Here Today... Gone To Hell!

There is a rumor floating around that the checkmate clip that came out a few months ago may in fact be a clip of prostitute and the name checkmate is not the title of the song but a metaphor  and a FU to managment because the leak is out there. Yes merck said that checkmate is not a gnr song, but im sure checkmate is not a title of a gnr song so in a way he is not lying.  Also even if it was you know merck would not tell us it was. 

I like that thought... you may be right, but we won't know until CD hits or we get a full leak.  I vaguely remember how it sounded in the leaked demo, but I don't recall being overly impressed or thinking that it had the new-gnr sound... but who knows.

 :peace:

I thought it was pretty bad-ass.

I really hope that leak wasn't "Prostitute" since its supposed to be the best of the bunch.

Just the thought of yet more power chords on a GN'R song  :crying:

i'm still not convinced that checkmate is even gnr :-\

it sounded just like axl

any one of us who has heard zillions of bootlegs from the new band over and over countless times, KNOWS that's axl singing there

it's definately axl

oh yeah how stupid of me ::) and that 16 seconds is the best that has ever been played by a band with the GnR moniker i forgot :P

not only the sound of the voice is axl, also the line that is sung must be written by him: so typical... wonder how that song continues (hope stronger than the 16 secs we have)... :smoking:

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I somewhat agree... Not about the power chords though... but I dont think the song is that good, and the vocals were weak....Axl 2002 weak

I'm sorry...I read stuff like this and I chuckle. ?Not at you, for thinking it...but at the history that surrounds comments of the same type.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying you're wrong. ?I agree, it does sound somewhat like Axl.

But then I harken back to the "My Favorite Pillow" incident and wonder if Coy Clarke (or someone like him) is still out there singing somewhere (though I know Ghost Town Road disbanded) and is once again fooling us all. ?And I chuckle.....

I gotta hunt that song down again. ?I know I have it somewhere....and I keep telling myself I'll go looking for it but never do make it around to it.

I knew that song was not axl from the first time I heard it. People can sound like axl but they dont have his accent.

So do some singers in tribute bands.

well i could swear the end of Gilby's cure me or kill me is axl screaming but apparently it's not...just cuz you think you know doesn't mean you do know...it could be anybody ..... and it's 16 seconds for fucksakes

"Checkmate" is clearly Axl....
I listen to GNR hours every single day, no exceptions... and that is DEFFINETLY Axl Rose.
Also, the leaker gave this clip to Razz and explained that the title isn't Checkmate but is just a shot at management, so you were right Dave.

Agreed sounds like AXL CITR voice. :yes:

I think is more easey to be ?''The General'' kick ass opened drum,Prostitute is ice and fire.

Live and in studio is different. Axl live doesnt sound like Axl studio. ?This is a studio track, if its not axl I would be very suprised.

Yes dave, we know. ?There were many doubters (me included). ?But being right then doesn't make you more likely to be right now, if you think checkmate is GnR. ?Everyone can be "fooled", intentionally or unintentionally. ?And that's my point...just that.

When people assert they're SURE it's axl, I remember all the well respected, experienced posters, who had heard GnR in all forms, who were sure MFP was Axl. ?And it makes me chuckle...not at them...but at what tends to happen to fans who are "sure" of something in relation to GnR.

For the people that dont think its gnr, then why did merck freak when this song was leaked online? If it was not gnr in this song those threads would have just been locked and not deleted completely. Also like I said its a rumor that its prostitute (or even another gnr song) but checkmate is not the title. And like I said, merck always chooses his words carefully. He said that checkmate is not a gnr song. That just means that there is not gnr song named checkmate. He NEVER said its not axl. And now that he caught the person who had the clip, its not going to leak untilhe gave it to someone else.

Which you heard from...who?

Razz?

Sorry, not to diss razz...but given his history and his penchant for....well, you know...and his relationship with management....I'd give him a D+ on the "source reliability" scale.  But that's just me.....I leave it to everyone else to make their own determination in that respect.

