremist? Southern-Baptist Muslims don't count.

its not about the celebration of christmas. Its about certain things themed around christmas being stopped.

If you want another, more local to me story. It was either walsall or wlverhampton, muslims complained about various (and yearly) lights that were put up which are of a christmas theme, they were taken down because of it, however because of an outstanding, and i feel, a very just protest to the council doing that, the lights were put back up.

Now, im not saying that all muslims are like this, infact maybe many muslims joined in with christians in support of the lights being put back up (i dont know this however). But the fact that enough muslims did complain to get them taken down for a while sort of helps prove you wrong.

[TAP]

If you want another, more local to me story. It was either walsall or wlverhampton, muslims complained about various (and yearly) lights that were put up which are of a christmas theme, they were taken down because of it, however because of an outstanding, and i feel, a very just protest to the council doing that, the lights were put back up.

Do you have proof that this was because of muslims complaining? Every article I could find about it suggest that it was a decision made by a PC local council under no pressure at all from muslims

http://pcwatch.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_pcwatch_archive.html

For years, the city's Christmas lights have spelled out the decidedly unfestive message 'Welcome' (in several languages, of course). But this year is different in Wolverhampton - tradition has made a comeback and the decorations have been switched on to reveal the words 'Happy Christmas'. And the about-turn is all thanks to the efforts of one Asian councillor. Elias Mattu met council officers and argued for the true meaning of Christmas to be re-incorporated into the ?150,000 display.

The 46-year-old, who is a Punjabi Christian, said: "Some officials seemed to think that it might offend some minorities. "I pointed out that in India we have more than 500 religions. We have no problem getting on with minorities. "I don't know of a single minority in Britain who is offended by the mention of Christmas. Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus I've spoken to here all join in with it. It is patronising to suggest they're offended. "Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ and by removing the word Christmas from the the lights I think it erodes Christian values. "I believe it was easier for me, as an Asian, to argue this case. I believe in multiculturalism and think all faiths should be accepted equally -but not at the expense of Christianity."

[mrlee]

If you want another, more local to me story. It was either walsall or wlverhampton, muslims complained about various (and yearly) lights that were put up which are of a christmas theme, they were taken down because of it, however because of an outstanding, and i feel, a very just protest to the council doing that, the lights were put back up.

Do you have proof that this was because of muslims complaining? Every article I could find about it suggest that it was a decision made by a PC local council under no pressure at all from muslims

http://pcwatch.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_pcwatch_archive.html

For years, the city's Christmas lights have spelled out the decidedly unfestive message 'Welcome' (in several languages, of course). But this year is different in Wolverhampton - tradition has made a comeback and the decorations have been switched on to reveal the words 'Happy Christmas'. And the about-turn is all thanks to the efforts of one Asian councillor. Elias Mattu met council officers and argued for the true meaning of Christmas to be re-incorporated into the ?150,000 display.

The 46-year-old, who is a Punjabi Christian, said: "Some officials seemed to think that it might offend some minorities. "I pointed out that in India we have more than 500 religions. We have no problem getting on with minorities. "I don't know of a single minority in Britain who is offended by the mention of Christmas. Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus I've spoken to here all join in with it. It is patronising to suggest they're offended. "Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ and by removing the word Christmas from the the lights I think it erodes Christian values. "I believe it was easier for me, as an Asian, to argue this case. I believe in multiculturalism and think all faiths should be accepted equally -but not at the expense of Christianity."

I cannot make a reply until i know what a "punjabi christian" is, i searched wikipedia but nothing came up.
Anyone care to explain?

[TAP]

If you want another, more local to me story. It was either walsall or wlverhampton, muslims complained about various (and yearly) lights that were put up which are of a christmas theme, they were taken down because of it, however because of an outstanding, and i feel, a very just protest to the council doing that, the lights were put back up.

Do you have proof that this was because of muslims complaining? Every article I could find about it suggest that it was a decision made by a PC local council under no pressure at all from muslims

http://pcwatch.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_pcwatch_archive.html

For years, the city's Christmas lights have spelled out the decidedly unfestive message 'Welcome' (in several languages, of course). But this year is different in Wolverhampton - tradition has made a comeback and the decorations have been switched on to reveal the words 'Happy Christmas'. And the about-turn is all thanks to the efforts of one Asian councillor. Elias Mattu met council officers and argued for the true meaning of Christmas to be re-incorporated into the ?150,000 display.

The 46-year-old, who is a Punjabi Christian, said: "Some officials seemed to think that it might offend some minorities. "I pointed out that in India we have more than 500 religions. We have no problem getting on with minorities. "I don't know of a single minority in Britain who is offended by the mention of Christmas. Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus I've spoken to here all join in with it. It is patronising to suggest they're offended. "Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ and by removing the word Christmas from the the lights I think it erodes Christian values. "I believe it was easier for me, as an Asian, to argue this case. I believe in multiculturalism and think all faiths should be accepted equally -but not at the expense of Christianity."

I cannot make a reply until i know what a "punjabi christian" is, i searched wikipedia but nothing came up.
Anyone care to explain?

A stab in the dark......a Christian from Punjab?

[mrlee]

so hes a convert?

[Axl4Prez2004]

I'm only against this movie because it probably sucks.   

Jesus christ!  People need to develop better senses of humor.  It's a fucking movie.  The Exorcist has a teen-age chick fucking herself with a crucifix.  It's a movie, just a movie.

Loud-mouth morons have nothing better to do than this shit.  They'll never stop with this crap.  They'll bitch about this until the next titty comes poppin out at the Super Bowl, then it'll be on to that!   

[TAP]

so hes a convert?

India has a Christian community....so no.