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« Reply #380 on: September 08, 2016, 08:35:57 AM »

Definitely too short, 30 minutes per candidate isn't much time to cover a wide range of topics. Thought Matt Lauer did a decent job with what he had to work with, no softball questions. Hillary seemed aggravated and Trump light on specifics ( again).
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« Reply #381 on: September 08, 2016, 08:53:29 AM »

Definitely too short, 30 minutes per candidate isn't much time to cover a wide range of topics. Thought Matt Lauer did a decent job with what he had to work with, no softball questions. Hillary seemed aggravated and Trump light on specifics ( again).

I think she was aggrevated, given the forum, about the focus on the emails.  And she needs to get over it.  It's the burning question surrounding her candidacy.  If she could actually just sit down and do like a 1 hour "Ask me anything" on the topic, and not be vague and dodgy, and put it to bed, maybe she wouldn't get them anymore.  Until that happens (and we know it won't), she's going to have to deal with it and not look pissed off every time it comes up.  You can't force the constituency to move along just because you want them to.

And Trump was light on specifics, and contradictory in what he did say.  To me, it was a laughably bad. Both candidates, IMHO, whiffed last night..but I think Trump whiffed bigger.  He also really really really makes it look like he's going to get killed in the debates. Unless last night was rope a dope (and Hillary sure is a dope, so...)
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« Reply #382 on: September 09, 2016, 12:21:05 AM »

Seems there is a lot of backlash today against Matt Lauer for not calling Trump out on blatant lies about supporting the Iraq war. Which he clearly supported in an interview on Stern in 2002.
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« Reply #383 on: September 09, 2016, 06:49:54 AM »

Seems there is a lot of backlash today against Matt Lauer for not calling Trump out on blatant lies about supporting the Iraq war. Which he clearly supported in an interview on Stern in 2002.

He keeps pointing to an Esquire article in 2004 (long after the war had started, and turned unpopular).

In fact, ESQUIRE updated the article in question to point out that he was misrepresenting what he was saying, and when, because he is so blatantly lying, and Esquire feels like they are being misused, from an editorial perspective.

So, now when he cites the article...anyone who goes to seek it out will basically find the publication calling him a liar.
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« Reply #384 on: September 09, 2016, 09:07:45 AM »

Lauer could have and should have pressed Trump on the Iraq war answer he gave.

You know darn well this will come up in the 1st debate.
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« Reply #385 on: September 09, 2016, 05:09:58 PM »

We're looking like a 3rd world country when we cant get to the bottom of potential corruption in government due to the government...

Justice Dept. Granted Immunity to Specialist Who Deleted Hillary Clinton?s Emails

By ADAM GOLDMAN and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT SEPT. 8, 2016


WASHINGTON ? A computer specialist who deleted Hillary Clinton?s emails despite orders from Congress to preserve them was given immunity by the Justice Department during its investigation into her personal email account, according to a law enforcement official and others briefed on the investigation.

Republicans have called for the department to investigate the deletions, but the immunity deal with the specialist, Paul Combetta, makes it unlikely that the request will go far.Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah, the top Republican on the House oversight committee, asked the Justice Department on Tuesday to investigate whether Mrs. Clinton, her lawyers or the specialist obstructed justice when the emails were deleted in March 2015.

Mr. Combetta is one of at least two people who were given immunity by the Justice Department as part of the investigation. The other was Bryan Pagliano, a former campaign staff member for Mrs. Clinton?s 2008 presidential campaign, who was granted immunity in exchange for answering questions about how he set up a server in Mrs. Clinton?s home in Chappaqua, N.Y., around the time she became secretary of state in 2009.

The F.B.I. described the deletions by Mr. Combetta in a summary of its investigation into Mrs. Clinton?s account that was released last Friday. The documents blacked out the specialist?s name, but the law enforcement official and others familiar with the case identified the employee as Mr. Combetta. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified discussing matters that were supposed to remain confidential.

Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton?s presidential campaign, said that the deletions by the specialist, who worked for a Colorado company called Platte River Networks, had already been ?thoroughly examined by the F.B.I. prior to its decision to close out this case.?

?As the F.B.I.?s report notes,? Mr. Fallon said, ?neither Hillary Clinton nor her attorneys had knowledge of the Platte River Network employee?s actions. It appears he acted on his own and against guidance given by both Clinton?s and Platte River?s attorneys to retain all data in compliance with a congressional preservation request.?