And, again....there were those in your shoes insisting MFP was Axl. 

I guess we will all find out Tuesday! Woot Woot  :hihi:

well you got a 50-50 chance of it being gnr or not :hihi: ?i mean "checkmate" may very well be gnr but i'm just skeptical :peace: as to it being prostitue or not...hell maybe since we have no idea what that song sounds like

I guess we'll just have to wait and see, eh?

And when did Merck freak? I missed that part (honestly, I did...I didn't follow the whole "checkmate" saga beyond the first day or two).

Right.

1) Explain the term fire and ice...you can't

2) How can you tell what it is from 16 seconds?

3) Please, everyone, stop saying "Thats not prostitute, prostitute is 'fire and ice'" - Define fire and ice for me then please

The same person that gave Razz checkmate, gave him the IRS and TWAT 1999 demo sessions.
So, with that said, and what Dave last posted, how could it not be GNR?

Right Razz is the one who leaked the IRS and TWAT 99s. That same person also gave him checkmate.

same here ?:-\ i'd like to read that

Fire and ice is easy to explain. It means the songs is slow and cold then fast and heavy.
And the main point is checkmate is not the title of the song that was leaked. It is gnr. The point is it might be prostitute. It could be another gnr song but the point is it is gnr

I don't know if these have been posted here, but I saw them on mygnr (from cd.com).  Even if these are fake, they are good, and i'm now fuckin' excited tohear this song!


Guitar Intro


all dozen slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had*
or it would take, away the light we given, once it is ours, were free from this land
dont ever expect me to turn up this late
mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

*interlude*

as i then ran, as fast as i could, memories both friends, escaped from my hand
ive got a gun, now the bloods on my hands, everything you see is here till the end
dont ever expect me to turn up this late
mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

*solo*


lies that ive told, lies that ive given
lies that ive sold, lies that have driven
me mad to the top of my own head
me mad to the top of my head
at night sugar, im sorry if i turn up late
well now honey, my turn, check mate

all dozens slayed, every chance, one given, dont ever spin ,just say what we had
or it would take, away the light we given, once it is ours, were free from this land
dont ever expect me to turn up this late
mother fucker' in this game, its checkmate

Outro + Solo



All Thoughts in lane (all thoughts in lane)
every chance we gave (ever chance we gave)
dont ever spare (dont ever spare)
im here till the end (checkmate)
im here till the end
im here till the end

You think THAT's good?!?!!
First of all, its obvious thats not the words to the first line.
Second, looks like a 9 year old wrote those lyrics. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Again, says Razz. ?Razz who only talked about "checkmate" after he felt he was screwed over by Merck. ?See what I'm saying?

And was Razz the "point of origin" (other than his source, that is) for the IRS and TWAT '99 demo sessions? ?I coulda sworn I heard them/had them, through someone else, prior to him playing them on air. ?Where's frozen inferno when you need him to corroborate or confirm!?!

I'll have to check my file dates over the weekend on those files.

Wrong!

All cautions made, every chance was given, no effort spared, to save...

Whether it is Prostitue or not, I can't subject myself to spoiling the surprise. ?We pretty much have heard a large portion of Chinese Democracy. ?I need to save some of the surprise!

And, as your siggie suggests....all prefaced or suffixed with "in your opinion".

Because, unless you have categoric, definitive proof (like word from the band, managment, or label) and/or a finished track you'd like to share with us for comparisons sake...that's all it really is. ?Your opinion.

I don't disagree with it...I, too, think it sounds like Axl. ?But "sounds like" and "is definitely" are different. ?I have enough doubt that I'd want more definitive proof before stating it categorically.

OK, well laugh all you want EFISH!!!!   but really, i don't know, i can read through and 'hear' the background music, and it sounds pretty good to me!  plus, you would think the same thing if you were to just go through and read interpretations of the lyrics to TWAT, CITR, IRS, Better, etc.  They might just look like a 9 year old wrote them becase they are incorrect (it's not always easy to understand what axl is singing).

