To fans in Philly....

[Booker Floyd]

i think it was like a year after hang on ill upload it give us 10-20 mins

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CCUFVB2K

I didnt download, but it said Axl Arrested 1992...The Philly incident was 2002.

[anythinggoes]

i think it was like a year after hang on ill upload it give us 10-20 mins

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CCUFVB2K

I didnt download, but it said Axl Arrested 1992...The Philly incident was 2002.

err shit i got confused sorry i was thinking of St Louis ill go sit in the sin bin for a while

[oldgunsfan]

I was at that Philly show, so for all you people who say to get over it, it's really tough to when you know people who got hurt.

Glad I'm going to the the MSG show as you know Axl won't skip out on his new favorite city

Don't blame Axl for not goig to Philly though

[russtcb]

I was at that Philly show, so for all you people who say to get over it, it's really tough to when you know people who got hurt.

Glad I'm going to the the MSG show as you know Axl won't skip out on his new favorite city

Don't blame Axl for not goig to Philly though

My point is that the people you know that were hurt were hurt by people looking for an excuse to get away with something. I am not jusifying the no-show, but how people re-act is not the bands fault.

[BluesGNR]

Vancouver also had a riot in 2002 when axl never showed up.

Axl WAS ON HIS WAY! Someone in manangement pulled the plug on that one!

Yep, he had no idea that the gig he was supposed to play that night had been cancelled.

How about showing up on time instead of leaving the venue hanging. The venue had everything to cancel it because Axl wasn't responsible enough to even be in the country on time. Axl was 100% to blame on that one.

He was in an airplane enroute from La to Vancouver. The flight was delayed due to weather conditions.

I really wish people would get over any of the riots that have happened. I still can't understand trying to justify wanting to destroy an arena and other people because Axl didn't show up or walked off stage.

It's hard to understand unless you're actually there. ?A lot of people, not just you, find it easily justifiable to say that it's no big deal. ?Well, hopefully not, but one day maybe all of the people sing their song of 'get over it' will witness something firsthand and be whining about their own incident. ?No harm intended, but I find the split among the fans to be amusing. ?People that were there find it acceptable to complain a good bit and those that weren't say get over it. ?Neither party is totally correct, but at least the people that were there have a point toward rationalization.

 

I was at that Philly show, so for all you people who say to get over it, it's really tough to when you know people who got hurt.

Glad I'm going to the the MSG show as you know Axl won't skip out on his new favorite city

Don't blame Axl for not goig to Philly though

My point is that the people you know that were hurt were hurt by people looking for an excuse to get away with something. I am not jusifying the no-show, but how people re-act is not the bands fault.

On a separate note, there again, unless you know who the people in question are, how do you justify talking about them or their intentions?  Doesn't make sense to me at all.  Frankly, unless you were there to witness it firsthand, there's no reason to argue.  There are a lot of different stories from a lot of different people that attended the show - and I'm sure that they're all accurate by one's own perception.  Facts are facts, over $1mil in damages and I saw INNOCENT people trying to leave that were getting hurt.  People were throwing seat cushions (with the metal attached) over the balcony - I watched them hit people as they fell 40 feet from the upper level down to the floor.  Nobody is blaming the band for the actions of the fans, but seriously, don't say people were hurt because of their malicious intentions.  Innocent people got fucked that night.   

[russtcb]

Vancouver also had a riot in 2002 when axl never showed up.

Axl WAS ON HIS WAY! Someone in manangement pulled the plug on that one!

Yep, he had no idea that the gig he was supposed to play that night had been cancelled.

How about showing up on time instead of leaving the venue hanging. The venue had everything to cancel it because Axl wasn't responsible enough to even be in the country on time. Axl was 100% to blame on that one.

He was in an airplane enroute from La to Vancouver. The flight was delayed due to weather conditions.

I really wish people would get over any of the riots that have happened. I still can't understand trying to justify wanting to destroy an arena and other people because Axl didn't show up or walked off stage.

It's hard to understand unless you're actually there.  A lot of people, not just you, find it easily justifiable to say that it's no big deal.  Well, hopefully not, but one day maybe all of the people sing their song of 'get over it' will witness something firsthand and be whining about their own incident.  No harm intended, but I find the split among the fans to be amusing.  People that were there find it acceptable to complain a good bit and those that weren't say get over it.  Neither party is totally correct, but at least the people that were there have a point toward rationalization.

 

I was at that Philly show, so for all you people who say to get over it, it's really tough to when you know people who got hurt.

Glad I'm going to the the MSG show as you know Axl won't skip out on his new favorite city

Don't blame Axl for not goig to Philly though

My point is that the people you know that were hurt were hurt by people looking for an excuse to get away with something. I am not jusifying the no-show, but how people re-act is not the bands fault.

On a separate note, there again, unless you know who the people in question are, how do you justify talking about them or their intentions?  Doesn't make sense to me at all.  Frankly, unless you were there to witness it firsthand, there's no reason to argue.  There are a lot of different stories from a lot of different people that attended the show - and I'm sure that they're all accurate by one's own perception.  Facts are facts, over $1mil in damages and I saw INNOCENT people trying to leave that were getting hurt.  People were throwing seat cushions (with the metal attached) over the balcony - I watched them hit people as they fell 40 feet from the upper level down to the floor.  Nobody is blaming the band for the actions of the fans, but seriously, don't say people were hurt because of their malicious intentions.  Innocent people got fucked that night.   

People were hurt because of someones malicious intent or else the riot would've never taken place.

I've been in two different potential GNR riot situations. One turned into a riot, the other didn't. We had sat through Smashing Pumpkins twice at the Palace in 92 just to be told around midnight that GNR wouldn't be playing the show because Axl had been in route and somehow  got snatched up by St. Louis officials for charges stemming from the riot there.

Now this is in Detroit (we pretty much invented riots) and it's midnight. Drunk metal guys have just sat through an alternative band they don't even know (Gish was the album they were touring for) TWICE. Then they get told as a whole that GNR is not even coming. There were a TON of people actually saying things like "Lets tear this fuckin' place apart!" and shit like that. But alot of other people ended up talking them down and just saying "Why? It's no ones fault. We'll just see them again soon" and things like that.

It took awhile but the Palace ended up clearing out and everyone got a makeup show a year later that rocked.

The same cannot be said for Toronto. We all know what happened, but the same sentiment was the in the crowd. There were two types of people. The ones who didn't see a reason to destroy everything and people who wanted to use what happened during the show as an excuse to do something terrible.

That night, the bad half won. I can't understand how the exact same thing didn't happen in Philly. How is it any different?

[BluesGNR]

Vancouver also had a riot in 2002 when axl never showed up.

Axl WAS ON HIS WAY! Someone in manangement pulled the plug on that one!

Yep, he had no idea that the gig he was supposed to play that night had been cancelled.

How about showing up on time instead of leaving the venue hanging. The venue had everything to cancel it because Axl wasn't responsible enough to even be in the country on time. Axl was 100% to blame on that one.

He was in an airplane enroute from La to Vancouver. The flight was delayed due to weather conditions.

I really wish people would get over any of the riots that have happened. I still can't understand trying to justify wanting to destroy an arena and other people because Axl didn't show up or walked off stage.

It's hard to understand unless you're actually there.? A lot of people, not just you, find it easily justifiable to say that it's no big deal.? Well, hopefully not, but one day maybe all of the people sing their song of 'get over it' will witness something firsthand and be whining about their own incident.? No harm intended, but I find the split among the fans to be amusing.? People that were there find it acceptable to complain a good bit and those that weren't say get over it.? Neither party is totally correct, but at least the people that were there have a point toward rationalization.

 

I was at that Philly show, so for all you people who say to get over it, it's really tough to when you know people who got hurt.

Glad I'm going to the the MSG show as you know Axl won't skip out on his new favorite city

Don't blame Axl for not goig to Philly though

My point is that the people you know that were hurt were hurt by people looking for an excuse to get away with something. I am not jusifying the no-show, but how people re-act is not the bands fault.

On a separate note, there again, unless you know who the people in question are, how do you justify talking about them or their intentions?? Doesn't make sense to me at all.? Frankly, unless you were there to witness it firsthand, there's no reason to argue.? There are a lot of different stories from a lot of different people that attended the show - and I'm sure that they're all accurate by one's own perception.? Facts are facts, over $1mil in damages and I saw INNOCENT people trying to leave that were getting hurt.? People were throwing seat cushions (with the metal attached) over the balcony - I watched them hit people as they fell 40 feet from the upper level down to the floor.? Nobody is blaming the band for the actions of the fans, but seriously, don't say people were hurt because of their malicious intentions.? Innocent people got fucked that night.? ?

People were hurt because of someones malicious intent or else the riot would've never taken place.

I've been in two different potential GNR riot situations. One turned into a riot, the other didn't. We had sat through Smashing Pumpkins twice at the Palace in 92 just to be told around midnight that GNR wouldn't be playing the show because Axl had been in route and somehow? got snatched up by St. Louis officials for charges stemming from the riot there.

