The leaks (Why now? Who leaked them? Are they on CD? Comparisons to old demos)

[Voodoochild]

The Robin solo in Better changes a little and does a duet with Axl singin some "na na na" (or something like that). The solo is still in the center channel. Once Axl starts to sing the lyrics again, the solo suddenly goes to the right channel. The transition is poor and the mix in this part is not so good, because everything sounds like a mess - I mean, it's beautiful, but it's not mixed right.

So, I'm pretty sure it's a demo. All of them, in fact.

[jazjme]

The Robin solo in Better changes a little and does a duet with Axl singin some "na na na" (or something like that). The solo is still in the center channel. Once Axl starts to sing the lyrics again, the solo suddenly goes to the right channel. The transition is poor and the mix in this part is not so good, because everything sounds like a mess - I mean, it's beautiful, but it's not mixed right.

So, I'm pretty sure it's a demo. All of them, in fact.

You got a great ear my friend!

[greekmule]

i don't know man if twat is a demo i am really scared of what would be in CD.i mean  the demo is so rich it has everything:electric guitars ,acoustic guitars ,electronic bits and pieces ,background vocals ,a little bit of orchestration just about everything-i just think it needs to be properly mixed.

BTW i played it to a friend of mine who doesn't like GnR that much and just when i was ready to hear all the bashing he told me that he thinks twat is a ready song-and he wishes axl would release it as it is and he wouldn't overload the final version

[SWINGTRADER]

Didn't the people that leaked these songs  say they were demos ??  Merck told some radio stations  that they were demos. I don't think he would lie about this because it would make Axl look like an idiot if the real singles he sends to the stations  end up being exactly the same.  Besides  you can just tell they are demos by listening to them , the mixing
is awful ( especially Better) .    Axl is a perfectionist     the UYI albums were overproduced  and Axl said they rushed it.  If that was rushed  and it sounded the way it did    do you really think 13 yrs  of work  is going to sound this shitty??   Stop speculating  and just wait till this thing comes out if it ever does.   

[mikegiuliana]

seems like everything with axl was rushed.. I had mentioned some of them not being demos because I thought they sounded really high quality plus I never knew what sounds this new gnr was suppose to have with synths or drum machines or anything else.. I guess there are many versions of each floating around, wonder when these were recorded is this the first or 5th versions of better irs or twat.?

[Meanmachine22]

IRS and TWAT are demos ..no doubt

what about the drums i there? Is that a drummachine the whole time ???So where's Brain of Mr. Freese.... or whoever will be on the final product

I think they gave us "unfinished" versions for a reason..........

But BETTER... i don't know.. that one sounds way more complete than the other two do not you thinK

[mrlee]

i think T.W.A.T is the best of the lot so far. the guitaring is great, so trippy.....i love trippy wah solos.

[ARC]

$13 million spent on producing this thing.

These are obviously demos.

[illusionone]

I am listening to Don't Damn Me from the 'Axl's Advanced Copy' Demo disc for the first time.  I started to listen to the old demo's to compare how they sound as demos compared to the finished copy.  That being said - I love don't damn me on the album, but the demo doesn't do it any justice.  If I had heard the Demo version first I would have thought, it wasn't a bad song, but wouldn't love it as much as I do now.

Anyway - I guess my point is. . . . .Keep the faith, in Axls Music creations I trust.

my 2 cents, for what it's worth,

-illusionone

[faldor]

Good point.  Although I already like the demo's, so I guess they can only get better.

[illusionone]

Good point.? Although I already like the demo's, so I guess they can only get better.

I actually love the demos myself. 

Better seems to be my favorite - I love how it starts off soft and slams into the song heavy, then goes out soft again.  I also love the short segment of screaming, I bet when they make the transition seamless, the song will fuckin rock.

IRS took me awhile to like, but after listening to it for a bit, I love it

T.W.A.T  - What can I say - he did it again - I love it

Axl has put 3 epic songs (that we know of) on Chinese Democracy, The Blues, Madagascar and T.W.A.T (Assuming these 3 make the record)  and everyone of them is a hit min my book.

-illusionone

[Axlfreek]

Good point.? Although I already like the demo's, so I guess they can only get better.

I actually love the demos myself.?

Better seems to be my favorite - I love how it starts off soft and slams into the song heavy, then goes out soft again.? I also love the short segment of screaming, I bet when they make the transition seamless, the song will fuckin rock.

IRS took me awhile to like, but after listening to it for a bit, I love it

T.W.A.T? - What can I say - he did it again - I love it

Axl has put 3 epic songs (that we know of) on Chinese Democracy, The Blues, Madagascar and T.W.A.T (Assuming these 3 make the record)? and everyone of them is a hit min my book.

-illusionone

you forgot "this i love"

[LovedAlien]

oh yeah, and don't forget general and thyme...EPICS 

[oldgunsfan]

Good point.? Although I already like the demo's, so I guess they can only get better.

sometimes when you haven't her new music in 15 years from your favorite band you tend to over-rate what you heard

[oldgunsfan]

oh yeah, and don't forget general and thyme...EPICS?

and are you claiming to have heard these?

[badapple81]

Does anybody find it odd that Axl's vocals on Better have clearly been worked on and fine tuned whilst on CITR and TWAT they really sound like he just put them down and not much as been done with them? Like Better is pretty much a finished product whilst the others are just demos?

Do you think there have been too many leaks now for this to be intentional?

Perhaps with say CITR it may not be on the first album as someone has said, so the GN'R camp have no problem leaking it to get some feedback on how the fans like the sound and get some feedback on it? Just a thought.

[jameslofton29]

Does anybody find it odd that Axl's vocals on Better have clearly been worked on and fine tuned whilst on CITR and TWAT they really sound like he just put them down and not much as been done with them? Like Better is pretty much a finished product whilst the others are just demos?

Do you think there have been too many leaks now for this to be intentional?

Perhaps with say CITR it may not be on the first album as someone has said, so the GN'R camp have no problem leaking it to get some feedback on how the fans like the sound and get some feedback on it? Just a thought.

Good post. I never thought the leaks were intentional to begin with. You're right, Better is more of a 'finished product' than the others. But CITR seems to be from 1999-2000. Hell, maybe even a little earlier. Question: Could this be Josh Freese on drums?

[badapple81]

Could well be. Someone commented it could even be a track that Brian May did with them. It's really impossible with GN'R to tell.. they are going to need full credits detailed for each song in the booklet 

[jameslofton29]

Could well be. Someone commented it could even be a track that Brian May did with them. It's really impossible with GN'R to tell.. they are going to need full credits detailed for each song in the booklet?

Definitely. The booklet might have to be like a telephone book. When you go to the store to buy CD, there's a clerk standing by the door handing them out.

[VRslash]

i was wondering why axl has not seid anything about the leaks. The first IRS leak was only aired once. and shut off. now the demos where played on satilite radio and no one seid anything. these demos leak out all over the internet and no one has done anything. other then say dont host the files bla bla bla. but if i was axl i would have seid something.

Does anyone else think that these demos are intentional.

and if there not intentional it sounds like some guy bootleged IRS by standing out side of a door or window with a mic. if the demos pu on the "trunk cd" where worth listening to by axl youed think with his perfectionist personality he would not want anyone listening to a screatchy version of a song. im just wondering how some one would come across new guns material.