I'm not saying they're correct, but they do make me excited to hear the whole song  : ok:

oh god more lyrics...and those have proved to be real so many times ::)

All cautions made, every chance was given, no effort spared, to save...

yea, that's what i always thought too.  but that doesn't invalidate those other lyrics (different people hear differnt lyrics to ANY song)

...what we had. All in good faith.....

That is because Razz was trying to get all of checkmate for us. Something some of you dont understand.
As for razz being the point of orgin. He was one of them because he gave them to me an hour before everyone had them.

It means the songs is slow and nice then fast and heavy,like the day and night.
From the ?16 seconds i heard i can tell you that is AXL on it.
The General has a kick ass open drums on it so i belive CheckMate is The General.
Belive on what you want.

SORRY, i'm a fucking idiot, i didn't know these had been posted before.  why do you guys have to jujmp all over me and  "::)"

I'm not doubting it. I think Axl is on it.

I meant, how can you say that this song is "Fire and Ice" from 16 seconds?

OK. It'll sound like this...

(http://cover6.cduniverse.com/msiart/large/0000013/0000013507.jpg)

 :confused:

Can we hear this clip or is it forbidden?

You cant, the point is the title of that leak is not checkmate. It might not even be prostitute but another title. I just heard that its prostitute.

i'm not jumping all over you or calling you an idiot and i dunno if they have been posted before or not but the other 30 lyrics that were posted for every other song were fake so what do you think the chances of this one being legit are? ...again could be but who the fuck knows...and how can you get excited over lyrics if you don't know what the music sounds like? anybody coulda typed those out there are people who write lyrics all the time

it's forbidden funkymonkey

Again, says Razz.  Are you noticing a common theme here?  There's no other corroborating source.

There's a couple people I need to touch base with on when the files hit them, exactly.  Can you PM me when Razz (date-ish and time-ish) got them to you?  I think a) I had them a day or so earlier and b) the hub had them earlier and c) someone on this forum, who shall remain nameless, was using them as trade bait to try to coax other leaks into the wild (and it wasn't Razz) even before that.  But I need to check on some of that information.

Can you explain to me how you know about "The General"?

I did not get the checkmate is prostute from Razz ?: ok:
But i am just passing this along, it was something I came across. Like I said its a RUMOR does not mean its true

well, we have a 16 second clip which is rumored to be from a whole song, so it is more likely to have lyrics that someone wrote down than some fake ass song like "cock a roach soup"

I am the Prostitute General!

Dude i think the song is not Prostitute, i think it is The General..i didn't said it was Fire and Ice eider,i only said Prostitute is Ice and Fire...i didn't said the Checkmate clip is Ice and Fire. where did you get that?! read again my post.

Ok then, how can you tell that the clip is not fire and ice?  :hihi:

It could be the general. But like I said checkmate isnot the title of the song.

true but who wrote out these lyrics? apparently only a very select few have a copy of prostitute and they are holding on to it real tight, all the other songs its taken a long time listening to the song and several posters to figure out what is actually sung...ask dave2k....he's one of the masters of deciphering lyrics :peace:

I have no idea who wrote them (they're apparently from cd.com but i never check that site), and i know it takes many people a long time to write them out (maybe that's why EFISH says they look like 9 year old kids shit)

How the hell r we suppose 2 know people!!

look axl said they have worked on like 70 songs!!

so it can be any fucker!!

 : ok:

How can you tell from 16 seconds?

Yea, and Sorry has this really cool guitar riff in the middle of the song...it's almost heavier than that part in Better.

I;ve been saying it's "Prostitute" since it came out. ?I really believe the title "Checkmate" was the middle finger to management. ?Remember, Prostitute was supposedly on the Trunk CD, and that's the tune management was rumored to be most concerend about.

Does anyone think like i do, if for whatever reason chinese democracy is not released this year and once again loks like its never going to come out, we will see more leaks????

