Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I think most of you already know the background behind Tiger Woods' recent car accident / alleged domestic incident.  My first reaction to the media frenzy was that it was a gross invasion of his privacy.  I then read an article from a columnist who didn't see it that way, saying:

"He's selling you and your kids an image, and consumers are entitled to know how true or counterfeit that image is."

I think he has a fair point, but I wouldn't go so far as to agree with him.  I think the "counterfeit" image becomes relevant only if the athlete in question is cheating at his particular sport (e.g., steroids), not on his/her spouse. 

Anyway, curious on what you knuckleheads think about this.  :peace:

Don't care.

He can fuck anything, or anyone, at anytime (so long as it's not WHILE playing the round, on the fairway, leading up to 18) he wants, so long as they're willing, and over the age of consent.  That's between him, the people he's fucking, and his wife.  Not me.

His "image" is as a successful golfer, who's on his way to winning more golf tournies, and more majors, than any player in history.  His "image", for me, pertains 100% to his success and achievements in his sport.  Not what he does in a bedroom and with who.  His product placement isn't about "wholesome image"...the guys not selling minivans or diapers.  It's about being a pro at the very pinnacle of his profession.  People don't buy Gatorade because they think Tiger is a good hubby (or daddy, or son, or whatever).

I've no more have the "right" to know what's going on in his personal life, and in his marriage, than my employer has the right to know the same about ME.  If it's not effecting my job performance....it's none of their business.  Tiger and whatever has gone on with him, and his wife, should have that same basic privacy.

The explanation of the article sounds like rationalizing, to me.  People will flock to sensationalist drivel......this sounds like an authors way of being able to sleep at night AND pay his bills (or, maybe, allowing his publication to pay the bills, and allowing him to sleep at night). 

Pilferk's public apology?  ;D

JK brah, JK.

I offer an apology via video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i5FlC1MpkE

(watch the whole thing)

Trust me...if I were Tiger I wouldn't be posting at HTGTH. 

I'd have WAY too much money to count and, obviously, girls to juggle, to have time to post here. :)

Just the usual media hype. Who cares if he's boning someone else? Although this:

"I have let my family down and I regret those transgressions with all of my heart," "I have not been true to my values and the behaviour my family deserves."

sounds like he might be guilty.

He definitely did it.  The statement today says it without being "gory" in the details. 

Again...don't care.

Tiger is a bad, bad boy:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tiger-woods-apologizes-alleged-mistress-jaimee-grubbs-releases/story?id=9228059

When you think of all the power, wealth and fame that superstar athletes have, all the female attention that comes with that... the temptation is beyond anything I can imagine.  Is it realistic to expect such a person to live in a constant state of self-denial?

No, but then if you can't keep your dick in your pants, don't get married. That's when the problem starts.

I really hope Elin beat the fuck outta him with that golf club! I would have enjoyed so much to be able to watch that!  :rofl:

i could care less what people do in private.

Witness the ultimate example:

Derek Jeter

There's a guy who knows how to do it right.  Never married, never really in a long term relationship...but how many women (famous and otherwise) carry the tag "dated Derek Jeter"?  Ye gods, there's tons of them. 

But still, as I said before, his fidelity...or lack thereof, is between him and his wife.  Maybe she knew, maybe she doesn't care, maybe she does and this is some of the fall out.  Maybe she's a harpy ice queen who won't put out.  Maybe she's the hottest thing going in the sack but he just wants some variety.  Who the heck knows.  I don't pretend to....so, again, let him fuck whoever he wants, wherever he wants so long as what he's doing is between consenting adults.

Or George Clooney. Made the mistake once and learnt he just wasn't cut out for it.

is it in you?

I don't think anyone can guarantee that; so no one gets married?  George Clooney and Derek Jeter are certainly icons that should be respected for living the life.  But for most people, the drive to be married and spend your life with a person you love is much stronger than the drive to get laid by various hot chicks.  Problem is that there are isolated moments of weakness when the latter overwhelms, especially when drugs/alcohol are involved.

You know, you can't drink and drive because the probability of a deadly accident is that much greater.  So drinking and driving is a crime.  For married men, maybe drinking without your wife at a singles bar should be... nevermind. 

Pilferk, right on.  Exactly my thoughts.  "He owes us an explanation..."  FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  He doesn't owe anybody an explanation except his wife.  Fuckin' vultures.

And oh did Elin respond with vengeance with her response to this losers explanation!!! Hahahahahahaha.   :rofl:

What you are describing is the case with most men. It's not as though he had a little too much to drink and slept with a woman once. He slept with multiple women multiple times. That's deception over a long period of time.
He certainly made the choices willingly. If you are going to go the playboy way, the rules are different - don't get married.


