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underrated: ACDC and Led Zeppelin

How can AC/DC and Zepplin be under-rated? They're both considered two of the best rock bands ever!?!

Please explain?

How can AC/DC and Zepplin be under-rated? They're both considered two of the best rock bands ever!?!

Please explain?

Most unbiased polls on the general public wouldnt put zeppelin in the top 10 never mind the top 3 which is where i believe they should be. Thats why i believe they are underrated.

Nirvana are the most overated ever.

i dont think zep and dc can possibly be underated, Zep ecspecially.
Zepplin fans are the biggest idiots ever (alongside oasis and radiohead fans), they constantly ram it down  peoples throats how there the greatest thing since slice bread and if you disagree your a fuckin arsehole, on another board i stated a opinon (in a very civil war) and got a ton of abuse just cos if find them overated and plagarists.
Fuck Led zepplin and there 30mins drum solos

if you go to forums of other groups and make accusations, then the fans will be defensive or retaliatory...

you may have missed the part when i said ''i was civil''
It wasnt a accusation, it was a opinon topic not started by me, i stated 'my' opinon in a courteouse manner and got called all things under the sun for it.
This is just one example of how led zepplin fans behave, like there beyond critisism and if you even dare to knock them your a fuckin arsehole.

About the plagarism charges, maybe you better read this...
http://zeppelin.hippy.com/stolentunes.htm

Stolen Tunes
One of the things Led Zeppelin regularly become accused of is 'nicking' bits of old blues numbers. And it is true, to a certain extent. The spice to the story is that for years the issues of 'what where the original versions?' and, especially where credit and songwriting royalties were concerned 'who were the original writers?' became obsessively researched topics for many a music journalist and fan alike. Later spilling over into the law courts as claims and counter claims were made. A problem in particular for Led Zeppelin was that during the 60's so many artists had recorded versions of old blues songs and re-credited the original compositions to themselves and made money out of it that for Led Zeppelin to continue the practice into the 1970's and be even more successful was pouring oil onto troubled waters. Their high visibility made them stand out as targets for claimants.

Here are just a few of the most well-known 'musical thefts'!:

'Black Waterside' by Bert Jansch is the main guitar element of 'Black Mountain Side,' 'When the Levee Breaks' was originally written by a bizarre skiffle duo, Memphis Minnie and Kansas Joe. 'She Moved Thru' the Bizarre' by Davey Graham is the basis of Jimmy's solo 'White Summer.'

'Shake 'Em On Down' by Bukka White was raided twice by Zep, firstly on 'Hats Off to (Roy) Harper' and then on 'Custard Pie' which have very similar lyrical content anyway! 'How Many More Years' by Howlin' Wolf seems to have combined with a little bit of riffage from Albert King's 'The Hunter' to form the classic Zeppelin tune, 'How Many More Times'.

'You Need Love' was a song written by bluesman Willie Dixon for Muddy Waters, which found it's way into the lyrics of 'Whole Lotta Love' and was contested by Dixon. Musically, it's an original Led Zeppelin creation. Although, the riff seems to mildly resemble that of 'Drugstore Woman' by John Lee Hooker! 'I Can't Quit You Baby' was written by Willie Dixon and was credited correctly on the album, Led Zeppelin I.

'Bring It On Home' was originally written by Willie Dixon, once again, but it's really the version by Sonny Boy Williamson's version that bears most resemblance to LZ's recording. 'Travelling Riverside Blues' is lyrically Robert Johnson's and musically Johnny Winter's 'Leavin' Blues'. 'Nobody's Fault But Mine' is a song written by Blind Willie Johnson, which bears a strong resemblance to the song of the same title which was credited to Zep. Plant acknowledged that the song was based on that of "another written a long time previously."

'Babe I'm Gonna Leave You', was originally written by Annie Briggs nee Briddon who Pagey had seen and heard during the mid 60's. The well known recorded version of the song was by Joan Baez. 'Jesus Make Up My Dying Bed' is one of the well known lines of 'In My Time of Dying'. Maybe that's because it was the title of a song written by Blind Willie Johnson. The Zep tune bears resemblance to this, but a subsequent version in the 1930's by Josh White has been named by Page as having been also heard.

'The Girl I Love, She Got Long Curly Hair' was written by 'Sleepy' John Estes in the 1920's, and was raided by Zeppelin twice, in 'The Girl I Love' on the BBC Sessions, and really as the riff to Bonham's drum solo 'Moby Dick'. 'Killing Floor' by Howlin' Wolf was the origin of Zep's 'Lemon Song'. It is supposed that the Lemon title came from a Robert Johnson song referring to "squeeze my lemon," although Johnson was not the only one to use the allegory. The publishers for Howlin' Wolf challenged through the courts in the early 70's and a settlement was reached.

'Ooh My Head' by Ritchie Valens, resembles Zep's 'Boogie With Stu'. It's prime 50's rock 'n' roll influences also included 'Ooh My Soul' by Little Richard. 'You Shook Me' was written by Willie Dixon for Muddy Waters, and was correctly credited on Led Zeppelin I. In the same year of release, 1968, the Jeff Beck group also released a similar version of this track, and so Dixon did not challenge the band because of having to launch a duel assault on both groups!

yeah Pink Floyd is very overrated. I wonder why. Their songs ain't so special like all the critics say.

AC/DC and Aerosmith  >:(

AC/DC seem very average to me, u can add The Rolling Stones to that too...and hell Black Sabbath too.

Nirvana are the most overated ever.

i dont think zep and dc can possibly be underated, Zep ecspecially.
Zepplin fans are the biggest idiots ever (alongside oasis and radiohead fans), they constantly ram it down  peoples throats how there the greatest thing since slice bread and if you disagree your a fuckin arsehole, on another board i stated a opinon (in a very civil war) and got a ton of abuse just cos if find them overated and plagarists.
Fuck Led zepplin and there 30mins drum solos

yeah Pink Floyd is very overrated. I wonder why. Their songs ain't so special like all the critics say.

are you JOKING???  :rant:

i was especially pissed at the RS poll that didnt have slash, but had kurt at #14.

Geez.....this hatred for Nirvana! I like GNR and Nirvana, okay i like GNR more but Nirvana are pretty good ya know, to be fair i was never massively impressed with them when i first heard them but i dug out Nevermind the other day and it blew me away, i don't see why u can't like GNR and Nirvana just cos Kurt and Axl didn't get along.......

nirvana constantly get classed as some brilliant band that were light years ahead of anything ever; when they obviously were not.

Metallica.
1.5 OK 10+ years old albums and for some twisted reason, people still remember those fucking idiots.

From that list, AC/DC and Nirvana are the most fucking overrated bands ever, closely followed by Led Zeppelin and Metallica. But these bands can't even hold a candle to the immense overated-ness of the most overrated band this planet has ever produced: U2!

I'm hesitant to jump on the trend and bash Metallica like everyone else. They were metal's heroes in the 80's! I wouldn't say they are Zeppelin caliber, but their old stuff is definitely not overrated! Hell, ...And Justice for All isn't given enough credit!  Their 90's stuff onward is the overrated crap, but nothing can take away from what they did in the 80's.

The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Led Zeppelin
Black Sabbath
Aerosmith
Ozzy Osbourne
AC/DC
Van Halen
Metallica
Def Leppard
Nirvana
Pearl Jam

over rated definitely nirvana and van halen, i think van halen are wayyyyyyyyyyy overrated

Do you know what word I associate with Nirvana's music? "Catchy". A lot of it is throwaway stuff. Nice shit to sing along to, yet dosn't have too much of an impact on you.
However, "In Utero" could be the exception there...

I have to say my choice is Kiss - i just really don't get them. ?When your young you think ah they look like they could be cool (going by the pics of them). ?

