To fans in Philly....

[axl2]

Thing is...If this was all on Axl...if everything was his fault like ppl said then why didnt the rest quit? Robin could easily have left but he didnt...Thats part of why it didnt make sense.

[BluesGNR]

Thing is...If this was all on Axl...if everything was his fault like ppl said then why didnt the rest quit? Robin could easily have left but he didnt...Thats part of why it didnt make sense.

Good point... we'll probably never know either.  That band stuck with him through a lot of shit - it's more than I can say for the last group.

[Robman?]

Thing is...If this was all on Axl...if everything was his fault like ppl said then why didnt the rest quit? Robin could easily have left but he didnt...Thats part of why it didnt make sense.

If he had left then others would have followed (thankfully Bucket was not followed) GNR could really be no more

[axl2]

Thing is...If this was all on Axl...if everything was his fault like ppl said then why didnt the rest quit? Robin could easily have left but he didnt...Thats part of why it didnt make sense.

If he had left then others would have followed (thankfully Bucket was not followed) GNR could really be no more

Yeah Bucket is not much of a song writter though Robin is. If Robin ever left GNR would be in bad shape.

[BluesGNR]

Thing is...If this was all on Axl...if everything was his fault like ppl said then why didnt the rest quit? Robin could easily have left but he didnt...Thats part of why it didnt make sense.

If he had left then others would have followed (thankfully Bucket was not followed) GNR could really be no more

Yeah Bucket is not much of a song writter though Robin is. If Robin ever left GNR would be in bad shape.

Agreed.  Glad Robin stuck around...

[Z]

does ANYONE know what happened at the end of that tour?

It has been said that Clear Channel gave Axl 1 million dollars prior to the tour as a pre-tour bonus. ?After the Vancouver riot and repeated late arrivals on stage, Clear Channel insisted that Axl return the million as insurance that he would "behave" for the remainder of the tour.

If Axl did not comply, CC threatened to pull the plug on the tour. ?Axl refused and stayed in his NYC hotel room watching a basketball game as a helicopter sat atop the hotel waiting to wisk him away to Philly. ?The other band members were in the building in Philly waiting for Axl to show.

Clear Channel banked on Axl giving in as they allowed the opening acts to take the stage in Philly. ?Axl was only an hour away via a helicopter ride. ?Clear Channel knew days in advance that they were gonna try and strong arm Axl. ?They hired people to walk around the arena and sell non-refundable $10.00 tickets to the second show that was to occur the second night in Philly. ?CC took advantage of fans knowing that the second concert would not go on as planned.

 ?

[GetInTheJungle]

Cornell,  I did not talk to you on the subway in 2002 but I know many true fans left disappointed but did not cause the destruction that took place.  Hope to see ya at the Meadowlands - if you are going.

Side note: Venue knew (VIA security guard that night) of the no-show hours before they announced (Hockey game/kids attending across the street) they waited so the other venue cleared out safely!

[Bodhi]

yes philly was not the only show cancelled...however philly was the only show where the opening acts played and GNR didnt show up....I was going to go to that show, but didnt, I will be at msg and continental...I cant wait!!!!

[BluesGNR]

does ANYONE know what happened at the end of that tour?

It has been said that Clear Channel gave Axl 1 million dollars prior to the tour as a pre-tour bonus. ?After the Vancouver riot and repeated late arrivals on stage, Clear Channel insisted that Axl return the million as insurance that he would "behave" for the remainder of the tour.

If Axl did not comply, CC threatened to pull the plug on the tour. ?Axl refused and stayed in his NYC hotel room watching a basketball game as a helicopter sat atop the hotel waiting to wisk him away to Philly. ?The other band members were in the building in Philly waiting for Axl to show.

Clear Channel banked on Axl giving in as they allowed the opening acts to take the stage in Philly. ?Axl was only an hour away via a helicopter ride. ?Clear Channel knew days in advance that they were gonna try and strong arm Axl. ?They hired people to walk around the arena and sell non-refundable $10.00 tickets to the second show that was to occur the second night in Philly. ?CC took advantage of fans knowing that the second concert would not go on as planned.

First time I've heard that... but it seems logical enough.  Fucking clear channel... that blows. 

[Chief]

stupid clear channel.. i hope to hear the whole story some day.
the stupid vancouver riot wasn't even in their control because they pulled the plug on show when Axl was on his way!  hopefully whatever happened will clear up in time and they will be able to play philly and vancover again.  all the 2002 fiascos really hurt the band, its taken a long time to come back....

[noonespecial]

haven't heard a thing on the radio about it...no one really cares...besides, NY is close, Worcester MA, is only about 5 hours away, if you really wanna see Axl and company that bad, and you're from Philly, you can...it's not that big of deal...

[sandman]

does ANYONE know what happened at the end of that tour?

It has been said that Clear Channel gave Axl 1 million dollars prior to the tour as a pre-tour bonus. ?After the Vancouver riot and repeated late arrivals on stage, Clear Channel insisted that Axl return the million as insurance that he would "behave" for the remainder of the tour.

If Axl did not comply, CC threatened to pull the plug on the tour. ?Axl refused and stayed in his NYC hotel room watching a basketball game as a helicopter sat atop the hotel waiting to wisk him away to Philly. ?The other band members were in the building in Philly waiting for Axl to show.

Clear Channel banked on Axl giving in as they allowed the opening acts to take the stage in Philly. ?Axl was only an hour away via a helicopter ride. ?Clear Channel knew days in advance that they were gonna try and strong arm Axl. ?They hired people to walk around the arena and sell non-refundable $10.00 tickets to the second show that was to occur the second night in Philly. ?CC took advantage of fans knowing that the second concert would not go on as planned.

 ?

this is pure speculation on your part. at least that's what i'm assuming unless you have a source. if you do, please provide.

also, the reason they were selling tix to the second philly show for $10 is because the second show was in danger of being cancelled because of low ticket sales. i had seats in row 2 for the second night just by ordering through ticketmaster. a few days before the show you could still get tix very close to the stage. i believe they sold less than 1,000 tix for that show.

so i don't think it is fair to say CC took advantage  of the fans.

[GetInTheJungle]

Does anyone know anything more of the mention that an AC (Borgata) date was going to be announced soon?

[BluesGNR]

does ANYONE know what happened at the end of that tour?

It has been said that Clear Channel gave Axl 1 million dollars prior to the tour as a pre-tour bonus. ?After the Vancouver riot and repeated late arrivals on stage, Clear Channel insisted that Axl return the million as insurance that he would "behave" for the remainder of the tour.

If Axl did not comply, CC threatened to pull the plug on the tour. ?Axl refused and stayed in his NYC hotel room watching a basketball game as a helicopter sat atop the hotel waiting to wisk him away to Philly. ?The other band members were in the building in Philly waiting for Axl to show.

Clear Channel banked on Axl giving in as they allowed the opening acts to take the stage in Philly. ?Axl was only an hour away via a helicopter ride. ?Clear Channel knew days in advance that they were gonna try and strong arm Axl. ?They hired people to walk around the arena and sell non-refundable $10.00 tickets to the second show that was to occur the second night in Philly. ?CC took advantage of fans knowing that the second concert would not go on as planned.

 ?

this is pure speculation on your part. at least that's what i'm assuming unless you have a source. if you do, please provide.

also, the reason they were selling tix to the second philly show for $10 is because the second show was in danger of being cancelled because of low ticket sales. i had seats in row 2 for the second night just by ordering through ticketmaster. a few days before the show you could still get tix very close to the stage. i believe they sold less than 1,000 tix for that show.

so i don't think it is fair to say CC took advantage? of the fans.

Well said.  That sounds like what I recall hearing in the past.. but the other theory fits the same mold.  Without a source, I'll be more conservative in my opinion - we may never know. I was 2nd row also, through ticketmaster..