Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I just cannot take Dizzy seriously. I have ZERO interest in seeing him play live. I'm sorry, but Dizzy means NOTHING in the real history and legacy of Guns n' Roses. He's a yes man, that's why he's still around. Robin, Tommy, Brain - they are smart enough to make money using Axl and the GnR name, and they too are probably "yes" men. But hey, they're making money, and if this thing ever does sail, they'll be there....

.... But I cannot stand seeing Dizzy thinking he is part of Guns n Roses, he's NOT!! At the 2 shows I was at in 2002, he got loud applause......can i ask a question.....WHY, FOR WHAT??? Slash and Duff probably have NO RESPECT for him. He's a tag-along....he's not important, at all. The Blues is a good song, but that intro is kinda gay anyway. the song is cool, but mostly b/c of the outro and the verse chord changes. the piano part is kinda gay....its no axl masterpiece. I'm sorry, he's just annoying, thinking he's part of GnR.

Matt, to me, is part of GnR. Slash, Axl, Duff, Steven, Izzy....part of GnR. Shit man, I even feel like Gilby is more a part of GnR then Dizzy. During Paradise City, he used to play the tamborine LOLOL. He's useless....I guess we'll find out if CD ever comes how important he is, but to me, he gets no respect. he's NOT gnr....never will be.

Alot of people confuse him with Izzy Stradlin, and think hes an original member. I have heard more than a couple times people say Dizzy is a good song writer because they think hes Izzy. I think the synth in "Chinese Democracy" sounds cheesy, but it could be someone else playing that.

I think Dizzy will play an important part on the new GN'R album

I love Dizzy's playing and I can't take you seriously after that post.

After reading you statement I also have a question, who the fuck are YOU to say anything about a man who wrote and played on some of the finest GNR songs? Who the fuck are YOU to say anything about Dizzy?

I think that Dizzy is Part of Guns n' Roses since the beginning, because he plays an instrument just like slash, matt, tommy, etc. The people forget him because the Keyboards are the less popular instruments in the band. 

Cris Pittman is the one who doesn't have to be considered as a member!!  ;D

 :drool:

Dizzy is cool. I think he rocks  8)

Dizzys ok. Here there for the keyboards n the extra sound efects but still, he is a tag-allong. I mean come on. On use your illusion I and II for a lot of the songs he's doin keyboards right allongside Axl. He can play piano and all that techno crap but hes not what i picture when i hear "Guns N' Roses"

Dude, I somewhat agree with you on Blues intro bit,

but why the heck do you think we can take your argument seriously?

Unreasonable hate-posts are useless at the best, annoying to be honest.

Tara. :wave:

dizzy rocks, you suck. end of story.

It's not a hate-post. All i'm doing is saying my piece o' mind. I'm saying, sure dizzy did some of the best GN'R songs and sure he was there from the beggining but do you really thing the songs that he did would make a difference if you took dizzy out? The only reason he was there in the first place was 'caus Axl wanted to start doing techno-rock so he added someone on keyboards. Listen to Appitite, dizzy wasn't there and it was still a kick-ass album.

No.? :-[ I didn?t mean your post. I said "unreasonable hate posts" like the opening post of this thread, which is not yours.

Dizzy Read was essentially starving went Axl phoned and picked him as their keyboard player.  Really, a break of a lifetime.  I agree, he's a total yes man to Axl, he does whatever he says and backs him up all the time, even when it's obvious, he doesn't have any idea when/what is happening.  Clearly, this has kept him employed on a payroll for the last ten years.  So yes, I would take whatever he says with a huge grain of salt.

And what do you think about Cris Pittman?

Don't you think its likely that axl wrote 'the blues'... i wouldn't slag dizzy's work on the blues til you see the album credits... because if axl wrote you'll be worshipping it.

Dizzy had lots of cool piano parts on the illusions... bad apples, civil war, bad obsession... and how the fuck would you know if he can write... he was added to gnr after the illusions were written...

if he sucked as bad as you make him out to... then why would axl keep him around. ever thought he might actually believe in what axl is doing??? I for one am glad the next gnr album was 'its five oclock somewhere' or 'believe in me', or anything izzy has put out... i think dizzy probably has lots to contribute his contributes have just never seen the light

Let me get this straight, you dont think Dizzy is apart of guns n roses yet you think matt and gilby are?
You are zero credablity with a statement like that.? Dizzy was with gnr long before matt every came around.
Dizzy was friends with the band during the AFD/lies years.? So what the hell are you talking about?

and dizzy is a yes man and so are the others? Like I have always said, look at what people that have worked with axl have said about him, besides the old band, everyone has nothing but nice things to say about it.

