Fall to Pieces video now at Launch.com

[badgirl]

"doing things that men usually do, or doing things that people say women shouldn't?"

those tend to be one and the same. i wish there were women today who were more like Janis Joplin. that was a very different time.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Public perception of Xtina is that while she has terrible taste in clothes, she speaks for young women and does not portray the virgin/tramp aura a la Britney.

No, just straight tramp.?

You make this judgement of her based on her clothing style, or what?? I'm curious.? Do you disapprove of it? Perhaps you agree with Wendy Shalit's ideas for young women in 'A Return to Modesty'....

I don't know what public perception you are referring to, but just your belief that Xtina is some kind of young, feminist icon

So give me an example of a "young, feminist icon" from your perspective, then.? Is there a modern day Susan B. Anthony running around making herself heard?? And do women support her, or call her names such as "uneducated fool"??

just shows how far apart your ideology is from mine.?

In my extravagant, overblown analysis of the video, I stated that we need to seek equality on both ends with regards to the two scenes I compared of Duff/Scott and Matt.? So that's my ideology, and your's appears to be the typical silent suffering of women who would like a better world, but continue to implicitly support the current status quo.

[Skeletor]

Here's a guy, so far not overly impressed by VR's efforts, saying: what an awesome vid!?

Im sure theres only a relatively small number of people who find two girls kissing lame/uncool, especially when the scope of it is as small and trivial as the scene were discussing.

Speak for yourself, I think you're twisting the truth to fit your own perceptions. You are right about the scene being fairly trivial, though.

[Freya]

So give me an example of a "young, feminist icon" from your perspective, then.  Is there a modern day Susan B. Anthony running around making herself heard?  And do women support her, or call her names such as "uneducated fool"? 

First of all, this is getting way off topic, and do I really have to define "feminist icon" on a gnr board?  But you asked.  Obviously there are icons that cover the gamut.  From Dorothy Parker to Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  If you want to talk about a feminist icon in music?  How about Kathleen Hanna? 

You make this judgement of her based on her clothing style, or what?  I'm curious.  Do you disapprove of it? Perhaps you agree with Wendy Shalit's ideas for young women in 'A Return to Modesty'....

No.  The thing is this, what CA and many other younger artists like her, try to do is emulate older icons like Madonna, Debbie Harry, etc., by being provocative but without any artistic or political merit.  Madonna pushed a lot of boundaries with women's sexuality and gay issues, and that was shocking then, it's not taboo now.  CA tries to do it, but just short of the side where she is non-threatening and sexually appealing to men.  Which is fine, if that is what she wants, but don't walk around stating that you're a "strong female" because you dry humped in a video.  It's completely hollow.  And I called her uneducated, because I've heard her speak, and found her somewhat ignorant.  That's what happens when you pull your kids out of school to join the MMC. 

Topic?  The VR video is pretty good, better than the song is.  But that one part is lame, and Sorum is cringe inducing. 

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Topic? 

but of course.

The VR video is pretty good, better than the song is.  But that one part is lame, and Sorum is cringe inducing. 

In fact, if you read my earlier posts, you will notice I said the exact same thing.      It was the tired statements about women's issues that irritated me.

No.  The thing is this, what CA and many other younger artists like her, try to do is emulate older icons like Madonna, Debbie Harry, etc., by being provocative but without any artistic or political merit.  Madonna pushed a lot of boundaries with women's sexuality and gay issues, and that was shocking then, it's not taboo now. 

Then I hope you found the Madonna-Britney smooch as cringe-inducing as the FTP video scene, if not more.

If you want to talk about a feminist icon in music?  How about Kathleen Hanna? 

She, along with PJ Harvey, and a few others were admirably in the forefront of alt. music back when I was high school.  PJ Harvey had an incredible song called man-sized (or something).  I'm dont know what became of them though.

[audjon]

Sorry folks, but this vid is a huge letdown.?
It's soooo 'seen it, been there, done that - over it' type of video. The storyline is a bit tired, but fits the lyrics, however, it's the execution that is so flat, so lame, and so unbelievably uncreative and stale. Never mind the clich?s; it's possible to make great vids packed with banalities (remember e.g. Prodigy's Smack my bitch up), but com'on; the filming, the colours, the editing is conclusively outdated. I guess this was cool in 1993, when the troopers last checked out MTV.

[darkmonth]

OK, I just wanna say.  Stop all this shit.  Lesbians and threesomes and Christina Aguilara ALL kick ASS!  They are all amazing!  And yes, I am married... and yes, my wife knows my views...

[Booker Floyd]

It's soooo 'seen it, been there, done that - over it' type of video. The storyline is a bit tired, but fits the lyrics, however, it's the execution that is so flat, so lame, and so unbelievably uncreative and stale. Never mind the clich?s; it's possible to make great vids packed with banalities (remember e.g. Prodigy's Smack my bitch up), but com'on; the filming, the colours, the editing is conclusively outdated. I guess this was cool in 1993, when the troopers last checked out MTV.

 

Care to elaborate on what makes the storyline tired? 

And colors being outdated?  Yeah, youve lost me...

[D]

i saw the video last night on VH1 and its one of the best videos ive seen in years! It was so awesome because it was so autobiographical!

seeing Scott in situations u know he's been in before made it very very powerful

i cannot wait to see this video again! very touchin moments with scott and duff, i still dont like matt much, matt seems like he tries to hard to be cool etc etc, u ever know people like that? thats how i always took matt, but the scott parts were awesome!