Why can't the US have a NORMAL election for once?

[The Dog]

Where is evidence of these numerous incidents. 

Here's some...

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special29/articles/0718Prop200-voting16.html

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special12/articles/1126voterID26.html

What, you mean like this???

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=2432899&nav=168XS1G8

Right, and don't forget these beauties...

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/voter-suppression-flyers.html

WOW, that last link sent chills down my spine, no joke.  Are those for real? 

[usedtoloverher]

Until the right wing fascist?s have their powers thrown out, the good ole USA will always be a capitalists paradise.

[GeorgeSteele]

Where is evidence of these numerous incidents.?

Here's some...

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special29/articles/0718Prop200-voting16.html

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special12/articles/1126voterID26.html

What, you mean like this???

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=2432899&nav=168XS1G8

Right, and don't forget these beauties...

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/voter-suppression-flyers.html

WOW, that last link sent chills down my spine, no joke.? Are those for real??

I wish they weren't. ?In all fairness, I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives. ?Possibly just rogue supporters, but the lack of any "official" reaction is disturbing. ?Even more disturbing is that instead of putting forth a plan to address this, they propose legislation that would have the effect of legally doing what the distributors of these flyers were illegally attempting to do.

[GeorgeSteele]

Until the right wing fascist?s have their powers thrown out, the good ole USA will always be a capitalists paradise.

That's not the point of this thread, Fidel, but in any case, capitalism in the "good ole USA" has been on quite a good run for the last 2+ centuries.  And the problem with these "right wing fascists" is not that they promote, it's that they hinder capitalism and entrepreneurship through their reverse-socialist policies of diverting all wealth to multi-national mega corporations at the expense of everyone else.

[pasnow]

WOW, that last link sent chills down my spine, no joke.? Are those for real??

I think the last one was a joke.. Almost like a chain email sent around with "Fwd:Fwd:Re;Re:Fwd:Re:RE;Fwd" in the subject line. If anyone is stupid enough to think their turn to vote is on Wednesday, well, that's their own fault.

[GeorgeSteele]

WOW, that last link sent chills down my spine, no joke.? Are those for real??

I think the last one was a joke.. Almost like a chain email sent around with "Fwd:Fwd:Re;Re:Fwd:Re:RE;Fwd" in the subject line. If anyone is stupid enough to think their turn to vote is on Wednesday, well, that's their own fault.

Those flyers were very real and they were actually distributed.  You can focus on the potential stupidity of the recipients; I prefer to comment on the pathetic excuses for human beings that wrote and doled them out in the first place.

[pasnow]

Those flyers were very real and they were actually distributed.?

But were they ever taken seriously?? It seems too ridiculous to me that anyone believed it. I could make 100 flyers saying "Election Day has been cancelled for Republicans this year" and place them in car windshields on Nov 6th, doesn't mean it will affect voter turnout.. and it also wouldn't represent the entire democratic party. The first few, yeah were very misleading, the last one seems like a prank.

[sandman]

WOW, that last link sent chills down my spine, no joke.? Are those for real??

I think the last one was a joke.. Almost like a chain email sent around with "Fwd:Fwd:Re;Re:Fwd:Re:RE;Fwd" in the subject line. If anyone is stupid enough to think their turn to vote is on Wednesday, well, that's their own fault.

Those flyers were very real and they were actually distributed.? You can focus on the potential stupidity of the recipients; I prefer to comment on the pathetic excuses for human beings that wrote and doled them out in the first place.

I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives

how about any SOFT evidence? or ANY evidence at all???

any legitimate news sources confirming they were sent out at all?

regardless, you lose all credibility posting crap like that. there were chain e-mails going around during the last election. it's a joke.

and to try to link it to the GOP is sad and misleading. 

[GeorgeSteele]

I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives

how about any SOFT evidence? or ANY evidence at all???

any legitimate news sources confirming they were sent out at all?

regardless, you lose all credibility posting crap like that. there were chain e-mails going around during the last election. it's a joke.

and to try to link it to the GOP is sad and misleading.?

'ANY' evidence?  Ever watch Court TV, Perry Mason?  Motive is considered evidence.  What is sad is your oversensitivity to my post.  My point was not to "link it to the GOP" but to contrast the party's lack of action on voter suppression with their voter ID high horse.