Then when you actually listen to them, it's just slushy pop sprayed sliver and covered in flames lol. Via their merchandise, they think they are star trek or something. con-mercial is the fucking word for them heh I even saw Kiss coffins the other day!?

Sorry i know they have alot of dedicated followers but i have tried and just dont get them.

Maroon 5 suck too, I don't know why they're so popular.

I love Nirvana

Most over rated is Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Just so bland and average

Definitely RHCP for me also.

How the hell Rolling Stone could rate Kurt as the #5 guitarist of all time just boggles my mind.

Nirvana has awesome songs, same for RHCP and Colplays's song "trouble" is one of the kind.

The Big Three:

Dave Matthwes Band
Coldplay
Linkin Park

All equally horrible and unoriginal.

Kujo, sure on paper they appear unoriginal but their sound is far from groundbreaking.? Most of their songs sound the same to me.? I've seen them live twice and even bought one of their earlier albums but they do nothing for me despite my efforts to like them.?

Nirvana and RHCP are two of the greatest bands period, definitely not overrated.

Overrated I choose Led Zepplin

For some reason no one is ever suppose to be a greater rock band and I dont agree, I just dont hear what others hear.

hey guys I started this THREAD why, my name is not First?

I STARTED THIS THREAD MMMM

the rolling stones

i offically have deemed kieth richard numbnuts

hell i could probably play better then him

Oasis- Can't stand 'em!

U miss the point - over-rated doesn't denying they have some great songs its just the hype doesn't match the reality - hence 'over-rated', if they had no good stuff they wouldn't be 'over-rated' they would just be shite

Hmn, Niravana are good but nothing amazing...

And what's the big deal with Greenday lately? Everyone seems to love them all of a sudden. (some of you may want to kill me) but i find their songs completely boring, repetitive and unoriginal...and the new video is a crap attempt at trying to make a statement?)...give me strength :no:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Dookie was good everything else was shit

 :smoking: Izzy  :smoking:

lol. this is the best Rock band of the last decade.

Iron Maiden is pretty overrated.

The new Metallica line up is the most overrated thing going. Is the rumour still floating around about Hetfield quitting ???

Sorry my Brit friends but when Oasis are called the best band of the last decade, that automatically puts them as overrated.

I never could get into them and like Radiohead i just never could see the big deal in either of these bands.

Sorry my Brit friends but when Oasis are called the best band of the last decade, that automatically puts them as overrated.

I never could get into them and like Radiohead i just never could see the big deal in either of these bands.

D if you like NIN then you would like Radiohead.  They're actually very similar, Radiohead is just less blatant about their mood in the music.  Check out OK Computer for starters.  KID A after that.

but Kurt Cobain probably made his best career move when he offed himself because had he not done that, there's no way Nirvana would have reached the legendary status they have today.

Actually estranged88 started pretty much the same thread on 24 October 2003 so he beat you to it by way over a year dude, and i'm guessing one of the mods or jarmo thought rather than have several threads on the same subject lying around why not put them together...saves people repeating their views in thread after thread....does it bother you that much that your name is not first?

People dont wanna give Kurt credit, now overrated guitarist maybe but I dont think he is overrated at all.

Nirvana crushed hair bands, I mean think about that, Nirvana crushed the hair bands and ushered in a new wave of music, how many times has a musical revolution like that happened? just a few im sure.


Oasis outside of Champagne Supernova have never appealed to me, granted I havent heard a shitload of their songs so Im probably missing out on them and radiohead, I do dig Creep by radiohead

i downloaded a few Radiohead songs a while back though and never could really get into them.

? ? ?I know everybody has their own opinion but I have got to say that The Beatles are the greatest band of all time. Their later material (i.e. The White Album, Abbey Road, Sgt. Pepper's, pretty much everything from Rubber Soul on) is absolutely mind-blowing (the older stuff is pretty good too) and it's effects are still in music today. Those albums are the ones that created popular music and it sounded so different from everything at that time.
? ? ?If it wasn't for The Beatles, a lot of the bands out there today would not be around (For example, Ozzy's a huge Beatles fan and his favorite song is A Day In The Life)

Some overrated bands of today: Although I like 'em.