Now this is in Detroit (we pretty much invented riots) and it's midnight. Drunk metal guys have just sat through an alternative band they don't even know (Gish was the album they were touring for) TWICE. Then they get told as a whole that GNR is not even coming. There were a TON of people actually saying things like "Lets tear this fuckin' place apart!" and shit like that. But alot of other people ended up talking them down and just saying "Why? It's no ones fault. We'll just see them again soon" and things like that.

It took awhile but the Palace ended up clearing out and everyone got a makeup show a year later that rocked.

The same cannot be said for Toronto. We all know what happened, but the same sentiment was the in the crowd. There were two types of people. The ones who didn't see a reason to destroy everything and people who wanted to use what happened during the show as an excuse to do something terrible.

That night, the bad half won. I can't understand how the exact same thing didn't happen in Philly. How is it any different?

Yeah, I actually think that we're saying the same thing here... Just in different words. 

[Annie]

Vancouver also had a riot in 2002 when axl never showed up.

Axl WAS ON HIS WAY! Someone in manangement pulled the plug on that one!

Yep, he had no idea that the gig he was supposed to play that night had been cancelled.

How about showing up on time instead of leaving the venue hanging. The venue had everything to cancel it because Axl wasn't responsible enough to even be in the country on time. Axl was 100% to blame on that one.

He was in an airplane enroute from La to Vancouver. The flight was delayed due to weather conditions.

I really wish people would get over any of the riots that have happened. I still can't understand trying to justify wanting to destroy an arena and other people because Axl didn't show up or walked off stage.

It's hard to understand unless you're actually there.? A lot of people, not just you, find it easily justifiable to say that it's no big deal.? Well, hopefully not, but one day maybe all of the people sing their song of 'get over it' will witness something firsthand and be whining about their own incident.? No harm intended, but I find the split among the fans to be amusing.? People that were there find it acceptable to complain a good bit and those that weren't say get over it.? Neither party is totally correct, but at least the people that were there have a point toward rationalization.

 

I was at that Philly show, so for all you people who say to get over it, it's really tough to when you know people who got hurt.

Glad I'm going to the the MSG show as you know Axl won't skip out on his new favorite city

Don't blame Axl for not goig to Philly though

My point is that the people you know that were hurt were hurt by people looking for an excuse to get away with something. I am not jusifying the no-show, but how people re-act is not the bands fault.

On a separate note, there again, unless you know who the people in question are, how do you justify talking about them or their intentions?? Doesn't make sense to me at all.? Frankly, unless you were there to witness it firsthand, there's no reason to argue.? There are a lot of different stories from a lot of different people that attended the show - and I'm sure that they're all accurate by one's own perception.? Facts are facts, over $1mil in damages and I saw INNOCENT people trying to leave that were getting hurt.? People were throwing seat cushions (with the metal attached) over the balcony - I watched them hit people as they fell 40 feet from the upper level down to the floor.? Nobody is blaming the band for the actions of the fans, but seriously, don't say people were hurt because of their malicious intentions.? Innocent people got fucked that night.? ?

People were hurt because of someones malicious intent or else the riot would've never taken place.

I've been in two different potential GNR riot situations. One turned into a riot, the other didn't. We had sat through Smashing Pumpkins twice at the Palace in 92 just to be told around midnight that GNR wouldn't be playing the show because Axl had been in route and somehow? got snatched up by St. Louis officials for charges stemming from the riot there.

Now this is in Detroit (we pretty much invented riots) and it's midnight. Drunk metal guys have just sat through an alternative band they don't even know (Gish was the album they were touring for) TWICE. Then they get told as a whole that GNR is not even coming. There were a TON of people actually saying things like "Lets tear this fuckin' place apart!" and shit like that. But alot of other people ended up talking them down and just saying "Why? It's no ones fault. We'll just see them again soon" and things like that.

It took awhile but the Palace ended up clearing out and everyone got a makeup show a year later that rocked.

The same cannot be said for Toronto. We all know what happened, but the same sentiment was the in the crowd. There were two types of people. The ones who didn't see a reason to destroy everything and people who wanted to use what happened during the show as an excuse to do something terrible.

That night, the bad half won. I can't understand how the exact same thing didn't happen in Philly. How is it any different?

Yeah, I actually think that we're saying the same thing here... Just in different words.?

Very well said. I agree with both of you.

[Philly Guns]

anytime the philly fans get shit on, it's a good thing.? if i saw axl wearing a mcscabb jersey or that thug iverson in 02 i would have puked.? philly fans are the worst in the country....a stain on humanity...when bad things happen to them i'm happy...skip philly for life axl!!!!!!!!

obviously this guy is a dallas cowboys fan 

[BluesGNR]

anytime the philly fans get shit on, it's a good thing.? if i saw axl wearing a mcscabb jersey or that thug iverson in 02 i would have puked.? philly fans are the worst in the country....a stain on humanity...when bad things happen to them i'm happy...skip philly for life axl!!!!!!!!

obviously this guy is a dallas cowboys fan?

Yeah, he should give himself the T.O. treatment 

[Eclipsed107]

anytime the philly fans get shit on, it's a good thing.? if i saw axl wearing a mcscabb jersey or that thug iverson in 02 i would have puked.? philly fans are the worst in the country....a stain on humanity...when bad things happen to them i'm happy...skip philly for life axl!!!!!!!!

obviously this guy is a dallas cowboys fan?

Well considering he's a moron there's a 99% chance of that.  Either that or a NY Mets fan.

[GetInTheJungle]

Philly 2002 was going to be the first time I saw GNR live.
I had tix for Wilkes Barre - CANCELLED
Then the incident occurred - I was angry for not seeing GNR but remained a fan.
Made peace in May at Hammerstein.

Hoping to see them at Tweeter or Borgata - I think Wachovia Center was to blame as well for the 2002 madness... so I doubt they will play there.

[BluesGNR]

Philly 2002 was going to be the first time I saw GNR live.
I had tix for Wilkes Barre - CANCELLED
Then the incident occurred - I was angry for not seeing GNR but remained a fan.
Made peace in May at Hammerstein.

Hoping to see them at Tweeter or Borgata - I think Wachovia Center was to blame as well for the 2002 madness... so I doubt they will play there.

Same, but my tickets ended up being 1st row for both nights after the cancelled wilkes barre.  I was supposed to be like 12th row..  I don't know who to blame.  It's everyones fault.  Axl for not being there, fans for making a mess and Wachovia for doing a piss poor job throughout the night in terms of security and even staff... Read the reviews, people noticed it all.

[horsey]

i felt that way too.i got to go to ny.and it was great !
so im not all that upset about no philly this time i guess.it was horrible telling my friends ''he is coming out just late.an no show omg !
what a let down.

[axl2]

I was at that Philly show, so for all you people who say to get over it, it's really tough to when you know people who got hurt.

Glad I'm going to the the MSG show as you know Axl won't skip out on his new favorite city

Don't blame Axl for not goig to Philly though

since you say that have i missed something? does ANYONE know what happened at the end of that tour?

[BluesGNR]

I was at that Philly show, so for all you people who say to get over it, it's really tough to when you know people who got hurt.

Glad I'm going to the the MSG show as you know Axl won't skip out on his new favorite city

Don't blame Axl for not goig to Philly though

since you say that have i missed something? does ANYONE know what happened at the end of that tour?

Nobody knows. Axl wont comment.

[Z]

I was there in '02. ?It really was no big deal to me. ?I was over it in a couple weeks. ?Seems kind of silly and quite frankly a waste to still be upset over the experience 4 years later.

If you are still affected in a negative way having to endure that riot, then you probably should not subject yourself to the possibility of being stuck in a riot again anyway.

Hammerstein was a great experience for me so I'm fine going to NYC again to see them.

[axl2]

ust that it never made sense to me. AT ALL Axl seemed so happy in NY and seemed confident the whole band did. then Philly happened. I heard Tommy say things happened that nobody else knows but id like a bit of an explanation...a reason even if its  abad one.

[Cornell]

Philly 2002 was going to be the first time I saw GNR live.
I had tix for Wilkes Barre - CANCELLED
Then the incident occurred - I was angry for not seeing GNR but remained a fan.

Just about the same for me! ?I did see GNR in the late 80's and early 90's but this was going to be the first since then for me. ?I also had tickets for Wilkes Barre and then when it was cancelled, I bought the Philly tickets.

Did I talk to you on the subway after the no show? ?

[BluesGNR]

I was there in '02. ?It really was no big deal to me. ?I was over it in a couple weeks. ?Seems kind of silly and quite frankly a waste to still be upset over the experience 4 years later.

If you are still affected in a negative way having to endure that riot, then you probably should not subject yourself to the possibility of being stuck in a riot again anyway.

Hammerstein was a great experience for me so I'm fine going to NYC again to see them.

Agreed, but it's a little unsettling to not have a reason.