A lawyer for Mr. Combetta and a spokesman for the Justice Department declined to comment.

In July, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, announced that the bureau would not recommend that Mrs. Clinton and her aides be charged with a crime for their handling of classified information on the account.

Five days later, Mr. Chaffetz ? who has led the charge in raising questions about the F.B.I.?s decision ? asked prosecutors to investigate whether Mrs. Clinton had lied to Congress about her email account in testimony in October before the special committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya. That request has been met with silence from the Justice Department.

The House oversight committee has asked officials from Platte River Networks, Mr. Combetta and others to appear at a hearing before his committee on Tuesday about how the email account was set up and how the messages were deleted.

According to the F.B.I. documents, Mr. Combetta told the bureau in February that he did not recall deleting the emails. But in May, he told a different story.

In the days after Mrs. Clinton?s staffers called Platte River Networks in March 2015, Mr. Combetta said realized that he had not followed a December 2014 order from Mrs. Clinton?s lawyers to have the emails deleted. Mr. Combetta then used a program called BleachBit to delete the messages, the bureau said.

In Mr. Combetta?s first interview with the F.B.I. in February, he said he did not recall seeing the preservation order from the Benghazi committee, which Mrs. Clinton?s lawyer, Cheryl D. Mills, had sent to Platte River. But in his May interview, he said that at the time he made the deletions ?he was aware of the existence of the preservation request and the fact that it meant he should not disturb Clinton?s email data? on the Platte River server.

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« Reply #386 on: September 09, 2016, 05:34:20 PM »

Lauer could have and should have pressed Trump on the Iraq war answer he gave.

You know darn well this will come up in the 1st debate.

In Lauer's defense, Chuck Todd said something to the effect that Trump spouts off so many lies so quickly, it's almost impossible stop and call him on anything.   hihi
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« Reply #387 on: September 10, 2016, 12:55:35 AM »

Lauer could have and should have pressed Trump on the Iraq war answer he gave.

You know darn well this will come up in the 1st debate.

In Lauer's defense, Chuck Todd said something to the effect that Trump spouts off so many lies so quickly, it's almost impossible stop and call him on anything.   hihi
Well that's certainly true.
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« Reply #388 on: September 10, 2016, 02:29:26 PM »

I think Hillary just figured out a way to change the subject from her emails.  Remember Romney's 47% comment back in 2012?


Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is standing by politically incendiary comments she made Friday night grouping half of Donald Trump's supporters into "the basket of deplorables," people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html
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« Reply #389 on: September 10, 2016, 03:23:22 PM »

I think Hillary just figured out a way to change the subject from her emails.  Remember Romney's 47% comment back in 2012?


Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is standing by politically incendiary comments she made Friday night grouping half of Donald Trump's supporters into "the basket of deplorables," people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html

Go to a Trump rally and let us know if she's not spot on.
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« Reply #390 on: September 11, 2016, 09:28:07 AM »

I think Hillary just figured out a way to change the subject from her emails.  Remember Romney's 47% comment back in 2012?


Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is standing by politically incendiary comments she made Friday night grouping half of Donald Trump's supporters into "the basket of deplorables," people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html

Go to a Trump rally and let us know if she's not spot on.

 
I wont do any rallies for any candidate because they're just a bullshit pep rally.

It is safe to say that some of Trump's supporters are  racist, sexist, homophobic and/or xenophobic. But to say half of them are is totally stereotyping and it is not a good idea to villify a candidates supporters especially when you're trying to win some of them over.
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« Reply #391 on: September 11, 2016, 10:29:46 AM »

I think Hillary just figured out a way to change the subject from her emails.  Remember Romney's 47% comment back in 2012?


Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is standing by politically incendiary comments she made Friday night grouping half of Donald Trump's supporters into "the basket of deplorables," people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html

Go to a Trump rally and let us know if she's not spot on.

 
I wont do any rallies for any candidate because they're just a bullshit pep rally.

It is safe to say that some of Trump's supporters are  racist, sexist, homophobic and/or xenophobic. But to say half of them are is totally stereotyping and it is not a good idea to villify a candidates supporters especially when you're trying to win some of them over.
Lets be realistic, no Trump supporter was going to vote for Hillary anyway. Johnson maybe, but not Hillary and certainly not Stein.
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« Reply #392 on: September 11, 2016, 05:09:06 PM »

How do you become overheated in 77 degrees?   

