Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Do you think they will record and release a new album? I sure hope the Sorum/Weiland feud doesn't ruin the band.

of course they will.  They're under contract to make 3. You gotta figure they will at least make one more.  They seem really excited about going back in the studio and record as a band now.  After spending more time together and growing as a band. And the second record can be a lot less safe, im sure that has them excited too. A band can't be contrived that is why most good bands take a few years and album and demo releases before they release a successful record.

Yes, and it's gonna be better than Contraband.

Well, it has to be since next time they can't sell albums by being the "new supergroup".





/jarmo

They will make an album unless Scott gets busted again or something very bizarre happens.  And, like Jarmo said, it will probably be better than Contraband, which btw is a great album, but could be better.  I think they'll expand a little more on some of their songs, not necessarily making ballads, but going deeper like in Coma or something.  And I think there will be more creativity and looseness since the band has now been touring for six months, so we will see something slightly different and probably better.  Btw, I would love to see Izzy write some songs.

I say get Izzy to join the band!

It'll be interesting to see how a second album is received, don't think the lack of "new supergroup"
tag will effect quality though... :yes:

No, but they need to sell the album by having good songs on it, not just with help from all the hype they got as "rock's latest supergroup".  :P




/jarmo

They better release a new another album! I hope this thing goes on forever. But seriously, I think the next should be even greater for pretty much a the reasons stated above. I hope they choose their singles a little more wisely next time though.

but every song on Contraband is good.  but I still think they can do even better next time

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yeah, like they did last time.  You cynical old fool.

That's your opinion.

I don't agree with the people who gave the album 8, 9 or even 10 out of 10.....





/jarmo

I am really looking forward to hearing the new material even though its a long way but you know Duff did say they had already had some stuff written which is cool

I, myself am looking forward to hearing the new stuff they hopefully make.

I think they will bring a second album out, though, because they are doing so well for themselves, heh. =p

They have a three record deal, I doubt the little hissy fits with the groupies and the political views will do anything, to a point both had a fair argumetn..

After reading the EW article where they went from city to city it reassured me all was well, you are taking idfferent people and they are basically living together all the time, so fits, tifs and all that shit is expected, just as long as they're all business when they hit the stage..
"that's our grandpa lead singer" :hihi:

ANy band can breakup at anytime, you just need to know how to solve problems and move on.. : ok:

I think they will make 3 records... however im not sure they will do more after that, who knows. Contraband was a pretty fucking good rock cd, ofcourse they can do better and yes not all the songs where good but pretty much it rocked from start to end.

They all keep saying they are in it for the long haul so Hopefully they'll make a helluva lot more albums. Only thing I can see derailing them is Scott but I think he finally has his shit together.

I don't see any reason for them not to release a second album at this point. Sure, something could happen and it could change but I'm not going to worry over that.

I also think the next album will be better. They will have had much more time to gel as a band. Contraband was good, especially considering they weren't together as a band a very long time, but they didn't have enough time to truly gel. By time the next album comes around they will know each others capabilities and limits better. They will be able to feed off of each other more and be able to push each other to their limits. They will have also been through a bunch of stuff together which adds to the chemistry.

i disagree with jamo that album is a masterpiece every song is good great guitar, great vocals they got it all amazing live i give the album a 10/10 best album to come out in a long while

If they duplicated this album I would be extremly happy, they just aren't selling as much as possible because of their age not to mention  they never just get credit or interviews as vr, everything else is thrown in to lessen the music..

It's like people expected a duplicated of their works with gnr/stp//

There's not ONE song I skip on this album, there are obviously some I like better then others but I think this album is great.. LOts of energy adn it's just a rocking album..

yea contraband is good, compared to nickleback...

i hope they do come out with another album, i think it would be pretty sad if they couldn't do better then contraband...but i don't think you will see anything like coma - at all. that's axl.  :smoking:

contraband is cool, not the the album i enjoy the most, but that's personal. i am actually quite anxious to see the bands direction... it's always cool to see how they'll turn out.
and by the 2nd cd i hope they won't be labelled as the Supergroug or Ex-gnr's band...
they gotta move foward.

i think the 2nd album will be about like the first

slash admits he doesnt like to work that hard and is lazy, so i think they will quickly record another rock record bout like contraband

im not sure scott has the ability to be "deep" at least not like axl so i dont think they will go the deeper/epic route

they will stay a rock band and release bout the same quality of stuff.