Franz Ferninand
White Stripes
The Strokes

Dream Theater. they think they would be the next "Yes".....come oooonnnnnnn!!!   ::)

Nine Inch Nails. Trent is talented, but he's no genius.

but I think they are trying to much to experiment with music that at the end they have lost that je ne pas? that makes rock great

D... you are giving Kurt and Nirvana WAYYYYYYY too much credit (hense, the title of this thread is very appropriate when speaking in terms of Nirvana.)

Nirvana did NOT kill hair bands... they were pretty much destroyed when GnR hit the scene and made it ok for rock to be nasty again.  Before GnR... thanks to Bon Jovi and the other hair bands, the hard rock sound had become too mainstream and too nice.

What Nirvana (along with others -- Pearl Jam & Alice in Chains come to mind) did do, is usher in a new style of music.  They helped create the grunge sound -- the angst ridden sound that reminded us that life sucks -- which was just as effectively killed when Kurt killed himself (or someone killed him).   Grunge was probably the shortest lived musical style in history... I think that Disco even lived a longer life than did grunge.

However, that is nothing exceptional.  It's no more amazing than when Punk Rock stamped out the disco flames in the late 70s.   

It happens all the time... something comes along to kick mainstream music in it's collective ass and all the sudden the musical tide changes.  And it has just as much to do with who is listening to the music as it does to who is creating it... because as the current mainstream generation gets older, they get replaced by a younger crowd who have different musical preferences.

 :-*

Not trying to be picky but doesn't je ne pas mean "I am not"?!

Yes don't worry I correct it, is je ne se pas right?? :nervous:

I don't know! You could have been right in the first place, but I do French in school and it just didn't sound right, but I'm shit at it so I dunno!  ;D

Agree with you my friend, they think that they could be the next Metallica or Megadeth or something that is supposed to be the next, but I think they are trying to much to experiment with music that at the end they have lost that je ne se pas? that makes rock great

Not a huge Metallica, Megadeth or Pantera fan..."rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, I'm angry!"

Yeah, I get it.

U2.

Daddy Yankee the guy who sings...  Vasolina dame mas vasolina... hehe. Just kidding Vasoline 73 :peace:

apart from the 'is talented' bit i agree

Yep man, I tried to refer to  Vasoline 73 hehe...  : ok:

definatly pearljam and deff leppard

Really Def Leppard? ???
I think they are quite forgetable in every list of rock, people just think that lep is all about pour some sugar on me or 2 steps behind. But its more than that, albums like histeria, pyromania and retroactive are worth listening

When people look back on Rock history in 50yrs the gimmick of Def Leppard having a drummer with 1 arm will sound pathetic.

Wait it already does, hysteria is a decent album but i'm pretty sure less than 5% of all abums are anyway.

When people look back on Rock history in 50yrs the gimmick of Def Leppard having a drummer with 1 arm will sound pathetic.

Wait it already does

I'm not a huge Def Leppard fan, but I think you're being unfair.

You should give some examples of how it's a gimmick. The guy can't help it if he lost his arm in a car accident. He's just playing the cards he was dealt. By the way, he was an awesome drummer before. Like -Jack- said, go listen to their early stuff.

Def Leppard overrated? Does anyone even hold them in any high esteem at all these days? They're largely considered a joke. Ditto for Van Halen. Only '80s rock fans really listen to them a lot. Van Halen still gets airplay but they're not really considered as great as The Beatles or Nirvana.

I'd say Nirvana are most overrated closely followed by Metallica. But at least Nirvana had a cultural impact and I can understand their relevance at the time; Metallica are just complete shit IMO and did nothing that wasn't already being done. Boring music and terrible lyrics. The only song I like that they've done is "Enter Sandman" and also "I Disappear" which incidentally enough most Metallica fans hate because it was done for "M:I-2" and is considered to be from their "sell-out" phase. Whatever - I think it kicks ass.

Metallica are just complete shit IMO and did nothing that wasn't already being done. Boring music and terrible lyrics. T

You can think their music is boring, but terrible lyrics?? Have you ever read the lyrics to Disposable Heroes, One, Master of Puppets or Fade to Black?

Metallica are just complete shit IMO and did nothing that wasn't already being done. Boring music and terrible lyrics. T

You can think their music is boring, but terrible lyrics?? Have you ever read the lyrics to Disposable Heroes, One, Master of Puppets or Fade to Black?

Darkness imprisoning me
All that I see
Absolute horror
I cannot live
I cannot die
Trapped in myself
Body my holding cell

Yeah, their lyrics annoy me.

I find them juvenile and simplistic. It's because I don't like that genre very much.


Not my cup of tea.

What a 2 dimensional life you must live.

hey RussianRoulette, your the man and i respect you but...

i respectfully disagree about Metallica. Their 80's stuff is some of the greatest music i have ever heard.

so the lyrics are simplistic sometimes so what? they get the point across and dealt with mature topics that most thrash metal bands at the time didn't deal with.

i also  feel that the music is incredibly melodic and intricate. also, if u think about some of their records were loose concept albums:

Master of Puppets- methods of control
Ride the Lightning- different ways of dying
...And Justice For All- The abuse and corruption in our justice system.

Or maybe I just have different taste in music than you do?

Wow, imagine that.

80's Metallica is great, after the black album they sold their souls to corporate america.

After Justice you mean.

not so much, black album was released in 91' i think but still very, very good. took them along time to make and put their hearts into it more than load and beyond

Nirvana and the Ramones are the most overrated bands ever, according to me who cannot be arsed to read the 10 pages of the thread.

On this website - Oasis is the most overrated band. People here (most likely in UK), treat them like they ARE the next Beatles.. Up there with the greats. When in reality, they about as good as 2nd tier bands like The Offspring & Dave Mattews Band.

Yeah, I've also noticed it seems to be a UK thing. Nothing wrong with sticking up to your own boys, of course.

They do suck though :P

On this website - Oasis is the most overrated band. People here (most likely in UK), treat them like they ARE the next Beatles.. Up there with the greats. When in reality, they about as good as 2nd tier bands like The Offspring & Dave Mattews Band.


Also Megadeath was pretty crappy.

red hot chilli peppers.

they only did like 2 fully good albums.

Bollocks.

The most over-rated band ever are The Killers or COLPLAY. <--- definitely.

i agree with your add ons of bands, they are crap lol.

but chili peppers were lame after blood sugar.

Came back strong with Dani Califonia too. Mars & Jupiter are both solid.  : ok:

If you beleive the Ramones are overrated you're an idiot.

Green Day is massively overrated and overplayed. I think System of A Down are overrated too. I think their fans are funny though. After all "My cock is bigger than yours" is the most poetic statement ever. I like some of their songs but come on, not every stupid saying has a huge metaphorical meaning. Every dumb thing someone says becomes very deep if you twist it around and think about it enough.

They use the same vocal tricks with most of their songs, and it gets old fast.

overrated: rolling stones, nirvana, iron maiden, bon jovi and ac/dc

Iron Maiden?  :o
People are always saying everything is better than Maiden, Maiden is non overrated neither underrated, it stays in the coolness of a great band.
Of those I think Nirvana is super overrated.

Green Day is massively overrated and overplayed. I think System of A Down are overrated too. I think their fans are funny though. After all "My cock is bigger than yours" is the most poetic statement ever. I like some of their songs but come on, not every stupid saying has a huge metaphorical meaning. Every dumb thing someone says becomes very deep if you twist it around and think about it enough.