Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Say what you want, but Axl is no cold hearted monster, and hes not a money grabbing pirate. From my personal perception he seems to be an artist who has difficulty in the media spotlight and in talks with the press. So I wondered, asides from the whole legal complications, did he keep the GNR name because he literally figured that NO record label or marketing plan would put up with him fumbling about for the last 7 years unless the name GNR was attached? Thats my opinion anyway, as the Guns N Roses name is simply a marketing tool, and if Axl figured he'd get the same backing without the name he'd drop it...but in Asia and South America its a lot easier just to present the name, the bands logo, and advertise Axl is going to be there

He kept the name because W. Axl Rose is Guns N' Roses. Always has been, always will be.

to keep the intergrity of Guns N Roses...if Slash and Duff had their way GNR's music would be in Burger King and Nike commercials....

AND instead of the Illusions we'd prolly have ended up with Appetite II.

hmm the Illusions were awesome dude....beyond awesome.......i wouldnt have wanted appetite 2

He kept the name because he didn't wanted the band to die, no matter what.

As long as we have Axl, GN'R will never die.

....Or release an album.

Keeping the GNR name has been an albatross around his neck I think. If it was called the 'Axl Rose All Star Sessionm Musician Band' he wouldnt have so much to live up to and he could put out endless crummy industrial records without having to compare to or live up to the GNR legacy. We would have had a few Axl albums that we may or may not like, but who cares. He should be doing the music for himself, not new fame or fortune based on a long dead name.

He kept the band name I think because he did think he was the soul etc of GNR, but a 13 year silence album wise with a few nostalgia tours hardly speaks of vision and progression to me at least. He's scared to release an album that might not live up to the GNR name. Bad luck Axl. Should think twice before screwing your friends over in future.

As for Slash and Duff putting music in Burger King etc - well they arent in or dont associate themselves with GNR anymore so are probably quite happy to make money from songs that they wrote 20 years ago or whatever. Who cares, why shouldnt they. Have you seen Big Daddy? Now thats integrity. Didnt Axl want to put out rerecorded versions of AFD songs on sountracks so the old guys wouldnt get royalties. Now theres a good guy.

Just my opinion - before you start crying, I want to hear CD, and have seen the band live - I just think hes lying to his fans and to himself by calling the band Guns N Roses.

"and for all those who thinks that they know whats going on but they have no idea"
Remember a quote from Axl back in 2001? that quote was something like this, so... you have no idea of what's going on  ::)

This is a pointless topic, seriously... he didn't keep the band name. The band has always been there, lol. Members left cause they wanted to... they were part of Guns N' Roses, but they left. The soul (as you said) of Guns N' Roses is still there, he is still writing songs and he is still performing. His band has new members, ya know? The band is still the same though. Some different members, but the band is Guns N' Roses. And has always been.

well, I know what you mean, dude. I understand you, but... the band is out there. The band was never dissolved. Chinese Democracy will be out soon enough and that's all what matter  :peace:

I believe Axl saw the destruction of the band happening long before it actually occured, it was up to him to save what he felt was rightfully his from it's own self destruction. It was probably at that time that Axl devised a plan and set it into action.  Whether his plan was just to protect the GNR name or wether he truly had plans to build a new band is a mystery to me, but whatever his intentions, I love him and am sad about the demise of the original line-up, but am very open to the new, I think we are all pretty fortunate to have any GNR in 06 and 07

Slash is G'N'R ::) :smoking:

Whoops, I didn't word that one too well. I meant that Appetite II would be for the worse. The Illusions are my favorite album. Period. :beer:

I dont think he shoulda kept the name...prolly woulda been easier with the media...but anyway that ship has long sailed...i made my peace with it a while ago....anyway axl describes why he kept it here....Axl Speaks the RS interview 2000

yeah that is exactly why, axl has never been alone, when someone left someone came to replace that person, they never really split up, just one after another left, they didn't change it when izzy left he was replaced almost instantly, same with slash and duff

Axl kept the name for spite. Simple. Its like if u have a fight with one of ur family members and u think, 'Il show you!". I think thats exactly what Axl did. Just a theory.

I agree he kept it for spite... What is the point of keeping teh band name when he wants the band to be so different.  The image, the sound everything is different.  Including all the band memebers. He should just call the band Chinese Democracy..

actually that would be kinda cool i guess, never thought about it, but no

what he said^

I think he'd have a better reputation had he just started another band, maybe some kind of super group, or just solo stuff.

Arrogance and money.

because the name Guns N' Roses is just so damn cool :headbanger:

Probably because GNR never broke up the way most bands do.  The Appetite lineup disbanded one member at a time over a span of many years.  Steven was kicked it, it was still GnR.  Izzy left, it was still GnR.  Slash left, it was still GnR.  Duff left and Matt quit/got kicked out, it was still GnR and still is because GnR never officially broke up and the man who owns the rights to the name is still in the band. 

I think that if Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt all came together and quit the band at the same time then Axl wouldn't still be using the name.  But I think the reason that Axl has chosen to kept the name, regardless of what anyone else thinks, is because he doesn't feel like he should have to give up on something (Guns N Roses) he still believes in just because the old members all left the band over a 7-8 year period.  It's a pretty unique situation, although not unprecedented.  For example Ian Paice is the only person who's been in every version of Deep Purple

agreed

Axl might have had a greater interest in the type of songs the other did not want to do that went on to be great hits.  He did mention that in the past.  Maybe a larger share in whole aside from the group as well?

No matter how you slice it.  Axl is the lead singer (frontman).  Eg.  If Mick Jaggger took the name Rolling Stones and brought in new players it would be the same thing.

Besides Guns n Roses is an established name why would he not want to use his own bands name  :-\

Are you joking? Have you heard Mick's solo shit?

Terrible isnt it!! Just uninspired rubbish.

absolute - Go on a Stones forum and argue that the Stones would still be the Stones if Keith and Charlie weren't in it. I'd love to see the responses you'd get.

OK, you got me ::)

The point I was trying to make was that is most people associate the Stones with Mick!

Maybe I am wrong?  But I guess I am not an experienced music buff as you GnR folks :P

I think I will check out that Mick site!

no, you aren't wrong. People associate Rolling Stones with Mick Jagger. At least where I live, the media where I live and the forums that I frequent associate Stones with mick. : ok:

Just Mick?

yea... most of people here.  ::)

Lol, ok. I dont really understand what you are on about? Sure people equate Mick with the Stones because he is in the Stones. But are you trying to say that Mick by himself is THE Rolling Stones? Go back to all these mythical sources and ask them what they'd think if Mick wanted to replace Keith Richards with a guy with a bucket on his head or with anyone else for that matter.

Next thread topic - Bruno argues that black is white....

Well there all fukin wrong. Almost everyone i know thinks of fukin Keith when they think of the stones.

Hell yes! Dont worry about him stonerose, hes here everday with another poor argument.

Spot on mate.   Axl is a smart man indeed to have the rights to do what he's doing.   I commend him for carrying on GNR while others chose to abandon it.   

some people don't even know Keith Richards, lol. I never said that Mick is the rolling stones, but like people associate Axl Rose with Guns N' Roses, other people associate Mick with Rolling Stones.
If people think in another way they'll argue that black is white. Sure. Of course, I forgot you're the truth. You know all the truth and your opinion if all what matter. I'm really sorry.  : ok:

umm during the illusions axl threatend to quit unless the other members signed over the band name. he a power hungry maniac and VR is better than the new guns

dont hotlink images dude.. especially when you are trolling GNR boards pretending its 1987.

Not in terms of their live performances or the put on or the music they're currently making  :hihi:

You say Axl is a power hungry maniac but you are forgetting that Slash and Duff were annihilated off booze and heroin on a regular basis at that point in time.  Ever think that their version of the events may not be the most accurate?

Fact: Guns N' Roses still exists.



/jarmo

it's the biggest paradox ever that the fans of the same people who abandoned guns n' roses attack axl for keeping the name and being the only one that bothered keeping the band alive (and no it wasn't for money, get your shallow brains to look up musical integrity), all while they would like to see slash and duff back in the band, they just don't like the fact that axl is the one who didn't walk out on guns n' roses... oh, the bitterness...

My facts are all in order: here's what I wrote earlier in this thread:

Why Do You Think Axl Really Kept the Guns N' Roses name?

erm... because:
Guns n'Roses is associated with 'Appetite for Destruction'
one of the best hard rock albums of all time  : ok:

I'm 100% happy with my reply  :)

i wish some people would grow a brain, stop thinking shallow and get over the bitterness over the fact that slash and duff, the great heroes they are, walked out on guns n' roses and left the band to die.

slash: "i don't wanna work that hard"

yeah i can see that, judging from his VR/snakepit solos.

the illusion solos were great, obviously he needed axl to pull that shit out of him...

Your right, Axl turned Slash into the awesome guitar player that he is. Good ol' Axl, is there anything he can't do?

He kept the name because it'll sell more albums than 'Axl & Chums'. Unfortunately now its an albatross for him because he has so much to live up to.

i'm not gonna get into this debate for the 1000th time, i'll just say that i've always figured it must be kind of hard to be a gnr fan when the only people you are really a fan of are the ones that quit on gnr. i mean, isn't it a little tough to deal with? a little embarrasing to defend these quitters all the time? that must be why you hate axl so much, seeing as he actually stood by guns n' roses and everything...

Why did the 'quitters' walk away though?

Seems that they are unanimous in saying that Axl was a dictator and Guns was no longer a band, just something that he wanted sole control over and it was either his way or the highway. I dont blame them. They werent quitters, they'd just had enough of being treated like dicks and employees by a guy who'd got to big for his (name embriodered) boots.

Axl stood by the name because at that time (1993-94) GNR was a massive name. Just because its a name doesnt mean thats what it is. If thats the case, then I'm going to change my name to Frank Sinatra and get a year residency at a casino in Vegas. After all, that'll be my name, so I'm obviously Frank Sinatra, is that right?

Why is everyone so quick to believe their side of the story?  Slash and Duff were shitfaced and /or high on smack on a nearly continual basis during those days but for some reason a lot of people just automatically believe everything they have to say about the situation

what a stupid way to compare it.  that makes sense at all.    I think you might end up having some legal trouble from the real Frank Sinatra if you tried that.   Axl owns the rights fair and square.   Besides, this isn't a vegas casino act.    If they were, I sure as hell wouldn't be here right now, I would be over on the strip at whatever casino they are playing   :smoking: 

lol that's what I say! I think that Axl/Izzy chose which solo they would like to put in the musics. Without Axl, we would not hear November Rain, Estranged, Sweet Child O' mine, Don't Cry, Roquet Queen, Welcome to the jungle... Wow, I won't list all the musics. Without Slash, I seriously can say that sweet child o' mine would be a bit different and other musics too. Imo Axl was always the soul of GN'R. Anyway, I think that Izzy helped a lot too. Axl is doing great musics and Slash is doing... well, his musics aren't even close to the illusions musics. Is slash a genius? I don't think that a genius would not write really good songs after leaving a band. I mean, the genius probably always has been Axl. Maybe Izzy too...  sorry VR fans, I had to say that.
I don't usually see heroes leaving. I see heroes fighting till the end and after all the kind of trouble, they win. Who is the hero in GN'R? :D

they quit cause they wanted to. You can believe in what you want. Axl himself said that, like Oasis, they couldn't find the best way to everyone.

AXL! ;D damn straight! 8) love your posts, man! :beer:
i always agree 100% ;D

Yes, it's Axl! lol. So easy to guess!  ;D
I love your posts, seriously... hahaha
sometimes I just say "yes, I agree with everything you said" and others I just laught the whole day cause they're so much fun!  :rofl:

He kept the name because hes the only original member who didnt quit. I think slash and duff have said that the band broke up, But i personally think that they just had a long break, Then the guys all quit.