I'm sorry???  Lazy??? Slash??? LOL.  Now that's funny.  Slash is one of the least lazy people in music today!!!

 ??? ??? ???

You going to back this up?

Again, care to explain what makes one "deeper" than the other?  Id also like to point out that epic and deep are hardly synonymous...

Scott will determine how great their next record will be. Now that he's gotten to know the guys he should feel a connection and with patience they he can write deeper lyrics like he did in STP! And YES Scott is DEEP! you must've never heard of a band called Stone Temple Pilots!

And Slash is the most hardworking guitarist you'll ever see! That is the one thing everyone says about him! how when it comes to recording he's in the studio everyday for the longest hours playing the guitar! Even after having kids!

Half of Contraband I love, the other half I'd consider good, but not great.

I'm looking for Scott to create some great lyrics like Still Remains, I Got You, or Sour Girl.

Sucker Train Blues I just absolutely love, hope it's the next single.

And I can't wait for them to start work on a second album. I bet it's about before Chinese Democracy! haha well I hope that's not true.

Either way Scott falls short of Axl

According to you (I assume you think Finck falls short of Slash, right?)

And Im not sure Scott being compared to Axl has much relevance to how good VRs follow-up to Comtraband will be.

SLash is one of the greatest guitarists that has ever lived

I will second that... ;D I honestly don't know enough about finck to give a fair review, I think he has strong moments and sloppy.. Those are old shows though ,the material was semi new, so I'll wait until they come around again to give the fair review..

Agreed completely...

However, I know you believe that the new GNR can still make a great record with Finck. ?So do I. ?However, when it comes to Scott, I can look to the greatness of STPs records, in addition to his work with VR, and be reminded of what hes capable of. ?And at his best, I honestly believe hes right up there with the greats. ?And I think, at this moment, hes the best around. ?Obviously, you dont, but I dont see what that has to do with VR making a better record, or Scott himself giving a better performance...just seems you wanted to remind yourself, once again, thats Axls the best and VRs frontman isnt as good. ?

With FInck and the rest of the band for that matter we have to wait and see. Except really for Bucket and Tommy the bandmembers havtn been in huge bands where we can judge their work.

I owuld think they are pretty dam good if a guy named Axl ROse is their frontman.

I was a STP fan long before I new about GNR. His work with STP is great. But just because his work with STP was great and what hes doing with VR doesnt put him on that elite level. Scott is hands down an entertaining and talented frontman. No argument here. I put him more on the second tier than on the 1st. Not that it matters but I never see Scott put next to the greats on any Magazine rankings.
But that doesnt mean he sux cause he doesnt.

When I made that comment it had nothing to do with VRs follow ups. "D" made a statement about how Scott doesnt have the ability to write deep/epic songs compared to Axl.
And I beleive that statement is true.

your half right. Yes, Axl is the best, but no Scott isnt bad either. Hes just not Axl.

Again I like Scott a lot. I truly, truly do. But I wasnt overly impressed with what he did with CB. And thats not because I wanna put VR down and make it a gnr/vr thing. Im not about that. Its fukin music.  Im basing it on Scotts past work and potential. And his lyrics didnt do it for me. Im not saying every song has to be well thought out or masterpieces but I dont need to hear about Drugs every other second either. But who cares what I think...If you enjoy it  :beer:

Its more of a buildup of the gnr internet atmosphere where my band has been looked over with a microscope by peopel and when the same things come up for another band its a different ballgame.

 :o


Well, by that logic Axls GNR work would have the same effect on his new work...but I digress  :-X


No, because one of the great crimes of rock of the last 12 years is the lack of appreciation (and flat-out discrediting) of STP and Weiland in particular. 

