March 12th, West Hollywood, CA @ House Of Blues (UpDates).

[Ali]

You two are right on the money, I'm making assumptions based on my emotions towards Robin. And how have I developed my emotions?, by observing Robin for all the years I have followed Guns, and made a conclusion based on my opinions.......not rocket science is it?.

Again there is no conspiracy, I prefer how Robin shows his emotions and I prefer his playing style, and his overall attitude to life. I'm not saying DJ's feelings are not genuine, but aren't I allowed to have an opinion about who's approach to GN'R I prefer?........come on seriously.  

About Robins commitment to GN'R, overall he was with the band for for 11 years. And granted he went back to NIN, in 1999 but let's face it GN'R was not active at that time and he had written loads of material for Guns at that point which was waiting to get completed.....he must have expected alot more from his 2 years with GN'R when he joined, at least in terms of live duties alone...... the guy needed to make a living.  

And when Robin was with GN'R, his priority was in fact Guns N' Roses. DJ has alot of side projects as well as alot of members of GN'R currently, but Robin always made sure he was FULLY into giving his all to GN'R, and I think this should be commended.

I prefer Robin over DJ, FULL STOP......not hating on DJ, and I'm not doubting his respect and loyalty to Guns. But I just prefer Robin, as a guitarist myself.....I prefer him.

And I will end this with this short phrase from Brain.

?Brain would like to thank: Christ, Viagra, and the Right To Choose.? 

You're making a horrendous straw man argument here.  No one's saying you can't prefer one to the other. 

What's absurd is your statements about what Robin "feels" vs. what DJ does.  You have no clue, none of us do.  We're not mind readers.  It's one thing to say you prefer one person's stage presence to another, but talking about what they feel as if you have some clue, is absurd.

And your arguments about loyalty and priorities are weak.  Robin quit TWICE on GN'R.  You can make up an excuse that you find justifiable if you want for the first time he left, but the 2nd time was a mere months before the album was finally released.

You can't ever call someone who quit not once, but TWICE, for another project someone who is loyal to GN'R and has them as his top priority.  Those actions completely and utterly contradict your arguments about loyalty and priority.

Ali

[jarmo]

You can prefer one to another. Not a problem.


But when you start thinking like you know how somebody feels and so on just "by observing", or in your case, admiring somebody, it gets a bit....  Weird?



If you label how Robin was in GN'R as loyalty, how would you describe Dizzy?




/jarmo

[One.In.A.Million]

You can prefer one to another. Not a problem.


But when you start thinking like you know how somebody feels and so on just "by observing", or in your case, admiring somebody, it gets a bit....  Weird?



If you label how Robin was in GN'R as loyalty, how would you describe Dizzy?




/jarmo

I did actually clarify in my last comment that I'm not trying to discuss DJ's true feelings, and if they are genuine or not. I was talking about how they both display that onstage, and I and many other people love how Robin smiles and pulls funny faces onstage, and get's right into the music........even Richard has been seen on many accasions laughing at Robin for this. 

Again, I'm not claiming I "know how DJ feels". But I as a fan have the right to choose who I prefer based on my feelings, and my observations on both players......I just prefer Robin, no big deal.

And yes, of course Dizzy has been exceptional in his dedication to GN'R. But Robin, doesn't come from the same scene that Dizzy did with the band. He came in as an outsider, who was required to replace an icon and take all the flack because of it. He was also heavily involved in Chinese Democracy, which was a very lengthy process to say the least..... doesn't make him a bad person. He made some decisions that was his choice, I'm not going to think behind his reasons, he can do what he wants.

When he has been away from GN'R, he has not once used his involvment with GN'R to benefit himself in anyway whatsoever.....unlike other former members.

This isn't a contest, I have no problem with DJ. But I'm not going to lie and keep my lips sealed about my love for Robin, in a thread in which he made a special appearence with GN'R, and played for the first time since 2007...

I'm sure we will all go back to supporting the current band, out on the road this year and I can't wait.... 

I like Robin......you might have known this by my avatar, and my picture of when I met Duff with me wearing my Robin Finck t shirt.....

Again, it's not rocket science.....just my opinion guys. 

[richwoman]

It would be nice to look at this topic and read a few reviews and see some video`s and pics rather than who`s better than who, for a show that looked like alot of fun this topics turned into something very boring!

