Las Vegas - Sep 16 update thread

[cyllan]

This is what a Rock n' Roll show is about.

I thought rock n' roll was about doing whatever the fuck you want to and not caring what somebody thinks you should be doing at your live shows....

/jarmo

Precisely, jarmo.? You go to see a GNR show and you get what Axl wants to give you - as he said himself at one of the European shows (forget which one), "This isn't have it your way".? But then, of course, it never was.? Only one man decides the course of a GNR show and it isn't a member of the audience!

If you don't get what you were hoping for (especially when it's your first live show) and the months or maybe years of anticipation come crashing down around your ears, I do understand that it must be frustrating.? But, the brutal truth is that no amount of complaining on these boards will change Axl's mind - in fact, I'd guess that if he ever does get to hear of it, it'd make him more determined that ever to continue on his own sweet path; stubborn bugger that he is (allegedly!). ?

[spuddy1]

This is what a Rock n' Roll show is about.

I thought rock n' roll was about doing whatever the fuck you want to and not caring what somebody thinks you should be doing at your live shows....

I really suggest you take your "discussion" to the Dead Horse section instead of polluting multiple threads in the GN'R section with the same fucking whining week after week.?

Jarmo,

I agree with nesquick, the solo's make the show lose the momentum, it seems to me you really have rose tinted glasses on, no matter what Axl does you seem to always back him up(i suppose your loyal, not knocking that) just wish you could be a little more Rock and Roll, and not be afraid to express a different point of view, without worring that axl might get upset and not read your name out on stage again, i love this board, and you probaly tell me to fuck off and join another board, but least i can see both sides to GNR, when there good i will praise them, when there not i wont.


/jarmo

[spuddy1]

Jarmo,

I agree with nesquick, the solo's make the show lose the momentum, it seems to me you really have rose tinted glasses on, no matter what Axl does you seem to always back him up(i suppose your loyal, not knocking that) just wish you could be a little more Rock and Roll, and not be afraid to express a different point of view, without worring that axl might get upset and not read your name out on stage again, i love this board, and you probaly tell me to fuck off and join another board, but least i can see both sides to GNR, when there good i will praise them, when there not i wont.


Jon

[Mr.Intensity]

I agree that there are too many solos as well.

I hope it all changes once the tour on October 23rd/24th starts.

Hopefully, we'll get ot hear all the new solos on all the new songs.

[codenameninja]

I agree that there are too many solos as well.

I hope it all changes once the tour on October 23rd/24th starts.

Hopefully, we'll get ot hear all the new solos on all the new songs.

They need the solos so that poor *not as young as he was* Axl can take small breaks between various songs.

[cyllan]

They need the solos so that poor *not as young as he was* Axl can take small breaks between various songs.

Cheeky sod - just you wait 'till you're past the first flush of youth.?

[cyllan]

Jarmo,

I agree with nesquick, the solo's make the show lose the momentum, it seems to me you really have rose tinted glasses on, no matter what Axl does you seem to always back him up(i suppose your loyal, not knocking that) just wish you could be a little more Rock and Roll, and not be afraid to express a different point of view, without worring that axl might get upset and not read your name out on stage again, i love this board, and you probaly tell me to fuck off and join another board, but least i can see both sides to GNR, when there good i will praise them, when there not i wont.


Jon

Not wishing to put words in jarmo's mouth 'cos I know he's more than capable of answering for himself, but just because he, or I for that matter, don't agree with your view about this issue or any other, doesn't mean that it's not an honestly-held opinion.

[jarmo]

Lose the momentum? I wonder if some of you were even around on the UYI tour.

Drum solo!


The band has had solos in the past, but I guess some of you seem to glorify the past. Which I guess is normal.


The difference now is that they all get to play something, not just the lead guitar player. We have a certain person complaining about "ego problems" in the band, but as soon as the band members get to stand in the spotlight, it's a problem.

I just don't get it.

and not be afraid to express a different point of view, without worring that axl might get upset and not read your name out on stage again

 

If you only knew how much I worry about that....



