DISCUSSIONS about the Best 80's Frontman Survivor!

[Ignatius]

Let's try this & see how it works.

Here's where the discussions about your choices should take place. Kinda like Jarmo's done with the polls thread.? If you want to talk about Jon Bon Jovi, james hetfield, Vince Neil...let's do it here.

The reason I'm doing this is because sometimes it does take weeks to get over one round, so in order to keep the voting simple and fast, I've decided to try this instead.

[Tied-Up]

OK, so I guess I'll jump right in, even though voting hasn't really officially started and say ...    how could you forget about Rob Halford?   

[Captain Obvious]

Rob Halford is a close call. Although, I think he is disgustingly good at singing, he was also a big part of the 70's. Well, I guess they were big in both decades. You're right, forgeting Rob Halford is a crime. Im gonna go edit my addition.

Another question is how can you not include Sebastian Bach? I'm sorry, I can't put this in a more polite way. How can you not include Bach?!! The man is a vocal titan, can sing circles around 95% of the people who were nominated, has great presence to him, and posesses that rock n roll aura. Sure, he might be an incredible asshole at times, but he has some of the best vocals EVER. I can think of very few frontmen in the last 20 years who even come close to his ability.

Seriously,  look at all the famous rock frontmen in the last 20 years. Who can honestly come close to Bach's singing? Halford, ok. Dio, fine. But who else? Very little, that's who. You may not like him, but you can't deny the fact that as far as techincal ability goes, he is one of the best of all time.

Now I hear you saying. Captain Obvious! techincial ability isn't everything. And you are partially right, grasshopper. But it's not something you can just overlook. It is one aspect which is not truly subjective, whereas others are.

[Tied-Up]

Captain:  I agree that Sebastian is awesome.  I didn't vote for him... and I should have, I was too busy wondering why Rob Halford wasn't on there.  The man is amazing. 

Not only that, but I met him.  LOL

I lived in Reno at the time of the "just do it" trial when Judas Priest were accused of having subliminal messages suggesting that their fans blow their brains out with shotguns.  (Since the message was "just do it" does this not also mean that Nike is guilty of blantantly suggesting that people blow thier brains out with shotguns?)

OK, so I am going to go change my vote to include Sebastian... and also to include Ronnie James Dio.  I can't believe I forgot him too.  He may be short, but he has amazing vocal talent.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

OK, so I am going to go change my vote to include Sebastian... and also to include Ronnie James Dio.? I can't believe I forgot him too.? He may be short, but he has amazing vocal talent.

you're right - I love his songs.  cant believe I forgot him 

Now I'm wondering if I should replace Michael Hutchence with Dio...

Also, the Freddie Mercury/Steven Tyler thing is tricky.  If we're going by the decade that the frontman first became a public figure, then I need to change my list.

[D]

i kinda agree it should be the decade where they were most famous


sebastian bach doesnt qualify for me cause he is just a singer and he was on the 90's

steve perry sang as well as sebasitan, that motherfucker can sing.

sebastian to me wasnt as versatile as say axl rose, bach could cream like no ones business but he didnt really have the different dynamics and range as axl.

its the same argument as slash vs buckethead

bach can sing technically better than say jon bon jovi but i much prefer jon's voice to bach's. jon's voice has that emotional quality that i could listen to him sing anything, bach gets annoying after a few songs, kind of like shredder guitar players, the novelty is cool for a couple songs but it quickly wears off on my ears.

frontman to me means the whole spectrum and sebastian wasnt a writer, he sang songs that others wrote
same goes for vince neil, vince had a few writing credits like sebastian but i think the other frontmen who had more significant roles in their bands should get nods above dudes who sang very well.

shit on jon bon jovi all u want but he wrote or cowrote every bon jovi song ever made except one "she dont know me"

Frontman to me is different than a lead singer.

David Lee Roth i dont think was much of a singer or writer but damn he was entertaining and probably? more copied than anyone in the 80's.

of course im for jon bon jovi and if he doesnt at least make it to the final 5 or 6 im gonna be greatly pissed off.

I know he wont win *im sure some of u will vote him off just to spite me* but please no prejudice when judging, please give him his due and i dont wanna ruin his chances.

[Skeletor]

I didn't nominate Prince, because it's hard to think of him as a frontman.. he's just Prince Otherwise he is without a shadow of doubt in the top-3 artists of the 80s.

[Ignatius]

OK, so I guess I'll jump right in, even though voting hasn't really officially started and say ...? ? how could you forget about Rob Halford?? ?