[DnR]

It  was just a nice little appearance by a guy who helped make CD,  now can we just  leave it at that, Look forward to a european tour, and stop bickering like school children, it should be about  the music! thankyou. 

[Montrealrocks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQPOyomlf78

[estebanf]

Robin feels the notes, and plays as if he is IN the song at that exact time, feeling all of the emotions that go along with it......where as DJ, makes sure he has a cigarette in his mouth and his tophat on.  

Agreed 100%

The key here is genuineness: Robin is a unique musician, he's genuine. You may like his style or not, but its HIS style. That is something you dont find too often, and I guess that's one of the main reasons why two masterminds and fabulous performers like Axl and Reznor chose him as lead guitarist.

DJ looks like he has a plan to follow, like he has an acting to do every show, something like a choreography: he *needs* to put off his cigarrettes in one specific guitar, he *needs* to cheer people up before playing his solo, he *needs* to use a drumstick in his guitar in Madagascar. Robin was genuine: he does what his hearts tell him at the moment. He plays with his heart, and that's why all his solos are different, even the AFD ones (lots of people hated him for ''ruining'' them, couldn't disagree more: I dont want a cover band, anyone can copy slash. Hello DJ! You're note here to copy anyone! Slash is gone, now YOU are Guns for god's sake! I say this because DJ has expressed several times he's proud of cloning Slash parts...)

Robin is the only musician ever in Guns that was capable of overshadowing Axl onstage, even though he never had no plans or ''tricks'' or choreographies to execute onstage. He's not desperate for attention, but he conquers it just for being him, not acting. I think DJ seeks for attention all the time.

And last, but not least, there is no doubt Robin was THE guitarist in 2001/2007. If there was one of the three impossible to replace, it was him. He was the true lead guitarist, and Ron and Richard were absolutely overshadowed. Now with DJ in the lineup the figures of Ron and Richard have grown a lot IMO. Now its not possible to say who's the lead guitarist regarding stage presence, personality, etc, and even some of Robin's solos are now played by Ron and NOT DJ... and to my eyes, now the most ''replaceable'' guitarist in this lineup is... DJ. When Robin left the band, we all agree it was catastrophic. Now, I dont even think DJ is necessary at all

[CIAT]

Robin feels the notes, and plays as if he is IN the song at that exact time, feeling all of the emotions that go along with it......where as DJ, makes sure he has a cigarette in his mouth and his tophat on.  

Agreed 100%

The key here is genuineness: Robin is a unique musician, he's genuine. You may like his style or not, but its HIS style. That is something you dont find too often, and I guess that's one of the main reasons why two masterminds and fabulous performers like Axl and Reznor chose him as lead guitarist.

DJ looks like he has a plan to follow, like he has an acting to do every show, something like a choreography: he *needs* to put off his cigarrettes in one specific guitar, he *needs* to cheer people up before playing his solo, he *needs* to use a drumstick in his guitar in Madagascar. Robin was genuine: he does what his hearts tell him at the moment. He plays with his heart, and that's why all his solos are different, even the AFD ones (lots of people hated him for ''ruining'' them, couldn't disagree more: I dont want a cover band, anyone can copy slash. Hello DJ! You're note here to copy anyone! Slash is gone, now YOU are Guns for god's sake! I say this because DJ has expressed several times he's proud of cloning Slash parts...)

Robin is the only musician ever in Guns that was capable of overshadowing Axl onstage, even though he never had no plans or ''tricks'' or choreographies to execute onstage. He's not desperate for attention, but he conquers it just for being him, not acting. I think DJ seeks for attention all the time.

And last, but not least, there is no doubt Robin was THE guitarist in 2001/2007. If there was one of the three impossible to replace, it was him. He was the true lead guitarist, and Ron and Richard were absolutely overshadowed. Now with DJ in the lineup the figures of Ron and Richard have grown a lot IMO. Now its not possible to say who's the lead guitarist regarding stage presence, personality, etc, and even some of Robin's solos are now played by Ron and NOT DJ... and to my eyes, now the most ''replaceable'' guitarist in this lineup is... DJ. When Robin left the band, we all agree it was catastrophic. Now, I dont even think DJ is necessary at all

Agreed with this pretty much 100%.