I like Elin. The girl's got balls. I can imagine Tiger running from the house, Elin chasing him with a golf club and smashing the rear window of the SUV. He was so scared, he crashed into a fire hydrant.
What a loser.

Apparently, Tiger told a friend, ?I have to run to Zales to get a 'Kobe Special.?

Zales?  Fucking Zales?  Not Tiffany's or what have you, the richest athlete in the world buys his wife diamonds from Zales.  Maybe they're another of his sponsors...

 

Although I agree that what he does in private is his business, it has a far more serious impact. He could lose the endorsement deals that makes him the richest athlete in the world. It will be interesting to see who dumps him first.

But, again...why should I care?  It's not my money, it's his.  Sure, there MIGHT be consequences TO HIM...but then, I can't think of many of his endorsement deals that are for "family friendly" products.  The guy's not a spokesman for Disney.....

I'd be surprised if he loses much, actually.  This isn't like Kobe, where he was accused of rape or some other illegal act. The only "crime" he committed amounts to a speeding ticket.  In terms of the "story", he simply got caught with his pants down.

he won't lose much in endorsements. Nike loves him - they've made a fortune off of him. although i'm guessing they'll stop showing those ads with kids saying "i am tiger woods."  :hihi:

his actual loss is the millions he may be giving his wife. his pre-nup was SOLID, and i think i heard he's making it far more favorable for her, in addition to instant payment of millions. which is kinda funny in so many ways.

these mega stars should go the Gene Simmons route. he's got it all figured out.

the Ryder Cup is like the Woods' mansion...it's where Tiger goes to get beat up by Europeans. heyooooooooo!

i still think this was all bullshit

I think his wife hit him in the head with a golf club which made him semi Concussed

then he was running to his car to get away from her and she broke out the back while he was trying to pull out...then in his semi concussed state, he wrecked...


the fuck is that skinny chick gonna drag a 200lbs guy out of the back of an escalade?

Hahahaha!  :rofl:

Hopefully, Elin will still tell that loser piece of shit to fuck off!  : ok:

Nice Drew.  "Loser piece of shit."  Half the population should be considered "loser pieces of shit" I guess.  Fair enough.

This thread is not about half the population, but about one certain piece of shit! Did you not notice the title heading, Axl4Prez2004?

The tally list is now up to 9 girls!  :rofl:

At Least 9 Women Linked to Tiger Woods in Alleged Affairs

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tiger-woods-women-linked-alleged-affairs/story?id=9270076

I guess I was right:

Gatorade drops Tiger Woods sponsorship (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8403418.stm).

Read the whole article.

They're not dropping his sponsorship deal, or his endorsement deal.  They're eliminating ONE drink (Focus) which, FYI, they advised retailers was going to be pulled about 90 days ago.  I think it's probably hard to draw a parallel, given the time line.  And given the below average sales of the product, I'm not surprised (again, they quote the sales data in the article).  They have a new line of "stuff" launching around superbowl time.

The rest is sort of speculation.  The fact the last prime time commercial aired a little over a week ago and a half ago is slightly misleading.  I've NEVER seen Tiger all that much during prime time, unless a major sporting event was on.  I seem to remember a Tiger commercial this past weekend while watching the Giants/Cowboys game, though.....

I'm not saying you're wrong.  Not yet, anyway.  But I don't think this is really evidence you're right, either.

To me it sounds too coincidental. I think they're saying "We were going to drop it anyway" just to save face.

Then how do you explain them alerting big box retailers about 90 days ago that they'd no longer be able to order the product after mid-December?

This particular article is SPINNING it so you think exactly what you do.  With a wink wink nudge nudge.  But they're not telling you the WHOLE truth.

Ah, I didn't know that. You're right then.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34333483/ns/business-sports_biz/

Slightly better accounting.

I coulda SWORE I saw the Tiger Gilette ad during the Giants/Cowboys game, though.


One thing...I said it was 90 days ago that the big box retailers were told they couldn't order any more.  That's wrong.  It was about 60 days ago.  Mid-October.

The other thing, though...none of that costs Tiger any money, FYI.  He's still getting his endorsement money...til someone officially drops him.

Couple good articles on this subject:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34223570/ns/business-sports_biz/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34242191/ns/business-sports_biz/

Interesting that this story still has such legs.  So many major athletes have had marital indiscretions (Shaquille O'Neal, Michael Jordan, Lance Armstrong, etc.) without even close to this level of attention.  Other than maybe Barack Obama, I don't know who would generate bigger headlines from acts of adultery.

You've got a few things at work here:

1) The sheer NUMBER of apparent "transgressions", and the women coming forward, and the steady stream of info.

2) Tiger's (up til now) pretty squeaky clean public reputation (though he's notorious for being a bastard on the course).

3) The fact no other "scandal du jour" has come to the fore front to replace it.