And, no, those were not from chain emails, those were actual flyers distributed, and reported in legitimate news outlets at the time. 

[sandman]

I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives

how about any SOFT evidence? or ANY evidence at all???

any legitimate news sources confirming they were sent out at all?

regardless, you lose all credibility posting crap like that. there were chain e-mails going around during the last election. it's a joke.

and to try to link it to the GOP is sad and misleading.?

'ANY' evidence?? Ever watch Court TV, Perry Mason?? Motive is considered evidence.? What is sad is your oversensitivity to my post.? My point was not to "link it to the GOP" but to contrast the party's lack of action on voter suppression with their voter ID high horse.

And, no, those were not from chain emails, those were actual flyers distributed, and reported in legitimate news outlets at the time.?

i don't care what your point was. the FACT is that you DID link it to the GOP. 

those fake letters exist on both sides. but i think it would be unfair to link them to any leader on the dem side without evidence.

and both sides are guilty of trying to cheat the system. there's lots of cleaning up to do. in 2004, the dems solicited prison votes improperly, and tried to limit the votes of our soldiers overseas.

[GeorgeSteele]

I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives

how about any SOFT evidence? or ANY evidence at all???

any legitimate news sources confirming they were sent out at all?

regardless, you lose all credibility posting crap like that. there were chain e-mails going around during the last election. it's a joke.

and to try to link it to the GOP is sad and misleading.?

'ANY' evidence?? Ever watch Court TV, Perry Mason?? Motive is considered evidence.? What is sad is your oversensitivity to my post.? My point was not to "link it to the GOP" but to contrast the party's lack of action on voter suppression with their voter ID high horse.

And, no, those were not from chain emails, those were actual flyers distributed, and reported in legitimate news outlets at the time.?

i don't care what your point was. the FACT is that you DID link it to the GOP.?

those fake letters exist on both sides. but i think it would be unfair to link them to any leader on the dem side without evidence.

and both sides are guilty of trying to cheat the system. there's lots of cleaning up to do. in 2004, the dems solicited prison votes improperly, and tried to limit the votes of our soldiers overseas.

I'll be careful to avoid any blasphemy next time and not besmirch the clean and glorious reputation of the GOP with the implication that they may have possibly cheated to win elections.  We all know they've never done anything in the past - or more recently - that did not hold to the highest standards of morality and decency.   

Whoever the fuck is doing this, Dems, Repos, Nazis, whoever, they should be tarred, feathered and impaled.  If I only posted voter suppression flyers that implicated the GOP, it's because it was all I could find.  If you can uncover any evidence of Dem-related bogus letters, please feel free. 

[Mal Brossard]

Right, and don't forget these beauties...

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/voter-suppression-flyers.html

Sadly the first one in there is from my hometown.

[sandman]

I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives

how about any SOFT evidence? or ANY evidence at all???

any legitimate news sources confirming they were sent out at all?

regardless, you lose all credibility posting crap like that. there were chain e-mails going around during the last election. it's a joke.

and to try to link it to the GOP is sad and misleading.?

'ANY' evidence?? Ever watch Court TV, Perry Mason?? Motive is considered evidence.? What is sad is your oversensitivity to my post.? My point was not to "link it to the GOP" but to contrast the party's lack of action on voter suppression with their voter ID high horse.

And, no, those were not from chain emails, those were actual flyers distributed, and reported in legitimate news outlets at the time.?

i don't care what your point was. the FACT is that you DID link it to the GOP.?

those fake letters exist on both sides. but i think it would be unfair to link them to any leader on the dem side without evidence.

and both sides are guilty of trying to cheat the system. there's lots of cleaning up to do. in 2004, the dems solicited prison votes improperly, and tried to limit the votes of our soldiers overseas.

I only posted voter suppression flyers that implicated the GOP

you just don't get it.

anyway, when people play this "my side is more ethical than your side" bullshit, i call them on it.

both sides are scum, and if you don't realize that, you're just blinded by your partisanship. 

many Dems and Republicans would do just about anything to win. 

[GeorgeSteele]

I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives

how about any SOFT evidence? or ANY evidence at all???

any legitimate news sources confirming they were sent out at all?

regardless, you lose all credibility posting crap like that. there were chain e-mails going around during the last election. it's a joke.

and to try to link it to the GOP is sad and misleading.?