[SirTed]

Robin feels the notes, and plays as if he is IN the song at that exact time, feeling all of the emotions that go along with it......where as DJ, makes sure he has a cigarette in his mouth and his tophat on.  

Agreed 100%

The key here is genuineness: Robin is a unique musician, he's genuine. You may like his style or not, but its HIS style. That is something you dont find too often, and I guess that's one of the main reasons why two masterminds and fabulous performers like Axl and Reznor chose him as lead guitarist.

DJ looks like he has a plan to follow, like he has an acting to do every show, something like a choreography: he *needs* to put off his cigarrettes in one specific guitar, he *needs* to cheer people up before playing his solo, he *needs* to use a drumstick in his guitar in Madagascar. Robin was genuine: he does what his hearts tell him at the moment. He plays with his heart, and that's why all his solos are different, even the AFD ones (lots of people hated him for ''ruining'' them, couldn't disagree more: I dont want a cover band, anyone can copy slash. Hello DJ! You're note here to copy anyone! Slash is gone, now YOU are Guns for god's sake! I say this because DJ has expressed several times he's proud of cloning Slash parts...)

Robin is the only musician ever in Guns that was capable of overshadowing Axl onstage, even though he never had no plans or ''tricks'' or choreographies to execute onstage. He's not desperate for attention, but he conquers it just for being him, not acting. I think DJ seeks for attention all the time.

And last, but not least, there is no doubt Robin was THE guitarist in 2001/2007. If there was one of the three impossible to replace, it was him. He was the true lead guitarist, and Ron and Richard were absolutely overshadowed. Now with DJ in the lineup the figures of Ron and Richard have grown a lot IMO. Now its not possible to say who's the lead guitarist regarding stage presence, personality, etc, and even some of Robin's solos are now played by Ron and NOT DJ... and to my eyes, now the most ''replaceable'' guitarist in this lineup is... DJ. When Robin left the band, we all agree it was catastrophic. Now, I dont even think DJ is necessary at all

I hate jumping in - in the middle of an argument like this but I can't resist.

You really feel like DJ isn't necessary? I'm very surprised by this.

Believe me, I'll be the first to admit that when the news broke that DJ Ashba was joining Gn'R I was one of the folks who questioned his fit, (in all honesty, having never heard a lick of his music). But I didn't like his "modern rock look" - those are my words.

I was wrong. Waaaaay wrong. Turns out Axl knows more about what's good for his band than I do, who could have guessed.
Anyway - I agree that DJ appears to be playing a role of sorts - - on stage. His job (IMO) is to play the Slash parts in all the classic tunes. Sure, the other fellas play some solos too, but neither Richard or Bumble have that classic les paul sound. DJ does, and I think when it comes to those tunes he INTENTIONALLY does it this way - to please me (the fan). He's said as much in interviews. I respect him for it. He knows that a lot of fans - probably the majority of the fans at a given show want to hear the older tunes that they grew up on, and they want to hear them like they remember them. I think it takes a big set of balls and a certain humility to cater to that when you're a perfectly credible musician in your own right, like DJ is.

All of that said - I think that DJ's greatest contribution is yet to come. I think he's going to be the greatest asset in the studio.

For whatever reason (just my opinion) I think Axl can see the type of music that DJ is going to bring to Gn'R or the influence he's going to bring to the group collectively. I am really looking forward to this.

By no means is this meant to put Robin down at all. I miss him dearly and I even agree that during his tenure he definitely seemed like "the guitarist" but I think that has less to do with him and more to do with Ron and Richard. I think they're comfortable now, and with that comes a certain confidence that perhaps wasn't there before. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that's my take anyway.

[Ali]

Robin feels the notes, and plays as if he is IN the song at that exact time, feeling all of the emotions that go along with it......where as DJ, makes sure he has a cigarette in his mouth and his tophat on.  

Agreed 100%

The key here is genuineness: Robin is a unique musician, he's genuine. You may like his style or not, but its HIS style. That is something you dont find too often, and I guess that's one of the main reasons why two masterminds and fabulous performers like Axl and Reznor chose him as lead guitarist.

