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« on: December 05, 2022, 03:48:37 PM »

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     Is this last version of Guns N' Roses more of a business or more of a Rock N' Roll band?

     Maybe both?  Lips Sealed

What do you think?

     Finding out that Izzy Stradlin would not be part of the 2016 reunion made me consider that making business,i.e, millions of dollars, is "possibly" more important for Axl than making genuine Rock N' Roll music. I advocate for Izzy especially for his HUGE musical contribution to GN'R, becoming the second most important composer of the band, something that most people do not weigh on. His contribution to the future of the band would be priceless for Rock N' Roll music if included.

     GN'R also excluded Steven Adler and Matt Sorum, who are passionate musicians, but I honestly do not know why. Maybe because Axl wants to lead GN'R in another musical direction than Appetite, Lies, and the Illusion Albums? It is a possibility.

     Some people say that they do not represent a major economic benefit for the GN'R enterprise, so they were left behind. In the case of Izzy, they could not reach an economic deal with him. Axl did not agree to pay him as much as Izzy wanted. But there is a chance Izzy wanted a lot of money.

     GN'R management excluded Richard, Melissa, Frank, and even Dizzy Reed, who has been in the band for more than 30 years, from promo ART, leaving Axl, Slash, and Duff on the front of "lithography. The reason for this, 'though, is clear, they do not represent an economic benefit that can be used in marketing.

   
     Axl said in a short interview in 2016, shortly after the reunion, that Slash and Duff started practicing Chinese Democracy songs, without him intervening in that decision, that is to say, without him pushing them to, which could be true. But I consider that before reuniting with Axl and the rest of his bandmates, Duff and Slash, they must have signed a contract with specifications and obligations to fulfill, and it is my belief that playing Chinese Democracy songs were part of that contract because a manager wants to know what his employees' obligations are.

     Some people used to say Slash did not play his part in Chinese Democracy songs, in live concerts, with passion, What do you think?

     I wonder if this last version of GN'R will have beautiful chemistry in the studio, as they did not choose to work with each other, Axl told them to.

     Who owns the name/brand of Guns N' Roses? Is it still Axl? Then Slash and Duff have obligations toward him. This is just my personal belief,  I think that Slash and Duff were almost pushed to record his parts over Silkworms and turn them into "ABSURD", considering the ego of the TOP-HATTED man.

    Take care, I will be writing something down later.

     Cheers...

 

     






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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2022, 04:06:05 PM »

It's a business.

Which, by the way, is not a dirty word.  Acts at the level of a Guns N' Roses are moneymaking endeavors by nature.

It's why I always frowned on the term "cash grab".  Know what's a "cash grab"?  Every tour, by every band, EVER.  They aren't touring the world out of the goodness of their hearts.  They are there to make money.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2022, 06:34:25 PM »

As soon as they signed any contract, they became more than just five guys in a band.



It's a business.

Which, by the way, is not a dirty word.  Acts at the level of a Guns N' Roses are moneymaking endeavors by nature.

It's why I always frowned on the term "cash grab".  Know what's a "cash grab"?  Every tour, by every band, EVER.  They aren't touring the world out of the goodness of their hearts.  They are there to make money.


Exactly.

Can anyone name any major level bands/artists who are fine with not making any profit on anything?





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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2022, 06:43:32 PM »

Some things are more of a cash grab than others, though.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2022, 06:59:03 PM »

Some things are more of a cash grab than others, though.

The KISS coffin (seriously...it's a thing) that's a cash grab.

Musicians plying their trade live is not a cash grab.  It's the job.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2022, 08:17:50 PM »

It's ok for GNR to be a job, but it would be cool if it was also still a creative outlet.
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« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 06:41:04 AM »

To me it's ok as long as they are truly "friends" again. If it was for business only, they could have the reunion done many years before. That said, it has  become pretty fast a "milking the cow show" only  and if nowadays i personally don't care much about a gnr album (they are probably past their prime creative peak), it always saddens me seeing cool musicians who don't create anything. Art is based on making something people can enjoy and there is a point i think you can't call yourself an "artist" anymore.
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« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 03:28:41 PM »


To me it's ok as long as they are truly "friends" again. If it was for business only, they could have the reunion done many years before. That said, it has  become pretty fast a "milking the cow show" only  and if nowadays i personally don't care much about a gnr album (they are probably past their prime creative peak), it always saddens me seeing cool musicians who don't create anything. Art is based on making something people can enjoy and there is a point i think you can't call yourself an "artist" anymore.


I have consistently said the best part of this reunion is that they seem to be having legit fun up there.

The UYI tour will always be the height of the band for me.  Most nights, that's not a happy band on stage.  Slash and Duff are hammered, and Axl is mad at the fucking world.  Those shows seemed like "a job".

I see none of that now.  And the pics I have liked the most are pics of the 3 of them (yes, even including Axl) just backstage chilling.
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« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 07:34:31 PM »

To me it's ok as long as they are truly "friends" again. If it was for business only, they could have the reunion done many years before. That said, it has  become pretty fast a "milking the cow show" only  and if nowadays i personally don't care much about a gnr album (they are probably past their prime creative peak), it always saddens me seeing cool musicians who don't create anything. Art is based on making something people can enjoy and there is a point i think you can't call yourself an "artist" anymore.

This is usually my response as well. They were offered millions of dollars to do just one show on many occasions over the years and always rejected it. They didn't get back together until they decided they actually wanted to, on their own terms. The idea that they could have ever reunited and it would have not been a huge draw for ticket sales is just stupid. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy; the evidence that they're only doing it for the money is the money the tour is making. It would have made money regardless of whether they were doing it because they wanted to or just for the money. The argument makes no sense.
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« Reply #9 on: Today at 01:40:29 AM »

I thought they did a good job of keeping the fans guessing who was in the band.  Axl has always been loyal, so it was no shock to see Richard and Frank still involved.  This is the best lineup since the AFD days.  This is a business also... Doing box sets of both AFD and UYI is a no brainer... we've got new music in Absurd, Hard Skool and there's more to come.  GnR isn't your ordinary band... They do things their own way.
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