It's funny I stumbled into this thread at exactly this moment.  Kathy Lee Gifford is currently talking about her disgust and distaste for what is going on.  What's funny is....Frank hasn't exactly always been faithful to Kathy Lee.  There some well documented "transgressions" on his part.  And yet...during all of that...she was supportive and saying he was misunderstood, etc.  Funny, though, when it's someone else involved.

That's what gets me in all this....the hypocrisy. 

Pilferk, your posts on this matter (as in most) have been superbly written.  :beer:
  Hopefully, Kathy Lee's disgust and distaste is rooted in the media's handling of the private matter...if she's throwing stones at Tiger, someone should play back the ol' audio of Frank asking for and getting anal from the airline stewardess back in the day.  ;)
Tiger fucked around on his wife, holy shit!  Really, who gives a fuck?  Did he encourage other people to engage in this bad behavior?  Not that I'm aware of.  Is it a personal matter?  Hell yes.  Is GatorAde or Nike going to dump him?  Hell no.  If they do, they are pretty fucking stupid...but they won't, because they're not stupid.

btw, other golfers are starting to realize why this is very bad news for them...when Tiger plays, the ratings go way up.  Without Tiger (now that Tiger has gone on an indefinite leave from golf to work on his marriage) there will be less money/less ads/less spectators/etc./etc.  The man has dominated the sport of golf like no man in the history of golf. 

Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, etc., the list goes on and on.  All the greatest athletes have, do, and will fuck around.  It doesn't make it right, but it doesn't make me appreciate these athletes any less.  Personal respect, sure.  He definitely takes a hit there.  The guy's been known as virtually super-human for the past decade...but as we get older, we learn that nobody's perfect.   :peace: 

Look's like he's going to take some time off now and hide!  :rofl:

Didn't how he came out very quickly to say how all of these reports were malicious attacks on him and how denied such acts, and they were all untrue. Now, he's got shit on his face and rightfully so. He thought he could use his "power" and bully his way to make all of this go away. Well, this asshole proved to be WRONG!

The PGA survived before him, and they could survive he he disappeared forever!

Hopefully, Elin is on her way out and dumps this jerk-off for good!

Sorry Drew, part of what you said is bullshit.  This part in particular from you, "denied such acts, and they were all untrue."
Show me the proof.  Give me the source.  If not, admit you're wrong like a man.

Sorry Axl4Prez2004, why don't you first get your facts straight and now apologize to me! You shot off your mouth before reading the statement this asshole released. Now, let's see if you'll take your own advice and be a man, and apologize.

Part of the statement released, reads as followed:

This is a private matter and I want to keep it that way. Although I understand there is curiosity, the many false, unfounded and malicious rumors that are currently circulating about my family and me are irresponsible.

Source: http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/tiger-releases-statement

No, she was basically calling Tiger a scum bag, saying she really didn't like him.  Feeling sorry for the wife and saying she shouldn't put up with it.  You know...all the things she DIDN'T say when it was Frank.

Um, I can't recall Tiger denying anything about the affairs (his denial was specifically referring to any claims of physical abuse or his wife attacking him with a golf club). 

He admitted to the "transgressions" as soon as the first 2 women came out with their stories.  And admitted it again, in more detail, the other day.

Again I say: So what.   Man cheated on his wife.  Not my business, and, really, not my concern.  It's not my marriage, or my life.  And it's not anything all that unusual. 

You might want to investigate the context of the quote and not read it in the midst of tabloid spin.  He was talking about the rumors that there was physical violence involved in the accident, specifically that he and his wife had a physical altercation, and she was coming after him with a golf club.  THAT was the rumor circulating widely the day after the report (and when he made his statment).   

I believe the rumors of his infidelity started coming out first, and than the rumors of domestic abuse and why she went ballistic on him.

Take his last statement where he admits his transgressions. He knew from the very beginning what he had done was now out and public information and there was no way he could bully his way out of it and make it go away.

Another source from USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/2009-11-29-woods-crash-probe_N.htm?imw=Y&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Usatoday-MostViewedArticles+%28USATODAY.com%3A+Most+Popular%29

And another source from ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wirestory?id=9213218&page=3

And another source from ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=4698237&campaign=rss&source=GOLFHeadlines

And another source from Inside Golf:
http://www.insidegolf.ca/content/view/109028/424/

Shall I continue?

pilferk, you continue to acknowledge you don't care, it's none of your business, nor your concern, yet you still show that you seem to care a lot.

Drew, you just don't get it do you?  You seriously refuse to acknowledge Pilferk's and my own reasoning (which is correct).  Tiger didn't lie and he didn't deny the affairs, the affairs hadn't even come out yet!  Even when the affairs came to light he didn't deny them.  Go buy a fucking clue. 

You should be a reporter for Fox News dude.    : ok:

How am I refusing to acknowledge anything?