DJ looks like he has a plan to follow, like he has an acting to do every show, something like a choreography: he *needs* to put off his cigarrettes in one specific guitar, he *needs* to cheer people up before playing his solo, he *needs* to use a drumstick in his guitar in Madagascar. Robin was genuine: he does what his hearts tell him at the moment. He plays with his heart, and that's why all his solos are different, even the AFD ones (lots of people hated him for ''ruining'' them, couldn't disagree more: I dont want a cover band, anyone can copy slash. Hello DJ! You're note here to copy anyone! Slash is gone, now YOU are Guns for god's sake! I say this because DJ has expressed several times he's proud of cloning Slash parts...)

Robin is the only musician ever in Guns that was capable of overshadowing Axl onstage, even though he never had no plans or ''tricks'' or choreographies to execute onstage. He's not desperate for attention, but he conquers it just for being him, not acting. I think DJ seeks for attention all the time.

And last, but not least, there is no doubt Robin was THE guitarist in 2001/2007. If there was one of the three impossible to replace, it was him. He was the true lead guitarist, and Ron and Richard were absolutely overshadowed. Now with DJ in the lineup the figures of Ron and Richard have grown a lot IMO. Now its not possible to say who's the lead guitarist regarding stage presence, personality, etc, and even some of Robin's solos are now played by Ron and NOT DJ... and to my eyes, now the most ''replaceable'' guitarist in this lineup is... DJ. When Robin left the band, we all agree it was catastrophic. Now, I dont even think DJ is necessary at all

Disagree completely with virtually everything said here.  I don't recall DJ every saying he's proud of "cloning Slash's parts" so much as he is proud of doing them justice.  There is a BIG difference and your choice of words is poor and distorts the reality of the situation.  Your use of the word "genuine" is misleading as well.  Again, we have another example of someone who is reading into Robin's intent and assuming what he's feeling and seeing it in a positive light because he likes him while at the same time reading into DJ's actions and emotions as being disingenuous simply because of a preference to Robin.  What you consistently label as "need" may in fact be simply nothing more than a sincere "want", yet, again, because of a preference for Robin someone is seeing DJ as being disingenuous.  

As far as Robin being the only one able to overshadow Axl, uh, no. That's highly debatable.  I would add Buckethead and Ron because of their sheer talent.  And Robin was ONE of the lead guitarists.  He was never, ever THE lead guitarist.  Not with Buckethead and not with Ron.  I don't even agree that he ever overshadowed Richard.  Richard's a better player than him.  And, no, we don't all agree it was catastrophic when Robin left  

Ali

[colma]

Ironic....back in 2001/2002, everyone on this board was bitching and whining about "how dare this goth/industrial guitar player dare play GnR tunes".   

Robin is a great musician and talent and it was great to see him back on stage.  Personally, I still prefer Bucket over Ron and Robin over Dj.  (Hell, I'd love to have the RiR III band back together)  The guys that are there now and playing for the fans ARE IN THE BAND and the other guys left.  Get over it. 

[CIAT]

At the end of the day arguing over this is silly. Everyone has their own opinions of Robin and DJ and that's really all there is to it.

But I can't help but feel like people just say they like DJ because of the fact that he's in GNR and not really for any other reason. I mean, what is there to like really? He's a great showman but that's really it. On a stage with Fortus and Ron, his playing doesn't stand out at all...and he hasn't written anything yet for the band so I just don't get what he has going for him.

I don't like how he messes up solo's and in my opinon ruined a good portion of them. TIL is just terrible. Better doesn't feel right. He messes up SCOM, I'd say half the time. I know some would say Robin messed up solo's but, he didn't. He changed them intentionally and played what he felt. Robin's SCOM solo is better than the original as far as I'm concerned. I mean, sometimes it was hit and miss (November Rain is a good example), but atleast Robin took risks and went out there and did his thing...and it was always HIM. He made everything his own. And he was always spontaneous. Robin was the kind of guy that would jump in the crowd, not in a planned way or planned song like DJ. Robin was the guy who could come out onstage in an indian costume because he felt like it. He's just such a spontaneous artful person and that's why I love him.

I'm not saying DJ is a bad player. I think it's kind of like comparing apples to oranges because they are so different. Personally DJ just doesn't appeal to me.

[cyllan]

Robin feels the notes, and plays as if he is IN the song at that exact time, feeling all of the emotions that go along with it......where as DJ, makes sure he has a cigarette in his mouth and his tophat on.  

Come on now, no sour grapes just because DJ can multi-task. 

Robin is the only musician ever in Guns that was capable of overshadowing Axl onstage, even though he never had no plans or ''tricks'' or choreographies to execute onstage.

