Las Vegas - Sep 16 update thread

[axlrosegnr]

Well, there were solos last night, but they were hardly long enough to even be considers "solos" they'd play a few notes then it'd be on to the next song, it's not like everytime there was a "solo" they went and played for 10 minutes.

[jarmo]

Nesquick is upset because there's three guitar players and it won't let them "shine". But then when they play individual solos that lets them shine, it's not a good thing.

Isn't it wonderful that not all bands are modelled after the same model Oasis is modelled from?

It'd be pretty boring if all bands were the same and all shows were the same kind of shows....




/jarmo

[nesquick]

Well, there were solos last night, but they were hardly long enough to even be considers "solos" they'd play a few notes then it'd be on to the next song, it's not like everytime there was a "solo" they went and played for 10 minutes.

Ok, so it was different because at the Paris show,? there was about 45 minutes of solos! 45 minutes. Maybe the band has finally taken the decision to cut the solos off and/or to make them shorter? if so, i'm happy, this is a good thing
Oh jarmo... it's not all about the 3 guitar players thing.... stop reducing my ideas to that...it's too easy to say that, it avoids you to think, I'm just honnest. as i said, we have to say what is positive and what is negative. It's called honnesty. and for god's sake, the jams:solos: bossa nova interludes have nothing to do with the 3 guitar players thing. It's another problem.

[younggunner]

that might be the best review ive ever read for this band. Glad some people are finally giving them some well deserved credit....

its funny how a "pro gnr" review is considered biased yet when a review bashes the band its "honesty" and the real deal.....

if u havnt seen the band go see them live. If they didnt impress you go home and follow another band. This band is a machine. And I can just feel the steam that this thing is building up. This band and album is gonan shake the genre up. Patience is a virtue and our time has come....soo n is the word

[nesquick]

its funny how a "pro gnr" review is considered biased yet when a review bashes the band its "honesty" and the real deal.....

That is completely wrong. That's not what I said. You take my words out of context and make a generalisation.?
I recall you, just in case, that I AM a newGNR fan. i went to their show. I paid for it. If not, I wouldn't have gone to the show, I wouldn't have been on this board for 3 or 4 years and i wouldn't have waited for ChiDem for 10 years...

if you wanna hear "Axl is God", "I cried", "Who is Slash?", "The best show of the Universe", "I though I died, i cried like a baby during all the show" etc... fine. But don't count on me to be in that kind of things. I'm 25. let's be serious. That's not the reality. and that's not the truth. That's beeing exessive and biaised. That's not analizing seriously the situation. and the most important, that's not beeing fair and honest with Axl and Co. I think they need the fans to tell them the truth. Both good and bad things. You wanna hear a good thing? in my opinion, the new songs are very good. they sounded very good in Paris. You see, it's not all about bad things, but when there are some, it's better to say they exist than to hide the truth.

[younggunner]

i wasnt talking about you. i was speaking in general terms.

[ppbebe]

Too much exageration... be carefull with some reviews you read from ultra mega die-hard fans.... they are biaised....sometimes they sound like Britney Spears 12 years old fans... "who is Slash?" "best show of the entire universe" "Axl is god" "I cried!".... come on...let's be serious.


I prefer to be fair and honnest than to be blind.

exageration is totally a wrong word, as you're not him, you don't know him and you weren't at the show he saw? None are so blind as those who will not see, you see.

Not that I'd agree on everything the review says (like, what he knows about botox!) but
The matter of the greatest importance here is that the damn show left this heavenly aftertaste to a fan, and perhaps he's not alone as he says..

I heard a bunch of bad shit from the music press.  I head some bad crap
from Europeans.  I heard he would be three hours late and do a half-assed
show. I almost didn't go, because I expected to be disappointed.  But .....
Holy Shit.   Just .... Holy Shit.

I talked with people in the crowd who had seen them 20+ times since the 80's
remarking that this was far and away, the best GNR show they had ever
seen. It was the best concert of any kind I have ever been witness to.
  I'm still speechless.