If you still want to continue talking about the fucking setlist in every "update" thread on this tour, I suggest you and nesquick start a new thread in the Dead Horse section right away.



/jarmo

[ppbebe]

But, the brutal truth is that no amount of complaining on these boards will change Axl's mind - in fact, I'd guess that if he ever does get to hear of it, it'd make him more determined that ever to continue on his own sweet path; stubborn bugger that he is (allegedly!). 

A mount of whines or bashings won't change anyone's mind really but understandings and sympathies will make all the difference.
In fact, IRS and some songs were played at the request of other members.
Apparently he listens to his band mates and some other trusties (donno how often).

[Skinflick]

Lose the momentum? I wonder if some of you were even around on the UYI tour.

Drum solo!


The band has had solos in the past, but I guess some of you seem to glorify the past. Which I guess is normal.


The difference now is that they all get to play something, not just the lead guitar player. We have a certain person complaining about "ego problems" in the band, but as soon as the band members get to stand in the spotlight, it's a problem.

I just don't get it.

and not be afraid to express a different point of view, without worring that axl might get upset and not read your name out on stage again

 

If you only knew how much I worry about that....



If you still want to continue talking about the fucking setlist in every "update" thread on this tour, I suggest you and nesquick start a new thread in the Dead Horse section right away.



/jarmo

Yeah....a ton of fans on here were in grade school, if that, when the UYI tour came around... not everyone, but a lot.....solos are nothing new....It has been an expected thing since MID 1991....be happy they are playing live and that it has been stated by AXL, IN FRONT OF CAMERAS, that CD is out this year. Have a nice day

[codenameninja]

Lose the momentum? I wonder if some of you were even around on the UYI tour.

Drum solo!


The band has had solos in the past, but I guess some of you seem to glorify the past. Which I guess is normal.


The difference now is that they all get to play something, not just the lead guitar player. We have a certain person complaining about "ego problems" in the band, but as soon as the band members get to stand in the spotlight, it's a problem.

I just don't get it.

and not be afraid to express a different point of view, without worring that axl might get upset and not read your name out on stage again

 

If you only knew how much I worry about that....



If you still want to continue talking about the fucking setlist in every "update" thread on this tour, I suggest you and nesquick start a new thread in the Dead Horse section right away.



/jarmo

The difference was, Matt did a drum solo and Slash would do a solo and that would be it for the entire show. Not solo's, solo's and more solo's?

..and as much as i like Buckethead (and still do) Bucketheads solo slots during 2002 were nothing more than self promotion and not Gn'R related 

[codenameninja]

They need the solos so that poor *not as young as he was* Axl can take small breaks between various songs.

Cheeky sod - just you wait 'till you're past the first flush of youth.?

If Axl needs to take breaks then fair enough   

[Mutherfunker]

This whole solo thing is hilarious.

Don't people realise that during the UYI tour, solos made up an average of 15% of most shows, some more then 15%.

Even several shows from around 1988 had around 15% solos/jams (check out Phoenix '88 for example).

These figures don't include things like the bits of covers such as wild horses, which aren't songs, but I suppose they aren't solos either - these would increase the figure, (much like Bumblefoot's rendition of 'Don't Cry').

This year GNR have averaged about 19-20% solos/jams, including 'Beautiful', and 'Don't Cry' by Bumblefoot. In fact, if you don't count 'Don't Cry' which is a GN'R song anyway, that the crowd sing along to as if they were playing the song as a whole band, that figure drops to around 17%.

So... what the hell's all the whining about?

@#$%Funker

[WARose]

Lose the momentum? I wonder if some of you were even around on the UYI tour.

Drum solo!


The band has had solos in the past, but I guess some of you seem to glorify the past. Which I guess is normal.


The difference now is that they all get to play something, not just the lead guitar player. We have a certain person complaining about "ego problems" in the band, but as soon as the band members get to stand in the spotlight, it's a problem.

I just don't get it.

and not be afraid to express a different point of view, without worring that axl might get upset and not read your name out on stage again

 

If you only knew how much I worry about that....



If you still want to continue talking about the fucking setlist in every "update" thread on this tour, I suggest you and nesquick start a new thread in the Dead Horse section right away.



/jarmo

The difference was, Matt did a drum solo and Slash would do a solo and that would be it for the entire show. Not solo's, solo's and more solo's 

..and as much as i like Buckethead (and still do) Bucketheads solo slots during 2002 were nothing more than self promotion and not Gn'R related 

yeah....  but those two solos were as long as the 3 guitar solos they`re playing now.....  which basically can be considered as intros (along with dizzy`s piano solo...)

the solos they played in holland were combined like 20 minutes long.... and i really enjoyed them to be honest.

as it looks now, robin is doing one solo before sweet child o`mine, richard and robin are doing there duett before out ta get me, dizzy is doing his piano solo before the blues and bumblefoot is doing his don`t cry solo ...somewhere in the set...

that`s not too much imo...

[Mutherfunker]

And a couple of other things:

People talk about interupted momentum - you do realise that back in the day solos/jams by the old band sometimes exceeded 10 minutes?

In a two and a half hour show, the difference between 15% and 20% is only aout 7 minutes. If that's what you're moaning about - jeez.

@#$%Funker

[D]

I've been reading this thread and I dont get it.

Nesquick is a GNR fan, he has never been a hater or anything but yet when he comes on here and gives an honest review all of a sudden he is a whiner and people jump on his ass?

I didn't realize everything had to be PRO GNR and PRO Axl on this board. He went to the concert expecting a great show and he was disappointed.

He is being honest and I don't think he deserves to be ridiculed because of it.

I agree 1000 percent, I don't think the new GNR members have the stage presence or Charisma to carry a show on their own.

I know from watching boots, when Axl is singing and on stage it is great, when he leaves and u get these boring pointless solos, it sucks.

Whats wrong with being honest?

[ppbebe]

yea, while I'm a hater

boots don't do justice to live performances.
better not sit in judgement on new guys until you see them live for yourself.

[KillKurtzKids]

I disliked solo's back in the day, and now too. If they are needed for Axl to sound as good as he has, then so be it.

[nesquick]

I've been reading this thread and I dont get it.

Nesquick is a GNR fan, he has never been a hater or anything but yet when he comes on here and gives an honest review all of a sudden he is a whiner and people jump on his ass?

I didn't realize everything had to be PRO GNR and PRO Axl on this board. He went to the concert expecting a great show and he was disappointed.

He is being honest and I don't think he deserves to be ridiculed because of it.

I agree 1000 percent, I don't think the new GNR members have the stage presence or Charisma to carry a show on their own.

I know from watching boots, when Axl is singing and on stage it is great, when he leaves and u get these boring pointless solos, it sucks.

Whats wrong with being honest?

Thanks dude.
Some people just don't like honnesty... I will never change for those guys. I like to call a cat "a cat". I like to be honest indeed. I've been a GN'R fan since 1991....it's been a long, long time...

[requiem156]

Lose the momentum? I wonder if some of you were even around on the UYI tour.

Drum solo!


The band has had solos in the past, but I guess some of you seem to glorify the past. Which I guess is normal.


The difference now is that they all get to play something, not just the lead guitar player. We have a certain person complaining about "ego problems" in the band, but as soon as the band members get to stand in the spotlight, it's a problem.

I just don't get it.

and not be afraid to express a different point of view, without worring that axl might get upset and not read your name out on stage again

 

If you only knew how much I worry about that....



If you still want to continue talking about the fucking setlist in every "update" thread on this tour, I suggest you and nesquick start a new thread in the Dead Horse section right away.



/jarmo

The difference was, Matt did a drum solo and Slash would do a solo and that would be it for the entire show. Not solo's, solo's and more solo's?

..

Not sure what shows you went to, but when I saw them Slash had 2 solos - The Godfather Theme and the one at the end of Double Talkin Jive, which were both pretty lengthy. Then Matt's solo, complete with band jam a la the tokyo shows. Add in Gilby's Wild Horses spot, and Slash's random moment to play Imagine or Only Women Bleed to preface Patience, and you've got approximately the same thing that you are seeing at a GNR show now.