Ha ha, in your dreams...   

When Robin left the band, we all agree it was catastrophic. Now, I dont even think DJ is necessary at all

I don't know about catastrophic but Robin's timing and manner of departure certainly wasn't done with the best interests of GN'R at heart. Axl chose DJ to replace Robin and has stated that he'd been aware of him for quite a while. And, with all due respect, I think that Axl has a greater knowledge of DJ's ability and place within the band than you do.

[jarmo]

All these Robin fans are making all kinds of disrespectful comments about Dj and his "needs" to do this and that.

None of them accuse Robin of similar things. Based on what?

They know so much negative things about Dj based on watching him at shows and on Youtube, and know how amazing Robin is based on the same?

You know a person's personality based on that?

Robin had no need to be seen or noticed? What do you base that on?


The guy who left GN'R twice is a saint and Dj, who's in the band, isn't because he likes to express himself certain ways during specific moments in the show?


Silly.....

It's ok to have a man crush on a guitar player. Don't worry.



/jarmo

[GnR-NOW]

Ironic....back in 2001/2002, everyone on this board was bitching and whining about "how dare this goth/industrial guitar player dare play GnR tunes".   

Robin is a great musician and talent and it was great to see him back on stage.  Personally, I still prefer Bucket over Ron and Robin over Dj.  (Hell, I'd love to have the RiR III band back together)  The guys that are there now and playing for the fans ARE IN THE BAND and the other guys left.  Get over it. 

Fortus is a must have in the band too !

I love Fincks playing in GNR, he had a very distinct sound and major stage presence. However he chose to leave the band unfortunaly.

Fortunately we have someone like DJ playing his ass off, interacting with the fans and helping give GNR and the current band more positive mainstream media attention.

[CIAT]

All these Robin fans are making all kinds of disrespectful comments about Dj and his "needs" to do this and that.

None of them accuse Robin of similar things. Based on what?

They know so much negative things about Dj based on watching him at shows and on Youtube, and know how amazing Robin is based on the same?

You know a person's personality based on that?

Robin had no need to be seen or noticed? What do you base that on?



Silly.....

It's ok to have a man crush on a guitar player. Don't worry.



/jarmo

I'm not sure what you're talking about but since you say "all these Robin fans" I suppose that includes me. I have not attacked DJ or said anything about his personality.

Since when is saying that DJ has a routine on stage attacking him? He does. You of all people should know that. I saw DJ with GNR live 6 times. DJ does the same thing at every show. It's all choerographed to a tee.

I don't see why people need to get upset over anothers preference in musicians. It's all just opinion and the great thing is we don't all have to agree with each other. But, there's no need to try to tell someone they are wrong just because you don't agree with them.

Not sure why you need to be so condescending when talking about "Robin fans".

[Ali]

At the end of the day arguing over this is silly. Everyone has their own opinions of Robin and DJ and that's really all there is to it.

But I can't help but feel like people just say they like DJ because of the fact that he's in GNR and not really for any other reason. I mean, what is there to like really? He's a great showman but that's really it. On a stage with Fortus and Ron, his playing doesn't stand out at all...and he hasn't written anything yet for the band so I just don't get what he has going for him.

I don't like how he messes up solo's and in my opinon ruined a good portion of them. TIL is just terrible. Better doesn't feel right. He messes up SCOM, I'd say half the time. I know some would say Robin messed up solo's but, he didn't. He changed them intentionally and played what he felt. Robin's SCOM solo is better than the original as far as I'm concerned. I mean, sometimes it was hit and miss (November Rain is a good example), but atleast Robin took risks and went out there and did his thing...and it was always HIM. He made everything his own. And he was always spontaneous. Robin was the kind of guy that would jump in the crowd, not in a planned way or planned song like DJ. Robin was the guy who could come out onstage in an indian costume because he felt like it. He's just such a spontaneous artful person and that's why I love him.

I'm not saying DJ is a bad player. I think it's kind of like comparing apples to oranges because they are so different. Personally DJ just doesn't appeal to me.

Robin did not just change the solos intentionally, he made mistakes, too.  To say otherwise is a distortion.  He's a human being after all.  As far as what DJ has going for him, he has a history as a songwriter and producer.  So, he's very much not just a showman.