Ask Joss Todd what is was like working with slash.
ITs was not very good.

I dont bash much but this calls for it.
You my friend are a jackass.

sorry Jarmo had to bitch him out

IDizzy is one of the most class-act people working in rock. He busts his ass playing for crowds of 200 to 20,000. He's remained loyal to Axl's vision of Guns N Roses when others walked away, yet has not spoken ill of his former bandmates.  The man has no ego, will sign any autogrpah, and talk to any fan and that alone is reason enough to respect him, IMO. 8)

well almost any autograph
he just wont sign the snake pit album  :rofl:

I never was a fan of the keyboard, or the piano (nice for a one time thing) but I have nothing against the man... I believe he's a yes man, and I feel he knows zero about the album in terms of release...

He's been around since 1990, he's stayed with axl through the years. It's cool he's still around.. WHy gnr needs pitman too is beyond me, I'm sure he does sound effects, but that's never been my bag or what gnr was about..Overkill to me..

dude...who the fuck are you?

Wait for the album before you think pittman is overkill.
He is not there for the AFD songs, he is there for the new songs.
ITs like saying NIN having a synth keyboard player is over kill.
Pittman will be huge when they start playing a lot of new songs

Daves right, he is zero credablity  :o


Yeah, like 6 months?  And GNR was opening for The Cult in ''87, so I think its safe to call Matt an AFD-era friend...

But really, the bottom-line is that a drummer, in a band like GNR anyway, is always more important than a keyboard player.  No debating it...


1) Whats Slash got to do with it?

2) Todd has said that he had a great time working with Slash.  He didnt like that he wasnt picked, but he never called Slash difficult or unpleasent to work with.  If he did, go ahead and post the quote.  In fact, find anybody whos had a hard time working with Slash.


Hahaha, Dave, come on...Youd think youd show a little compassion, because even you have to know that nobody on this forum has been "bitched out" or laughed at more than yourself...So save the insults - youre the very last person to insult anybody.

As for the topic, I think Dizzy has an important role in GNR as a longtime collaborator and source of support...However, I have a hard time accepting a keyboardist as a real, full-fledged member of a hard rock band... :-\  Unless every song has keyboards... :no:  But whatever, its pretty clear that hes got a big role in the new band.

Chris Pittman on the other hand...

booker fuck you
you can go to hell
u want to get bitched out
i have bitten my tongue with you long enough
u want to egg me on here ya go
sorry jarmo and mods but this has to be said
you want to ban for me a week, a month what ever that is fine ill take my medicine like a man

booker
u must have no fucking life and way too much time on your hands
u love to try and bait people because you get off on it
and im tired of you doing this to the whole board
u are the most hated person on this board without a doubt and most people on here dont even respect you
we all know the reason you come here is to pick apart peoples statements, twist their words and just start shit to get threads out of control
you ruin pretty much every pro new gnr thread with your antics
grow the fuck up, and get a life
the board would be better off with you

Let's not hate on Mother Goose. I do enjoy MG's flute sounds on The Blues.

Please get back to the topic...Thanks  : ok:

"2) Todd has said that he had a great time working with Slash.? He didnt like that he wasnt picked, but he never called Slash difficult or unpleasent to work with.? If he did, go ahead and post the quote.? In fact, find anybody whos had a hard time working with Slash."

Josh Todd said slash was bad to work with because everything something worked slash would just nix it because it worked. But I am sure you forgot that right?


"However, attention to Todd's success with his new group has not come without competition from the rumors circling his relationship with Velvet Revolver. There were allegations that some of the songs which Todd and Nelson wrote with the Gunners ended up, uncredited, on VR's Contraband, and that relations between Todd and Slash have been anything but friendly.
?I get so frustrated with this,? Todd sighs. ?People have made a bigger deal over this than almost anything else I've done.? The controversy began In April 2002 at the benefit for the family of Randy Castillo, former Ozzy and M?tley Cr?e drummer, who died of cancer. Slash, Matt Sorum and Duff McKagan asked Todd and Nelson to join them onstage as the night's main act.
?We're still friends. Afterwards, there was this huge buzz going around. It was a time when Keith and I were still writing songs for a third Buckcherry album and Slash and Duff were writing songs, and there was talk like, why not form a band? After Slash sh*t-canned the whole thing did what they were doing became a project later. He just didn't want me as a singer, that's all there is to it. He had decisions that he had to make you know, we all do. It was just a month out of my life,? Todd says. But the rumor that VR is currently using a Buckcherry tune on their album is actually true. "

so what does anything but friendly mean to you


As for a drummer being more important than a keyboard playing that is simply untrue. The drummer is the least important and everyone knows that.
Gnr have gone through 4 drummers, and? in? most bands the drummer is always the first to go.
You think keyboard players are not important, maybe you should check out a little band called THE DOORS.

