Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Lisa Reed wrote these words to the original Dizzy Reed message board with regards to the recent leak;

I just don't understand it. If people claim to love the band and Axl so much why on earth would you do something you know will piss them off? Especially when all signs point to it getting closer and closer. It's like shaking all your christmas presents on the 23rd of December and figuring out what they are. No suprise and you ruined the fun for the giver. I just as much as anyone want this record to come out. but BE PATIENT!

The original leaker has also stated he will not be leaking any more GN'R material.

The Reeds have been good to us at Splat and I respect their words. Dizzy has been respectful to Axl for many years and is a beacon to all human beings and to all fans. His loyalty has mirrored our own so we should respect the way of the Reed.

At Splat, we are/have been aware that an announcement is due in the next couple of weeks so we urge anyone who is thinking of leakng any more material to at least give GN'R a few weeks to respond in a positive manner before releasing any more material.

The material that has been released already has turned many heads and has tamed many lions. It has been a positive move for GN'R despite their disapproval, but maybe it is a good idea to quit while the iron is hot. In reality, only a minute of a new song has been released, as IRS was available already. Not much harm has been done so lets leave it this way.

Lets move on and see what happens.

With all due respect I disagree with her.

People say Axl doesn't owe us anything, and one can argue the flip side of the coin: That we don't owe Axl anything.

If I went to a concert and he does not show up, then "it happens."

If a leak comes online and I listen, or share it with friends "it happens."

No disrespect is meant towards the band by any means. I'm a fan who loves the music any way I can get it.

fuck her

i dont want anymore leaks....i want to hear this album in full studio quality in my room. I wanna be surprised and not know whats coming on this album...so i hope that there arent anymore leaks and that there really is an announcement soon

Good points. I agree... Its been high time the fans start saying "it happens" .. tables always turn.

"Be Patient" I've waited a long long time like many of us....

Look, I"m right, I'm just right in saying what i'm going to say.....

Being patient is the last thing I want to hear. It isn't that difficult. Release the album....

yeah, we waited long enough it's time for the fans to release the record!

That's what *I* was trying to say in that thread started by that guy who was pissed off with Jarmo for deleting the leak links. Only I went a few steps further and ended up yelling at them because they have no respect! Raaa! :rant:

I respect what she had to say and I want the CD much more then leaked demo songs...so I hope that in this announcement they annouce officially when I can go out and by this damn thing. ? ?But if songs are leaked...we are gonna listen...so I hope Axl gets the album out before all the songs leak.

I haven't celebrated Christmas in 15 years, and I want a present, damnit!

Well if you wait a little longer you can celebrate Hanukkah with eight whole DAYS of presents!! : ok:

No shit... if we knew "Christmas" was a couple of weeks away, a lot of us would probably hold off until then. ?Since most of us have been led to believe the album was coming out for many YEARS before this and it hasn't, we'll take any scraps we can get and not feel the least bit bad. ?For all we know, we're going to be waiting another 5 years.

Shaaaaaadduppah yer mooouuth! :hihi:

No, seriously. DO NOT SAY THAT!!! *has let hopes get high*

You hit the nail on the head. Perhaps if the band did anything that a normal band would consider basic courtesy; not even releasing an album, nothing more than a simple voluntary contribution of information. Would it be so hard for the guys to update every few days, weeks, months, years with a "recording's been going well recently" or something or "we're not in the studio right now." Maybe then they'd have some sort of "mutual respect" angle they could play.

in other words, someone, somehow, has the goods and the band knows it--sounds like they are trying to spin someone into a cease and desist. ?

Personally, I hope that nothing else leaks, but it seems the whole album may be on the web before it hit's the stores. ?It's a new era in the music industry. ?Most likely the last $10 million investment in an album we'll ever see.

I dont think anyone can blame us die-hard fans for downloading some demos from an "Eddie Trunk cd" from 2003...

It will be totally different ballgame if it was the CD album there was leaked to the internet...

If anyone have been patience here, it is us...

Has it been established that these two songs are from the Trunk cd?

The reaction from Lisa and management may have been a bit different if some fans didn't start sending these tracks to various radio stations. I know those people meant well, but I think they crossed the line. It's no longer about a bunch of curious fans who just want to hear new songs by their favorite band. People took it upon theirselves to spread these tracks to various radio stations in the US and elsewhere when these songs clearly were not meant to be played on the radio. I don't blame them for being upset.

No... But many people on different boards, say its very likely from that cd...

And I think too... But I/we could be wrong...

That's a stupid comment from her, and it makes no sense....she should think twice before she posts anything.

She clearly has no clue what happened on this community over the past two days.

Stupid woman.

Boo Hoo. Leaks are a fact of life these days. If people sharing and listening to leaked material is gonna piss the band/Axl off then they're just too damn naive about it. If Axl would communicate more and give us a real reason to be patient maybe fans wouldn't go ape shit over a leaked song. It's their fault as much s it is our's.

Personally, why the hell are demos gonna piss them off??? ?I'd give my left fuckin nut for CD! ?Okay, that's an exaggeration, but you get the point. ?Hell, I would have paid $10 or $20 for the 1:20 clip. ?Honestly, I don't think Mrs. Reed understands how badly the Guns community wants to hear this album. ?

I liken it to the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. ?You know, the scene where the ark is opened, and Indy and Marion are smart enough to close their eyes. ?Well I aint closing my ears!!! ?I'll gladly be destroyed by angels of death...as long as I can hear this fucking album! ? : ok:

Also, to Acquiesce about "crossing the line," yeah, how dare these fans want to share awesome music with the world. ?God damn, if it were the final tracks going onto CD, I'd understand the concern. ?Personally, the positives outweigh the negatives here...BIG-TIME!!!

As a fan, I have no problem with fans sharing the music with each other, but I don't think it's right for the fans to feel its their place to debut these songs in a public manner. It's not our work.

Sending demos out to the radio can have a negative impact. The average joe may hear these demos and write off the new GNR without hearing the final product.

But isn't it ultimately the duty of the radio stations to know what they are able to play, and what they're not?

The Dirt, as usual, is on the ball here.  Rock on you crazy penguin, damn I need a drink!   :beer:

The radio stations can get away with playing a song without legal repercussions as long as they stop when they are asked.

yeah I feel no sympathy whatsoever.  Fans have gone through cancelled shows, riots, and false statements.  Like others have mentioned, its one thing if we ever had a timeline.  Or if we had constant updates on the problems that have delayed Chinese Democracy for this long.  As far as I am concerned, this is the only shot I have at hearing the album because I still believe it will never be released. 

Oh look, a non-believer! How ORIGINAL!  ::)

Are you sure? There isn't a common sense standard that applies itself in a situation such as this?


Yeah. I'll take what I can get due to the possibility that nothing comes out. I hope it does though. : ok:


Oh, I'm rockin'!

 :peace:

oh look, a worshipper of Axl!  How ORIGINAL!  ::)

If you dont want to hear any leaks, then dont download it the next time one happens. Simple as that. God isn't forcing you to download anything.


SLC, that was a GREAT post. I couldn't agree with you more.

Thank you.

Well, years and years waiting for an album also upset us!

I desagree with Lisa. I've been waiting for 12 years. It's HARD to wait so much. Enough is enough. Nothing is stronger than the Internet, and once the stuff is leaked, you can't stop the buzz machine and it's fine like that. Axl doesn't like that? I don't care. Does he think I like to wait for so long? He doesn't care. We all see our own interest, that's how it works.

Why not just have some bit of news? Or even a website? Or just a reason for why things are the way we are. The sharks are hungry Axl and the dolphins can't swim fast enough!

yeah well, we're not married to lisa, and we want to hear gn'r. 14 years is a lot of time, and if there's something gn'r fans are, that's patient. and there wouldn't be any leaks if they wouldn't fail to deliever year after year.
thank god for the leaks, it gave us all new hope.

I think this is the problem when you hear a lot of musicians or people in the industry spouting off about how leaks are Terrible Things; they're in the industry. Brian May, or Courtney Love or Slash or whoever... if they want to hear a new song by a band, all they have to do is ring up their mate and say, "Hey, could you chuck us over a demo CD?" They just don't understand what it's like to have no information whatsoever for over a decade...

SG

You said you don't want them to play new songs during a possible(?) pre-CD tour since you want to wait for the final product. And you were the first to download Better and the high quality I.R.S.  :confused:

Hey, nobody has commented on the really juicy info in this Splat release: they have heard that an official announcement is forthcoming! Now I know many people have speculated this may happen, but this is a rather BOLD statement for them to make that seems to indicate they know something. I sure hope they are right!

As for Lisa Reed's comments, I can't even be bothered to comment on something so ridiculous as telling GNR fans they need to be patient.

Why don't we get a statement from someone who is actually in the band??? Why do we have to hear these comments from a member's wife or from the management??? Why is it soo fuckin' hard for Axl, Dizzy or even one of the new guys to tell their fans what the fuck is going on??? Why do we have to cope with the lies and bullshit that has been spread for many many years??? Why do we even have to believe Chinese Democracy will be out soon, if even this year???

This was already posted in at least two other threads.



And as for her, fuck her. He message sounded ignorant to me, and she asks us to be PATIENT ? That's rich.

We get a little bit of new music which everyone gets hypedabout and then we get a message like that from her.

If we cared the the band we wouldn't listen to the leaks, psh if the band cared for us the would give is some infomation, no infact after all this time just give us the album.

I don't like the manner in which that comment was made. She presented it like it was our fault the material was leaked. We are being patient and she does not need to remind us of that.

Sp1at has been unreliable in the past with gossip but I feel we are closer than ever so let's wait and see.

so true man,,,

next thing you know it will be the gnr forums fault for cd not coming out... :hihi:

To expound on Lisa's analogy:

This is more like someone promising an 8 year old a new bike for Christmas, over the years dropping cryptic "hints" that THIS Christmas might actually be the year....til the kid is 20.  You'll have to excuse the poor kid, whether the bike is really imminently arriving or not, for taking a free tire from the guy down the block.  And then bragging to all his friends about the shiny new kick ass tire he just got.

We've been patient.  More patient, I dare say, than just about any other fanbase in the world.  And what has that patience gotten us, really?  Silence.  Utter and complete blackout of meaningful information....left to concoct conspiracy theories and dissect interviews into semantic predictions.

I've got a suggestion for management and GnR: Wanna stop the leaks? Really?  Maybe be a bit more communicative with the fans.  That might inspire some semblance of "loyalty" amongst them so they'll listen to requests not to leak material or whatever.  But asking the dog thats been beaten for 12 years to suddenly jump to your defense is probably expecting a bit much, eh?

Quoted for Truth!

Respect is a two-way street. 

Well in all truth I think its the new material that keeps us going as a GN'R Community.

Without the new material from 99, 02 and now 06 I think all of us would've given up a long time ago.

This new material has a positive effect in some way as it all makes us believe even more in CD and that CD is happening, its not just a myth. If we hadn't heard anything from CD (well, new material) none of us would be here as regularly as we are.

I think you are absolutely right Cafc... I think that a statement from the band itself would do with a precise date of when the album will come out. then, a lot of people would refrain from listening to the leaks by temselves not to spoil their own surprise.

very well said.

what is this, a cult?

Yes.

Really?  Where's astbury??

selling sea shells in his sanctuary :hihi:

Pilferk, that was a GREAT analogy.  Perfect, and you're so right.  Honestly, in my eyes, even if management said "CD will be released at the end of the year," and it was on the release list, then guess what - I don't care how many things "leaked," I wouldn't download it.  I would wait.  Unfortunately, we get nothing from this band EVER in the sense of solid information.

So, as Axl once said, I've downloaded the tracks, and I'll continue to "lead my life."  heh heh.

I can understand disagreeing with Lisa Reed (and I do).

But there is absolutely NO reason to attack her personally and call her names.

Lisa Reed is cool, and you people calling her names have no fucking idea how fan friendly she really is. You have no fuckin' clue who and what the fuck you are talking about. Shut up!  :rant:

However, in regards to the actual band/fan situation I can absolutely not agree with her statement, so let me speak out one more time:

That 'no link' hush-hush policy is the biggest and most naive piece of shit ever because for any true fan, the MUSIC always comes first. And please don't tell me such 'leaks' hurt the bands feelings or are a direpepect towards them because that is NOT the case. If the band would not want anyone to hear it, they would have not pressed it onto a fucken CD for fucks sake!! Where do you think all these tracks are suddenly coming from - out of the mixing console, secretly taken away from the band? BULLSHIT!!! All 'leaks' are coming from the band themselves and/or the mangement, and everyone knows that.

It's called marketing, some people just don't get it. The less links circulate, the 'hotter' the demos are, the more the people are talking about them. That's free promotion, testing and feedback for the band in return for one and a half mediocre outtakes from an upcoming killer album.

In six weeks, no one will give a fuck about these one and a half songs.

So just RELAX and take it easy - everyone.

"In six weeks, no one will give a fuck about these one and a half songs"


Heres hoping!  :beer:

I know what most fans feel like cause I'm a fan since 1988. I know the past 4-5 years have been even more disturbing, cause we thought it was right the corner with all the tour and everything, and nothing happened.

Patience is the most suitable word at the moment. Lisa Reed knows what she's talking about... I know you've heard a lot in the past that haven't been true, but this time trust her...

Ditto on the timeframe of being a fan.  Early '87 I heard "live like a suicide" (a bootleg of it provided to me by my uncle who was living in LA at the time) and was hooked.  I'm right there with you on the long suffering thing.

Again, asking dogs who have been beaten for the last 12 years to be "patient" is probably not adopting a realistic view point.

Hey, I love Lisa.? She's a peach...friendly, accessible, and real.? Dizzy's a lucky guy, fer sure.

But, in this case, it's sorta hard to seperate her unique position/perspective from what she's saying.?

And she's said, in the past, that the record was "imminent" and been wrong.?

Trust is something that's built.? This band hasn't done that.? It's also a two way street.? And they haven't done that either.

Again, they wanna calm the shitstorm:? Open up the floodgates with some real information.? That would, I suspect, solve 90% of the problem.

why? how do you know she's right?

Hats off, you hit the hammer on the nail. ?: ok:

sorry but since the Internet exist the whole world became a village

I don 't have any bad feelings while listening to the leaks

After 15 years i even consider it as my "godgiven right"
I refer to the "flip the coin comment" somebody stated

If the fucker would have released we would not be here bitching about haircuts &,jersey and Korn parties.
What happens now is the only logical consequence to the "torture" the hardcore fans went through

I'd spread it anytime!!!!! :rant:

The whole problem is, us fans have not received any information, only minute news, and no songs over the past like 14 years (except for Oh My God). ?This leak is the biggest peice of NewGnr news that most of us have had in a long time. ?

I agree whole heartedly here....  The leaks make me want this album even more and I had left the forums for awhile and came back when Axl emerged so now with all the new news and especially the leaks, it's gonna keep me back here for awhile.

I will gladly trade the ability to hear any or all new GnR tracks for the announcement of a release date. Listening to these leaks is tantamount to sticking your finger in the pot of your mom's simmering beef stew.  You shouldn't do that but until she tells you when it will be ready, how can you really resist, especially when you are really hungry.

The problem with Lisa Reed's statement is that she seems offended that fans did this b/c there will be an annoucement forthcoming. Well, jeez, first of all  no one even knew about an annoucement, secondly, how many times have we heard 'soon', 'coming in for a landing', 'this year' and received nothing. A few weeks means what exactly? an integer less than or equal to 52? Vagueness has always been the escape clause for this management. Frankly, I don't believe any timetable put forth by any member of the management or  band outside of Axl, especially from the wife of one of these band members.

Don't listen or speak of these leaks? Yeah, ok, but give us a release date and more importantly honor it. 13 years should have been enough at this point. Finish off those 26 and fast track this baby. The buzz that these leaks have generated is tremendous.

I just want to say. Some people take the roll of official speakers when they're not.

Nobody does that. IF some people are in the know they wouldn't tell you what's gonna happen.

But they might try to warn you...

this must be a sticky at mygnr with maddy saying I totally agree lisa :hihi:

Do any of you feel Lisa Reed's comments to Sp1at are a bit inappropriate? Don't get me wrong, I completely understand how if these leaks were unintentional (which I do NOT believe them to be), members of the band could feel a bit violated, but for the wife of bandmember instead of an actual bandmember themself to come out with angry comments? Plus, to say in bold font "BE PATIENT" is pretty much a slap in the face to the fans. I do NOT believe we are owed anything by anyone in GNR camp. That type of mentality creates dependancy, which creates unhappiness. None of us should be dependant on the release of CD. That said, to be scolded  that after 15 years (1991's release of UYI's) devoid of new music, sporadic public appearances, an unexplained halt to a world tour, being told by "said" bandmembers "it's coming" only to be let down time and time again, and virtually no factual information what so ever, that we need to be patient? That is bullshit to me. We have illustrated patience that would make Ghandi fucking look like a virgin jackrabbit on prom night. I thought that outlet was totally uncalled for, especially since it was done on a FAN WEBSITE, a venue in which only true fans would visit. What does she expect would happen. It's like starving a bunch of pit bulls, and teasing them with meat, only to throw one tiny chunk into their cage. What do you guys think?

really needed a new thread for this .. the other one was getting stale.  ::)

hehe pece

First of all Lisa wasnt even talking to sp1at about anything. She posted it over at the Dizzy board and she didnt think anyone would post it all over the net and start bitching and complaining about it. So for people to get like this because of something she said is pretty fucked up and its not very cool of sp1at to go and make a new story out of it either.  :rant:

She made the comment on a message board and sp1at pulled it from there, seemingly without asking. She has as much of a right to be wrong as anyone.

you're right about one thing .. she DIDNT think.  : ok:

I really try not to talk shit about "Newbs", but these new threads are really getting redundant. ::)

She was talking to people who actually KNOW her there. ?She was not speaking to the fan base as a whole. She was not posting on HTGTH, Sp1at, or another open, public forum like that. ? She was asked about her own PERSONAL feelings about the matter, not about the band's stance or anything like that.

Quit bashing her for crying out loud!! ? :rant:

it's just a lil warmup for when the album gets released. thats why JARMO leaked the demo's .. to test the waters and the board.  :rofl:

I have to disagree with Lisa Reed.  We have been patient enough.  If you are a true diehard fan and did not hear these leaks, good for you.  I couldn't resist, and I don't regret listening in.  Who knows if this album is really coming out soon?  There is no solid evidence.  Just because Axl said we would hear music in 2006?  We'll at least I can say now that was a true statement.

oh I dunno maybe because shes married to a band member and knows what the hell is going on?

Dizzy doesn't know shit so I doubt his wife does.

That damn Jarmos always scheming isn't he? :)

:hihi: :hihi:


yeah i recently thouht about the board`s situation after the release, too..... it`s gonna be interesting

Wow, again?

Does anyone read the board before posting?

Maybe Uncle Axl needs a wife too.

bump

Yeah you know more. even more than Axl. :yes:

nice comments.
Hey ppl, 2 more days (in GNR time) to go.

Good post slc punk. : ok: I understand both sides.
An untimely incident could ruin a plan, which would only benefit someone against the plan.
But  if the fans and music lovers were indifferent to the newsongs, what would it mean?

What's up with sp1at saying this underneath the article they turned it into:

At Splat, we are/have been aware that an announcement is due in the next couple of weeks

 ???

sp1at spelled backwards is Bullshit.. well atleast it should be.

This really irritates me.I know for a fact that I'm not the only Guns fan who ever paid good money for a concert ticket & then had to stand around for 3 friggin hours while Axl cleansed his fuckin aura or whatever he was doing before he could be bothered to step foot on stage.Why should he get more respect from his fans than he's ever given them?
? ?And what's so horrible about people hearing leaked songs?if the music is good now,it will still be good when the album is finally released.
 I'm not an Axl hater,I'd just like to smack the shit outta him from time to time. :-\

:rofl:

But you do have a good valid point

All I am going to say is I support Lisa all the way! She is remaining loyal to what Axl wants.
amy l

Yes, and that same common sense standard should also apply to the fans.

Everyone should just leave Lisa alone.  She is a really nice lady.  The people giving her crap for her comments should not bitch about it.  Some of you people are being disrespectful.  The lady is fantastic and truthful.  You that are complaining are just upset that she told it how it is.  She's on the inside, you're not.  Leave it alone.

Thank you!! Please just leave it alone.

I question where sp1at got this from.  I just went to dizzyreed.com and looked on the forum and didn't see this post anywhere.  Does anyone else see it?

They got it from Dizzy's orginal message board.  I forget who it is hosted by.  They still use that particular message board.

I don't understand why people feel the need to attack a person for the comments he/she made.

It's one thing to disagree with somebody's opinion, but to attack that person... What's the point?



/jarmo

The lass is gonna be mighty pissed now another song is out.

personally i hope the leaks stop here because i want to hear the final version!!!!

Sorry Lisa Reed.

I guess you tried but enough momentum has built up such that nothing can stop it now.

I am a member and a mod at the Dizzy board. I am also a member at the Dizzy board that most of you have found. lisa's statements were suppose to remain at that board. The member that sent it to Sp1at wasn't aware of this. The member and Sp1at had no idea this would cause such an up roar. Sp1at is in no way at fault here and is welcome at our board.
What people don't seem to understand here is that the band is lisa's family and you defend and protect your family!! Lisa posts at these sites because like you and I she is a gnr fan ( has been for longer then most of us even knew of them) she wants to support the band and make a connection just like the rest of us!! All along Axl and the band has made it pretty clear how they feel about these kinds of leaks. They want to give us the best that they can and boots and demo's are not it. Keep that in mind the next time some of you are so quick to judge!
 Thanks peace out
amy loeffel
mod at the Dizzy board

amy loeffel?

weren`t you a poster at gnrsucks.com a while ago?

yes I was! but I gave up on that message box. I do go to 2000 intentions once and a while, but not under the present times.

i used to check the message box, too, but i couldn`t bear the people there anymore :hihi:

Me either, it is a nice site and its too bad. But its too negative. I try and go to places that are a little more open!

Lisa's comments were so awesome! i AM HAPPY THAT i HEARD BETTER, BUT i'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO ANYMORE LEAKS! This Cd is going to be so magical! I want the true full experience just like when I  saw Axl in concert and WICKED and LES MISERABLES for the first time! I have to admit that the site with the Better clip also :'( had those controversial Muslim cartoons. I thought they were kind of cute and funny. AM I going to go to hell or be killled by terrorists?

if the fans had the record we wouldnt have to release it would we???  : ok:

Good post. Lisa is cool so calm down with cursing her out. Like Jarmo said you dont have to like or agree with what she said but verbally attacking her is uncalled for. I found her "Christmas" comment to be just as exciting as actually hearing the songs.