Ali

[CIAT]

At the end of the day arguing over this is silly. Everyone has their own opinions of Robin and DJ and that's really all there is to it.

But I can't help but feel like people just say they like DJ because of the fact that he's in GNR and not really for any other reason. I mean, what is there to like really? He's a great showman but that's really it. On a stage with Fortus and Ron, his playing doesn't stand out at all...and he hasn't written anything yet for the band so I just don't get what he has going for him.

I don't like how he messes up solo's and in my opinon ruined a good portion of them. TIL is just terrible. Better doesn't feel right. He messes up SCOM, I'd say half the time. I know some would say Robin messed up solo's but, he didn't. He changed them intentionally and played what he felt. Robin's SCOM solo is better than the original as far as I'm concerned. I mean, sometimes it was hit and miss (November Rain is a good example), but atleast Robin took risks and went out there and did his thing...and it was always HIM. He made everything his own. And he was always spontaneous. Robin was the kind of guy that would jump in the crowd, not in a planned way or planned song like DJ. Robin was the guy who could come out onstage in an indian costume because he felt like it. He's just such a spontaneous artful person and that's why I love him.

I'm not saying DJ is a bad player. I think it's kind of like comparing apples to oranges because they are so different. Personally DJ just doesn't appeal to me.

Robin did not just change the solos intentionally, he made mistakes, too.  To say otherwise is a distortion.  He's a human being after all.  As far as what DJ has going for him, he has a history as a songwriter and producer.  So, he's very much not just a showman.

Ali

Of course he made mistakes. I'm not saying he is perfect. I even said his November Rain solo was less than steller.

What I meant is that, Robin changed the solo's intentionally and made them his own. Thus, changing the solo's wasn't a mistake but his interpretation of the solo in his own way.

As for DJ, I was reffering to his position in GNR. Meaning in GNR, for the moment being a showman is the main thing he has going for him since he hasn't yet written anything with the band or played on any original songs, and his guitar playing live is nothing special.

[estebanf]

At the end of the day arguing over this is silly. Everyone has their own opinions of Robin and DJ and that's really all there is to it.

But I can't help but feel like people just say they like DJ because of the fact that he's in GNR and not really for any other reason. I mean, what is there to like really? He's a great showman but that's really it. On a stage with Fortus and Ron, his playing doesn't stand out at all...and he hasn't written anything yet for the band so I just don't get what he has going for him.

I don't like how he messes up solo's and in my opinon ruined a good portion of them. TIL is just terrible. Better doesn't feel right. He messes up SCOM, I'd say half the time. I know some would say Robin messed up solo's but, he didn't. He changed them intentionally and played what he felt. Robin's SCOM solo is better than the original as far as I'm concerned. I mean, sometimes it was hit and miss (November Rain is a good example), but atleast Robin took risks and went out there and did his thing...and it was always HIM. He made everything his own. And he was always spontaneous. Robin was the kind of guy that would jump in the crowd, not in a planned way or planned song like DJ. Robin was the guy who could come out onstage in an indian costume because he felt like it. He's just such a spontaneous artful person and that's why I love him.

I'm not saying DJ is a bad player. I think it's kind of like comparing apples to oranges because they are so different. Personally DJ just doesn't appeal to me.

Word by word, 100% agreed.

All these Robin fans are making all kinds of disrespectful comments about Dj and his "needs" to do this and that.

I honestly cant see where are the disrespectful comments.

They know so much negative things about Dj based on watching him at shows and on Youtube, and know how amazing Robin is based on the same?

I think we, the pejoratively called ''these robin fans'', have seen the band live several times. That's all we can do: attending the shows when they occur near us. We dont tour with the band, and we are not supposed to interact with the band members because we are FANS, not staff. Yours is a one in a million case, and its not the first time you accuse other fans of ''youtubers''... what's wrong with that? I dont want Robin or DJ to be my friends, I want music, not friendship. I dont need to know how good DJ treats his mascots to prefer Robin over him. I base my opinion in what I see in the shows and the feelings they provoke on me.

Yes: im a common, standard, and mortal fan. Never got a VIP pass (never asked for one either), never talked to Robin, and I dont know how good or bad DJ is as person and I dont really give a shit either. What do you expect from me/us?

And, with all due respect, I think that Axl has a greater knowledge of DJ's ability and place within the band than you do.