As for those lists, youre right.  But check out Slashs position in RSs top 100 guitarists.  Or "Estranged"s awesomely bad achievement.  Yeah, sometimes these lists do get it right, but you know as well as I that more often than not, theyre wrong.  And the negativity and disrespect for Weiland is a prime example of that, in my opinion.
But that doesnt mean he sux cause he doesnt.


Okay (although its largely irrelevant to the topic).


But its really not the same thing...the circumstances and, like you said, atmosphere surrounding VR are completely different.  And, I think this goes without saying, way more positive.

Axl has locked him self away in the elite category with his old gnr work. Weiland was neevr considered "elite" while with STP.
Axl can obiviously take away some of that greatness if he puts out a horrible album or add to the legacy if CD is great. Point is he was already at the top before CD.

I agree they dont get enough credit but they arent a huge band. They are a great band but not an impact type band. So I wouldnt call it a crime but i agree to a point....

Agreed but cmon you cant tell me Weiland is on that elite level


Im not talking about the vibe of the bands,gnr/vr but the vibe of the peopel on these boards.

It seems youre talking about public perception more than actual music...Scott has been very consistent, and was arguably at the top of his game on STPs last album.  Your arguement is based on a simple principle: Ones past greatness doesnt guarantee their future greatness.  Therefore, their "elite" status is irrelevant.  Theres actually a lot more evidence to suggest that Scott "still has it" than there is for Axl.


 ???

One of the best-selling bands of the 90s...


Thats exactly what Im saying.



One creates the other...

You failed to quote what I said right after that. "They werent an impact type  band"

I can name you a million bands and artsist taht have done well in the sales department. That doesnt mean they are great. And im not saying STP wasnt great. They were very good but they werent the impact type band.

Your starting a band. WHo are you taking Axl or Scott?

Unfortunately and if i may say this....there was one side that started it..as babyish as that sounds. The gnr/axl haters were here long before the vr haters...

even if Scott is only the 20th alltime best front man ever that is still an amazing feat and I think the VR documentary proved that. so forget about Axl....for all we know he could be dead

I doubt there would be many Axl haters if he had finished that tour and it hadn't been 11 years since the last GNR release(regardless of what spin is put on new band/old band, new players it has still been 11 years since Axl's GNR has released new material.) It is that type of thing that breeds contempt among fans. But that is neither here nor there.

You said "huge." ?What would huge mean if not for record sales/popularity? ?I also dont get the "impact" thing, and how it pertains to their musical output.


Thats irrelevant to my point. ?Id probably take Axl over anybody - Mick Jagger, Robert Plant, etc. - that doesnt make him the only "elite" frontman out there. ?Theres many that are similarly good, and I believe Scott is one of them. ?

Im also not sure about your question...The "new" Axl isnt exactly the same Axl I consider the greatest frontman of all-time. ?So right now, I think Scott and Axl are pretty even overall, and Scotts done more to prove his current greatness, in my eyes, than Axl has. ?So I dont know who Id take...but its that close.

Unfortunately and if i may say this....there was one side that started it..as babyish as that sounds. The gnr/axl haters were here long before the vr haters...

You misunderstood...

I mean the tone of the band creates the tone of the fanbase. ?The positivity surrounding VR has permeates through their fans...and the opposite goes for GNR.

in the new guitar legends magazine slash admits he is lazy and needs someone to push him

u can read it in black and white yourself

so i think he will stick with the blues riff rock stuff he does now which isnt a bad thing by any means

i mean contraband is a classic cd ill be listening to in 10 years, so i wasnt dissing slash or the 2nd record if it were like contraband, ill be more than happy if its the same vein as contraband

if u think they are gonna do orchestras and keyboards and big epic ballads though i think u are wrong since that basically led to the demise of GNR and i cant see scott doin that.


by the way i love axl but no one should ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever mention robin finck in the same breath or sentence as SLash, Robin Finck is like a special olympian tryin to guard micheal jordan, i mean cmon!!

it still doesn't make sense because all I've ever heard was how dedicated Slash is to playing the guitar

here are slash's exact words


i like being excited, which is why i have so much trouble when we have time off.  when i get up in the morning, i need to have something to look forward to.  Im not very self-motivated; im not of those guys that can get up and say, "im going to write a great song today." but if someone focuses me on something ill work my ass off.  but usually someone or something has to provide the impetus.  I can be the laziest fucker in the world when there is nothing to focus on.  I'll just watch TV and feel sorry for myself.