Hillary Clinton Leaves 9/11 Memorial Early After Feeling 'Overheated'


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-falls-ill-9-11-memorial-n-y-n646376
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« Reply #393 on: September 12, 2016, 07:13:23 AM »

How do you become overheated in 77 degrees?   

Hillary Clinton Leaves 9/11 Memorial Early After Feeling 'Overheated'


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-falls-ill-9-11-memorial-n-y-n646376

You have walking pneumonia?

Which, honestly...is not a big deal.  It will be made one, I'm sure.  But I work in healthcare. It's not. So many people get it with a normal cold or virus, and it goes undiagnosed, and clears up on it's own.  Most times it's just treated with a normal course of antibiotics.

Trump and his "basket of deplorables" (I'm sorry, I couldn't resist) will go hard that it points toward her health, etc.  Bullshit.  Lady has an upper respiratory virus...doesn't seem any worse than anyone else gets...and she didn't shut down and take care of herself during a presidential campaign.  Would you expect her to?
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« Reply #394 on: September 12, 2016, 07:20:19 AM »

I think Hillary just figured out a way to change the subject from her emails.  Remember Romney's 47% comment back in 2012?


Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is standing by politically incendiary comments she made Friday night grouping half of Donald Trump's supporters into "the basket of deplorables," people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html

She also led with "I'm grossly generalizing", but it was a Trumpian turn of phrase.  Though, to her credit, a day later she apologized for it.

That being said: In the past, Polls (right or wrong) have shown the majority of Trumps supporters are birthers who believe Obama is a Muslim.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-supporters-think-obama-is-a-muslim-born-in-another-country.html

Now, that was a year ago, in primary time and we've moved to the general election phase.  I doubt they're still accurate (if they ever were), but....you know...while her turn of phrase was unfortunate (and will detract from the overall point), and her % are way off, the overall point isn't bad. Had she said something more like "a quarter" or "a bunch" (and stayed away from "deplorables")...she's not wrong.

There is a sizeable chunk of Trump supporters...and IMHO THEY are amongst the most...excited?....to vote for him...who meet the qualifications that she laid out after the "deplorables" label.  And that COULD have been turned into a valid campaign platform point. NOW, she's gotta stay away from it like its Bill's dick.
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« Reply #395 on: September 12, 2016, 08:06:38 AM »

How do you become overheated in 77 degrees?   

Hillary Clinton Leaves 9/11 Memorial Early After Feeling 'Overheated'


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-falls-ill-9-11-memorial-n-y-n646376

You have walking pneumonia?

Which, honestly...is not a big deal.  It will be made one, I'm sure.  But I work in healthcare. It's not. So many people get it with a normal cold or virus, and it goes undiagnosed, and clears up on it's own.  Most times it's just treated with a normal course of antibiotics.

Trump and his "basket of deplorables" (I'm sorry, I couldn't resist) will go hard that it points toward her health, etc.  Bullshit.  Lady has an upper respiratory virus...doesn't seem any worse than anyone else gets...and she didn't shut down and take care of herself during a presidential campaign.  Would you expect her to?

So it is now racist to question her health? C'mon !

I would think that an upper respiratory virus wouldn't make someone buckle at the knees and make them feel faint. . I also an curious if it is pneumonia, why did they allow her to come in close contact with that many people yesterday? And that photo-op with the young girl in front of Chelsea's apartment a few hours later looked so staged to me. She said she feels fine and it was a beautiful day in NY. Yet shes taking 2 days off.

Isn't pneumonia contagious? And they went from overheating to pneumonia, which is interesting.   Ive heard it looks like Parkinsons, but who knows?  Just doesnt make sense to me I dont know the answers to this so Im asking....Can't help but be cynical about the official explanation since Hillary doesn't exactly level with the public on very much. 

Somehow, even after all she has been through, she hasn't figured out yet that trying to cover up something makes it worse. Think shes going to need to release some medical records to tamp this down. Her health issues cant be dismissed as easily now.

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« Reply #396 on: September 12, 2016, 08:49:09 AM »

I think Hillary just figured out a way to change the subject from her emails.  Remember Romney's 47% comment back in 2012?


Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is standing by politically incendiary comments she made Friday night grouping half of Donald Trump's supporters into "the basket of deplorables," people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html

She also led with "I'm grossly generalizing", but it was a Trumpian turn of phrase.  Though, to her credit, a day later she apologized for it.

That being said: In the past, Polls (right or wrong) have shown the majority of Trumps supporters are birthers who believe Obama is a Muslim.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-supporters-think-obama-is-a-muslim-born-in-another-country.html

Now, that was a year ago, in primary time and we've moved to the general election phase.  I doubt they're still accurate (if they ever were), but....you know...while her turn of phrase was unfortunate (and will detract from the overall point), and her % are way off, the overall point isn't bad. Had she said something more like "a quarter" or "a bunch" (and stayed away from "deplorables")...she's not wrong.

There is a sizeable chunk of Trump supporters...and IMHO THEY are amongst the most...excited?....to vote for him...who meet the qualifications that she laid out after the "deplorables" label.  And that COULD have been turned into a valid campaign platform point. NOW, she's gotta stay away from it like its Bill's dick.

Only a moron believes Obama is a Muslim. We all know what church he attended in Chicago, that was pretty well covered leading up to the 2008 election and the birther controversy was debunked long ago. .

Maybe it is just me, but the Trump supporters I've met did not fit this mold.

The Bill's dick comment had me almost on the floor laughing, good one.  ok
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« Reply #397 on: September 12, 2016, 08:55:56 AM »

And this is coming from NBC, not Fox News. Shes got some 'splainin' to do.   


Hillary Clinton's Health Scare: 9 Unanswered Questions


by Alex Seitz-Wald, Monica Alba, Andrea Mitchell, Kristen Welker and Kasie Hunt

 As Hillary Clinton's health moves from the fringes to the center of the 2016 presidential campaign, there's a lot we still don't know about her scare this weekend.

Here's what we do know: Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday. During a Sept. 11 memorial event on Sunday at Ground Zero, she was unsteady and clearly needed help getting into a van after becoming "overheated and dehydrated." And Clinton canceled a planned to trip to California for Monday while she rests at home.

 Clinton's campaign has been tight-lipped about the Sunday incident, releasing only two short statements throughout the day. Many lingering questions could be easily cleared up by the campaign, while others will take time. Here are nine big questions we still have:

1.) Why hide the pneumonia diagnosis?

Clinton suffered a coughing attack last week during an appearance in Cleveland, which she dismissed as seasonal allergies. She received her pneumonia diagnosis on Friday, but the public was not told about it until hours after the incident at the memorial, raising questions about whether Clinton had any plans to ever inform the public. Between the diagnosis and the near-collapse, Clinton appeared at two fundraisers, ran a national security meeting, and held a press conference.

Clinton's campaign appears to have, at best, withheld information from the public and ? at worst ? misled them by aggressively batting down "conspiracy theories" that her coughing fit was anything more than allergies. Opponents are already seeing the incident as proof of their claims that Clinton has been hiding health issues. And others may now be more incredulous of the campaign's statements on her health.

 2.) Has Clinton been otherwise ill in recent days?

Has she had pneumonia in the past? Pneumonia is common, but still a potentially dangerous disease that sends about 1 million people to the hospital every year and kills about 50,000, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

3.) Who made the call not to go to the hospital and when?

And did Clinton lose consciousness at all? After leaving the memorial, Clinton went to her daughter Chelsea's apartment and was later examined by her doctor at her own home in Chappaqua, New York. Why was it decided not to visit a hospital immediately?

4.) What is the campaign's position on the protective press pool?

Presidents and presidential candidates have traditionally traveled with a small, rotating group of journalists so the American public can get real-time updates about unexpected incidents ? exactly like the one on Sunday. But Clinton left her press pool behind at the Sept. 11 event and kept them in the dark for 90 minutes before providing any information on her whereabouts or health. Clinton has yet to agree to full "protective pool" coverage, which would allow reporters to follow her door-to-door. Will she now?

 5.) Will Clinton allow a true protective pool if elected president?

Clinton's health scare is already expected to potentially affect financial markets, but the impact would be far more dramatic if she were president. A 90-minute window with no news about a missing president could lead people to assume the worst. Clinton's, or her campaign's, choice to leave the press pool behind broke with precedent on access ? will that change if she's in the White House? Meanwhile, because Clinton has so far not agreed to full coverage, reporters have no way of knowing if she made other stops Sunday.

6.) Does Clinton accept the obligation to inform the public about her health?

Bill Clinton faced questions about his health too, and while he was unforthcoming in 1992, he sat for a detailed interview with the New York Times in 1996. "[T]he public has a right to know the condition of the president's health," Clinton said at the time.

 7.) How will this change her schedule going forward?

After canceling plans Monday and Tuesday, Clinton's schedule the rest of week remains up in the air. She is scheduled to appear in Las Vegas on Wednesday and Washington, D.C. Thursday.

8.) Will Clinton's health affect the first debate?

Clinton's first debate with Donald Trump is just over two weeks away, on September 26, so she'll want to be fully recovered by then.

9.) How will voters respond?

Clinton's core vulnerability is that most Americans don't find her honest or trustworthy. Will voters now feel like they've been misled about her health? Or will the vulnerability of the illness make Americans empathize more with someone who often has difficulty connecting.

To be sure, we know vastly more about Clinton's health than we do about Donald Trump's. Not only is the information released by her campaign more comprehensive than that released by his, but Clinton has lived her life in the national spotlight for 25 years.

We have intimate details about her 2012 hospitalization, for instance, because she was secretary of state at the time. Trump has not been subjected to the same kind of scrutiny and has been less forthcoming during his presidential campaign.

Clinton may also face a different standard because of her gender, her defenders say. Many presidential candidates have had health issues, but Clinton defenders say that while enduring health issues can be seen as a sign of persistence in male candidates, it's viewed as a sign of weakness in women.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-s-health-scare-9-unanswered-questions-n646551
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« Reply #398 on: September 12, 2016, 09:52:04 AM »


So it is now racist to question her health? C'mon !

Nope, didn't mean to imply that at all.  The "basket of deplorables" was just a shot at her comment about his supporters I couldn't resist.  It wasn't meant to imply any sort of racism, sexism, etc.  His surrogates and supporters will go hard after this.

But, really, its not all that big a deal, medically.

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I would think that an upper respiratory virus wouldn't make someone buckle at the knees and make them feel faint.

You would be wrong.  Not a little wrong. Very wrong.

Upper respiratory viruses, especially ones that turn into walking pneumonia, mess with your oxygen levels.  They can do fucked up shit to you.

I'm a healthy 42 year old man.  I got hit with a NASTY one of these last fall...coughed for 2 months straight.  I hit the ground once. It happens.  We see it all the time at work, too.  People in their 20's, 30's, etc have the same sorts of issues.  Recovery is pretty much 100% and speaks zippo to their general level of health.

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. I also an curious if it is pneumonia, why did they allow her to come in close contact with that many people yesterday? And that photo-op with the young girl in front of Chelsea's apartment a few hours later looked so staged to me. She said she feels fine and it was a beautiful day in NY. Yet shes taking 2 days off.

If she's been on antibiotics for 24 hours (and it sounds like she had been), she's not generally contagious.  Pneumonia, especially, is hard to transfer without body fluid contact (sputum or spit)...and typically only latches on if you're already immuno compromised, anyway.

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Isn't pneumonia contagious?

Yes, but of low level of contagion.  Risk is pretty low, especially if the other people are not immuno compromised, and almost zero if the infected person is on antibiotics for at least 24 hours.

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And they went from overheating to pneumonia, which is interesting. 

It can be both.  Overheating makes the symptoms worse (since they also effect oxygen levels), generally, as does strenuous activity. 
Nothing you saw yesterday is ACTUALLY unusual or cause for concern, medically.

But people will see what they want to see.

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 Ive heard it looks like Parkinsons, but who knows?  Just doesnt make sense to me I dont know the answers to this so Im asking....Can't help but be cynical about the official explanation since Hillary doesn't exactly level with the public on very much. 

Not a thing like Parkinsons.  She'd show a LOT more signs when she was on stage, etc.  It looks, and sounds if you hear her talk and the rasp in her voice (AXL!!!), like exactly what they are FINALLY telling people it is.  Especially in light of her coughing fit on the plane during the press interview. Coughing is not a parkinsons thing!

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Somehow, even after all she has been through, she hasn't figured out yet that trying to cover up something makes it worse. Think shes going to need to release some medical records to tamp this down. Her health issues cant be dismissed as easily now.

Dammit Jim,  I'm a senator, not a doctor.


 

The cover up was stupid.  They should have just said whats what.  I think they were too concerned with Trumps response to anything like this.  Honestly, it looks like a stupid thing. We'll see if it's actually more.

I agree: put out her med records to prove it.  Easiest thing.
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« Reply #399 on: September 12, 2016, 11:59:20 AM »

1.) Why hide the pneumonia diagnosis?

Because they were overly concerned by the political blowback.  Which, you know, is why they do everything. Sad

I think they actually DID think it was seasonal allergies, until it wouldn't go away when taking Clariton (or whatever), and then they went to go get it checked out.  It was a UR virus, and walking pneumonia, instead.

And yes, you can confuse the two.  A relatively low symptom UR virus can, rather suddenly, turn into fluid in your lungs (which, honestly, is all pneumonia really is...and the fluid tests positive for some virus or bacteria).

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2.) Has Clinton been otherwise ill in recent days?

Uh, yes.  We've seen and heard it in her press appearances.

The rest, I agree...she should release pertinent medical information about whether this is an ongoing issue for her.  Some people are very susceptible to it. And become more susceptible as they get older.

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3.) Who made the call not to go to the hospital and when?

This is an easy one: She did.  Probably because she had her diagnosis from the day before, knew she was over doing it (because her doctor had told her to slow down and she didn't listen) and 2 min after she got in the car with the AC and some water, she felt much better.

If she had an Loss of consciousness, I suspect she would have ended up in the ER.

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4.) What is the campaign's position on the protective press pool?


Yes, she will.  I think this sort of ran into the perfect storm.  She abandoned the pool not because of something nefarious or intentional, but because of the sensitivity and somberness of the event.  She didn't want to provide a distraction by walking in with a gaggle of press surrounding her (and Trump did a very similar thing..as did most of the dignitaries there).

The 90 minute wait, really, isn't all that long, IMHO.  It gave them time to assess the situation and be truthful in their response, once they knew she was going to be OK.  Likely that was spent talking to her physician and monitoring her to make sure there were no further symptoms.  That's a pretty standard timeline, if they were consulting with her doc.

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5.) Will Clinton allow a true protective pool if elected president?

First, calling this a health scare is like calling being successful in business a sacrifice. Wink  This is a bit more serious than a common cold, and a bit less serious than the flu.  And, in most cases, I'm not sure you can qualify getting the flu as a health scare.

And the rest is hyperbole.  If she were sitting president, there'd be no way you'd have a 90 minute window with no contact.  But she's not (yet).  She's a candidate.  And it didn't break precedent.  Not really.  Candidates have done similar things, for similar events, since time immemorial.  Obama did it a handful of times his first campaign, too.  So did Bush, Romney, Gore.....there are certain types of events where having the press surround you just isn't appropriate.  It happens.

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6.) Does Clinton accept the obligation to inform the public about her health?

Obligation is a strong word.  Nobody is obligated to share their personal health info, ever.

It would be a good campaign move to do so, though, and would probably reassure folks.  It would also shut down one of Trumps main talking points going forward.  That being said, its no longer something she can use as leverage to get Trump to release his tax returns.

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7.) How will this change her schedule going forward?

Short term (next few days), it'll probably slow her down.

Assuming the antibiotics work?  3 to 5 days from now she'll be right as rain.

And her schedule is not "up in the air".  It hasn't changed.  The only way it's "up in the air" is if you assume it will, without hearing so from the campaign itself (who have said they plan to proceed as normal).

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8.) Will Clinton's health affect the first debate?

Doubtful.

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9.) How will voters respond?

That's the million dollar question.  She'll take a hit (which she can't afford) in the polls unless she does or releases something definitive to kabosh the rumors about her health.  But how much? I tend to think this resounds more with people who were never voting for her, than it will with folks that were.

The truthfullness/disclosure/transparency thing is the kicker, here, though.  We'll see how baked in those concerns are at this point.  I think we're getting to the point we are with Trump saying stupid shit.  If you're a supporter, you just expect more of the same, and it rolls off you.  If you're not, you go nuts.  And if you're undecided, you know what you're contemplating on both sides....this isn't new news, anymore than Trump saying something stupid tonight would be, to you.


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