GnR at Westlemania XX - from WWE newsletter

[PS_PoWeR]

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_7131.shtml

There is the latest news on GNR. No band news, but one of the WMXX sponsors is Gibson Guitars! Let the completely bored GNR rumor spreaders start! :p

Also, just would like you to know that the REAL official WWE newsletter is being sent to me, and the latest one has no sign of GNR whatsoever.

Let's forget this rumor even started....and forget the next one before it even begins....

[R4tfink]

I don't know where you guys got this idea that WM is watched by millions of people.  Someone said 20-30 million?  

I e-mailed Dave Meltzer on the subject and he gave me last years number--560,000 buys.  It goes to show that Wrestlemania isn't nearly as watched as some here think.  

Also, IMO, GNR should not do WM.  I don't care if Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock did it.  I don't want GNR to emulate Limp Bizkit.  

Thats buys dude! And probably American Buys...it is screened all over the world to millions of people on terrestrial or cable TV free of charge.


GNR never emulated anyone. Never have and never will.

So you would rather wait until RIR4 to hear Guns or see them in 32 days time?

Ok fair enough.

[younggunner]

560,000 buys

Now lets say at the minimumn 100,000 peopel are so impressed they buy the new album. Thats a nice boost dont ya think. And it could be even more

[Hung Well]

I don't know where you guys got this idea that WM is watched by millions of people.  Someone said 20-30 million?  

I e-mailed Dave Meltzer on the subject and he gave me last years number--560,000 buys.  It goes to show that Wrestlemania isn't nearly as watched as some here think.  

Also, IMO, GNR should not do WM.  I don't care if Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock did it.  I don't want GNR to emulate Limp Bizkit.  

Thats buys dude! And probably American Buys...it is screened all over the world to millions of people on terrestrial or cable TV free of charge.


GNR never emulated anyone. Never have and never will.

So you would rather wait until RIR4 to hear Guns or see them in 32 days time?

Ok fair enough.

Yes, it is US buys.  However, I don't think 20 million people saw WM.  It's not the Super Bowl, Oscar's, World Series, or anything close to those events as some here would imply.  It's also low brow entertainment with a huge negative stigma.  GNR already has a negative stigma, they don't need to add to it.


younggunner,

I think you are being extremely optimistic in saying that 1/5 of the audience would buy Chinese Democracy because of one performance.  Extremely.

[Borat]

WrestleMania X8 drew 850,000 buys, this is WrestleMania XX, it's already been hyped for months if it doesnt draw that then I'll be utterly shocked. Then you need to take into account those watching around the world either on a live feed, a delayed ahowing or on their own recording. Then the official DVD and VHS release 4 months later. Add to that any news coverage, publicity and word-of-mouth...
'hey I was watching Wrestlemania and guns and roses were on'
'I thought they packed it in years ago'
'no they played a new song and it was pretty good, they were promoting a new album'
'excellent, ill have to check that out'

Yes 20 million is an exageration...but again I didn't see the superbowl but ive heard enough janet jackson to last me a while.

[pilferk]

I don't know where you guys got this idea that WM is watched by millions of people.  Someone said 20-30 million?  

I e-mailed Dave Meltzer on the subject and he gave me last years number--560,000 buys.  It goes to show that Wrestlemania isn't nearly as watched as some here think.  

Also, IMO, GNR should not do WM.  I don't care if Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock did it.  I don't want GNR to emulate Limp Bizkit.  

Meltzer, FYI, is mistaken.  They did 875,000 domestic buys last year, breaking the record of 850,000 at WM X8.  That's taken from company filed SEC reports, FYI, so lying could get them in mucho trouble..

Also, on top of those 875,000 domestic buys, there was around another 100k (I'll look for the exact number) from the bar/pub/restuarant package...  So, you've got almost a million buys, 100k of which contributed probably 2 mllion viewers (at least...20 people per establishment x 100k).  Now, WM is also not something you watch alone.  Usually, there is more than one viewer per "buy".  Now, I figure we can be conservative and guesstimate 3 viewers per buy...3 x 875k = about another 2.5 million viewers.  That leaves us with about 4.5 to 5 million viewers conservatively, in the U.S. alone....that' s a pretty widely watched event, even by conservative estimates.  Add even 2/3 more for the rest of the world, and now, globally, you're at about 8 million viewers...That's a pretty big audience to get your hands on.

Edit: In looking for the package sub numbers, I've found 3 different ones reported by different sources.  Essentially between 50k and 100k.  I'll stick with the 100k above, but it may be a bit "high".  Still, with the 20 people estimate most likely being low, it prolly all works out in the end.

[Hung Well]

I don't know where you guys got this idea that WM is watched by millions of people.  Someone said 20-30 million?  

I e-mailed Dave Meltzer on the subject and he gave me last years number--560,000 buys.  It goes to show that Wrestlemania isn't nearly as watched as some here think.  

Also, IMO, GNR should not do WM.  I don't care if Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock did it.  I don't want GNR to emulate Limp Bizkit.  

Meltzer, FYI, is mistaken.  They did 875,000 domestic buys last year, breaking the record of 850,000 at WM X8.  That's taken from company filed SEC reports, FYI, so lying could get them in mucho trouble..

Also, on top of those 875,000 domestic buys, there was around another 100k (I'll look for the exact number) from the bar/pub/restuarant package...  So, you've got almost a million buys, 100k of which contributed probably 2 mllion viewers (at least...20 people per establishment x 100k).  Now, WM is also not something you watch alone.  Usually, there is more than one viewer per "buy".  Now, I figure we can be conservative and guesstimate 3 viewers per buy...3 x 875k = about another 2.5 million viewers.  That leaves us with about 4.5 to 5 million viewers conservatively, in the U.S. alone....that' s a pretty widely watched event, even by conservative estimates.  Add even 2/3 more for the rest of the world, and now, globally, you're at about 8 million viewers...That's a pretty big audience to get your hands on.

Edit: In looking for the package sub numbers, I've found 3 different ones reported by different sources.  Essentially between 50k and 100k.  I'll stick with the 100k above, but it may be a bit "high".  Still, with the 20 people estimate most likely being low, it prolly all works out in the end.

Let's say your 8 million worldwide viewers number is accurate.  That's a lot of people to be watching a PPV event, but it's still nowhere near Super Bowl, World Cup, Olympics, World Series, NBA Finals, etc as some here would believe.  Not even in the same galaxy.

I'm pretty sure a few million people saw an episode of the Surreal Life starring Vince Neil and Vanilla Ice, but I surely wouldn't want Axl to appear on the next version.  Not to say performing at WM is as low brow and desperate as appearing on a show like that, but there is somewhere you have to draw the line.

[PS_PoWeR]

This may mean nothing, but take a look at Stacy Keibler's outfit.

[grog mug]

Is this show live? I just saw the same thing, and Wrestlemania is yet to confirm ANY bands.  Is something going on or what?  I think there is a strong possibility of them performing considering this is set up somewhat like the 2002 VMA's were.

[PS_PoWeR]

This is the newest episode filmed today in New York, where the wrestlers are for WMXX at MSG. I'm catching the 1:00AM replay though because someone told me Stacy was wearing a Guns N' Roses shirt!

[PS_PoWeR]

[SLCPUNK]

Well if she started whistling "patience" that would be an even better sign.

[slashsaxl]

nice..fuckin nice, i always dreamed of her long legs wrapped around me, now she's wearing a gnr t-shirt...

life gets better with each breath


rock n' roll

[D]

ive not gave up on this, guess ill find out tomorrow night

WWE always have a theme song, they usually have some sort of musical act stacy kiebler wearing a GNR shirt? coincidental? we will find out in just over 15 hours!

[kockstar99]

the other guy is wearing a Black Label Society shirt... does this mean that they will open for GnR?

Me thinks its coincidence... Something this big would have leaked...

[Rocket_queen125]

hey did you also notice that gnr bandmembers message boards are down so maybe they had them closed to help prevent a leak just a thought cause i couldnt get into buckets nor dizzys lata

[Lineker10]

That seems like pretty thin evidence to me, when are bands usually announced for WM? Mysteron - any information about this.

[kockstar99]

I just got into bucketheads board....

[kockstar99]

I cant open Dizzys....anyone else?

[axls#2]

hot damn.. even if it's just speculation I thank the poster for his pics of the lovely ladies. Who's the other chick? haven't watched wrestling in awhile.