Yeah..I admit it, I forgot. I came up with that list in about 10 minutes ( some names I had to look up though) I knew somebody was gonna bitch me out for forgetting such and such...

However, never been a fan of Judas...


About Bach, I don't dislike him, but I see him more a part of the 90's.

[Mikkamakka]

About Bach, I don't dislike him, but I see him more a part of the 90's.

I agree, but a lot of people voted off Bach in the 90s Survivor claiming that he's so 80s...

[Tied-Up]

shit on jon bon jovi all u want but he wrote or cowrote every bon jovi song ever made except one "she dont know me"

Frontman to me is different than a lead singer.

David Lee Roth i dont think was much of a singer or writer but damn he was entertaining and probably? more copied than anyone in the 80's.

Being a "frontman" has nothing to do with writing ability, that is musicianship.  A frontman is about stage presence and entertainment value.  Which is why, in my opinion, eddie vedder has no business being called a "frontman"  -- a singer, yes... maybe even a good singer (although I don't like him, but that's another discussion)... but, not a frontman, because all he does is stand there and look at his feet and sing.  He doesn't have stage presense or charisma onstage.  I'm sure that this comment can be, and probably will be, disputed.  But it's my opinion, and it's one that comes from having witnessed them onstage.

of course im for jon bon jovi and if he doesnt at least make it to the final 5 or 6 im gonna be greatly pissed off.

I know he wont win *im sure some of u will vote him off just to spite me* but please no prejudice when judging, please give him his due and i dont wanna ruin his chances.

I'm going to vote off Bon Jovi not to spite you, but because I think he sucks.  It's not all about you.   

I've seen Jon in concert too, and if we are going to talk about frontmen, and their entertianment value... Sebastian Bach is vastly superior to Jon. 

OK, so I guess I'll jump right in, even though voting hasn't really officially started and say ...    how could you forget about Rob Halford?   

Yeah..I admit it, I forgot. I came up with that list in about 10 minutes ( some names I had to look up though) I knew somebody was gonna bitch me out for forgetting such and such...

However, never been a fan of Judas...


About Bach, I don't dislike him, but I see him more a part of the 90's.

I don't think you have to be a fan of Judas Priest to recognize Rob Halford's talent.  Again, if we are going to talk about entertainment value... Rob Halford has amazing stage presence... he commands the attention... when you go to a Judas concert, you don't even realize that there are other people on stage... he's just that good.

[BP]

  bach not 80's?  I understand his biggest hit album was released in 89(?)   but the band, promo, singles, videos I think is from the 80's run & how quick the run was. If you put skid row 90's, then thats where Ax.l should be.

18 & life was ranked up top in the charts in 89. The band is a product of 80's hair yelling marketing.  but I guess it is a close call, but if I voted for Bach = I'd keep him in higher ranks for 80's & then quickly vote him off for 90's.

- General BP

[Hammy]

About Bach, I don't dislike him, but I see him more a part of the 90's.

I agree, but a lot of people voted off Bach in the 90s Survivor claiming that he's so 80s...

Yeah that was crazy he did better material in the 90s and much more as well.  Anyway i thought the rules where that nobody could be in more than 1 survivor and if so [i could be wrong] why are so many nominating Bach?

[Captain Obvious]

bach could cream like no ones business but he didnt really have the different dynamics and range as axl.

I really hope you don't mean vocal range.

Besides being extremely talented techincally, I think Bach can convey emotions as good as anyone else.  I can't listen to him for a long time though, I get exhausted.

And I think that, if there ever was a decade which can be associated with Bach, it is the eightees. He was still awesome in the ninetees, but, like previously mentioned, their biggest hits were in the late eightees.

[Tied-Up]

Bad Typo: 

sebastian to me wasnt as versatile as say axl rose, bach could cream like no ones business but he didnt really have the different dynamics and range as axl.

[the dirt]

I don't usually participate in these "survivors", but michael Hutchence is the iconic 80's frontman.