Reports of the affair with Rachel Uchitel were circulating before the Thanksgiving incident. How long did it take him to confess his affairs? How many statements did he release before he came clean? He was hoping it would all blow over but it didn't. He knew what the rumors were and instead of being honest, he attacked everyone else instead! Did he really think that there were just rumors of domestic abuse?

How about you go by yourself a fucking clue! Why is my reasoning so far fetched. You take this jerk as some innocent clueless fool of what's going on in his own life.

Go back to your job at the U.N. spreading lies with your corrupt, hypocritical phonies!  : ok:

Note every single source says "may have involved" when referencing his comments.

Of course, they ignore the fact they also very well "may have involved" the rumors that there was a domestic incident surrounding the crash, rampant illegal drug use, attempted battery, and a host of other things.  You know, the far more prevalent rumors circulating the day of the crash.  Because, of course, that would be the less sensational assumption.

You want to convince yourself that he was lying...more power to you.   But it's pretty easy to see the logic and reasoning behind the contrary.  You've yet to provide any real evidence that he absolutely was referring to the rumors YOU think he was...and it's not like you can read the guys mind. 


How so?  Because I'm discussing how it's really not all that big a story, really not all that important to anyone, and doesn't effect anyone else's life?

I don't care whether he did it, or didn't do it.  That's not nearly the same thing as being willing to discuss the issue especially in terms of the way the media has taken to handling it like it's a national crisis.  He cheated.  Lots of guys do.  That's between them and their wives.   Should it be a national story whenever it happens? 

There were LOTS of rumors out there.  The infidelity rumors were just one set of them and, at that point, the less prevalent and less credible ones.  Thus, it's perfectly acceptable to address the rumors the way he did.  Yes, there was one set that was true...but given the fact the statement concerned the crash, and the infidelity rumors really....don't.  They didn't directly cause the crash.  There were at least 3 sets that we know, now, were not true, and they all WERE directly related potential causes of the crash. 

Your argument is circular.  Because if he came out and said "All the rumors are true", wouldn't he likewise have been lying?  Becuase a good chunk of them (most, I would say) were not.

Was he telling the entire truth?  No...he was being vague, as most celebrities are when crafting PR statements in matters like this.  Again...so what?  Are they obligated to share every single intimate detail of their lives and lay out, step by step, to anyone interested their every waking and living moment? 


Ahh yes..rather than craft a coherent arguemnt, decent to hostile personal attacks.  That's the way to make your case.... ::)

Now your showing your hypocrisy. You point out a comment I made to use against me but nothing was said of Axl4Prez2004's attack? I guess his comment was a craft, coherent argument and not a decent to hostile personal attacks.

I'm sorry, I can't just sit back and beleive that this guy was only relating to "false" and "malicious" rumors solely about a car wreck he had.

Tiger Woods Wife Outrun - The Game:

http://www.break.com/games/tiger-woods-wife-outrun.html (http://www.break.com/games/tiger-woods-wife-outrun.html)

My high score was 100.

Accenture ends Tiger Woods sponsorship deal (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8411091.stm)

The giant management consultancy firm Accenture has ended its sponsorship of Tiger Woods, saying the golfer is "no longer the right representative".

Woods has been engulfed in a media storm since a disturbance outside his house two weeks ago. He has since admitted being unfaithful to his wife.

Woods is taking an indefinite break from golf to try to save his marriage.

Accenture is the second sponsor to react to the news. Gillette has already said it would cut back Woods' role.

"For the past six years, Accenture and Tiger Woods have had a very successful sponsorship arrangement and his achievements on the golf course have been a powerful metaphor for business success in Accenture's advertising," the company said in a statement.

"However, given the circumstances of the last two weeks, after careful consideration and analysis, the company has determined that he is no longer the right representative for its advertising.

Accenture said that "it wishes only the best for Tiger Woods and his family".

"Accenture has made a decision to not continue with their sponsorship. We are disappointed but respect their decision," said Mark Steinberg, Woods' agent.

One analyst said that the problem for advertisers was not only Woods' image, but also the fact that he is not active in the sport at present.

Accenture "had tied everything in their campaign to Tiger Woods," Rick Burton, a professor of sports management at Syracuse University, told the Associated Press.

"If he's not golfing, those ads don't make sense."

Billion dollars

Among his other sponsors, the US phone firm AT&T has said it is "presently evaluating our ongoing relationship" with Woods, but his main sponsor Nike said it was standing firm and offered him its "full support".

Until the scandal broke, Woods was one of the biggest targets for global corporations. Links with an array of brands - also including Electronic Arts video games, Gatorade drinks, and Tag Heuer watches - have helped him amass a fortune.

The Associated Press says he is believed to be the first sports star to have earned $1bn (?600m).
   
Woods, 33, is considered one of the best golfers of all time and was thought by many experts to be likely to overhaul Jack Nicklaus' record of 18 major championship victories.