'ANY' evidence?? Ever watch Court TV, Perry Mason?? Motive is considered evidence.? What is sad is your oversensitivity to my post.? My point was not to "link it to the GOP" but to contrast the party's lack of action on voter suppression with their voter ID high horse.

And, no, those were not from chain emails, those were actual flyers distributed, and reported in legitimate news outlets at the time.?

i don't care what your point was. the FACT is that you DID link it to the GOP.?

those fake letters exist on both sides. but i think it would be unfair to link them to any leader on the dem side without evidence.

and both sides are guilty of trying to cheat the system. there's lots of cleaning up to do. in 2004, the dems solicited prison votes improperly, and tried to limit the votes of our soldiers overseas.

I only posted voter suppression flyers that implicated the GOP

 Republicans would do just about anything to win.?

If you're going to chop up and manipulate my posts, I figured I'd join the fun.  The 2nd half of that sentence you quoted was kind of relevant, but I'm not surprised you left it out.  I know it must be very convenient for you, but you've done it twice already and it comes across as desperate. 

So let's try this again.  I couldn't find any Dem-related voter suppression letters (and I really did try).  You say they exist on both sides... so, if you can find any, post them. 

[usedtoloverher]

Until the right wing fascist?s have their powers thrown out, the good ole USA will always be a capitalists paradise.

That's not the point of this thread, Fidel, but in any case, capitalism in the "good ole USA" has been on quite a good run for the last 2+ centuries. And the problem with these "right wing fascists" is not that they promote, it's that they hinder capitalism and entrepreneurship through their reverse-socialist policies of diverting all wealth to multi-national mega corporations at the expense of everyone else.

I wanna make it clear that when using the term "right wing fascists", I was refering to the republican party.

[sandman]

I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives

how about any SOFT evidence? or ANY evidence at all???

any legitimate news sources confirming they were sent out at all?

regardless, you lose all credibility posting crap like that. there were chain e-mails going around during the last election. it's a joke.

and to try to link it to the GOP is sad and misleading.?

'ANY' evidence?? Ever watch Court TV, Perry Mason?? Motive is considered evidence.? What is sad is your oversensitivity to my post.? My point was not to "link it to the GOP" but to contrast the party's lack of action on voter suppression with their voter ID high horse.

And, no, those were not from chain emails, those were actual flyers distributed, and reported in legitimate news outlets at the time.?

i don't care what your point was. the FACT is that you DID link it to the GOP.?

those fake letters exist on both sides. but i think it would be unfair to link them to any leader on the dem side without evidence.

and both sides are guilty of trying to cheat the system. there's lots of cleaning up to do. in 2004, the dems solicited prison votes improperly, and tried to limit the votes of our soldiers overseas.

I only posted voter suppression flyers that implicated the GOP

 Republicans would do just about anything to win.?

If you're going to chop up and manipulate my posts, I figured I'd join the fun.? The 2nd half of that sentence you quoted was kind of relevant, but I'm not surprised you left it out.? I know it must be very convenient for you, but you've done it twice already and it comes across as desperate.?

So let's try this again.? I couldn't find any Dem-related voter suppression letters (and I really did try).? You say they exist on both sides... so, if you can find any, post them.?

i'll try to spell it out as simply as i can.

you keep blaming Republican leaders (i.e. the GOP) for those letters. but that is NOT TRUE.

[The Dog]

I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives

how about any SOFT evidence? or ANY evidence at all???

any legitimate news sources confirming they were sent out at all?

regardless, you lose all credibility posting crap like that. there were chain e-mails going around during the last election. it's a joke.

and to try to link it to the GOP is sad and misleading. 

'ANY' evidence?  Ever watch Court TV, Perry Mason?  Motive is considered evidence.  What is sad is your oversensitivity to my post.  My point was not to "link it to the GOP" but to contrast the party's lack of action on voter suppression with their voter ID high horse.

And, no, those were not from chain emails, those were actual flyers distributed, and reported in legitimate news outlets at the time. 

i don't care what your point was. the FACT is that you DID link it to the GOP. 

those fake letters exist on both sides. but i think it would be unfair to link them to any leader on the dem side without evidence.

and both sides are guilty of trying to cheat the system. there's lots of cleaning up to do. in 2004, the dems solicited prison votes improperly, and tried to limit the votes of our soldiers overseas.

I only posted voter suppression flyers that implicated the GOP

you just don't get it.

anyway, when people play this "my side is more ethical than your side" bullshit, i call them on it.

both sides are scum, and if you don't realize that, you're just blinded by your partisanship. 

many Dems and Republicans would do just about anything to win. 

Sorry, but there is degree of scum, just like there is a lesser of two evils.  Ask yourself honestly....who is infamous for running smear campaigns, dirty, below the belt ads.....don't even try to say thats how the Dems are.  This isn't even a who is better comment..its pretty much a fact that Repubs, esp the likes of Karl Rove are notorious for taking their attacks too far and/or using fear to scare the bejesus out of people to get votes:

Hillary Clinton being called "ugly"

The blatantly RACIST ads against Harold Ford

Limbaughs MJ Fox comments

Using 9-11 and Osama images in campaign ads

Calling Max Cleland weak on defense (guy gave three limps to his country)

Rove even used his scum bag tricks against John McCain in the GOP primary in 2000

I'm sure there are tons more, but I'm writing this fast....

Now I'm not saying the dems are angels, but if you genuinely believe its 50/50, you're full of it.  Like GeorgeSteele said too...show us some examples.

[GeorgeSteele]

I don't believe there is any hard evidence that they originated from any GOP candidates or official party operatives

how about any SOFT evidence? or ANY evidence at all???

any legitimate news sources confirming they were sent out at all?

regardless, you lose all credibility posting crap like that. there were chain e-mails going around during the last election. it's a joke.

and to try to link it to the GOP is sad and misleading.?

'ANY' evidence?? Ever watch Court TV, Perry Mason?? Motive is considered evidence.? What is sad is your oversensitivity to my post.? My point was not to "link it to the GOP" but to contrast the party's lack of action on voter suppression with their voter ID high horse.

And, no, those were not from chain emails, those were actual flyers distributed, and reported in legitimate news outlets at the time.?

i don't care what your point was. the FACT is that you DID link it to the GOP.?

those fake letters exist on both sides. but i think it would be unfair to link them to any leader on the dem side without evidence.

and both sides are guilty of trying to cheat the system. there's lots of cleaning up to do. in 2004, the dems solicited prison votes improperly, and tried to limit the votes of our soldiers overseas.

I only posted voter suppression flyers that implicated the GOP

 Republicans would do just about anything to win.?

If you're going to chop up and manipulate my posts, I figured I'd join the fun.? The 2nd half of that sentence you quoted was kind of relevant, but I'm not surprised you left it out.? I know it must be very convenient for you, but you've done it twice already and it comes across as desperate.?

So let's try this again.? I couldn't find any Dem-related voter suppression letters (and I really did try).? You say they exist on both sides... so, if you can find any, post them.?

i'll try to spell it out as simply as i can.

you keep blaming Republican leaders (i.e. the GOP) for those letters. but that is NOT TRUE.

Show me where I blamed any Republican leaders? ?And quote an actual sentence of mine in full this time. ?And how do you know it's not true? ?Neither one of us knows that for sure - except I have already acknowledged that.

And funny, it was you who said, "those fake letters exist on both sides", but I'm still waiting for an example from the other side. ?You must have seen one of those letters because otherwise you wouldn't have said that. ?Right? ?

[sandman]

you guys are right. sure, they are all politicians playing in the same dirty game. but your guys (i.e. the Democrats) are the "good" guys. and the Republicans are the "bad" guys.

in fact, that's true in life....

Conservatives tend to be more evil, and more likely to cheat.
Liberals are better people with higher moral fiber.

[SLCPUNK]

WOW, that last link sent chills down my spine, no joke.  Are those for real? 

I think the last one was a joke.. Almost like a chain email sent around with "Fwd:Fwd:Re;Re:Fwd:Re:RE;Fwd" in the subject line. If anyone is stupid enough to think their turn to vote is on Wednesday, well, that's their own fault.

I also blame the teenage pages for egging Foley on with their "naughty emails."

Shame on them.