[D]

difference with bach is every song sounds the same to me

his voice is like one thing and it gets bland, i could never listen to more than 3 or 4 skid row songs in a row.

axl has like 3 or 4 different types of voices and he keeps interesting

its like bach has one melody or something he sings and although he can SCREAM *sorry * like no ones business and has a high octave range, he gets very very annoying to me, plus he was replaced

i think a top frontman should never be able to be replaced in a band. if that frontman is gone the band is over.

i saw skid row open for Kiss and i had no idea it wasnt sebastian, i just thought he got a little fatter or something.

u could never see bon jovi performing without Jon and some of these other bands.

a million people can scream but very few frontmen are Icons

Jon i think is one of the few 80's frontmen who is an absolute undisputed Icon internationally.

when Jon was filming the movie U-571, his costars talked how he couldnt even go to a movie with the cast or go anywhere and this was like in switzerland or somewhere oh but let me guess its only cause he is *good looking* i forgot, how silly of me, he cant play guitar worth shit, cant play piano worth shit, cant sing worth shit and cant write a song worth shit, has NO charisma at all but he's so good looking millions of people see his picture on an album cover and fork over 20 hard earned dollars just for 2 photographs of him in a book *slaps self* what are they thinking??people selling out every arena and stadium just so maybe Jon will turn around and they can see his ass! *slaps self again* this is amazing that a man can be this good looking he can fool everyone into making him one of the richest men in rock history! thank his parents and God for his body,hair and cheekbones, boy or he wouldve never made it!? ?*sarcastic mode off*

[Mikkamakka]

difference with bach is every song sounds the same to me

his voice is like one thing and it gets bland, i could never listen to more than 3 or 4 skid row songs in a row.

axl has like 3 or 4 different types of voices and he keeps interesting

its like bach has one melody or something he sings and although he can SCREAM *sorry * like no ones business and has a high octave range, he gets very very annoying to me, plus he was replaced

i think a top frontman should never be able to be replaced in a band. if that frontman is gone the band is over.

i saw skid row open for Kiss and i had no idea it wasnt sebastian, i just thought he got a little fatter or something.

u could never see bon jovi performing without Jon and some of these other bands.

a million people can scream but very few frontmen are Icons

Jon i think is one of the few 80's frontmen who is an absolute undisputed Icon internationally.

when Jon was filming the movie U-571, his costars talked how he couldnt even go to a movie with the cast or go anywhere and this was like in switzerland or somewhere oh but let me guess its only cause he is *good looking* i forgot, how silly of me, he cant play guitar worth shit, cant play piano worth shit, cant sing worth shit and cant write a song worth shit, has NO charisma at all but he's so good looking millions of people see his picture on an album cover and fork over 20 hard earned dollars just for 2 photographs of him in a book *slaps self* what are they thinking??people selling out every arena and stadium just so maybe Jon will turn around and they can see his ass! *slaps self again* this is amazing that a man can be this good looking he can fool everyone into making him one of the richest men in rock history! thank his parents and God for his body,hair and cheekbones, boy or he wouldve never made it!? ?*sarcastic mode off*

You are right that Axl has about 4 different voices, but it has nothing to do with this survivor. And like you can't listen more than 4 SR songs because you're getting bored the same happens with me listenin Bon Jovi, so it's only a matter of taste. And this 'repleced' thing isn't good at all: Bon Scott was replaced, Ozzy Osbourne was replaced and now even Jim Morrison and Freddie Mercury are replaced. It doesn't change anything about the singers' quality. When Axl wanted to quit GN'R the band was in talks with Sebastian Bach - had Bach replaced Axl you'd have thought Axl is a worse frontman?

[D]

point being if black sabbath played a show without ozzy u would immediately know it wasnt ozzy, u would know it wasnt axl or any of those other frontmen

but i was a skid row fan for years and had no idea that wasnt sebastian bach he look similiar and sounded exactly the same.

no one could sound like ozzy or axl or freddie mercury or jim morrison and the doors and queen are idiots for going on without freddie and Jim i think its one of the most horrible things in music history

u cant call yourself the doors and queen aint brian may the drummer and whoever

i think its deplorable carrying on without freddie and Jim

sebastian is one of the best rock screamers ever though, no disputing that

but the one guy who is comparable to sebastians virtuoso is Axl and i was just pointing out that Axl had the whole package unlike Bach who sounds similiar on just about every song.

[Captain Obvious]

Well I like Axl better because he is a better songwriter, more interesting, has more depth, etc, whereas Bach has always relied on someone else's songwriting. But I have a lot of respect for Bach's techincal ability and, while I really like Axl's voice, I think Bach is a much much better singer, as far as ability is concerned.

But I understand what you are saying, Axl may not be as good of a vocalist, in terms of techincality, but is more unique, recogniseable, stylish, etc.

[Hammy]

but i was a skid row fan for years and had no idea that wasnt sebastian bach he look similiar and sounded exactly the same.

I'd just say that's poor observation on your part i saw the new band live and they were great but the guy's only likeness is the fact he has long hair aswell and his vocal range is nowhere near as good.  Also how could any Skid Row fan find Bach's voice annoying after a few songs?  Skid Row fan for years.........yeah sure