Some guys were there after the show who had seen them at Hammerstein in NYC
and they said "Manhattan has nothing on Las Vegas, the greatest shows are
always here.  This show was way better than Hammerstein."

[jimb0]

Nobody plays slash better than slash.   Finck plays it good but Robin doesn't come close.  He does his own thing

[Voodoochild]

if you wanna hear "Axl is God", "I cried", "Who is Slash?", "The best show of the Universe", "I though I died, i cried like a baby during all the show" etc... fine. But don't count on me to be in that kind of things. I'm 25. let's be serious. That's not the reality. and that's not the truth. That's beeing exessive and biaised.

Yeah. And say "it will NEVER be as good as when Slash was in the band" is not biased?

ALL REVIEWS are biased, period. It's just an opinion, not common sense, even if some claim to be.

This guy didn't lied about something that didn't happen in the show (like some journalists used to do). He just said that he loved what he heard/saw, he was being fair with what he felt. Also, like ppbebe showed, he also stated that he wasn't the only one with that opinion there.

[god of thunder]

WTF of course people here are biased !!! it is a GnR FAN board! Why can`t people be just happy that this guy had the best concert experience of his life? Now someone wrote an awesome review without complaining about guitar solos, Axl being late, no Slash at the Show, too few drum solos....and now people complain because people don`t complain!

Sometimes I begin to wonder......

[zakas80]

WTF of course people here are biased !!! it is a GnR FAN board! Why can`t people be just happy that this guy had the best concert experience of his life? Now someone wrote an awesome review without complaining about guitar solos, Axl being late, no Slash at the Show, too few drum solos....and now people complain because people don`t complain!

Sometimes I begin to wonder......

yeah seriously, i was thinking the same.

[jimmythegent]

its funny how a "pro gnr" review is considered biased yet when a review bashes the band its "honesty" and the real deal.....

That is completely wrong. That's not what I said. You take my words out of context and make a generalisation.?
I recall you, just in case, that I AM a newGNR fan. i went to their show. I paid for it. If not, I wouldn't have gone to the show, I wouldn't have been on this board for 3 or 4 years and i wouldn't have waited for ChiDem for 10 years...

if you wanna hear "Axl is God", "I cried", "Who is Slash?", "The best show of the Universe", "I though I died, i cried like a baby during all the show" etc... fine. But don't count on me to be in that kind of things. I'm 25. let's be serious. That's not the reality. and that's not the truth. That's beeing exessive and biaised. That's not analizing seriously the situation. and the most important, that's not beeing fair and honest with Axl and Co. I think they need the fans to tell them the truth. Both good and bad things. You wanna hear a good thing? in my opinion, the new songs are very good. they sounded very good in Paris. You see, it's not all about bad things, but when there are some, it's better to say they exist than to hide the truth.

good post nesquick? - I actually think youve made good points here and people are purposefully misconstruing

[D]

Im not a fan of the solos at all.

I think the solos show the new members deficiencies


Christina Aguilera is cool?Give  me a break.

[killingvector]

Nesquicks words mean very little to me.

I read the reviews and make judgements according to the source and quality of information.

[Tyson]

Where are the fucking media reviews?? 

[dk]

Wow what a show.

There's probably many in depth reviews of this show so I'll just share things that stood out to me.

GNR actually came on before they were expected. 

Axl was in a great mood until the TD at the end.

Other than not singing a verse in PC, Axl was on!  At times, his voice was drowned out by the crowd singing or the Mic volume, but overall Axl and all of GNR kicked ass.

He mentioned something about McCartney's son? saying it was cool that his dad made a cover of a GNR song and Paul had to tell him it was HIS song (LALD).   

Overall a great show, can't wait for SF.

[Crazyman]

Wow what a show.

There's probably many in depth reviews of this show so I'll just share things that stood out to me.

GNR actually came on before they were expected. 

Axl was in a great mood until the TD at the end.

Other than not singing a verse in PC, Axl was on!  At times, his voice was drowned out by the crowd singing or the Mic volume, but overall Axl and all of GNR kicked ass.

He mentioned something about McCartney's son? saying it was cool that his dad made a cover of a GNR song and Paul had to tell him it was HIS song (LALD).   

Overall a great show, can't wait for SF.

That pretty much sums it up...I remember he said something during KOHD that I don't remember...

Great show, I'll write my own review after I get some sleep. (Just got back from Vegas...)

[cyllan]

If GN'R had played 20 songs in a row, like Oasis did, yes it would have been a better show. But they did not. I don't know Jarmo, but maybe, you know maybe there was a problem at the Paris show. Because I have the feeling EVERYBODY who went to the Paris show was really bored by the solos. read the reviews of the Paris show on this board.

Maybe I went to the wrong show? i don't "regret it", but I expected something different, more exiting, less boring, ?people were so bored and exausted by all the solos every 10 minutes (really, every 10 minutes the band stopped the show that night! can you believe it?) that Bumblefoot was booed. First time in my life I heard a main act beeing booed. I never saw that before, at any concert. My friend left before the end of the show. people around us left aswell... and not only for the metro. Jarmo this is the fucking truth dude: people were bored. I'm sorry, but this is what happened...

Not wishing to negate the validity of your feelings, Nesquick, but just for the record and maybe to redress the balance a little, I attended the Paris show too and can honestly say that I wasn't bored by any aspect of the band's performance. ?The only exhaustion I felt came at the end of the evening after immersing myself totally in a magnificent live GNR experience. ?I've attended 14 GNR shows this year and would jump at the chance of watching them another 14 times before the year is out too. ?In fact, I felt gutted on Saturday night to know that they were playing somewhere on this planet and that I was unable to attend. ?Yeah, I know that probably sounds greedy to those of you who haven't had the thrill of seeing them yet, but that's just the way I feel and I'm not about to start apologising for it.

Nesquick, I do sympathise with you that your expectations weren't met by the show in Paris and that you appear to have left feeling very disappointed. ?I have to say that my feelings in 2006 are a far cry from how I felt after seeing the band in 2002. ?Partly I believe that to be because today's band is a great step up from the performances I witnessed in 2002, but I also have to accept that I was in a better mental and emotional place when seeing the band this year. ?Axl's recent radio interview had him expressing his enjoyment at the jams the band play during the shows and so if this truly is a problem for you, I don't think that you're going to enjoy any of the forthcoming shows. ?Having said that, I hope that when, all things being well, they return to Europe in 2007, you take the opportunity to attend another show and who knows, maybe the next time it'll be a whole new experience for you. ?

[nesquick]

I just want less solos. That's all about it. When they played the songs, they were very good. But the truth is that they stopped the show every 10 minutes with all those solos. It was annoying. Don't forget Bumblefoot was booed, he was booed because people were bored. It was like they didn"t want to play that night a full show all together as a band from the 1st minute to the last one. I don't know where you were, but after Paradise City at the end of the show, There was nobody on my left anymore: they all left and go home way before the end of the show. My friend left after November Rain... he has to work the following day and he was also very, very bored.

I didn't expect that. I was like "ok this is my 1st GN'R show, I'm exited!". But the lonnnng solos were a massacre.

They matched my expectation as individual players (exept Bumblefoot). yes, Axl impressed me very much and Fortus blew me away. Yes, Robin convinced me. and yes I enjoyed the pyro.

But as a "whole show", I mean the organisation of the show, the Paris one was catastrophy. I though Axl was ill or something at some point. i was like "What the hell is happening tonight? they don't want to play this show? Why they stop playing every 10 minutes?"

[jarmo]

This is what a Rock n' Roll show is about.

I thought rock n' roll was about doing whatever the fuck you want to and not caring what somebody thinks you should be doing at your live shows....

I really suggest you take your "discussion" to the Dead Horse section instead of polluting multiple threads in the GN'R section with the same fucking whining week after week. 



/jarmo