He needs a kick in the ass to initially get going then he probably gets right into it.. We all need a little motivation to get started but once we get going we are in it 100%..

What I can extrapolate from this quote is that Slash can be lazy when hes not focused on music.  When he says "time off," he means when hes not making music.  Obviously, while working on VRs follow-up, hell be focused on something, therefore the laziness he speaks of is not really applicable. 

Anybody who follows Slashs career passingly knows that hes actually the opposite of lazy.  The guys probably done more work than any GNR member, past or present. 

yeah i may have misinterpreted what he was tryin to say anyhow i find the velvet revolver music as good if not better than a lot of the GNR stuff so the 2nd record really has me excited!

How can STP be huge or popular if they didnt hit big in Europe? Like I said, they were a very good band but they werent GNR,NIrvana,Metallica,Stones,etc.

STP music did not have an impact on the world. Weiland is not on that elite level like is.

Of course there are many good to excellent frontman but not elite. imo Scott is in the second tier.

Yea Scott is active right now. But Ill be willing ot bet the lyrical content and Vocals on Cd will blow Scott away. If you wanna crown Scott because hes active go ahead but when its all said and done hes not going to make the 2nd round of the fight.

There are plenty of positive gnr fans around. What im saying is that we have these haters/doubters or whatver you wanna call them that put gnr under a micrsope and analyze the fuk out of them. If you dont liek it simply leave. As a result the gnr fan is accustomed to this type of analysis so they know nothing other than to apply the same rules to vr.

Scott is not even close to being on the same level as scott. In stp or vr scott has never writtten a song as good as estranged, nov rain, coma, civil war or wttj.? You take scotts 5 best songs and axls and scott pales in comparison.

AS for finck vs slash.? A lot of people have done guitar work for the new album, finck, may, fortus, huge and bh.? Finck wrote the blues and its a great song musically.? Finck is a great guitarist, it may not be as good as slash but most guitarist are not, it doesnt mean they still cant write a kick ass guitar solo or song.? That is the problem with slash fans, they think without slash the music is going to suck well every band in the world cept for vr and doesnt have slash and they can come up with good riffs and solos.

CD is going to be an amazing album and with fortus, finck and bh (if he parts stick) the gutiar work could surpass anything on afd or the uyis.

The guitar work on VR is not that special and it has a lot of AFD riff rip offs.? IMO the blues solo and madagascar solo is better than most of the stuff on contraband.

Dave how's life in that world you live in..? When I hear fortus n finck I automatically think greatness.. ::) Be a littl realistic, you hear the blues and maddy and try to convince that B material is some of the best work to date in gnr..
I love how you automatically have surpassing the illusions and afd in guitar work.. Based on those crappy boots??

I'll take contraband anyday over that average work.. Oh I know he gave you the fillers first ,so he could save the better music for later :hihi:

SIlkworms stinks
rhiad, sounds like a third rate plant on that whale..
oh my god is terrible
cd is ok
maddy sounds like a theme to a church song
blues is recycled trilogy..

First off you are basing these songs on live performances not studio, so you really don?t know what they are going to sound like on the album.  The point is, CD is going to have 3 guitars on most of the songs and that is going to give you a wall of sound, and the guitars are going to sound very thick. 

Its funny you called the blues recycled trilogy, why is that? The guitar work on that song don?t sound like any riffs or solos did before but you can here that scom riff (a rip off of it) in one of contrabands songs.

The riffs in CD are better than any riff on contraband, and like I said the blues and Madagascar solo are better than pretty much everything on contraband, as for Riyadh and silkworms, people have said those are not even making the album, but the guitar work on Riyadh is insane, and the people that hear silkworms live said its very complex.

As for oh my god most gnr fans on these boards love that song and think its great. Remember that poll this board took and 70% of the fans liked it?  Its been done on other boards to and the same result.  Oh my god is a great song, you just hate it because slash is not on it, but the song is great. 