He has won 14 so far, but BBC golf commentator Peter Alliss believes it is possible he will not play again.

"He's going to have to put up with a lot of nonsense and ridicule and comment for the next 20 to 30 years and it depends how well he tackles that," he said.

"He's in a very, nasty awkward position of his own making, I'm afraid.

"You have to wonder about all sorts of things that we're not privy to - his state of mind, whether he wants to continue, whether he's thinking of early retirement."

The storm blew up after Woods crashed his car into a fire hydrant and a tree outside his Florida home at the end of November.

Rumours of an argument in the Woods household led to media allegations about extra-marital affairs. Lurid headlines have linked him to a string of women.

On Friday, Woods admitted for the first time that he had been unfaithful to his wife Elin.

"I am deeply aware of the disappointment and hurt that my infidelity has caused to so many people, most of all my wife and children," said Woods in a statement.

If i were Tiger, I'd fucking play and tell everyone to fuck off Kobe style.

its still nobodies business

People can judge tiger all they want, but I bet temptation when u are that rich and famous is a motherfucker and his wife probably quit giving it up.


I support tiger Woods 100 percent.

^ Apparently, it's not up to him. His wife has 'banned' him from playing until she and the kids can be with him full time. ;)

Id just divorce her. Its obvious he has no love or respect for her.

he better have one hell of a prenup though.

I always have a rule. I'd never cheat, but I think if u cheat, u should at least cheat up..... meaning hotter than what u are with.

look at some of these cows and skanks he was banging... crazy shit

He could divorce her and he has a prenup, but he's afraid of losing the kids. That's the only problem for him. I agree he is a stupid idiot though. Some of the women do look like cows, some are porn stars and it seems he never used protection with anybody. Eewww. :puke:

Since you didn't quote anyone, I wasn't exactly sure who you were replying to.  So I thought the comment may have been directed toward me...thus the reason I commented on it.

I know Axl4Prez's comments were not directed at me....so I leave you to fight your own battles.   

The one endorsement deal (and one I had no clue about...and have never seen an ad for) that makes sense for him to lose.  Remember, earlier, when I said nobody was advertising based on his character?  I was wrong.  After seeing this companies ads over the past day or two (since the announcement), I guess there was one!  It's a pretty minor deal in the empire, from the sounds of things....though what's funny is that apparently this firm has doubled it's business since signing and using Tiger in their ads.

And Gatorade, Nike, Gillette, and others are still sticking with him. Gillette is not going to use him until he's golfing again (which makes sense, really...though I'm sure people will view that as an "excuse").  Until the BIG sponsors (and AT&T still might go that way) start dropping him....he's not losing all that much.

I agree, to a point.  IF Tiger wants to play, he should do exactly what you propose.  IF Tiger doesn't want to play, and really wants to work on his family situation, then he should.  "Personal Reasons" have been used as a reason for golfers to leave the tour for a period of time before.  This doesn't seem to be any different, to me.

I support Tiger's right to have a private life, and make his own decisions, without the burden of the media circus, 100%.

Again, his life, his decisions.  If that "banning" holds sway with him, then so be it.  It wouldn't with me, but I'm not Tiger.

IF the rumor is true, that is.

Accenture is one of the big ones, along with AT&T. It's a major outsourcing firm active in India and other countries, which is why you must not have heard about it. All their ads revolve around him, all their office buildings are covered with gigantic Tiger Woods posters.  Even their service marks are: "Go on, be a Tiger" and "We know what it takes to be a Tiger". I'm assuming that endorsement was worth quite a bit. For Nike, it's not a big deal because it's only one sport that they sponsor affected. They have similar huge deals with other stars in almost all major sports, so they can afford to put up with him. Not the case with Accenture.


It will hold sway, since she undoubtedly has the control over his children. Again, YES, I know, it's not your decision etc., I was just posting what has been reported.

My quantification of "big" is in terms of relative value of the endorsement.  The reports I've read peg this one as "minor" in terms of financial worth...right around $80 million TOTAL value for their 8 year contract (which they've chose to end after 6 years).  Compare that to a few 5 year, 100  million contracts, a number of 4 year 80+ million dollar contracts, Gillette's $15 million annual deal, etc...and it looks "small" in comparison.



Well, ultimately the U.S. courts hold control over his children.....at least in terms of any custody dispute.  And she can't legally deny him access without cause (and so far, we haven't heard of any good one, yet...philandering isn't grounds for denial of custody).  But yes, it's a fine balancing beam to walk. 

Again, it's his choice.  And provided he's doing what he thinks is best....I'm not going to second guess him.  I just wouldn't do the  same thing, and certainly not for the rumored reason.  But that's rather the point. He should be allowed to do whatever it is he thinks he needs to without the media circus following him around while he's doing it.

OK, time for a bit of a rant...and keep in mind, this isn't directed at anyone in particular:

To be very clear:  The loss of endorsements...THAT'S a story. It pertains to his celebrity and his game, directly. It's basically discussing his business dealings, which are certainly fair public fodder.  Ditto on the story of him not playing golf.  Yes, some cursory discussion of the "why" is necessary for context. 

What he chooses to do around his relationship, his family, and his kids...that's the part that shouldn't be anyone else's business but his.  Those things are private...and it's getting sadder and sadder to watch our media just obliterate any semblance of privacy when it comes to celebrities (and it's not just Tiger) Does anyone think this is remotely a story if the person in question is a mail man, or a construction worker, or some desk jockey/low level exec?  Of course not!  Nobody cares except those directly involved in it.  The minute it's anyone with any notoriety...BLAMO...it's a story. And the more famous they are, the bigger the story.  Because people want to be a fly on the wall in every famous person's bed room, bathroom, hotel room, etc.  I find that...distasteful...to some extent.  Make no mistake..what they do in PUBLIC (say, getting sloppy drunk at that posh LA night club) is fair game.  I GET that kind of voyeurism from the public.  But this....honestly, I don't want to know the gory details of his marriage.  I don't feel like I have the RIGHT to KNOW the gory details of his marriage.  And by being inundated by it, at every turn, on every sports talk show, every news broadcast, every news home page.....it makes me feel "icky" hearing it all.    Tiger cheated.  There will be some fallout (not playing golf, some endorsement fall out, etc).  Beyond that....the rest feels tawdry.

OK...sorry about that hijack...rant over.

Let's see, my comments were posted right after Axl4Prez2004. Everything I mentioned was in regard to his previous post. How were you not exactly sure?

Because you didn't make it obvious, obviously. 

Than I guess you just need to read more careful next time so you don't jump to a wrong conclusion as you did this time in thinking a comment was directed at you.


Hahahahaha  :rofl:

I got a 64 without doing anything. I jsut waiting for her to catch his so she could beat the shit out of him!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Or, perhaps when you're responding to a particular poster...you should quote them, so it's clear who you're talking to.  That's pretty standard "netiquette"...especially when you're engaging in 2 different conversations, with 2 different posters, at the same time.  Or you can be lazy, and deal with the fallout....no skin off my nose, either way.

You know what they say:  The author is always responsible for the misconceptions of the reader. 

It would have been proper etiquette on your part to read the previous post before my comment and you would have clearly seen I was responding to a personal attack directed at me by Axl4Prez.

Guess Tiger doesn't have anything on a Bengal though....


Chris Henry's fiancee.. FUCK, stop the truck, shit

Actually, there's no onus in netiquette to read every post in the thread.  Again, the onus on you is to be clear.  You may choose to be lazy, and shirk that responsibility, but then it's on you to deal with the fallout.  YOU were carrying on two different conversations in the span of a few posts.  I was only engaged in my part of it.  I have no responsibility to engage in every "conversation" you hold....

You can wiggle and worm all you want, but at the end of the day...YOU made the mistake.  Argue the contrary all you like, but....it makes you no less wrong.  It's really not a big deal...and I explained my confusion and was perfectly happy to move on.   Yet you seem to want to argue and belabor the point....instead of just accepting what happened and move on.

Simple solution:  Quote who you're responding to.  That's why the button is there.  And if you choose not to use it, and you confuse your readers, admit your mistake, clarify, and move on.  It's very simple...but you want to turn it into an epic argument spanning pages of the thread.

Anyway, my point's made and now we're just going in circles...which is about as pointless as the media following Tiger's private life.

Edit:

Just in order to demonstrate the confusion:

This:

ran directly into this


Surely you can see the possible segue, here.  Yes, reading it NOW, after you've clarified, it's obvious it was directed elsewhere.  But not being inside your head (and I'm not....I promise), you can see...reading the context and end of your first post which addressed me (and I assumed was directed to me), that there is a potential easy segue between them. 

And if not...well, I can.  I trust others can (I just ran it by the wife litmus, and she sees it, too).  And ultimately, that's really what counts...

Axl4Prez2004 post:


Followed by my reply directly after his, 23 minutes later:


Somehow you fail not to be able to to relate these two post together and assumed that I was talking to you. If you want me to quote who I'm talking to in the future than maybe you should also read more carefully before you you take offense at someone's comment that may not even be directed at you in the first place. If you would have done this, you would have clearly seen my comment was not directed at you. You can wiggle and worm all you want.

With the list of women continuing to climb, all the emails and text messages coming out, and payouts that were offered to keep quite, this is certainly going to get more and more embarrassing for Humpty Dimpty!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Elin Nordegren, will file for divorce, sources say

By Carlos Frias

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Updated: 9:17 p.m. Wednesday, Dec. 16, 2009

On the day golfer Tiger Woods reached yet another sporting summit, word came that his personal life might have hit bottom.

Woods was named Athlete of the Decade by The Associated Press on Wednesday while several media outlets were quoting unnamed sources saying that his wife, Elin Nordegren, will be filing for divorce in the wake of his confessed infidelity.

"She plans to leave Tiger," one source told People magazine in the issue due out Friday.

Another source told the magazine: "She's made up her mind. There's nothing to think about: He's never going to change."

ABC News and NBC News also posted online stories from unidentified sources, purportedly close to Woods and Nordegren, who echoed the sentiment.

"Divorce is 100 percent," one source told ABC. "She's not rushing to divorce. She's going to take her sweet time. She wants all the dirty laundry to be out on the table before she signs anything."

The frenzy over Woods' numerous liaisons, first reported by The National Enquirer, has leaped from the sports page to the front page, eclipsing any news surrounding his sport, which is in its off-season.

Over the last 10 years, Woods has dominated golf in a manner that is unsurpassed. He won 64 times around the world, including 12 major tournaments. Overall, he has 14 major titles, four short of the record held by Jack Nicklaus.

On the PGA Tour, Woods won 56 times, an unprecedented rate of 30 percent. He spent all but 32 weeks ? a stretch during which he reworked his swing ? ranked as the world's No. 1.

The AP vote honoring him was conducted over a period of several weeks. More than half of the 142 ballots were submitted after Woods' Nov. 27 car accident, which ignited the firestorm of publicity regarding his personal problems.

Now, even his astounding accomplishments on the course could be questioned. A Canadian doctor who assisted in Woods' rehabilitation from knee surgery is being investigated by the FBI for allegedly selling performance-enhancing drugs to athletes, according to a story in The New York Times.

Dr. Anthony Galea told the newspaper he did not treat Woods with human growth hormone (HGH). He said he helped Woods' recovery only with a legal, cutting-edge therapy using Woods' own blood.

An assistant of Galea's was stopped by border officers in September and found carrying the doctor's bag, which authorities said contained HGH and another drug that is illegal to sell or bring into the United States.

ESPN, citing court documents, wrote that Galea told his assistant to bring in the drugs because Galea had already been flagged in the past.

All of it ? Woods' philandering and his association with the controversial doctor ? have served to shatter a splendid image, divide a family that includes two young children and overshadow a decade in which Woods won nearly $82 million on the PGA Tour.

Earnings that now apparently will be divided with his spouse.

Source: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/golf/tiger-woods-wife-elin-nordegren-will-file-for-125588.html?cxtype=ynews_rss

This is getting ridiculous.  ::)
Why doesn't he just put up a list of the women he slept with on his website? It'll save everyone the trouble of reading the same thing every week.

I think all of us know or have known guys who are how shall I say it...popular with the ladies?  I'm willing to bet he may not even know how many chicks he banged over the past several years. 

They will obviously be divorcing.  I'm sure they'll eventually agree on a custody/visitation agreement where the kids will be with her, and he'll have fairly open visitation...to Scandinavia!  Maybe HTGTH can grab an interview when he's in town. :)

The endorsements will be predictable.  Accenture was predictable because the campaign was completely character-based.  His super-human golf skills will ensure he maintains more than half of his endorsement empire...think about it, Gilette?  "The best a man can get?"  Show me a men's razor blade commercial that isn't built around relating to men's egos.  "Man looks at mirror all scruffy...man sees hot as fuck chick watching him...man shaves face, makes it smooth...hot chick gets wet just watching and can't wait to stroke his supple face."  Wow, Gilette will be so ashamed to have a guy who is very successful with the ladies endorsing their product.   ::)

I just can't wait for the return to the game.  He is going to be focused like a madman on the course!  The whole affair thing makes sense.  Have any of you ever noticed that when a great athlete gets married, their game goes downhill?  Tiger was able to be married and continue his dominance on the course...basically because he was still behaving like he was single.   ;D

Good for Elin.

lets keep this shit in perspective... it isn't like he raped somebody


Cheating is bad but really, this is the 21st century.. who gives a shit


The President cheated so how come an athlete can't?

AT&T ends sponsorship of Tiger Woods

By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer

NEW YORK (AP)?AT&T Inc. said Thursday it would no longer sponsor Tiger Woods, joining Accenture and Gillette in dropping support for the golfer after he admitted to infidelity following numerous allegations.

The phone company hasn?t used Woods? image extensively in advertising, but its logo appeared on his golf bag, and he was the host of the AT&T National PGA event. The phone company said it would continue to sponsor the event, which will be held in Bethesda, Maryland, in July.

AT&T did not comment on its reasons for dropping Woods, or how much the contract was worth. Woods has taken an indefinite leave from playing.

Consulting firm Accenture dropped the athlete two weeks ago, saying he was ?no longer the right representative? of the company?s values. Gillette, a unit of the Procter & Gamble Co., said that it won?t air ads that feature Woods promoting its razors or include him in public appearances.

Swiss watch maker Tag Heuer, a unit of luxury goods empire LVMH Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton, said Friday that it will ?downscale? its use of golfer Tiger Woods? image in its advertising campaigns for the foreseeable future.

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=ap-att-tigerwoods&prov=ap&type=lgns

ESPN reported but hasn't confirmed it yet, that Tiger is at the Pine Grove Behavioral Health and Addiction Service clinic in Hattiesburg, Mississippi getting help now.  :rofl:

I saw this a few days ago on espn. Sex addiction my ass. He's just a rich douchebag that got caught with his pants down who thought he could get away with it cause he's worth millions.

If I was Tiger, I'd push through the divorce asap, sort out the sponsors then get back to doing what he does best. He's had some bad life experience and made alot of mistakes. Just man up to it, and move on

Noone is a saint at the end of the day.

he's got kids though. and if they get divorced she probably takes the kids to Nordic land.

i have no idea how involved he is or how good/bad of a dad he is, but i'm assuming he's going through all the reconciliation efforts in large part because he wants his kids in his life full time.   

Absolutely Sandman.  He fucked up big time.  He knows it...everybody knows it. 
I can't imagine being in that situation. 

the circus continues tomorrow. interesting time to make the statement. i would love to see Tiger make a statement like Joe T...

"God wants Joe Theismann to be happy."

I said it b4, I'll say it again, he doesn't owe anybody an apology except for his family, period.

The press conference b.s. is just that, b.s.  It's business b.s.

I fully expect him to say he's going on hiatus...he'll be working on what's most important, his family.
Media jackals will dog on him.  If he goes away for a while to just rebuild his marriage it may give the a-hole vultures in the media time to find the next celeb who fucks up.

It's a no-win situation for Tiger...and no, I don't pity him.  I do think it's much a-do about nothing.  He didn't lie to any one of us mo-fo's.  He lied to his wife...he cheated on his wife, which last time I checked is something a majority of men do, and almost a majority of women do to their husbands.  I could give a fuck.  All I know, is that golf is unwatchable when the greatest golfer ever is not playing.  Fuck, maybe if Phil's in contention I'd watch, but without Tiger it's borrrring.

Howard Stern is having a Tiger Woods Mistress Beauty Pageant on his show on March 10th.  The prize for the pageant is $100,000 and is sponsored by www.ashleymadison.com.  A common sponsor on the show, Ashley Madison is the online personals & dating destination for casual encounters, married dating, secret romance and adult fantasy.

http://www.tmz.com/tag/howard+stern+beauty+pageant/

We've learned one of Rachel's friends is approaching Howard's people today, asking that a cardboard version of Rachel in various states of dress could compete against the other living, breathing contestants for the $100,000 prize.

Howard announced today he has 4 live mistresses signed up ... so far. But he's not saying who. We're thinking even a cardboard Rachel could beat a toothless Jaimee Grubbs or a shameless Joslyn James.

The Tiger Woods Beauty Pageant was just held on none other than "The Howard Stern Show".  There were 3 contestants, a 4th (Joslyn James) dropped out earlier today.  Rachel Uchitel wanted to participate but wasn't allowed due to some confidentiality agreement she had signed. 

There were even odds posted for the event.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/09/howard-stern-tiger-woods_n_491723.html

Now to the results.  Loredana Jolie came in 3rd winning $5,000 and a new plasma TV, basically because she was a professional "escort".  Jamiee Grubbs and Jaimee Jungers were neck and neck, as the judges felt they both were normal girls who got swept up in the whole thing and actually fell for Tiger.  Jamiee Grubbs got 2nd place, $15,000 and was "kind of bummed".  Jaimee Jungers tearfully accepted the honor of Miss Tiger Woods Mistress Beauty Pageant winner, winning $75,000.  The whole event was sponsored by www.ashleymadison.com, a dating site for married people and people in committed relationships.

There was also a small press conference afterwards that Jaimee Grubbs declined to take part in.  Access Hollywood, Inside Edition, Extra, NY Daily News, Sports Illustrated, The Huffington Post, and AOL Popeater were part of the press conference.

I can't wait for the Masters.  Fuck the haters, I just want to watch golf again!  I can't wait to watch Tiger play.  Golf is unwatchable without the best playing...

this is what it must have been like for fans when Ted Williams went to fight in World War 2...like when Muhammad Ali was barred from fighting due to being a conscientious objector...like Jordan leaving the NBA to play baseball...like Axl disappearing for years on end...it just isn't the same when the greatest in the game aren't out there. 

I can't wait!   :beer: