Some Thoughts About Brokeback Mountain/Sexuality

[Doc Emmett Brown]

only if you take off those awful pants 

[Kujo]

He was hoping you would say that

[D]

I think I will rent it tomorrow. At the very least I can enjoy the western landscape...............

Lock up all your vasoline first.

[heinous]

What I dont understand is.

All these Right wing conservative groups talk about how being Gay is a sin and all this b ullshit


Horses are Gay, Dogs are Gay

So how do they explain that shit?

There is nothing wrong with being Gay at all.

Brokeback Mountain if u havent saw it, I suggest u rent it immediatley.

Its one of those movies that will change your life in my opinion.

Nothing like lowering humans to the level of animals in an attempt to prove a point.

By this logic, eating crap must be normal and OK because dogs do it....

[SLCPUNK]

Nothing like lowering humans to the level of animals in an attempt to prove a point.

By this logic, eating crap must be normal and OK because dogs do it....

Of course animals share absolutely zero DNA or other physiological traits that humans have.............

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Bottom line. Gays should have every right to find happiness like straight people. Gay is not a choice. Lets face it, looking at another guys hairy ass and getting turned on can't be a choice.

[D]

NO NO NO

People say that Humans CHOOSE to be Gay and its against GOD and u go to hell and all that bullshit.

Well if that is so, how do u explain animals being Gay?

To me if being Gay was a choice and u go to hell, wouldnt make much sense for animals to be Gay.

Its human nature and I dont think u can help who u are attracted to and u shouldnt be ridiculed and treated less than human just cause u like the same sex.


They are human beings? so they should enjoy EVERYTHING every other citizen enjoys or dont enjoy *marriage*

who cares if two gays are allowed to be married? Is that gonna make my commitment to my wife to be any less special?

[SuperMike]

I find homophobes even more annoying. Like if you're with a group of friends eating at McDonalds, and one friend that is a homophobe points at a stranger and says"Eww, listen to the way that guy talks, he sounds like a flamer."? There are femine dudes out there who are straight and there are "manly" dudes out there who talk in a deep voice but like men.

[SLCPUNK]

Like if you're with a group of friends eating at McDonalds, and one friend that is a homophobe points at a stranger and says"Eww, listen to the way that guy talks, he sounds like a flamer."

Usually the one pointing it out is the closet case.........

"Takes one to know one" and all that............

[Sin Cut]

I just hope my gf don't want me to see this movie.

Hell, we got two set of tv's so I'll just play some ps2.

On a sidenote, I know for a fact that D forced a dog to become gay once, ask SLC for details.


There's this one thing I've always wondered, when a gay couple have a bad fight, do they do bitch-slaps or just plain old punching?

[axl_rose_700]

How can anybody really call it abnormal?

It is abnormal in a society in which man has created rules, but nobody can really argue that it is "against nature".

Maybe it is one of natures way to control population?

There are gay animals after all, which seems to debunk the "choice" argument.

You might be right about controlling the population part, but if you think about it properly without your PC head on it's fairly un-natural.

I'm not having a pop at gay people btw, each to their own, as long as it doesn't affect me I don't mind! 

[Markus Asraelius]

When I saw this thread had reached 50 posts, I thought this thread was going to turn into a war but this has actually been an alright thread although Blue Cut's response is less than spectacular. 

In response to SLCPunk's post, they have done many studies on homophobic behavior and found that the ones who were homphobic were more likely to be homosexual than the ones that appeared perfectly fine with somebody being gay/bisexual.

[Guns N RockMusic]

When I saw this thread had reached 50 posts, I thought this thread was going to turn into a war but this has actually been an alright thread although Blue Cut's response is less than spectacular.?

In response to SLCPunk's post, they have done many studies on homophobic behavior and found that the ones who were homphobic were more likely to be homosexual than the ones that appeared perfectly fine with somebody being gay/bisexual.

Can you cite any of these studies?  And of course someone who's in the closest is going to be more adamant about appearing homophobic to better hide his sexuality.  But to claim that someone who dislikes or doesn't condone that dangerous lifestyle (and by dangerous I mean much more likely to contract an STD) is more likely to be gay is just wishful thinking.  Same thing when people try to claim 10% of the population is gay.  No one can ever quote the actual study, but I suspect Kinsey is their source.  But even Kinsey admitted his study was flawed and what can you expect when a substantial portion of those studied were in prison for sexual crimes.....

[Sterlingdog]

I think I've posted this before, in the film thread.  But I'll post it again because I think it sums up what makes Brokeback Mountain such a powerful movie.  (Its from a review)

As the movie goes on, Ennis, penniless and alone, becomes a shard of a man, nurturing a lost dream. Brokeback Mountain has a luscious doomed tenor that, at times, makes it feel like Edith Wharton with Stetsons. It's far from being a message movie, yet if you tear up in the magnificent final scene, with its haunting slow waltz of comfort and regret, it's worth noting what, exactly, you're reacting to: a love that has been made to knuckle under to society's design. In an age when the fight over gay marriage still rages, Brokeback Mountain, the tale of two men who are scarcely even allowed to imagine being together, asks, through the very purity with which it touches us: When it comes to love, what sort of world do we really want?

[Sterlingdog]

When I saw this thread had reached 50 posts, I thought this thread was going to turn into a war but this has actually been an alright thread although Blue Cut's response is less than spectacular. 

In response to SLCPunk's post, they have done many studies on homophobic behavior and found that the ones who were homphobic were more likely to be homosexual than the ones that appeared perfectly fine with somebody being gay/bisexual.

Can you cite any of these studies?  And of course someone who's in the closest is going to be more adamant about appearing homophobic to better hide his sexuality.  But to claim that someone who dislikes or doesn't condone that dangerous lifestyle (and by dangerous I mean much more likely to contract an STD) is more likely to be gay is just wishful thinking.  Same thing when people try to claim 10% of the population is gay.  No one can ever quote the actual study, but I suspect Kinsey is their source.  But even Kinsey admitted his study was flawed and what can you expect when a substantial portion of those studied were in prison for sexual crimes.....

Psychologists have know this since Freud.  I'm ashamed to say that even with my degree, the word for it isn't coming to my mind at the moment (trans..something).  Anyway, its not to say that anyone that doesn't approve of homosexuality is actually gay.  Its more about with how much passion you disapprove.  Meaning if you spend way too much time concerning yourself with the subject, its because there is something else going on inside your head that makes you care so much.  And its not just homosexuality.  Someone who is constantly screaming and protesting against porn, probably has some deep fascination with it that they actually fear.  They turn it around as hatred to make it easier to deal with.  I could go dig out some text books later and give you sources if I have time, but trust me, this is basic psychology. 

I'm almost positive that the 10% number is from Kinsey.  But I think it has been more or less confirmed since then.  Again, if I have time later, I can pull some text books and get real information.  But I did my minor in human sexuality in college and that is definitely the number they were teaching, at least then. 

[Markus Asraelius]

When I saw this thread had reached 50 posts, I thought this thread was going to turn into a war but this has actually been an alright thread although Blue Cut's response is less than spectacular.?

In response to SLCPunk's post, they have done many studies on homophobic behavior and found that the ones who were homphobic were more likely to be homosexual than the ones that appeared perfectly fine with somebody being gay/bisexual.

Can you cite any of these studies?? And of course someone who's in the closest is going to be more adamant about appearing homophobic to better hide his sexuality.? But to claim that someone who dislikes or doesn't condone that dangerous lifestyle (and by dangerous I mean much more likely to contract an STD) is more likely to be gay is just wishful thinking.? Same thing when people try to claim 10% of the population is gay.? No one can ever quote the actual study, but I suspect Kinsey is their source.? But even Kinsey admitted his study was flawed and what can you expect when a substantial portion of those studied were in prison for sexual crimes.....

I will post the studies that they did. It isn't just one that they did, I've read a few of them. You know at a party one time, a man, who was drunk, started talking bs about gays, and clearly was displaying homophobic behavior.

He then went on to kiss, I mean really kiss, his male friends. They tried to get him off of them and everything and they eventually had to take him home.

Despite him being drunk, I think this is a prime example of a closet-goer.

***

Also, the studies I read said nothing about these people being in prison. But, I will post them for you.

[journey]

But, if you looked at when she grew up, she was definitely exposed (from television, movies, music) to straight sexuality and little bit of lesbian sexuality, but didn't really have that exposure to gay sexuality. Now, with me, I am about 7+ years younger than her so my exposure was just a little bit more. I was exposed to lots of straight sexuality, some lesbian sexuality and just a lil' bit of gay sexuality (from television, movies, music).

I think it does help to be exposed early on in order to teach you that it's ok and to humanize the person rather than make false conclusions. I've known about my cousin being gay since I was 8 years old. Even at that age I was ok with it. He never forced his sexuality on anyone, like so many people are afriad of. He's a decent person. Getting to know someone before judging them based on their lifestyle choices is the best way.

As for Brokeback Mountain, I really liked it. But I've heard other people complain that it dragged on for too long and thought it was overall boring. I don't assume that they were saying that because of the gay love story. I believe that they just didn't like it.

[leesixxrose]

If you dont support Gay marrages then dont marry one... thats the way i see it.... Screw your god and your sins and your going to "hell" if your gay .. thats all crap anyways that not everyone belives... Im fucking tired of christians telling everyone whats good for you and me.. the good christians... but they have caused more wars and fights and complained the most of any relgiions.. fuck jesus christ and his followers nobody i know cares about the bible or being a "sinner"

but i still dont see why anyone would want to watch a movie about gay cowboys......

[Markus Asraelius]

This is the only homophobic study I can find right now and it's not a very good one. I'll post others as I can find them cause the'res more out there.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fuel2.htm

[Guns N RockMusic]

When I saw this thread had reached 50 posts, I thought this thread was going to turn into a war but this has actually been an alright thread although Blue Cut's response is less than spectacular.?

In response to SLCPunk's post, they have done many studies on homophobic behavior and found that the ones who were homphobic were more likely to be homosexual than the ones that appeared perfectly fine with somebody being gay/bisexual.

Can you cite any of these studies?? And of course someone who's in the closest is going to be more adamant about appearing homophobic to better hide his sexuality.? But to claim that someone who dislikes or doesn't condone that dangerous lifestyle (and by dangerous I mean much more likely to contract an STD) is more likely to be gay is just wishful thinking.? Same thing when people try to claim 10% of the population is gay.? No one can ever quote the actual study, but I suspect Kinsey is their source.? But even Kinsey admitted his study was flawed and what can you expect when a substantial portion of those studied were in prison for sexual crimes.....

Psychologists have know this since Freud.? I'm ashamed to say that even with my degree, the word for it isn't coming to my mind at the moment (trans..something).? Anyway, its not to say that anyone that doesn't approve of homosexuality is actually gay.? Its more about with how much passion you disapprove.? Meaning if you spend way too much time concerning yourself with the subject, its because there is something else going on inside your head that makes you care so much.? And its not just homosexuality.? Someone who is constantly screaming and protesting against porn, probably has some deep fascination with it that they actually fear.? They turn it around as hatred to make it easier to deal with.? I could go dig out some text books later and give you sources if I have time, but trust me, this is basic psychology.?

I'm almost positive that the 10% number is from Kinsey.? But I think it has been more or less confirmed since then.? Again, if I have time later, I can pull some text books and get real information.? But I did my minor in human sexuality in college and that is definitely the number they were teaching, at least then.?

Ok, I buy into the theory that anyone who devotes that much time into negative energy about a subject probably has abnormal issues with the subject at hand. ?But Kinsey's work is straight garbage. ?In his female study (which was much more scientifically examined) he found that only 3-5% of females were gay. ?Even in the movie, Liam Neeson (portraying Kinsey) admits that his first study had problems. ?Kinsey's sample groups were primarily made up of college students and sexual deviants (sorry if you're offended thaty I call pedophiles sexual deviants). ?Hardly a good sample group to base a study from. ?Homosexuality is a natural part of all species and not something to be demonized, but it's not as prevalent or common as some would like society to believe.