Transformers 2007

[25]

i love the new designs - though Megatron perhaps wasnt as well thought out as he could have been

None of the designs were "well thought out," as they're all based around one huge brain-fart: These designs are supposed to be "realistic" because when in robot form  all of the internal and external vehicle parts are still on display. Why is that a fallacy? Because these giant robots aren't really cars and trucks, they're really giant robots. Why are they full of car parts? Surely they should be full of robot parts which facilitate transmogrification between their different forms? Shouldn't they? Of course they should. Silly robots.

Maybe they evolved from Nasa space-junk. That would be pretty ironic.

[crow316]

I cant believe Im going to actually try and argue this point, but Im board.  The designs dont look like the cartoon because this is "live action".  Thats why they dont resemble the original designs.  Optimus looks awsome.  And so does Bumblebee.  Im waiting to see how the rest work on screen. Also, did you want Megatron to become a hand held gun?  Im happy they came up with new designs.  It makes this movie more than just a retro 80s thing.   Anyways, Im not some Transformers fanboy,  I just hate that message boards have become a dumping ground of negativity when it comes to movies.  Also, Michael Bay isnt THAT bad.  He delivers what he promises.  Pearl Harbor was kinda dumb, because he took himself too seriously. And since then, he has become an easy target.  But I felt that he redeemed himself with the Island.

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The designs dont look like the cartoon because this is "live action".  Thats why they dont resemble the original designs.

That makes no sense. Transformers fanboys could point to any number of cross-platform franchises as proof that good design transcends media. And in return we could argue that Transformers cartoon characters are hardly the pinnacle of iconic design. To which the fanboys could argue that if you don't like the design of the characters and you intend to change their story there seems to be little point in licensing their franchise when you could just make up your own robot names and silly narrative and call it an original movie, leaving their 80s cartoon franchise unmolested. To which we would reply "well, that's Hollywood for you."




 

[pilferk]

To which we would reply "well, that's Hollywood for you."

Amen, brother.

I'll wait for the DVD...then, if it's shit, at least I can stop it, get up, put it in my driveway, and back over it repeatedly why cursing Bay.

And if it's not...I'll only have waited about 3 months longer than the theater crowd.

Seems a worthwhile trade off.....

[Izzy]

Why are they full of car parts?

...er, disguise...remember?

You could ask why a giant robot would bother to take on a disguise in the first place - the whole transformation thing is pure nonsense, it serves no purpose at all!

...but its fun, aint it?

Surely they should be full of robot parts which facilitate transmogrification between their different forms? Shouldn't they?

...er...they do.

What looks like a car door etc is just a part of their body...disguised. Its full of 'robot parts' but outwardly has been formatted for its new appearence

..if you could make your hard drive look like a steering wheel, hell - why the hell not?

The original cartoon designs were shite even back then - 30 foot robot into a gun...or boom box...and where DID that trailer come from?

Funnt how people forget this stuff....

Why would a robot able to fly convert into a plane?

Maybe they evolved from Nasa space-junk. That would be pretty ironic.

...indeed, Nasa missions ACHIEVEING something!

Transformers are supposed to be aliens, wouldnt an alien design look.....alien to our eyes?

[The Dog]

izzy i don't get you at all...you shit all over movies that most people like, yet you applaud the AWFUL designs/story of this movie that almost everyone else seems to hate.   do you like just going against the grain??

how anyone who is even remotely a fan of the original show says these designs are good is WAY beyond me.

[Izzy]

To which we would reply "well, that's Hollywood for you."

Amen, brother.

I'll wait for the DVD...then, if it's shit, at least I can stop it, get up, put it in my driveway, and back over it repeatedly why cursing Bay.

And if it's not...I'll only have waited about 3 months longer than the theater crowd.

Seems a worthwhile trade off.....

...how will it be....''shit''?

Ur not seriosuly going to evaluate a film designed to sell toys, made by a toy company by criteria like plot, acting and internal coherance?

The original show was utterly absurd - gun>robot, the fact the governments of Earth never reacted to the Transformers and the strange decision of both factions to fight over Earth rather than just get ''energon'' elsewhere...

Transformers has always been stupid - its about blatant commericialism and having a good time,

How the hell will a director that fills his films with product placements anyway possible go wrong?!?