What a stupid argument... I'm asking myself if I should say something or not...

Axl wanted Robin in the first place, badly. DJ is in the band JUST BECAUSE Robin decided to leave.

Axl wants Robin, just like we ''these robin fans''. He (we) cant have him, the show must go on, a replacement is called. And I thank God (and Axl) for that.

Since when is saying that DJ has a routine on stage attacking him? He does. You of all people should know that. I saw DJ with GNR live 6 times. DJ does the same thing at every show. It's all choerographed to a tee.

I ask myself the same, and I've seen the band with him 9 times, noticing that exact routine show after show. Jarmo attended many more shows than you and me together, and it would be extremely hypocrite not to accept this. Is it a sin having a routine? No! Not at all! Angus Young has his own routine too! No one ''attacks'' or disrespect DJ for saying he's got a routine and that he's not as spontaneous as Robin!

[Ali]

At the end of the day arguing over this is silly. Everyone has their own opinions of Robin and DJ and that's really all there is to it.

But I can't help but feel like people just say they like DJ because of the fact that he's in GNR and not really for any other reason. I mean, what is there to like really? He's a great showman but that's really it. On a stage with Fortus and Ron, his playing doesn't stand out at all...and he hasn't written anything yet for the band so I just don't get what he has going for him.

I don't like how he messes up solo's and in my opinon ruined a good portion of them. TIL is just terrible. Better doesn't feel right. He messes up SCOM, I'd say half the time. I know some would say Robin messed up solo's but, he didn't. He changed them intentionally and played what he felt. Robin's SCOM solo is better than the original as far as I'm concerned. I mean, sometimes it was hit and miss (November Rain is a good example), but atleast Robin took risks and went out there and did his thing...and it was always HIM. He made everything his own. And he was always spontaneous. Robin was the kind of guy that would jump in the crowd, not in a planned way or planned song like DJ. Robin was the guy who could come out onstage in an indian costume because he felt like it. He's just such a spontaneous artful person and that's why I love him.

I'm not saying DJ is a bad player. I think it's kind of like comparing apples to oranges because they are so different. Personally DJ just doesn't appeal to me.

Word by word, 100% agreed.

All these Robin fans are making all kinds of disrespectful comments about Dj and his "needs" to do this and that.

I honestly cant see where are the disrespectful comments.

They know so much negative things about Dj based on watching him at shows and on Youtube, and know how amazing Robin is based on the same?

I think we, the pejoratively called ''these robin fans'', have seen the band live several times. That's all we can do: attending the shows when they occur near us. We dont tour with the band, and we are not supposed to interact with the band members because we are FANS, not staff. Yours is a one in a million case, and its not the first time you accuse other fans of ''youtubers''... what's wrong with that? I dont want Robin or DJ to be my friends, I want music, not friendship. I dont need to know how good DJ treats his mascots to prefer Robin over him. I base my opinion in what I see in the shows and the feelings they provoke on me.

Yes: im a common, standard, and mortal fan. Never got a VIP pass (never asked for one either), never talked to Robin, and I dont know how good or bad DJ is as person and I dont really give a shit either. What do you expect from me/us?

And, with all due respect, I think that Axl has a greater knowledge of DJ's ability and place within the band than you do.

What a stupid argument... I'm asking myself if I should say something or not...

Axl wanted Robin in the first place, badly. DJ is in the band JUST BECAUSE Robin decided to leave.

Axl wants Robin, just like we ''these robin fans''. He (we) cant have him, the show must go on, a replacement is called. And I thank God (and Axl) for that.

Since when is saying that DJ has a routine on stage attacking him? He does. You of all people should know that. I saw DJ with GNR live 6 times. DJ does the same thing at every show. It's all choerographed to a tee.

I ask myself the same, and I've seen the band with him 9 times, noticing that exact routine show after show. Jarmo attended many more shows than you and me together, and it would be extremely hypocrite not to accept this. Is it a sin having a routine? No! Not at all! Angus Young has his own routine too! No one ''attacks'' or disrespect DJ for saying he's got a routine and that he's not as spontaneous as Robin!

You're right, DJ is in the band because Robin left.  There is no reason to think that Axl didn't want DJ in the band badly as well.

And here's another fact to consider:  As much as DJ is in the band because Robin left, Robin was in the band because Slash left. 

It goes both ways.

Ali