Checkmate meaning, i have your songs, you best get releasing music or i can leak more?????

If checkmate is axl and gnr, which it seams it is, then someone has at least that song available to release as and when they want.

Crazy person.

Oh its coming!!!!

I just mean if for some weird reason it doesnt, which quite frankly no of us should rule out. This is guns n roses were talking about!

Wasn't Razz the one trying to pass of that that pathetic version of TWAT that sounded like he recorded it in his basement, insisting that it was official? I'd tend to disbelieve anything he's said if that's the case.

That clip was legit. ITs the one we all have now as the twat 99 version

 ???

Is anyone else bemused by this?

You say that as if you find it unusual that GnR would use power chords in song. Eh, most of Appetite For Destruction is just power chords. A lot of the Illusions too. There are power chords on 99% of all GnR songs ever written, except maybe the acoustic songs and My World.

And please tell me what is wrong with power chords? ??? They're like single notes except they sound more powerful. It's called the Hard Rock sound. I'd me more worried if GnR didn't play power chords to be honest.

If you don't like power chords, your looking forward to the wrong album. Trust me, you won't like it. May as well save you the time of waiting for it. Better go start listening to country music or something.

The guy isn't a GNR fan so doesn?t bother.

Source?

1) Razz did not try to get all of 'checkmate' , he knew the person that wanted to leak all those tracks wanted to hurt GNR camp so he contacted merck and snitched on the leaker. (maybe if the full song leaked we wouldnt get CD this year?)

2) i dont think checkmate is prostitute, could be any fucking song.

I still don't think Checkmate is legit.

Even if it is, GUESSING (cause thats all your doing) that it's Prostitute is pure speculation.

I hope its not cause the 16 seconds sound lame.

Im blindly guessing, but I think "Checkmate" is actually "The General."

I remember an interview with Brain from YEARS ago when he said The General was his favorite track because he really got to shine on it, or it may have been Dizzy who said The General was insane due to Brain's drumming on it.

The 16 second Checkmate clip has pretty diehard percussion, that's the only reason for this guess.

yea the drumming is definatly the coolest part of that song from the clip i heared i hope the rest of it kicks ass

It honestly reminds me of Locomotive, to be honest.

yea and locomotive is one of my favorite gnr tracks so thats cool

Agreed, I thought the clip sounded like a bad Velvet Revolver song. Completely generic and bland.

Because he wouldn't want a cheesy song like that to be mistaken for a new GnR song.
To me, that song sounded totally corny, unoriginal and extremely dated. I hope to god it's not GnR.

Bad VR song! Thats the perfect description!

Maybe it's 'Sorry'

Bach said Axl sounds real clear (which he does) over dungeon metal...

Really really does not sound like metal.. or even close to Doom metal. Doom metal has a slow grinding beat.. nothing like that in this clip.

Unless theres some huge change up.

so noone has answered how they know about the general yet

They don't.

Brian or Dizzy said something about it's drums a long time ago. Thats all we know.

And that it was worked on by Marco Beltrami.

Leave Me Alone', 'Seven', and 'The General' could also feature on the new album. These three A listed songs were worked on by Marco Beltrami, especially 'Seven', which Marco deems as the best of the three songs.

ahh alright

I'm going to say very little about this, and if people don't want to believe me they don't want to, but here's a basic outline - without giving names of people involved - regarding the leaks. I know who leaked IRS - someone involved with the band itself told me how it all happened - and I also know that we would have had a full quality version in 2005 (when the first low-qual demo was put online as a rip from Trunk's show), but someone made a boo-boo and rushed ahead and did something he wasn't supposed to and that's why we were stuck with the shitty version for a year. I don't know exactly who released the 2006 demos but I do know at least three different people had IRS a full year earlier.

After the first three leaked online in 2006 (IRS, Better, TWAT) people began expecting new leaks. Management asked us not to spread them but oddly enough they didn't take much initiative apart from this if you'd noticed. Anyway, I don't know this for certain, but apparently someone who had access to more songs thought this was a safe time to leak tracks - since three others had been leaked without anyone getting "caught." So this guy began sending clips of CITR. This guy was NOT the same person who leaked the first three clips (I still think they were leaked by management as promotion.) Apparently management realized more unplanned leaks were going to happen so they began sending out people to the forums to find out who was leaking the song(s).

I was one of the first people to get CITR. I was asked to post it on MyGNRForum and I didn't because I would have gotten banned. But I got it from someone who was in the middle of trading for Prostitute. So I knew then that the clip was out there, because the guy who was trading was the one who had given me CITR so I knew he wasn't lying.

CITR was initially posted as a 20-second preview or something and if you notice the Checkmate clip was about the same length. Furthermore they're of the same quality.

In my opinion Checkmate is definitely Prostitute and was leaked from the same guy who first leaked CITR. In my opinion, he was discovered by management before he could leak the whole song. Or he got scared and stopped. Maybe they threatened him. Management began sending people to the forums AND monitoring private messages after CITR's preview was first posted. When I told some people that I knew who had CITR I got a flurry of random messages on HTGTH and MyGNR asking me if I knew the name of the guy and asking me for more info on the whole thing - personal details. They weren't interested in getting the song, they just wanted to know who had it. It freaked me out and I ignored them all, but it was pretty obvious something was going on. A few days later everything died down and no more leaks happened. But I believe Checkmate is Prostitute.

Checkmate was a reference to the game of chess. Whoever leaked the clip was calling management's bluff. They probably threatened him and he posted that afterwards as a way of giving them the middle finger. But maybe they weren't bluffing after all.

Cool :smoking:

Nice story

So who were the first people to get their hot little hands on these demos around here?  Who had contact with "AGENT X" or whatever?

I'm buggin about how these things got out there.

citr was emailed to ppl on the forums.

Certain people had it days before that...

They all did. Most of them didnt know  they had it in their email.

I'm more interested in knowing who this Agent X is. CITR and Prostitute must have come from somewhere. Perhaps we can expect a couple of more leaks if CD 2006 fails to happen.

I didn't find out till two days after the leak  :-\

I wanted to be the leaker! Haha.

i didnt know till a few months, felt bad.

hmm, I seemed to have missed the Checkmate clip you all speak of....this is reletively new right?

Not really... it came out over the summer.

oh right i wasnt online a lot then. that explains it. Good ost RR by the way. very interesting stuff. I love the idea of management sending out folk to m onitor these message boards, classic Orwell!

What do you mean, 16 seconds is plenty of time to decide if something sounds badass. Listen to 16 seconds of welcome to the jungle's intro.

Well if you had only heard the first 16 seconds of Better, I would bet you would've said it was crap.

Dizzy said in an interview that "the general" is his favorite track... it's rumoured to be based on a creative output by BRAIN...

Ok listen to 4:20-4:36 of COMA and tell me if it sounds kick ass

You liar  :hihi:

Seriously though, why Prostitute? If the leaker of CITR had access to loads of songs 'checkmate' could be anything, why are people assuming it's Prostitute? Where did the rumour it is Prostitute start?

haha lol, those 16 seconds isn't very bad-ass no, but IMO i also think the first 16 seconds of "checkmate" is bad ass :P

What about SCOM.

If you're serious you're an idiot.

is it cool beeing a tuff guy on the internet behind your computer?

I see your a kid.  If you have an opinion..voice it.  We are above sticks and stones etc. here.

No, we're not :hihi:

What do you mean?

In was in regards to "how can you know if you like a song in the first 16 seconds".

I was wondering he meant. As for the tuff guy bit, I wasn't threating to beat he/she up was I?


I thought that you?where trying to say that "SCOM" was "Checkmate", and I'm probably older than you anyway.

Gotcha  : ok:

We dont even know if the checkmate clip is the first 16 secs/ Every leak we got, was always near the middle or after the first verse.

did i say that you threatened anyone? no, you were just a cocky mofo behind your computer and i wondered if you thought that was cool.. but if really you wondered what he/she meant, why didn't you just ask? instead of calling this person an idiot

Sorry to anyone who was offended by my posts.

What does "like fire and ice" mean? what sort of music would it be?

it may be like, night and day, warmth and cold, black and white.........

It's extremely hard to explain "fire and ice" in relation to a GN'R song...it could really be anything.

some news about this song ? i'm still curious.

i really love these 16 seconds, love Axl's voice on it and the drums & riffs, damn, what a cool new band we have.

I think this might be "No Love Remains", because lyrically the title would make sense and you could also drop the words "no love remains" into the verse we have and it would fit the rhythm.

I think you're right. It's hard to understand, but i believe the lyrics for part of that 16 seconds are "...every chance was given.. no effort spared to save what we had...".  If I'm right about this part, there is really much sense between the leak and the title "No Love Remains".  That's my opinion.  :)

Sounds like Axl to me, though I have no idea what song it could possibly be.

yeah people on youtube really think its No Love Remains

It's certainly Axl Rose. What song we don't know...

It's not Axl and it's not Prostitute.

i wouldn't know what the song was called any way if it didn't say Checkmate on the top of it. There are two versions of it that i know of on youtube one is 15 seconds long (that one is no longer there, don't know why) the other is 16. go there and try to see if you can tell what he's saying maybe that will help determine what the song is. :)
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its a bitch tryin' to understand him but it sounds so cool : ok:

all cautions made, every chance was given,
no effort spared to save what we had

all in good

are you deaf?

It doesn't sound high pitched enough to be Axl.

actually now that i think about it i think its Prostitute because at the end of the video it has a picture of Clinton looking like hes saying " i'd hit it" meaning he'd have sex with the chick he was looking at (duh). and we all know that the "prostitute" he fucked while still in office was Monica Lewinski. I rest my case :smoking:

what do you guys think? ???

well its only 16 seconds there are alot of songs that start off a little deeper than what Axl usually dose. "its so easy" is one of them.

Well, it was a fan who made the video right? So, how does that prove anything?

Don't think it's Axl either

It is Axl and it is "no love remains"

Just my guess ?::)

Can't wait for March 07 :beer:

it sounds like he's saying more than that though



if its not G'n'R or Axl for that matter what or who the hell else could it be? idk its just my guess just trying to solve a mystery :)

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just figured it was a fan with the leak who put some pictures up along with it so he could put it on YouTube. You know, a fan made video like people do for Better, or TWAT, or whatever.

the song is definitely GNR... the vocals, guitar tone, drums everything is very similar to what is on the other leaks..

I think it sounds great too!  :beer:

yeah i know what you mean like that one clip of "Better" with that chick with the real nice ass :hihi: yeah thats my favorite video on youtube at the moment :yes:

The lyrics "No love remains" would fit right in with what is being sung... and No Love Remains was a rumored song title.

I hadn't listened to this clip in months then just really noticed it now. Hope to see this one on the album If it is GNR. It sure sounds like it...

in that clip i think Axl is saying :
" all cautions made
every chance we're(was) givin'
no effort spared
to save what we've had"- then it quits there.

i think i'm gonna go with No love remains or Prostitute. Checkmate is out unless some one can prove me wrong?

Checkmate was only a way for the leaker to say 'Fuck you' to management after they had threatened him with something. I guess they came through since we never heard the rest of the song.

He leaked it to RazZ and then Razz turned him in to management because he saw that the guy was only trying to leak it to hurt GN'R. As much as people may consider Razz an asshole, which he himself admits he is, that was a noble move on his part.

So we have one person who's heared it? What did he say?

razz didn't get the whole song either. and he turned him in to management to get some backstage pass at a show or something.

The clip sounds awesome, I love the crunchy guitar rhythm. And it definately sounds like Axl.  :drool:

sometimes i'm just amazed some "fans" can't even recognize Axl's voice.

i even remember on a french board someone who said (talking about one leak,
can't remember which one) it was a woman who sang.

you're too funny.  :hihi:

I don't understand why people say the lyrics suggest no love remains. Where is the connection. There's nothing that rhymes with No Love Remains on there is there?

just kinda sing "no love remains" and you'll see how it would very easily fit in. Pure speculation but it would work.

bring back the chinese democracy rumour thread and move this to dead horse : ok:

this is the most unbased speculation i`ve ever read on a guns n`roses forum....

on what ?  :hihi:

I've already posted it here, but I'll explain it again.
Pick those verses:
All cautions made
Every chance was given
No effort spared
To save what we had

They kinda resemble to those of most romantic songs, don't they? They seem to be part of a song that talks about a love that didn't last or didn't work... AKA No Love Remains? ;D

I'll buy that :beer:

Yeah I know he didnt. I dont know exactally what happened but I know that apparently Merck screwed him over.

it could be "Prostitute" but then again it could just be some fake leak?

who knows..

people on other boards has posted all lyrics (prolly BS) but noone has confirmed that they are the real thing or BS

don't think that anyone who's a member on these gn'r boards has heard the full song more then in that case that it's real beta and maybe mysteron although as i said it may not even be gn'r but it would be a cool song on CD

whatever that clip is i hope it isnt axl n co, it sounds like the 02 axl on that track and it sounds like shit,... givesme less hope about C.D being the "epic" album everyone thought it was gonna be....

I dunno...could be prostitute...my comment in parentheses:

All cautions made (gotta wear a rubber!)
Every chance was given (he's earning some frequent layer miles)
No effort spared (she works HARD for the money!)
To save what we had (a meaningless sexual relationship, which was a source of income for said prostitute)

How's that for meaningless speculation?  :hihi:

what we need to do is distort the fuck out of it and then play through a cellphone so you can't make out anything. And then half of this board will swear up and down that it's definitely 100% studio quality GnR.

woah that was an important post that totally had something to do with this thread ::)

I think he was makin' fun of the dude who said he heard new GNR being played outside an office of a record company. He taped it on his cell phone for proof. Didn't sound great, let's put it that way.

A lot of the songs we've heard so far are about a love that didn't last or didn't work, and I would expect a lot we haven't heard including Prostitute. It's not enough evidence, just because it has love in the title doesn't mean its the only song about love or love lost, which we know it isn't

yeah i know he meant that, that clip was the blues and that's why it had like nothing to do with this thread about maybe checkmate and prostitute

lol i like your resoning as to why it could be Prostitute. i dont know what to think any more it really could be anything.  :)

holy shit... i must have been asleep when this leak came out.... i had never heard this until today gotta love u tube. I remember I downloaded something named checkmate but it was clearly a fraud.

Its sounds cool... albeit a tad dated.

I hope there is no correlation between the two tracks, therefore keeping the suspense of "Prostitute" intact : ok:

because if people can swear up and down that a completely unlistenable song that may or may not be the blues from the studio is 100% the real deal then surely they can tell that it's Axl singing on that track.

also it was a joke...get a sense of humor people you are way to serious about your GnR.

Checkmate sure the hell sounds like Axl.  If it's not Axl, it's the best fake I've ever heard.

This is not Prostitute.

I imagine Prostitute being about a girl that he had a relationship with that basically liked the material things that came along with it.

Certainly not about a real street prositute.

Perhaps it'll have a similar groove to My Michelle..?

"Now your clean and so discrete!! I wont say a word!!!!!" :hihi:

As far as we know, it's a song about selling out that Duff didn't want to play.


/lastroots

who's this guy, look at his 2 posts, appearantly his opinion stated as absolute facts, check he's IP so he's not just a pissed of former member who wanna fuck around lol

I think he's just a guy trying to be the next insider. Seems fake. He's online now, maye he can tell us something.  :peace: