Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Good BUY, Guv?

saw the website of the Emperors Club.  I don't blame Spitz... the girls with lots of diamonds are HOT!  :beer:

Who cares, it's his personal life...he shouldn't have to resign because of it....hes got the cash, so why not have some fun?

5k for a chick ... Meh, I can get one for 1/5 that price.

not looking good for spitzer.

i think much like the craig situation, people cannot stand the hypocricy. 

Yeah, as far as I can tell here in NYC, the focus is much more on his anti-corruption career and in particular that he busted similar prostitution rings, than what he actually did with/to her. I guess republicans don't hate the NY Times so much, at least for today :)

Craig survived it. Granted, I don't think they've had an election since then so he's probably a lame duck. Spitzer is definitely a lame duck in his state now. His approval rating was 33% in November even before this scandal. He might not even make it to campaign for re-election.

The lieutenant governor, David Paterson, is very well-respected among leaders of both parties in the state and would be the state's first black governor (and first legally blind one).  He has the potential to be an excellent governor, so who knows, maybe this will all end well for New York.

Here's his mini-bio...

http://www.ny.gov/governor/ltgov/bio/index.html

Talk about a unique guy! First black governor of New York and first blind governor in the entire nation's history. That would be a big deal! That'd be awesome if he has a successful governorship. And it looks like Spitzer WILL be resigning according to the NY Times and WS Journal, so congrats to Mr. Paterson and good luck to him.  :beer:

that's true, but Craig's situation was different so it's not an apples to apples comparison.

i for one don't have an issue with the hypocricy of these situations. the fact that he brought down prostitution rings as governor should be a positive thing for him, not thrown back in his face. 

He broke the law, and potentially is guilty of a federal offense by paying to have the prostitute go from one state to another. That holds a prison sentence of 20 years. So it's not necessarily the hypocrisy that's the problem, it's that he broke the law.

The Dems and their girls.

The Republicans and their boys.

 :hihi:

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i agree with you, and that is what the issue should be.

but i've been listening to NY radio all day and that's not what's important to most people. the hypocrisy of his actions. it's the fact that he's been this "holier than thou" figure that has ruled with an iron fist and come down hard on various groups, including prostitution rings. all while he may have been shopping for new prospects.

breaking the law is a big issue, but Americans are very forgiving. just ask Bill Clinton.

but you're probably right. although paying for a high end hooker is not a huge deal to alot of people, it is still a crime with potentially serious consequences.

It sounds like the whole transportation thing is going to be a bigger deal than just paying for sex. He's facing 20 years mainly because of aiding her transportation, whereas it would be a much smaller deal legally if he had done this in New York. It's not surprising that the radio people are up in arms over his hypocrisy. I was just listening to one radio personality that was pissed that the governor can pay $4000 for an hour of sex but the state has a $4 billion deficit.

why are people making such a big deal out of this?  its nobody's business if the guy wants to get a hooker, aside from his and his wife's.   if he resigns that would be a very sad thing for this country.

No it wouldn't. It sounds like his replacement offers better governing skills to begin with. Spitzer had a 33% approval rating in November. It's not like this douche bag was doing a great job before this.

the Lt governor was not voted to be governor.   Spitzer was, it is his job and his responsibility.   Hookers has nothing to do with his governing skills.    Its no one's fucking business.

The fact he used tax payers money to transport the hookers??

It's no one's business that he's paying for illegal things with his salary, which is paid for by TAXPAYERS? Alrighty then.  :hihi:

^ From what I heard he used government vehicles... Not paid for by him  : ok:

I think the most amazing part of all this is that the Dow Jones had its biggest one day gain in 6 years the day after it comes out that the guy who, as NY Attorney General doled out the stiffest ever monetary sanctions to Wall Street financial institutions, was fucking hookers.

This guy was truly hated by the financial industry.  Here's a quote by a former board member of the New York Stock Exchange (and former target of Spitzer):  ""We all have our own private hells.  I hope his private hell is hotter than everyone else's."

^ Ya know, I never thought of it that way... Very good point

This is more related to the FED's intervention in the market than the Spitzer news. FED is lending $200 billion to banks.

Why are so many politicians scum bags?  I mean really!!  Every year we hear about 2 or 3 cases where our politicians are being sexual deviants.  Yes, cheating on your wife counts in that category.  Can anyone answer how so many scumbags end up in politics?  How do they get that far? 

They get that far because they get money from prostitution. lmao. Just kidding.

Honestly, I really don't know. Some of my left-wing extremist friends think the whole political system is corrupt and I tend to agree with them now. I'm so aganist the political system that I refuse to vote.

Probably somewhere around 99%


Maybe, lying, cheating, manipulation, duplicity, ... ad infinitum.

I'd like to know if he got the 7 diamond rated girl.  she looks pretty hot from what you can see.

ROFL! This whole thing is just hilarious. I was listening to the radio today and they were making fun of Alan Dershowitz because he went on TV last night and said that the issue was being "blown out of proportion." The radio host, Randi Rhodes, emphasized the word "blown." Had me crackin' up. She said that any words used to describe this story will be turned into double entendres because it's just too easy.  :hihi:

i really feel bad for his wife. she looks like a total class act. and politics 101 demands she appear at his side during the press conference.

and his kids...this must be rough for them.

what a scumbag he is. 100% low-life piece of shit.

I saw an article where the writer said that they wish just ONCE a wife would walk out on stage with the cheating husband and just keep on walking, exit stage right. That would send a hell of a message! I also agree with you about Spitzer's wife. I feel really bad for her.

He broke the law.

Looks like the liberal media is totally ignoring this story.



He might as well have made it worth it.


Yea, that should prop up Wall Street another two days.

bwhahahahahahaha!

There was something funky going on with one of the bank accounts he had access to, hence why all this transpired.  Someone noticed and reported the suspicious activity which lead to this whole investigation.

Now, I am not sure if he used govt vehicles but what he DID do was pay to transport a prostitute over state lines from NY to DC which now made it a federal crime.  He will probably be indicted for this soon.

They are practically rioting up in Albany, he will most likely be forced to resign. 

I am sort of on the fence about this.  If he used state funds then obviously he should resign.  If he hadn't, I am not sure I would really care if he had a penchant for hookers. 

Some time ago they forced the state comptroller to resign because he was using a state vehicle to transport his wife to the doctor as she was gravely ill.  Nothing as bad as this but they forced him out so I am assuming Spitzer will be gone soon too.

nobody is perfect.  We all fuck up.  We all do stupid shit.   You can't expect even the Governor of New York to never make a mistake.

i'm personally of the belief that prostitution should be legal, so I'm not bothered by him breaking this law.

It's not even the prostitution that got him busted, that was just the icing on the cake.  They thought he was involved in a bribery scandal by the missing monies. 

I'm beginning to think it was a political hit job. I want to know who, at the bank, or the where ever, initiated the investigation.


The part of the law to which you refer(can't recall the name), was written to provide a tool for prosecutors to go after pimps, not johns.

If there was a felony violation, it is was because he attempted to hide the financial transactions to pay for the prostitute by breaking it up into amounts less 10k, ie. multiple withdraws <10k in one transaction in an effort keep the bank from reporting it to the Feds

How can it be a political hit job when the guy has admitted he fucked up? LOL. This isn't John McCain outright denying the allegations where the allegations WERE a political hit job. Spitzer apologized to his family and the public, which means he admitted his guilt.

Well lets just fess up and admit it. The Democrats have proven once again to be fiscally irresponsible here. Think about it...how much did the Republicans spend to suck cock in the mens room? Think it was 5500 a pop? I don't think so!

They should really take advantage of this, highlighting their cost cutting measures at interstate restrooms across America.

Usually, when investigations of this sort are done, it is the enterprise that leads to the johns; not the other way around ... they go after the small fish to get the big fish.

Prosecutors don't use a whore house to bust a john. That would be ridiculous, but that is what they did.

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yes but its about the prostitution.  thats why they are calling him to resign.   if he used his own money on it, I see no real issue.  If he was using govt funds, his office should be audited and he should be fined accordingly.

Well prostitution is still illegal in NYC is it not?

you're right, it is.   I still don't think its reason to resign, but like I said, I believe it should be legal.   If two consenting adults want to exchange money for sexual favors, I hardly see who it is hurting.    Here in Nevada, it is legal outside of Clark County.   

I am pretty sure that in all 50 states solicitation is a misdemeanor, and misdemeanors do not disqualify one from holding public office in any state.

What allegations?  They didnt allege McCains had an affair, they revealed the impressions his aides had of his relationship with a lobbyist.  They also did a fine job reporting other ethically questionable lobbyist dealings.


Spitzer postured as a paragon of ethics.  He broke up prostitution rings himself.  Its a stunning demonstration of poor judgment, and his credibility is rightfully destroyed.  However, Im ambivalent as to whether he decides to resign or not.  He should, because he has no credibility and will likely hurt the party, but itd be interesting to see what would happen if he didnt.

NEWS ALERT
from The Wall Street Journal

March 12, 2008

Eliot Spitzer is expected to announce today that he is resigning as governor of New York, effective Monday, following revelations about his involvement in a high-end prostitution ring. The Associated Press, citing a Spitzer aide, reported that the announcement will come at around 11:30 a.m. Eastern Time. Earlier in the week, Spitzer had apologized for his behavior but had kept silent about his intentions to remain in office despite increasing calls for his resignation.

As lieutenant governor, David Paterson is in line to assume the governorship. The Harlem Democrat would be the first African-American to serve as New York governor.

I think there's been disproportional outrage about this, but given who we're dealing with it's somewhat understandable.  When Spitzer was going after Wall Street for defrauding investors, there were a lot of complaints that he was violating the constitutional due process rights of his targets.  This is a guy who once said to one of his political rivals - "I'm a motherfucking steamroller and I'll roll over you just like anyone else."  

A lot of people (I admit, including me) didn't pay much attention to those complaints about him because we believed he was fighting the good fight - protecting the average citizen from these mega financial institutions.  He was voted in as governor with the biggest 1st term election landslide in history.  In essence, we believed he was a good person.  So we trusted him with that power - that he may or may not have been abusing when going after the "bad guys".  Now we hear he's spending close to six figures on call girls.  So there's a lot of disillusionment going on... which leads to anger.

Also, I don't agree that prostitution is a victimless crime.  Tell that to his wife who just found out that her husband has been fucking hookers and has preferred to do so without condoms.  Tell that to his daughters who just found out that the father they've always looked up to is more attracted to hookers than the mother who's been a role model for them.

 

Is adultery a crime then?

I would have to say technically adultery is a crime...anything that can cost you your house and all your money in a divorce settlement is criminal to me.. :hihi:

Is an affair with one other woman that same as paying to have sex with women that have sex with hundreds of other men for a living?  The same as patronizing a "profession" that isn't exactly a model we want for our younger generation of women?

Edit:  By the way, it is in fact a crime in NY:

Section 255.17 Adultery

 A person is guilty of adultery when he engages in sexual intercourse with another person at a time when he has a living spouse, or the other person has a living spouse.

the new guv is blind, so at least he won't have to spend as much as spitzer on whores.

yes his wife and children are the ONLY victims in this, and that should have nothing to do with the law.   its not the governments job to keep guys from sleeping with other women or prostitutes.    He fucked up, but it should concern his family more than it does anyone else.

I'm sorry but....


no pussy on the planet is worth 5k per hour.

If he was stupid enough to pay that, he's too stupid to be the gov.

 ;D

his piss poor judgement and  lack of intelligence concerns me as a tax paying citizen...This scumbag is a moron who got to where he is in life because of daddy's money...The fact that he wired money to pay for a prostitute shows what an idiot he is, therefore how could we actually trust him with anything important??

I don't think they're the only victims, but even if they were, what does that prove?  If he beats his wife, she's the only victim; therefore, it shouldn't be a crime?

I have to agree with Jim Bob. Hosing hookers shouldn't be a crime.

you can't compare this to domestic violence.   assulting someone should of course be a crime.     he hurt his wife and his family because of it, but in my opinion, the action should be taken by his wife (i.e. divorce), not the criminal system.

his family are victims of his actions, but he didn't physically assult them or cause injury.  he just fucked up and was unfaithful.   how can you even compare the two?    if you don't see the difference, I dont know what else to tell you.

Client No. 8: The Unluckiest SOB on the Planet!
by Melody Townsel
Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 04:52:36 PM PDT

We've all had days when luck seems to leave us. When nothing turns out right. When everything we touch falls apart.

Days like the day Elliott Spitzer -- a.ka. Client No. 9 -- had yesterday. And days like the anonymous Client No. 8 is having today.

Yesterday morning, Client No. 8 was a man in charge of his privileged world. Fat bank account. (Well, fat enough to bankroll an evening with a $5,550/night hooker.) In all likelihood, a man of some power. (Well, powerful enough to get himself a membership in the Emperor's Club.) A man some may have looked up to. (Well, assuming none of his friends or colleagues knew he had to pay for sex.)

Today, Client No. 8's world fell apart. More below:

Today, