Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Argument on another forum, tell me what you all think
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So you also believe that:

A man put on a cross in scorching hot temperatures , drenched in his own blood, probably already rotting due to insects feeding on his blood,

A man dead, taken into a cave, again in very hot temperatures, already decomposing because of it, his corpse spending 3 days in that place when it SCIENTICALLY TAKES TWO IN HOT TEMPERATURES? TO BE DECOMPOSED, suddenly walks out and says " hi i am alive" ?

Do not tell me you believe CORPSES can walk ? i mean, closer to a skeleton really, and a smelly one at that...

Jessica, I'm having trouble understanding your post.  Are you doubting that Jesus rose from the dead or are you doubting he died at all?   ???

With any religion, anything's possible.  It's magic.   ;)

well, the argument is about the cross, i think he was never on it, i think one can't prove he was, and i think the whole thing about coming back from the dead ( if he had died on a cross that is) is surreal and i think that people who don't think about the timeframe, the geographical position and what it did to bodies are fuckwits who should use a brain instead of believing the dead can walk, because if one had, we would have seen more of them, wouldn't we ?

Uh, considering no man could come back from the dead without being divine, why is it that hard to figure that if one man could come back from the dead that he didn't decompose?

If you don't believe in the divinity of Christ, that's fine, but why would saying "his body would decompose if he came back" convince someone who believes that someone could come back from the dead?

It just seems like a logical step. "If a man could come back from the dead, normally impossible, then surely he wouldn't decompose because he already went against the odds by coming back in the first place"

To me it shows just how ridiculous that myth is.

So your saying you don't believe there was a man named Jesus and that he was crucified by the Romans? I've never really heard people say that before....I can understand if you doubt he "rose again" and was divine and that stuff..

The sun of God. Died on the sun cross. It's Egyptian, and it's pagan.

Of the 40 known contemporary writers, none speak of this Jesus character.

exactly.

while I'm not sure i believe in the whole story (or much of any religion to be honest) - either you do or you don't.  If you do, then none of it seems unbelievable.  thats what having faith is all about.

retarded thread.

Don't forget his three day North American tour during the 3 day down time. Angel Moroni and all that........

Edit: and the story of "Jesus" has been told several times, in many different civilizations, long before the arrival of the big JC. It's a fairy tale.

It's been told many times, but it's not a fairly tale. It's astrology.

You say potato I say fairy tale.

You don't know what you're talking about :yes:

Inane at best ^

Ignorance is bliss

Know anything about crucifiction?

Well i'll tell ya a bit

Crucification was designed as a hopelessly inefficient method of killing - you'd die from asphyxiation usually

It appears the cross Jesus was nailed to had a built in support to prevent this - not uncommon, so as to prolong the death

In that case death would come from

a) shock
b) dehydration

Now there are many a case of people surving crucification - so shock isnt guarenteed to have killed Jesus

...and wasnt there a storm following Jesus's nailing? Quite possibly the temperate was cool, possibly even cold

After three days it was quite possible Jesus was still very much alive, and this wasnt uncommon (again, why they used crucification)

After three days he was taken down and carried off - and there is every chance he was still alive, able to appear to friends shortly thereafter - but obviously rather the worse for wear so avoiding public appearences

When you get down to it its quite possible for Jesus to have ''died'' and come back to life

Ya see?

I still can't believe he toured North America without the album!!   :hihi:  ...and what's he got against Philly anyway???  ;D

Jesus is alive and He is Lord  :D

I can understand not believing the entire story, but the part where Jesus was crucified by the Jews is pretty much historical fact.  There are countless first class tellings of the story itself.  I can completely understand not believing in the resurrection or the divinity of Jesus, but to state you don't believe he was crucified is like that idiot Iranian ruler stating he doesn't believe the holocaust ever happened.  I have absolutely zero religious bones in my body, but I'm not so naive as to think Jesus wasn't an incredible person who died on a cross.

This board is full of complete loons (at least this forum section) who believe rediculous conspiracy theroies like Bush planned 911 or the existence of a vast right wing conspiracy.  Just a complete lack of perspective here all too often.

Wrong.


Don't exaggerate, it's basically just me. And for the record, it's not Bush and it's not a right wing conspiracy.

No it is not. There is not one shred of evidence of Jesus ever exsisting. There are no contemporary records that mention him, much less the crucifiction. It is a myth. Like the saying goes, " if you tell someone, something, long enough, they will believe it".

till they prove he is real it is fake as hell

so then...where did the Easter bunny come from? and why the association of Bunny and Eggs? wouldn't it be better to be the Easter Chicken? ;D

South Park for the win. :hihi:

Using your logic, you must not believe in evolution.  There is no known physical evidence of the missing-link, but I completely believe we evolved from monkeys.  The evidence of Jesus' existence as a man and his death by crucifiction are too great for me personally to dismiss as complete fabrications.  Am I convinced he was the son of God?  No.  Or that he rose from the dead?  No.  I am convinced that he existed and was crucified by the jews. 

I knew a tile guy named Jesus, he was quite the mortar.

Was he born in a manger?

There are plenty of known transitional fossils, and evolution doesn't claim we evolved from monkeys.


There's very little evidence outside of the gospels which contradict each other on a lot of points.

C.S.I. The Phoenicians..

I believe the gospels provide that he was crucified by the Romans.

Weather he existed or not, weather he rose from the dead or not, anything can happen if you have faith enough, I think that's the main reason for any religion, now, the real question is who, when and how these histories begun to circulate, cause we all know that all these histories were written after his "dead", anyway translation for many generations and different languages has its prize and I'd say a big one specially in this story.
Now, I'm a Christian, I believe in Christ and all the history and the bible, don't tell me to prove you anything cause I wont, I guess no one will, at the end who cares, the reason why he came here (if you ever believe he existed) was only to give people hope for mankind and to love each other the rest is just BS.  :peace:

I think the point of religion is faith, beliving without needing too much proof. If you learned from it and it helps you be better and feel better, then go with it. If not, or if it's making you an arrogant twit, then leave it alone.

Oh really, tell me one thing that faith can accomplish. Faith is putting belief in something that is, otherwise, illogical.

It's called faith for a reason.

Make up your own mind as you wish, as long as it suits you.

Heal your body, for one.

More and more scientists are discovering that particles are reacting to brainwaves. You've probably heard of the Schrodingers Cat paradox.

Examples please.

How can I prove faith to you if you want proofs?, there's no proof in faith, just leave it alone and go on with your life.

That is not faith. There are chemical reactions going on in the brain that send triggers to release other chemicals.

If " anything can happen if you have faith enough" is a true statement, then, the results of that statement are quantifiable. Are they not?

Here is one about Schrodingers Cat

Schrodinger's cat has been the guinea pig (to mix metaphors) in the world of quantum mechanics thought experiments for more than seventy years. The cat is assumed to be in a box with a demonic device that triggers its death with 50 percent probability in a given time. The statement of the paradox, as usually presented, is that quantum mechanics would predict that the cat is in a state of "half-alive + half-dead" (a superposition) and that the quantum mechanical "collapse" into one of the definite outcomes is produced only when an observer opens the box to make a "measurement."

http://www.newdualism.org/papers/R.Brecha/Schrodingers-cat.htm

Here is some info on the Holographic Universe

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2002/398/

The article I read in a Norwegian science mag talked about photons hitting a mirror, and you could never know if the particle would go through or be reflected until you observed it.

In my opinion it all connects to ancient esoteric knowledge about positive and negative energies, not to mention the law of attraction (it works).


They are still triggered by faith, or thought if you will.

Nop they are not.

It has been a long long time since I studied Quantum Mechanics, but that sounds like an allegory for orbital electron position.

A classic response; I can't argue with that.

I'm not student of physics, just have a general interest for science. But from what I've gathered conventional science are pretty much in the dark on the subject since it doesn't fit with present perceptions. At the very least I'd say it opens the possibility of a more spiritual reality than what is popularly believed.

And if the reports on what is being thought at the top levels of Freemasonry and other secret societies are accurate it certainly hints towards a dramatic paradigm shift in modern science.

The thing about Quantum Mechanics though, is that it only holds up on the quantum level. That is why many people find the concepts involved so hard to "wrap their brain around"; many of the concepts seem counterintuitive.

Exactly neither do i  ;)

So after giving serious consideration to the idea of Christ's rising from the dead, some random dude has decided that the real question is one of decomposition?   :rofl:

Fair enough..."scientically."