[Izzy]

izzy i don't get you at all

and i pray u never will

...you shit all over movies that most people like, yet you applaud the AWFUL designs/story of this movie that almost everyone else seems to hate.

everyone i assume is...you?

'cos the original transformers designs were so cool!



....really?

..and the ''Awful'' story? Worse than ''find all the red crystals!''

This films plot is ''find the Allspark!' - familiar?

  do you like just going against the grain??

I can make up my own mind on things, most people cant

how anyone who is even remotely a fan of the original show says these designs are good is WAY beyond me.

..so basically u want an exact duplication of 'more than meets the eye parts 1,2 and 3' on the big screen?

wow, that would be bold!

''i aint gonna see this film cos the robot that turns into a car looks to much like a car that turned into a robot''

what....ever

[The Dog]

Please, I know you love me. 

What is "find all the red crystals"??  I don't remember that one.

I don't know what is wrong with re-telling a good story.  Why do you have to make up a new one...just to be "bold" and "fresh".  Yeah, I have an idea...lets remake superman and give him a kid!! GENIUS!!  Or how about we tell the story of darth vader growing up but lets introduce this guy named Jar-Jar b/c its "bold" and "fresh".  I'm glad you're not writing movies.

[crow316]

Quote from: crow316 on Today at 04:43:02 AM
The designs dont look like the cartoon because this is "live action".  Thats why they dont resemble the original designs.


That makes no sense. Transformers fanboys could point to any number of cross-platform franchises as proof that good design transcends media. And in return we could argue that Transformers cartoon characters are hardly the pinnacle of iconic design. To which the fanboys could argue that if you don't like the design of the characters and you intend to change their story there seems to be little point in licensing their franchise when you could just make up your own robot names and silly narrative and call it an original movie, leaving their 80s cartoon franchise unmolested. To which we would reply "well, that's Hollywood for you."

What I meant was, in the cartoon, because its animation, they can magically transform from robot to car without anyone questioning it.   In the "real" world, the robot designs actually have to look like they can work, and actually transform.  Thats the biggest reason for the design change.  Also, the designs are updated so as to not look like an 80s cartoon.  And by the way, how is making a live action movie molesting an 80s franchise?  The cartoons are still there.  You can watch them whenever you want.  The movie does nothing to them.  I dont even know if Im going to like this movie.  Im just saying I understand a lot of what the filmakers have been doing.  Changes are neccessary.  A strict translation to film would be pointless, and really wouldnt work anyway. 

[The Dog]

Quote from: crow316 on Today at 04:43:02 AM
The designs dont look like the cartoon because this is "live action".  Thats why they dont resemble the original designs.


That makes no sense. Transformers fanboys could point to any number of cross-platform franchises as proof that good design transcends media. And in return we could argue that Transformers cartoon characters are hardly the pinnacle of iconic design. To which the fanboys could argue that if you don't like the design of the characters and you intend to change their story there seems to be little point in licensing their franchise when you could just make up your own robot names and silly narrative and call it an original movie, leaving their 80s cartoon franchise unmolested. To which we would reply "well, that's Hollywood for you."

What I meant was, in the cartoon, because its animation, they can magically transform from robot to car without anyone questioning it.   In the "real" world, the robot designs actually have to look like they can work, and actually transform.  Thats the biggest reason for the design change.  Also, the designs are updated so as to not look like an 80s cartoon.  And by the way, how is making a live action movie molesting an 80s franchise?  The cartoons are still there.  You can watch them whenever you want.  The movie does nothing to them.  I dont even know if Im going to like this movie.  Im just saying I understand a lot of what the filmakers have been doing.  Changes are neccessary.  A strict translation to film would be pointless, and really wouldnt work anyway. 

I have no problems with changes.  but when you radically redesign how the characters look, change their entire origin story....why!?!?  does prime need flames on him?  do robots have lips!!!!!!!  No more Arc? No matrix?  Starscream looks like a monkey....

some changes are just STOOOPID.  did batman need nipples on his costume?  Izzy probably loved that...TOTALLY bold move!!!

[pilferk]

...how will it be....''shit''?

Ur not seriosuly going to evaluate a film designed to sell toys, made by a toy company by criteria like plot, acting and internal coherance?

The original show was utterly absurd - gun>robot, the fact the governments of Earth never reacted to the Transformers and the strange decision of both factions to fight over Earth rather than just get ''energon'' elsewhere...

Transformers has always been stupid - its about blatant commericialism and having a good time,

How the hell will a director that fills his films with product placements anyway possible go wrong?!?

I realize what the film is supposed to be.....and I certainly enjoy a good summer popcorn action blockbuster as much as the next guy.  I'm just not sure Bay can pull it off.  We'll see. 

Notice I said "IF it's shit", not "it will be shit".  For my money, it's still even money how it will turn out.  Because execution is going to be everything in this type of movie.  So I'll wait.

[Axlfreek]

I am very disapointed.

How can this be Megatron ?

[lastroots]

This is a pretty early picture, but the final version still looks like shit.

Ok, I understand that they would have gotten in trouble by just converting the cartoon characters, but these things look nothing like Transformers, they just look like som crazy aliens, and I've seen better ones.

[pilferk]

This is a pretty early picture, but the final version still looks like shit.

Ok, I understand that they would have gotten in trouble by just converting the cartoon characters, but these things look nothing like Transformers, they just look like som crazy aliens, and I've seen better ones.

All the designs I've seen seem to put me in the mind of "Independance Day"...I don't know why.

[lastroots]

I thought the same.

Man if they want to combine robots that really look like Transformers and besides have a realistic transformation concept, why not base it on an advanced design of the Alternators line?

Man, the point when I was really shocked was when I saw Starscream. He's such a cool character, and now he looks like a fuckin' robot-chicken.

[25]

What I meant was, in the cartoon, because its animation, they can magically transform from robot to car without anyone questioning it.   In the "real" world, the robot designs actually have to look like they can work, and actually transform.  Thats the biggest reason for the design change.  Also, the designs are updated so as to not look like an 80s cartoon.  And by the way, how is making a live action movie molesting an 80s franchise?  The cartoons are still there.  You can watch them whenever you want.   

I really, really don't want to watch them but thanks all the same.

I can appreciate that some changes are usually necessary in making an unnecessary translation from kids cartoon to kids live-action movie but I'm more sympathetic towards the pre-existing fans on this one. We aren't looking at simple aesthetic changes here but radical redesigns of the characters and rewriting of their story which goes so far beyond the "necessary" as to suggest that those involved in the production are less interested in "bringing the franchise to the big screen" than they are in making lots of money by sticking recognizable names and logos on their otherwise unrelated giant robot movie.

But if there's one thing I enjoy about how this "translation" has played out it's that the inevitable line of toys based on this movie-based-on-a-cartoon-based-on-a-toy-line are going to be so impractical or potentially injurious as to defeat the very purpose of the movie.

[The Dog]

The NEW transformers theme song (from the movie)

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32910


I can't even comment on it.....my ears are bleeding.   Awful, total shit, bastardization do not even begin to describe this....


For everyone that makes fun of/laughs at "the touch", you will be BEGGING for that song after you listen to this puke.

[Izzy]

Please, I know you love me.?

for sure sugar

What is "find all the red crystals"??  I don't remember that one.

More than meets the eye part 2 - they go looking for....red crystals....for some reason

The ep featured Optimus getting blasted off the side of a mountain...ah memories....

I don't know what is wrong with re-telling a good story.

Robots come to Earth and fight for ''resources'', they havent really changed much...

...except Optimus and Megatron are now brothers.....there is no Ark...all the backstories are wrong....oh no, damn u Michael Bay!

Why do you have to make up a new one...just to be "bold" and "fresh".  Yeah, I have an idea...lets remake superman and give him a kid!! GENIUS!!

Superman Returns rocked.....oh wait, no....

c'mon that film had Bryan Singer directing, thats to all intents and purposes an official health warning - we choose to ignore it, so we cant really complain....

Or how about we tell the story of darth vader growing up but lets introduce this guy named Jar-Jar b/c its "bold" and "fresh".  I'm glad you're not writing movies.

...its quite possible to go....'new' and not shite, ya know

...though i cant actually think of any examples.....

[The Dog]

"...except Optimus and Megatron are now brothers"

I didn't know that (thanks for the spoiler jerky!!!!    )

but now that i do....oh my god, please tell me you're kidding.  is bumblebee optimus' son too??  sigh.


Izzy, listen to the theme song i posted and tell me if you like it.