I am dying to hear what the songs with Keith and Josh sound like.  I like VR, but something about Josh Todd's voice is simply awesome.  It is so raw.  One of my favorite songs off of Contraband is Dirty Little Thing.  A song co-written by Keith Nelson.  They are straight up rock.  We will never know what could have been.  Oh well, I am happy with VR.

The reason slash didnt want Josh is because Josh isnt a big name and slash knew with weiland they would sell more albums, it was not about making the best album possible, it was about selling out and picking the singer fans would flock to more.  That is also why they didnt pick their best friend S. Back.

I concur.  Weiland puts on a good show.  Josh Todd would have been my choice though.  Weilands vocals just can't match Slash's solo's the way Axl's could.  Anyway, wrong post in the wrong section.  Sorry.  Back to topic, Dizzy is a dork that got lucky to be in the biggest band in the world.  Good keyboard player?  sure.  Just a glorified session player. 

Dizzy helped write  a lot on CD and his talents will be shown on the album.
If dizzy is a glorified session player what is matt? He NEVER wrote one note in guns  n roses.

Actually, I dont remember that.  Maybe you could post that up to (in the VR section).



???

It doesnt mean anything since the writer wrote that...Todd said nothing in that quote about Slash being hard to work with.  Hes not thrilled about not being chosen, but actually expresses understanding of VRs decision - way to prove your point.



What does the number of drummers have to do with anything?  Theyve gone through a number of guitarists as well - that must mean the keyboardist is more important than guitar, right?

Keyboardists are important in some rock bands, but rarely are they ever as important as a drummer.  And GNR isnt the Doors.

jesus christ its just a godamn message board...quit being such pussies.

i actually like chris pittman and his contributions

in essence the same could be said for Matt.  You are correct.  Matt and Dizzy are about the same I guess.  Gilby may have been a replacement, but he was the coolest of the replacements.

Booker you asked for proof about the josh todd thing and I gave it, but like always you just want to ignore it and dismiss it, i guess you really dont know what anything but friendly intails.

And booker you and I both know what josh said about slashing just nixing stuff because it works.
IM not going to look up the exact quote, i did it last year when you asked for it.
That is just your bad memory acting up again.



And yes gnr are not the doors they are better.

Gibly was the perfect example of a work for hire.
He was just hired to play live with the band and that was it.

dave, you are right about what Josh Todd said.  I read it as well.  Clash of the egos.  Booker, dave's memory is correct this once. 

I cant take peopel like you seriously. Robin, Tommy,Brain,Fortus, pittman,dizzy and even bucket are not Yes men. You are so clueless its not even funny. First off, read the quotes that come from people who worked witht he band. They have said and so have the members that this is a total band effort. In fact, in case you havtn known, Robin and Axl have had fights in the past, and Robin has walked out because of it. And if Bucket was a "yes man" why did he leave? Its al garbage. Axl might control the business side of the band but musically its a band effort. So please get a clue.
Tommy is  apunk legend is all about the music. In no way shape or form would he use the GNR name to sell his own records. If that was the case, why did it take him 5 yrs to put out an album and "exploit" the gnr name? BUt think what you want...


As for what JOsh Todd said about Slash...its true what Dave said...soemthing to the effect of the material was good...and then Slash canned it because "it would work"...I remember someone else saying the same thing....

Dizzy: Dont hate him, dont love him...whatever
Erin

hahahahahaha thanks dave and booker!!!!!!!! holy shit what id pay to see u two box for charity or something!


i dont see how anyone can talk shit about dizzy or pittman when we have nothing to judge them by. Dizzy plays a great live keyboard,synth,piano, we havent tasted his writing skill, pittman we also have no idea, so lets wait till they do something before we bash em.

me to, and i think dizzwold reed is a cool fuckin guy and i do like his playing and in my opinion he is as much as a member as anybody in that band, yes he isnt an original member but hell only axl is an original member in the band right now.  dizzy in my opinion is on the level of matt, both participated heavily in the history of gnr, even if they werent in appetite, through the illusions and that illusions tours, and deserve there palce in GNR history, so leave dizzy the fuck alone.  as for tommy, robin,  get a fucking clue dude, tommy is a legend from the Mats and has no need to be a yes man, and if you listen to what he has said you can tell that he is there cause of the music and cause he enjoys making music and cause he feels axl is his friend.  Robin, hell robin and axl have fought before hell didnt robin even leave the band fore a while, like younggunner said , so no he aint a yes man and im sure that he has been heavily working on the new material.  like dizzy and tommy have both said the song writing process is very democratic and collective, 8 people writing together.