You cannot base the music part of the new songs on some crappy mp3s that you have heard.  Just listen to how much fuller madagadascar, the blues and cd sound on those short studio clips from that Boston tour ad.

Id put the blues and Madagascar right up there with the best of gnrs old stuff. The blues and Madagascar are better than a lot of the old stuff.

Because theyre an American band, who were based in America, and European success is secondary to say the very least. ?


Well once again, I point out that "impact" doesnt have much bearing on "greatness." ?


Now youre just mincing words. ?As for Scotts "tier," I disagree. ?




I knew there was a reason this struck me as disingenuous.

Im not "crowning" Scott, and if I were, its would be based on his current performances and Axls 2002 performances, not Axls inactivity.


I repeat...the band helps create the tone. ?Would the "haters" be whining about waiting 14 years for a new record if, I dont know, Axl put out a new record? ?I personally doubt it. ?So its not the same thing as "VR-bashing."


So you, and others like you, dont want to practice this? ?Out of spite?


See above - its not the same rules until GNR actually has some music.

I wont even bother with Daves post...As 2005 looms, Im really starting to feel sorry for the guy. ?Hang in there, buddy. ?:'(

No way the riffs on those boots are better then contraband, nothing sticks in my mind witht eh boots, contraband has some catchy riffs.. ?That album is filled with energetic music, it has variety in a rock way, not liket ehillusions of course, but variety in a afd type of.. Now I didn't say as good as afd, just the style of the music, hard rockers, ballads, etc.

This is odd, you'll tell me not to form opinions off of live perfromances, yet you have formed an opinion on how amazing things will be just off those same boots.

I said it was recycled because it has the feel of those songs but just weaker, like axl tried to take a mastepiece but came out with a weak version of his bigger songs with pianos..


I feel it's wekae rthen most, I would put it towards the bottom of the list.. Axl and his keyboards n pianos just have that been there done that feeling, you can't have gems like estranged and nr each time out..

I never said I don't like all the songs, I just am not going to say this is a masterpiece or gnr's best work from any year, I think that's just someone starved for material trying to convince themselves that stuff is better then it is.

It's your opinion though, and it's your feeling so enjoy.. I'll just wait for the new stuff, I can't talk about those old songs anymore..
It's like people are clutching on to them, I see no need to, I want the better music..

Booker thank god you won't bother with my posts, but you know that I am right with what I have said.
Also, this album not ?being out yet does not even effect me. Like I said there is some great music out there (get the new green day ablum), and CD will come out when it does. But when it does people like you won't have your little wise cracks anymore and then you will just go to your next bit with how CD is not as good as the old stuff and its not as good with out slash. I am sure ?you already have your stuff written down before even hearing the album.

The only people that this album not being out yet its not the people who want it, its the people who pray it never comes out so they can keep bashing axl for taking so long.

Mike I never based my opinions on how the guitar work will be on CD based on the bootes, didnt you read my post? I said I bashed them off having three guitar players and the talent that has worked on this album. 

You say the blues is weaker than the old gnr ballads? well its stronger than the VR ballads, so what does that say about the VR ballads? The blues and madagascar are both better than dont cry and patience IMO, so maybe in YOUR opinion they are weaker but not in everyones eyes. On other music forum i post, i gave some people the new songs and a few of them claimed madagascar is one of the  best gnr songs ever. So again its just  your opinion they are weaker.

Also if you believe what axl said, the songs they have played live are not even the big guns. Dont forget we still have not heard this I love, TWAT and euogly of a broken heart. The people that have heard them (vh1 boards back in 2002) said they were amazing. 

Dave if cd is awesome I will say cd is awesome, but if it sn't awesome will you say it isn't? I can sit here and be honest and tell you songs off contraband are not as good as other on there, I just can't stand when people just keep going on and on about invisible music and this will be an epic album and this n that when they haven't heard one song..

As for being a little harsh on axl, it's not because I have some personal hate for the man, it's out of disgust for the lack of music and the tons of excuses people here make for the guy.. I mean be a man and say it sucks the dude takes forever..

I can say vr took some time from 2003, but at least you were kept informed that tehy were trying to find a singer and then kept getting info after, the gnr camp makes people angry because it's never anything positive, it's an album ,not the cure for cancer keep the fans informed..
Bottom line if cd rocks I will say it does, if I don't like a song I will say it.. I am just so tired of the scott vs axl shit.. They are two different people, some people outside of these forums hate axl n love scott, same goes the other way ,it's all personal feeling n opinions, either way no one is going to change anyones mind..

I have already stated id be the first person to bash axl for taking soo long if CD sucks. 

I've done the same witht eh bblues mp3, I took the one witht eh echo and got opinions on a forum that wasn't centered around music.. I've been to howard stern's webiste and had a few hundred replies before it closed, every one was micxed, some love new gnr, some hate them ,some hated axl, some like=d vr, some thought it was stupid, some thing scott is a fag..  Everyone has an opinion..

As for the ballads vs the two groups.. It's just what you like.. Songs like lvoing the alien, you got no right, fall to pieces to me are ral cool ,I enjoyt ehm, plus tehy are very different ehn the other two (blues n maddy)

You like what you like and that's it..

Yeah, it would only be important IF they had been popular over here. ?:hihi:

VR are based in America too, yet they're gonna play five shows in London next month. I guess they're doing it so they can be popular in the States..... ?;)


The Stones, GN'R, Metallica, U2, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana etc have all one thing in common, they are/were popular worldwide. STP wasn't. They're not the big rock band some of you seem to think.



/jarmo

Gnr was an American band based in America. If you want to be ignorant and not take Europe into consideration thats your problem.
Answer me this question. Did STP get nearly as big as GNR yes or no. Gnr hit it big. Thats getting to elite legendary status.
I can name u a million bands that hit it big in the states but not in Europe. Guess what they are descent rock bands or if you think there great fine, but they are not considered elite.

So because I dont think Scott is on Axls level that means Im knocking him?

They wanna whine about the delays go ahead. But when I have to hear about the band is ntohing but aliens with braids and all that other garbage it gets annoying. When I have to hear how they are trying ot be somthing they are not over and over again, it gets annoying.

to best articulate my point go listen to Axls rant in 1992 at the Chicago show right after civil war. That whole rant and what Axl says represents the people that lurk here.

Ok, so what do the dam songs/album have to sound liek for it not be recycled? What does the band have to put out in order for you not to say its recycled, th eband is trying to be somthing theyre not, or Axl tried to create a masterpiece and missed?

Were you in the studio whent hey were making the blues? Did Axl say this was a masterpiece song? Its a fukin ballad dude. A regular rock n roll ballad. Like dont cry etc. Not an epic. Just like FTP and YGNR... BALLADS NOT EPICS.
or maybe they ar egood fukin tunes. If they werent good they would have been out of my cd player yrs agi. I lsiten to the new gnr songs day in and day out. There was like one 1 month strecth where i didnt listen to new gnr. Other than that I have been listening to it for the past 4 going on 5 yrs now. Trust me if they sucked they would have been gone.
Theres a difference between me n you I gues. You have your arms crossed shaking your head and Im rocking out becausae the songs flat out rock.
The opening riff to CD is great. Its so slimy and grungy yet on that clip it sounds so clean. Gets me giddy all the time....

Everyone has their likes n dislikes, I just have no great interest for the newer songs I've heard, I can't help it.. I do have the songs on my pc, I play them every once and a while and I just can't get into it.. RHiad, silkworms & oh my god to me are just not something I can listen to..

Out of all the new songs if I had to pick my two favorite it would be maddy n cd..

Remember dude they're in YOUR cd player because YOU like them ,I just don't feel the same way.. I said I can't understand the masterpiece level people putt hem in, and the better of alot of gnr tunes .,To ME that makes no sence, I like alot of songs, but very very few are masterpieces,,

Either way I don't want to argue, I just hate the scott vs axl stuff.. I'm just happy scott is outt here playing his ass off, that's about it..

As for the blues it just reminded ME of certain old gnr tunes, it's not weird to take new material from gnr and posibly compare it to some of the older stuff then rate it..

Does being big in only some coutries mean that?? I mean I hear robbie williams is huge, yet he never is heard of here, oasis I hear is massive, but they had their very brief two song stint in the states in the usa around 96..

STP's debut core sold like hotcakes, platinum nine times, they were very big here, they don't have lgenerdry fame like the others mentioned but they had big fame in their native land..

They're famous, just not worldwide.. They were in the big groups during the seatle movement

Bingo...and when I dont liek songs from groups I dont go to their fans sites and say you know what it sux or I cant get into it. Im pretty sure fans of bands could careless of what I thnk.

I never said they were masterpieces. Except maybe maddy. They are great rock songs. Plus you are comparing sonsg taht wont even be singles to masterpieces. Thats like me taking dirty little thing and comparing it with wttj or something.

Absolutely not. And Ill be doing the same thing when CD comes out. Its only normal to see where the new material stands in regard to the old.
But when you compare I have a funny feeling your 2 answers will be...A} the new songs sound too much like the old and or 2} the new songs are nothing like old gnr and do not represent old gnr....

SO in reality gnr will nbever win with people like you. I could careless as long as I and the fans like it...its all gravy...

Thats why they will never be an elite group.  : ok:
They were big but not as big as your making them out to be. They didnt blow up like gnr did here in the state let alone the world. They are a great rock band but they are not in the elite section....

Exactly. STP are to you what Robbie Williams and Oasis are over here. Huge bands, but not globally huge bands. GN'R were huge all over the globe!

They sold out stadiums in North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia.... STP never did, so you can try to make it seem like they were this huge rock band all you want, the fact still is, they were not.



/jarmo

But you will still find a way to argue in this section :D I am a gnr fan, I have been since day one, I just am not crazy about the new material, never said it's the worst ever, just not the better of the gnr catalog..


If the new songs sound alot like the old I would be very happy being I really like the old stuff.. Of course I feel there is a certain standard that gnr fans have come to lvoe when it comes to music.. You can't be gnr and be a rock group with influences like aerosmith, hanoi rock ,zepplin or whoever else then bust out a record because you decided NIN's and Korn is your new insperation..

When kiss busted out with a diso tune/album do you think their hard core fans just loved it?

When a ?group is known for certain music you have to keep it in certain boundries to keep your current fans interested.. No matter how big a bnad gets they always keep tehir concerts filled with their bread n butter old tunes because that's what people want..

Its always secondary.


In America, they were. ?And at the risk of sounding arrogant, that matters more than their success in Europe. ?Of course, it wouldve been great if they were bigger outside of the US, but its always secondary, and youll never see me imply otherwise.


No. ?But STP was still one of the best-selling bands of the 90s, and I dont recall claiming they were "legendary, elite." ?The reasons being 1. Its irrelevant to the original discussion and 2. They were critically loathed, which like I said, is a shame.



When you start out saying "Im not about makin this a VR/GNR thing, its fuckin music" and follow it with "But Ill be willing ot bet the lyrical content and Vocals on Cd will blow Scott away. If you wanna crown Scott because hes active go ahead but when its all said and done hes not going to make the 2nd round of the fight," youre clearly contradictory and disingenuous.

Maddy,CD and the blues are NIN/Korn ripoffs? OMG/sw/and rhiad ripoffs? Or you just dont liek it because its not AFD? GNr whether it was with the old guys or new guys were not going to go back to AFD style. Even if the old guys stayed the sound of gnr would have moved foward...

those are for the bands that have no balls and who have not made any good new music and must resort to their classics.

Says who? Booker? Get off your high horse dude

Again, They have their place in rock history but they are not in the elite level. In order to be in the elite level you have to be regarded as a global band not just making it big in america or england.

no, because im not bashing vr/scott for what they are. They are what they are. Scott is what he is. But when some1 says he is on the same level of Axl I have to bring him back to the real world...

Its common sense.


Right...so your first post was disingenuous.  Dont say youre not making it a Scott/VR thing and then say "Axl will blow him away, he wont even make it to the fight."  Its contradictory.

