Some Thoughts About Brokeback Mountain/Sexuality

[Guns N RockMusic]

This is the only homophobic study I can find right now and it's not a very good one. I'll post others as I can find them cause the'res more out there.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fuel2.htm

Well accourding to this study I would be homophobic as I would be extremely uncomfortable (maybe even become sick) watching two men engage in hardcore anal sex.  But on the same note, I would be be uncomfortable knowing someone was watching me watch straight porn.  As you said, this isn't a very good study.  Even the study claimed that the arrousal may be due to anxiety.

[leesixxrose]

This is the only homophobic study I can find right now and it's not a very good one. I'll post others as I can find them cause the'res more out there.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fuel2.htm

Well accourding to this study I would be homophobic as I would be extremely uncomfortable (maybe even become sick) watching two men engage in hardcore anal sex.? But on the same note, I would be be uncomfortable knowing someone was watching me watch straight porn.? As you said, this isn't a very good study.? Even the study claimed that the arrousal may be due to anxiety.

as you can see this study has the word religon in it...... its biased from the begining...

[Sterlingdog]

but i still dont see why anyone would want to watch a movie about gay cowboys......

Becaue its a good movie, one of the best movies made in the past few years.  Why refuse to see it just because it has gay men in it?

[leesixxrose]

but i still dont see why anyone would want to watch a movie about gay cowboys......

Becaue its a good movie, one of the best movies made in the past few years.? Why refuse to see it just because it has gay men in it?

because i can think of better ways to spend my time than watching gay cowboy movies.. Its not something i would relate to or hold my interest..  Its the same as why would i refuse to go to a gay bar just coz it has gay men in it..  Its not something that i would relate to

[D]

Anyone who says Brokeback Mountain is just about two gay Cowboys is as ridiculous as someone saying "Rocky" is just a boxing movie.

[SLCPUNK]

You might be right about controlling the population part, but if you think about it properly without your PC head on it's fairly un-natural.

I'm not having a pop at gay people btw, each to their own, as long as it doesn't affect me I don't mind! 

It is certainly a minority, but so are many things in nature. Sometimes the minority is just another part of the machine. And that does not mean it is not "natural."

The last thing I am is PC. Got me way wrong on that one.

[D]

You might be right about controlling the population part, but if you think about it properly without your PC head on it's fairly un-natural.

I'm not having a pop at gay people btw, each to their own, as long as it doesn't affect me I don't mind!?

It is certainly a minority, but so are many things in nature. Sometimes the minority is just another part of the machine. And that does not mean it is not "natural."

The last thing I am is PC. Got me way wrong on that one.

Did u ever watch it SLC?

[SLCPUNK]

I'm actually watching it with my wife tonight.


















Before I come out to her.............

[SLCPUNK]

By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP Science Writer 13 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Lesbians' brains react differently to sex hormones than those of heterosexual women, new research indicates. That's in line with an earlier study that had indicated gay men's brain responses were different from straight men ? though the difference for men was more pronounced than has now been found in women.


Lesbians' brains reacted somewhat, though not completely, like those of heterosexual men, a team of Swedish researchers said in Tuesday's edition of Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences.

A year ago, the same group reported findings for gay men that showed their brain response to hormones was similar to that of heterosexual women.

In both cases the findings add weight to the idea that homosexuality has a physical basis and is not learned behavior.

"It shows sexual orientation may very well have a different basis between men and women ... this is not just a mirror image situation," said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario.

"The important thing is to be open to the likely situation that there are biological factors that contribute to sexual orientation," added Witelson, who was not part of the research team.

The research team led by Ivanka Savic at the Stockholm Brain Institute had volunteers sniff chemicals derived from male and female sex hormones. These chemicals are thought to be pheromones ? molecules known to trigger responses such as defense and sex in many animals.

Whether humans respond to pheromones has been debated, although in 2000 American researchers reported finding a gene that they believe directs a human pheromone receptor in the nose.

The same team reported last year on a comparison of the response of male homosexuals to heterosexual men and women. They found that the brains of gay men reacted more like those of women than of straight men.

The new study shows a similar, but weaker, relationship between the response of lesbians and straight men.

Heterosexual women found the male and female pheromones about equally pleasant, while straight men and lesbians liked the female pheromone more than the male one. Men and lesbians also found the male hormone more irritating than the female one, while straight women were more likely to be irritated by the female hormone than the male one.

All three groups rated the male hormone more familiar than the female one. Straight women found both hormones about equal in intensity, while lesbians and straight men found the male hormone more intense than the female one.

The brains of all three groups were scanned when sniffing male and female hormones and a set of four ordinary odors. Ordinary odors were processed in the brain circuits associated with smell in all the volunteers.

In heterosexual males the male hormone was processed in the scent area but the female hormone was processed in the hypothalamus, which is related to sexual stimulation. In straight women the sexual area of the brain responded to the male hormone while the female hormone was perceived by the scent area.

In lesbians, both male and female hormones were processed the same, in the basic odor processing circuits, Savic and her team reported.

Each of the three groups of subjects included 12 healthy, unmedicated, right-handed and
HIV-negative individuals.

The research was funded by the Swedish Medical Research Council, Karolinska Institute and the Wallenberg Foundation.

[Guns N RockMusic]

I was just going to post that.

[leesixxrose]

Anyone who says Brokeback Mountain is just about two gay Cowboys is as ridiculous as someone saying "Rocky" is just a boxing movie.

ok lets just say im not a fan of boxing....

[Sterlingdog]

but i still dont see why anyone would want to watch a movie about gay cowboys......

Becaue its a good movie, one of the best movies made in the past few years.  Why refuse to see it just because it has gay men in it?

because i can think of better ways to spend my time than watching gay cowboy movies.. Its not something i would relate to or hold my interest..  Its the same as why would i refuse to go to a gay bar just coz it has gay men in it..  Its not something that i would relate to

By that logic,  I guess I should never watch Schindler's list, since I'm not Jewish. 

On the subject of if homosexuality is against nature because it doesn't lead to procreation - I like to call that the Dr. Laura theory -what about heterosexuals who don't want children?  Wouldn't they be suffering from the same biological error?

[D]

I'm actually watching it with my wife tonight.


















Before I come out to her.............

For some strange reason, I dont think she will be all that shocked.......

[leesixxrose]

but i still dont see why anyone would want to watch a movie about gay cowboys......

Becaue its a good movie, one of the best movies made in the past few years.? Why refuse to see it just because it has gay men in it?

because i can think of better ways to spend my time than watching gay cowboy movies.. Its not something i would relate to or hold my interest..? Its the same as why would i refuse to go to a gay bar just coz it has gay men in it..? Its not something that i would relate to

By that logic,? I guess I should never watch Schindler's list, since I'm not Jewish.?

On the subject of if homosexuality is against nature because it doesn't lead to procreation - I like to call that the Dr. Laura theory -what about heterosexuals who don't want children?? Wouldn't they be suffering from the same biological error?

do you relate to schindlers list? I do coz i enjoy history and ww2 war films....

I have no idea what your talking about with Dr Larua or what ever.. that chick is crazy.

[Jessica]

To reply to original post, i am more and more uncomfortable with homosexuality.

I shouldn't be, especially since i personally fell in love with both genders.

I was always exposed to homosexuality. It was never a problem.

Up until i met 2 men who lied to me. Who used me. As an alibi.

It hurts.

It embarasses.

It scares.

You see, it's not that he had sex with a man that bothered me, it was that he had lied and hid it. And hid his boyfriend. Because we walked into a nightclub and i was almost punched by some crazed jealous man in heels who snarled " what are you doing with MY man". How embarassing. Plus, it was 1992 or so, and i was terrified of aids and i dumped the man because bi men are the most dangerous population, sexually speaking.



I mean, imagine the person you love has sex with you at home, of course, you trust, so no condoms, and that very same man goes to backrooms in gay areas during the day and has it up the arse or gets on his knees and without condoms and comes home where YOU go for full flowjobs and intercourses with someone who hasn't used protection and hasn't even washed ( so it's double horrid, because you get the germs plus someone's else semenly taste)...

is it gruesome ?

yeah, life can be.

So i am bothered.

True homos, i don't give a shit.

Bis ?

xxxx them! ( not really, but i am angry)

Fukcing cunts who marry/live with women, have kids, lie to everyone ...

Need my sango, i'm upset now.

[leesixxrose]

To reply to original post, i am more and more uncomfortable with homosexuality.

I shouldn't be, especially since i personally fell in love with both genders.

I was always exposed to homosexuality. It was never a problem.

Up until i met 2 men who lied to me. Who used me. As an alibi.

It hurts.

It embarasses.

It scares.

You see, it's not that he had sex with a man that bothered me, it was that he had lied and hid it. And hid his boyfriend. Because we walked into a nightclub and i was almost punched by some crazed jealous man in heels who snarled " what are you doing with MY man". How embarassing. Plus, it was 1992 or so, and i was terrified of aids and i dumped the man because bi men are the most dangerous population, sexually speaking.



I mean, imagine the person you love has sex with you at home, of course, you trust, so no condoms, and that very same man goes to backrooms in gay areas during the day and has it up the arse or gets on his knees and without condoms and comes home where YOU go for full flowjobs and intercourses with someone who hasn't used protection and hasn't even washed ( so it's double horrid, because you get the germs plus someone's else semenly taste)...

is it gruesome ?

yeah, life can be.

So i am bothered.

True homos, i don't give a shit.

Bis ?

xxxx them! ( not really, but i am angry)

Fukcing cunts who marry/live with women, have kids, lie to everyone ...

Need my sango, i'm upset now.

thats some FUCKED up shit.....  gays are wierd... i dont care for them and try to avoid them  if possible .. i dont care what they do or if they want to marry each other coz i dont want to marry a gay so let em i say.... but thats some messed up shit he did to you... if i was you i would have gotten another boyfriend to kick his ass..... you would be in the right for doing that.... thats your health he was playing with.... you prob could have sued his ass too..

[Jessica]

thats some FUCKED up shit.....  gays are wierd... i dont care for them and try to avoid them  if possible .. i dont care what they do or if they want to marry each other coz i dont want to marry a gay so let em i say.... but thats some messed up shit he did to you... if i was you i would have gotten another boyfriend to kick his ass..... you would be in the right for doing that.... thats your health he was playing with.... you prob could have sued his ass too..

I know, although i live in france and in france, people can't sue for personal matters like these.

I am very blasee, but yet, so stupidly naive when it comes to men that i have always ended up in STUPID situations because i can't see them come.

So i got the bis, the hero addicts, the sickos, the " i see the judge once a week for tea since adolescence" and i still believe in fairytales endings.

I bet sick men have a sixth sense and bingo, i must have something on my forehead that says " old victim, naive, use me" and in their dirty little minds they go " yay, how can i use her ? i will try something new, she's already seen a lot, let's go sadistic"

  :rant:bugger, this subject is more touchy than i thought, it seems to open a door.

I'm getting very pissed off... not at anyone but me...it'lll pass..

[leesixxrose]

thats some FUCKED up shit.....  gays are wierd... i dont care for them and try to avoid them  if possible .. i dont care what they do or if they want to marry each other coz i dont want to marry a gay so let em i say.... but thats some messed up shit he did to you... if i was you i would have gotten another boyfriend to kick his ass..... you would be in the right for doing that.... thats your health he was playing with.... you prob could have sued his ass too..

I know, although i live in france and in france, people can't sue for personal matters like these.

I am very blasee, but yet, so stupidly naive when it comes to men that i have always ended up in STUPID situations because i can't see them come.

So i got the bis, the hero addicts, the sickos, the " i see the judge once a week for tea since adolescence" and i still believe in fairytales endings.

I bet sick men have a sixth sense and bingo, i must have something on my forehead that says " old victim, naive, use me" and in their dirty little minds they go " yay, how can i use her ? i will try something new, she's already seen a lot, let's go sadistic"

  :rant:bugger, this subject is more touchy than i thought, it seems to open a door.

I'm getting very pissed off... not at anyone but me...it'lll pass..

that would piss any woman off... not just you....

[chineseblues]

Yet the number of people I know that flat refuse to see this movie is amazing.  They aren't "gay bashers" or openly homophobic.  They probably don't consider themselves anti-gay in any way.  But there is something so deep in their unconscious that won't allow them to open themselves up enough to even watch this movie  They say "I'm just not interested."

I dont usually get into this type of debates, but I just have to now. Why is it so hard to believe that people just dont want to see the movie because their just not interested? I dunno maybe its just me, but when I tend to not want to see a movie or whatever its not because of anything other then Im just plain not interested. So I honestly don't know how anyone could say people dont want to see it just because its a gay movie. 

[Jessica]

Yet the number of people I know that flat refuse to see this movie is amazing.  They aren't "gay bashers" or openly homophobic.  They probably don't consider themselves anti-gay in any way.  But there is something so deep in their unconscious that won't allow them to open themselves up enough to even watch this movie  They say "I'm just not interested."

I dont usually get into this type of debates, but I just have to now. Why is it so hard to believe that people just dont want to see the movie because their just not interested? I dunno maybe its just me, but when I tend to not want to see a movie or whatever its not because of anything other then Im just plain not interested. So I honestly don't know how anyone could say people dont want to see it just because its a gay movie. 

ah!

fair comment.

True that.