I have no problem with dizzy, but what has he actually written for guns that has been released?  During the Illusions era wasn't he just the touring keyboard player?

And it's the problem. Dizzy has been in the band (or at least he has been having contract) for 14 years, and there is nothing, we cannot judge his writing abilities. Pittman is in GN'R for 4(+) years, and we don't even know what he's doing. Once the album we'll be released we can judge their contribution to GN'R, but I would have never added a keyboard player to GN'R, maybe I would have chosen someone to help on tour in some songs, but IMO Dizzy's playing ruins most of the UYI songs he plays in (and it's not against Dizzy, most of the keyboard parts are needless). I'm sure he's a yes man (but I have no proof just like you have no proof against it) and it's kinda funny he plays GN'R songs on his concerts he didn't write, but I don't care.

And I'm not sure if Booker irritates the most people on this board.  :yes:

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!

Dizzys been 'round since 90', he aint no tag along you negative prick, i cant beleive half the shit you put in your thread.

its cool, it's your opinion, but c'mon dude, give the man some credit.

The Blues intro kinda gay you say, i dont think your much of a fan at all, and guess what, Dizzy to me is an origenal member, he's not a replacment like your mate Matt.

im sorry, i just think you should think about why you really hate the man 'cause i dont even think you know really :-\

Got to agree in a way he is an original, when GnR went to the UYI style of Music, the band changed and the need for a keyboardist was needed. There was no one in his shoes before him so he could be considered an original. Why did soemone even start a topic to pick on Dizzy? He has never said anythign bad about people and said he has no problem with the Ex members and very neutral.

When I saw this thread, it really pissed me off. When I read it I got even more pissed.

Dizzy rules! Dizzy is a great musican and a great all around guy. His loyalty is very important!!
I can't believe someone whould start a tread like this one. Why are some of us here always  so negitive?

DIZZY!!!! : ok:

I'm anarchy, it says it just left of this post. Use your eyes man.

Never considered Dizzy a real GNR member.  Would rather see Axl play the piano when neccesarry.  I think the keyboards need to see limited use in a rock band.

If Silkworms is any Indication of Dizz's musical influence on the band than I will take a pass and hope to God he is not allowed near the new album.

Well, I guess that eliminates Pink Floyd and Led Zep and the Rolling Stones and the Who as rock bands-right Philly? Give me a break... ::) ::) ::) Dizzy is of minimal value but keyboards have been an important part of rock and roll forever.

Dave... With over 3000 posts you really should know better!! You can fucking send him a PM if you're pissed with him... Do NOT insult other boardmembers. You know the rules and yet you break them. We know how you feel about Booker without shouting it at just about every thread.

And Booker... What the fuck is up with you taking posts and tearing them apart just for the fun of it? And I know you make a fine grammar police, but if you read the rules that is another thing that is not cool. People can clearly read what was being said.

And to see you 2 arguing about who of 2 members, past or present is more important in GN'R? You know those are questions that have no real answers when it's a matter of taste. Especially with those 2 since neither were original members.

He should be banned....If I or anyone else told someone to go F- themselves Jarmo would wave Bye-Bye to me... The rules should apply to everyone, regardless of postcount

If you put in the time,a person should get a pass.

Not to take sides or anything, but Dizzy really did not play piano all that much on the Illusion albums.  He did play piano on songs like Civil War, Bad Apples, Live and Let Die, Dust N' Bones, and Pretty Tied Up.  But, Axl played piano on Estranged, Breakdown, and Yesterdays.  Dizzy was rather important on several of these songs live, because Axl would only play piano on November Rain.  Overall, I have a neutral opinion of him.  He has stayed in the band for a while and done what is asked of him, but his continuous hints of when CD is coming out are getting annoying.  I hope that he, not Chris Pitman, is on keyboards on the album.

And same goes for you estranged33...

That sort of shit is not accepted here. Go find another board if you're keen on insulting other members of the board.

How come its ok for Dizzy to be called a "YEs MAn" now but not in the past. If he was such a meaningless part of GNR with the old lineup why wasn't he labeled that in the past? The only reason peopel think band members in this band are "Yes Men" is because 2 old members left the band. If one or both stayed this wouldnt even be an issue. BUt its ok, you can think what you want. All accounts show that this is far from a dictatorship. This is and will be a total band effort. Particularly musically. On the business side, yes you are right, Axl is the boss. BUt is that really something new. He was the boss with old GNR as well.

it was a joke, mr. anarchy

I dont exactly do it for the fun of it...Its because I usually disagree with the post.


I never insult somebody for poor grammar or typos...I think its a rather weak move.? However, theres a certain irony in an English-speaking person (Dave, no less) accusing somebody else of having no "credibility" in broken English thats hard to ignore.? It wasnt simply pointing out a typo...Its the absurdity of Dave insulting anybody over "credibility" and him fumbling in the process.? Ill try to avoid it next time (Im sure there will be many).? ;D


If you put in the time, you should know better, right?? Dave actually stated he knew better and did it anyway... :no:? Oh well, Im sure hes better now.?

However I did appreciate him writing his insults as a poem.? Very nice touch... :yes:

Fair point Skeba and I apologise! I'm 28 years old and I should know better. I just find it hard when I feel that we are so close to the annoucment we have all been waiting for and somebody puts such a negative post on this site! It just doesent seem to be needed! It seemed to me that it was only posted to antagonise people on here! But as I said you were right I shouldnt be slinging insults around.

After reading you statement I also have a question, who the fuck are YOU to say anything about a man who wrote and played on some of the finest GNR songs? Who the fuck are YOU to say anything about Dizzy?

Dizzy played a minor role on UYI and TSI - a role that any LA studio musician coulda done. So he's a good backup keyboard player at live shows and he signs autographs. He's probably a pretty cool guy, but until Axl puts out an album where Dizzy plays an important role in either the writing or playing of the music, he's just an afterthought. There's nothing really distinct about his playing that I've ever heard. I guess 976-HORNS would be "real" GNR members if they simply stuck around long enough.

Dizzy is a musician. Music is subject to criticism. If you're offended by me criticizing him, grow a set of balls.

Led Zep's Paul Jones was a bass player, but he played keyboards when the song needed it. I'd be happier with a Dizzy-less Pretty Tied Up and Bad Apples and it's so ridiculous when he plays some kind of drums during other songs. Maybe he is good for Nu-GN'R, time will tell, but I never considered him as a real member during te '85-'96 era.

Like this topic was to be read as one serious criticism?

Seriously, dude, read the statement on focus and tell me which part of it you can consider applicable.
Criticism to music? That post was practically an attempt at running down everything about new GNR members based on mere supposition.
I wouldn?t call it a criticism subjected music.

it's so ridiculous when he plays some kind of drums during other songs. Maybe he is good for Nu-GN'R, time will tell, but I never considered him as a real member during te '85-'96 era
Dude, that drum thing is a fucking BONGO, if you hear Welcome to the Jungle or Mr. Brownstone amoung others you will hear a bongo playing in the background on the Appitite album.

Plus, i've never conciderd Dizzy a member of that era either, just 1990' till now :hihi: ::)

Dizzy was a member of GN'R, but he was just a filler 'caus Axl didnt feel like playing piano on stage. The man has some talent, but if he learned a different instrument, Piano???? Why Piano?????

Man, I totally agree with that opening post !
And that comment about Slash not being easy to work with: Josh kinda angry, because he lost the slot to Scott in VR, so it's not strange of him to say something negativ about Slash.. But Slash have worked with hundreds of musicians and producers and so on, and from what I have seen, they all have only good things to say about him...He is honest, and friendly, and very social, the opposite of Axl. And Dizzy is a yes man, he also used to kiss Slash, and Duff's asses, before they were out of GnR.

Go see him at the dates below...he's a class act...an oh...he can play his ass off....
Dizzy Rules...and he's loyal to the vision that may sometimes need glasses....as it get's skewed by
whatever...but Axle has pushed away what some would call the GUNS N ROSES....if he didn't want Diz there..don't you think
someone so "unimportant...not talented"...etc...(whatever else has been said in this post)....Dont you think Diz would be gone by now if he stunk..and didn't contribute?

http://www.hookersnblowme.com
http://www.dizzyreed.com


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I personally like Dizzy (Hell, I named myself after him).? I think he's a good keyboard player and I enjoyed what little work he put into the UYI albums.? If Axl ever releases an album, I'm sure Dizzy's role will be more prominent.

Having said that, I will say that Dizzy obviously has no clue on what's going on with Axl's album, as do none of the other members of the band.? In all their interviews, they say the same thing: "hang on!? It's coming out soon!"? And then they talk about how they've "heard" that they'll be touring soon, or they've "heard" this, or "heard" that.? It's obvious that Axl doesn't keep them in the loop as to what's going on with the band.  Hence, anything that comes from the band regarding news of an album or tour must be taken with a grain of salt.  I think everyone here knows that.

Secondly, I will always say that Dizzy will always praise Axl, no matter what.? I wouldn't go as far as to accuse Dizzy of disingenuously aggrandizing Axl (at least not all the time), however, keep in mind that Dizzy is an employee of Axl.? And you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

As Prince said, "a true friend or mentor is someone who is not on your payroll."

Actually thats not why he's bitter... There is a quote(i will dig up when i get time) where he told the story of how slash and himself parted ways... They were all working on this 'new super group' (now VR) and all of a sudden one day slash comes in,  flips out and trashes the whole project... I remember this cause there was a huge debate on how axl isint the only one with a temper/ego....

Axl has worked with many musicans also, and the only ones who talk down about him are the ex GNR members....

He kissed duff's, slash's, matt's asses?!?! I think its more like he was their friend until they quit the band....

And all in all, how can you guys say Dizzy is a 'yes man' just because he's still around?? Is it because he's the only one who hasent ditched out??

BTW i'm Loaded Nightrain, i've been around other boards(formerly britt X here, a long time ago)...Nice to be back @ HTGTH

there's never room for too many chef's in the kitchen..it's quite obvious axle is the only core member of the GNR we all know and love...and it's him that makes GNR great...and put's it on hold...but it still takes his band to make things happen..whoever he chooses to be in it..it just so happens dizzy has been there for 14 years....

so whatever..it's not his place to say when the record is coming out...note..they are a huge band...dormaint as they may be..they could set the date..and the LABEL could push it back due to market..or whatever...so..what do you say then?...

stuff like that does happen....

dizzy is cool..and he's making use of his talents w/ Hookers N Blow..so what..come out and get drunk and hang w/ a guy that is more in GNR than you or I..and in fact the band is great...and most importantly ...the night is one to remember...or sit here on the boards badmouthing when no one really knows..except the core guys...

hnb

ANd many would say the same about Axl.

How does all that make it an "Axl album"? An album consists of music, not strategy and plans. And we have heard a million tiems that musically, this is a total band effort.
So in reality its not an "Axl album"

Axl controls the business/planning side of gnr. No argument there. But its not someting new with Axl. His past record shows with the old band that he wanted to control/steer the band with his vision......


I find it funny how peopel say Dizzy is insignificant as a musical part of the band yet they complain when he is not in the "loop". You cant have it both ways.

Axl and the band have a bond with each other musically and as friends. BUt most of you will continue to ignore or not respect that because you all think they are yes men. So does it really matter? Apparently the old members were Yes men to Axl back in the day but nobody said anything....

I've always felt pretty indifferent to Dizzy. I could take him or leave him. He seemed like such an unnecessary addition to the band. The majority of GNR songs don't use keyboards. Most of the songs he does play on didn't need keyboards. His role was just too small to make me take notice. He is just an average talent which also isn't enough to make me notice the small part he played in the band.

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   Re: Why I cannot take Dizzy seriously....
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I've always felt pretty indifferent to Dizzy. I could take him or leave him. He seemed like such an unnecessary addition to the band. The majority of GNR songs don't use keyboards. Most of the songs he does play on didn't need keyboards. His role was just too small to make me take notice. He is just an average talent which also isn't enough to make me notice the small part he played in the band.




An average talent?....I'd like to personally invite you to a Dizzy Reed show..to play piano...you're more than welcome to show your talent live..and in front of people!...

please say yes!!

This W 23 Axl is trying to get attention and posts by posting something stupid or made up about a Chinese Democracy commercial or I hate Dizzy post like he always does.  In W23's words, I named myself after Michael Jordan blah blah blah who the fuck cares man!?  I bet u can't even ball man, try playing ball for someone big and then talk about b-ball and the greatest ever Michael Jordan.

Okay now, how about we stop insulting each other and talk like mature people.
If you don't like dizzy, state why without calling him or other posters who like him names.
And If you do like dizzy, state why without calling other posters who dislike him names.

Is that clear enough for everyone?

What do my skills have to do with  Dizzy's skills? I'd happily take up your offer if that would make you somehow feel better.

You don't really think that do you? This is too wrong and misinformed to be serious??  :nervous:

What do my skills have to do with  Dizzy's skills? I'd happily take up your offer if that would make you somehow feel better


the dates are @ http://www.hookersnblowme.com

which show you gonna go to?  and yes..it would make me feel better

Philly's right in my back yard.? : ok: I have to ask again, what do my skills have to do with anything? Are you trying to imply someone has to be an expert before they can criticize a person's talent?

slash is not honest
i have proven that time and time again
slash is one of the biggest liars in rock music

and if im? not mistaken,? everyone but slash and duff have said how great axl is to work with and how friendly he is
so show me where someone other than the orginal gnr have said anything bad about axl

because josh freese left the band to go to APC and he had great things to say about Axl.
Brian May worked with Axl, same thing.

Out of the old band, Axl is the only person who story has remained pretty much the same.
slash and duffs have changed a lot of times.
And what slash and duff say contract what izzys says.


So i think you have things mixed up there bud.

WHAT ????
How the fuck have you proven that Slash is a big liar? He still have a soft spot for Axl, and he defends him all the time when reporters or the audience go at Axl to strong. Go listen to the interview with Slash on BBC that he did recently, and you will hear it for yourself. By the way, how long have you been a fan of GnR ? 2,3,4 years maybe? Because it dosen't look like you know about the band, and how they were to eachothers in the 85-96 period...

Well, I think that everybody is lying. However, it's funny that Slash has a soft spot for Axl, and he hates him at the same time.(BTM)
Back on topic, I think that Dizzy is great for the band, because he only plays on GNR or in his new band, and he doesn't say that he was very important in the old days. Unlike a certain drummer, that thinks is the best drummer in the world, and that he is a original member of GNR. I would bet that he would say: "Who's Steve?"  :smoking:

I have never counted Dizzy as one of the band, he is like Teddy ZigZag Andreadis an extra hand you don't mind and is useful to have around.  ;D

Oh so all the times i have shown slash contradict himself in every other interview and slashing saying he knows for a fact that only two songs on CD have vocals done is not proof enough?
Of coarse its not because people dont want to see slash for what he really is, and that is a bold face liar

If that is so, then no slash fan could ever been shown enough evidence that he is not truthful.
But the fact is, everyone knows slash is a liar, but slash fans just lie to themselves about it.

So tell me this,? what do you call a person that changes their story all the time depending on which day it is, a person who contradicts himself every time about things that happened in the past?

What the hell are u talkin' about, sunshine? Sure slash lies, but who in this business dosn't? I'm a slash fan but im not denying that slash lies. everybody does. slash defends axl, and his hate for axl has diminished over the years, but its still there. still, dont go around saying " o slash n duff are the biggest lairs on the plaent" and shit like that. your partilly right, but not fully.

You prefer Matt Sorum over Dizzy Reed!? Oh dear, and when you say you have no respect for him, think about this: Imagine yourself in his shoes, when you're the one who has to go up on stage and play for thousands of people, all the while knowing that there are people like you out there. Would you go out there? I don't think you would.
Anyway, anyone who's ever played in Guns N' Roses is a part of Guns N' Roses. Sure, they may not be THE most important part, but does that really matter? What matters is whether or not they can play their instruments!
And one more thing before I go: What gives you the right to say who isn't a part of Guns N' Roses? Are you in the band? Probably not. So keep yer yap shut, and show respect to ALL members of GnR. They all deserve it! EVEN Matt Sorum! Even though I think he's a prick, he's still a part of Guns! There is no denying it.

Here is something to ponder.
Dizzy has been in guns n roses longer than slash, duff, izzy and matt.

I'm not sure Slash or Axl deliberately lie; I think they just have their own versions of what they felt happened.  Maybe the new guys speak much better of Axl than Slash and Duff, but I think it's safe to say Axl has mellowed a bit since his UYI days.  He's not the biggest star on the planet anymore.  I know most of us love Axl, but it's hard to deny he could be very difficult to work with back in the day.  The Axl that Tommy and Robin work with sounds nothing like the one Slash, Duff and Izzy knew...

I think it's interesting that Slash almost treats Axl like a distant brother in interviews.  He can voice his frustration with Axl but if the media does, he seems to alwasy stand up for him.

Slash has definately got his stories mixed up on more than one occassion, there's no denying
it.  I attribute most of his misgivings to the sheer fact he's lost a ton of brain cells over the years and he probably doesn't remember what the hell he said in the first place.   My theory has no basis in fact whatsoever, just speculating.  His image within the rock community sure hasn't suffered from it, he's a respected guy within his peer group and his stature hasn't diminished in the least.

As for Dizzy, it's hard for me to take any keyboard player seriously, they're just so uncool...

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Proof there that Jarmo is a bias moderator and as long as you have the same point of view as him you can get away with whatever the fuck you want. Anyone else would have been banned for alot less than the nonsense Dave does around here. It's pretty pathetic Jarmo? ::) . But that's what this board is about.....

Anyway, I never liked Dizzy.? I was pretty indifferent to him during the Illusions albums at first .? Personally I thought he always came accross as a tool in interviews.? Never really thought there was a purpose for him except maybe for some use touring.? Now I can't stand him and find him pretty pathetic.? I really have no likes or dislikes about anyone in the new GnR except him. The rest of them are just there. Dizzy seems to try and take alot of credit for the Gn'R legacy and I just don't see it.

tomass
if anyone is pathetic in interviews its matt.
He is the biggest tool that was ever in gnr.

As for your comments about me, use PM's next time, thanks  ::)

Wake up, you are totally confused. It's not fucking marxism, quality is much more important than quantity. Paul Huge had been in GN'R for 8 years, Izzy for 6 years. GN'R hasn't released anything new material for 13 years. Thanks God, at least we have Dizzy, although it absolutely doesn't count, 'cause there is no new album. Nuff said.

It's really boring how much you hate Slash and you occasionally deny the value of his cotribution to GN'R. Everyone knows your opinion, but it's only an opinion, what you want to believe, and not a fact. Don't forget it. Maybe he lied when said that GN'R has only a couple of songs completed. Maybe he was misled and didn't check his info. Maybe he didn't lie, 'cause there is no proof that GN'R recorded at least one full song. You can think what you want, but reality can be different.  :yes:

Tomass74... Shut up. /J was on holiday and his no1 concern on a holiday really shouldn't be watching that kids here behave themselves. Dave was warned about it, and he stopped.

Whatever, people have been banned for the same crap that he is always pulling.

Thanks, next time I'm away from home for a few days I'll put the board in maintenance mode so I don't have to deal with certain people bitching about what I didn't do.  : ok:

You're the right person to talk, I even let you back after you were banned......



/jarmo

Ah so it doesnt matter that booker likes to bait people until they tell him off right?
Tomass look at it this way.
I get along with pretty much everyone on this board but booker.
Booker fights with a lot of people.
And I am the one that should be banned.? ::)

People like  you band booker hates any person that likes the new band over the old.

^^

Disagreeing is different from not getting along with.


And its not my place to say who the other people are. We all know who they are.
Anyways time to get back on topic.
Take this to PMs if u want to discuss this further.
Thx

booker unjustly called me a racist; I took immense offense to this and will not respond to his remarks ever again. That guy needs to be seriously talked to about some of his behavior.

Where's hnb? Is he embarrassed I called his bluff?  :hihi:

Here's something to ponder, where would Dizzy be without Axl??? No where..........Velvet Revolver would not want him. That's why he's "loyal". And as far as who's a liar.......Axl has never taken responsibility for his own actions. 2 years has passed and still no apology or no word about what happened in Philly. Everybody leaves his band then he makes some bitter statement about it like how he used Buckethead's departure as an excuse why he couldn't make it to Rock in Rio 4. So quick to apologize for that but still nothing about Philly or the rest of the U.S. tour. I have no respect for the useless keyboard player in Dizzy Reed.

I have said this once and Ill say it again.
Did you ever think that on one is allowed to talk about what happened in philly?
Dizzy and tommy have both said this (that they cant really talk about it) ,and they never comment on it cept tommy said axl had the flu but that was it.

Did you ever notice CC has not commented on this either? Why do think think that is?
ITs because CC and Gnr probally settled out out of court and both agreed to not mention what really happened.
As for Dizzy being loytal to axl.
Did you ever think they are good friends and that is why Dizzy said in the band?  HE is not a turncoast like duff and slash.

Some people on this board really need to wake up and look at the facts and not just from slash's point of view, because we all know slash cannot be trusted.

You are minority on that one bro.
 : ok:

 HE is not a turncoast like duff and slash.

Some people on this board really need to wake up and look at the facts and not just from slash's point of view, because we all know slash cannot be trusted.


On the topic, i never took Dizzy seriously when he was in the real GnR, he was outta place, but he may fit in nicely with this new thing Axl has going on, Axl can play acoustic guitar and Reed can play bongos.

Dave you really need to get a grip , you act like you know Slash , lighten up dude. :yes:

All I know about slash is what he has said in interviews and its always changing, that is all I need to know.

Look at it this way....

You may not be all hyped up to go see Dizzy doing the GNR stuff solo, but you have to admit the guy is talented, definitely an asset to GNR.

Imagine Slash and Axl becoming friends again, and after a while they agree to do something musically together.. What the hell are all you only-Axl fans going to do then? Because you base your opinion on what Axl does at any given time.. I'm pretty sure a lot of you would go like:" uuh, Slash is cool, yeah, I've always liked that guy, uuh, Buckethead sucks, uuhh, I'm totally with Axl on this matter..uuhh"  Come on !!! They were like brothers, they loved eachothers so much, and they went trough hell together.. If someone did anything bad to one of them, the other would step up to kick some ass !!  It's more possible that they become friends again than new GnR becoming even close to the succes that GnR once had..  I'm a great GnR fan, Axl fan, and Slash fan.. without one of them, GnR would have never been known to the masses..