As a guy whos basing conclusions on speculation, and imagination, youre hardly bringing anybody to the real world.  I didnt say Scott was more famous, or sold more records than Axl.  But at the present time, I think hes just as good a performer. 

No one said they were rip offs of korn or nin, I do hear the indus sound though in some songs.. You mentioned me saying they might sound like the old songs and that would bother me, and I said I wouldn't mind that because I like the old stuff.. I just keep hearing how axl needs to progress and advance, which to a point worries me because based on some of those songs I see him moving away from the rock influences he had before..
To me songs like silkworms and oh my god drift away from guns and not for the better..

It doesn't matter anyways, when the album comes out then we'll see what is there.

I wonder where one can advance from such a diverse album as the illusions..

Just mix afd with the illusions and you can never go wrong.

Which on is it?

I hear punk,elton john and a lot of other things in old gnr sound. DOes that mean they were ripping off?

gnr never played by the rules or concerned themselves with the safe way to go. They have and always will play th emusic they wanna play. Whether you can handle other influence soutside of the stones,punk,acdc etc is up to you. But just because there will be elements of other style sof music doesnt mean its that type of music. Why cant gnr mix other kinds of music into their sound just like they did with afd and the illusions? Why always stick with 1 formula.

what Sorum/ Weiland feud? this is news to me. Kick Matt Sorum the fuck out.

god you're thick ,I never said they ripped nyone off


I said how I liked the old stuff in reply to the way you said I would respond.. Option (A) I said I liked gnr because of who their music was influenced by, they kept it pure rock n roll, so I was saying since they have n established fan base n music it would suck if he decided to have  music influenced by these lesser rap rock, industrial bands...

You know aersomith is blues based  rock, if they started singing/sounding like nin's the fan base wouldn't be so pleased..

Everytime you evolve or advance doesn't mean you're doing something better, you could be messing up, something I think axl might have felt being he changed songs he had already done..

then what does
mean?

No kidding but that doesnt mean its bad either. GNR evolved/advanced from AFD to the Illusions. Were you saying anything then?

???...changed songs? What the hell are you talking baout? What new gnr songs have changed drastically? Althought they tweaked a few things here and there, there were no drastic changes in the songs.

WHAT SORUM/ WEILAND FEUD?

the last couple of posts in this thread are just said. funny as hell but sad at the same time

I hope Sorum is more involved writing the next album.  Sorum wrote much of Set Me Free, which is really a good song. He knows how to write something thats modern without sounding like Industrial/Nu Metal. Many others dont.

I have listened to Contraband almost everyday since it has been released.  Definately a solid debut album.  I think their next album will be even better.  Wouldn't it be great if they took 6 years to release their next album?  A lot of people on this board prefer Rock N' Roll that never surfaces.   

guess this answers the topic's question

Velvet Revolver's power ballad, "Fall to Pieces," a nod to Weiland's struggles, is No. 1 on Billboard's rock singles chart, but the band will leave its home success behind in January for a tour of Japan and Australia and return for U.S. arena dates in March. McKagan says all of the members are prolific writers, and with a multi-album deal in its pocket, the band already is working on another release.

 : ok:

Although, theyve been working on new material in some fashion for a few months now.  I just wonder how far along they are...Any way you look at it, its good to hear.

As you said and I agree regardless it's all good.. I mean it must be tough to focus alot on writing because they are very busy,(constant touring) been since may.. Maybe they have some beats/riffs written from the long time tehy waited for a singer, and just have to add lyrics together..?

Either way it's cool that even so little after their first release they are already working on a second..

We should start taking bets on whether VR's next album will come out before Chinese Democracy...

As much as I like being silly, I will pass on this one.. I really hope that it doesn't happen..

I'll bet a million dollars their will be another VR album.  Ther are too good and have had to much success.  I also bet the next VR album will come out before CD.  Why?  Cause their isn't going to be a CD.......

I'm sure they will, anyways I really hope so...........

VR may have their next album out before GNR releases CD.

Hey, I love both bands. Wish Axl would stop farting around.

I really wish that music would go back to like it was in the 60's where the beatles released an album every 6 months

Ah don't we all :D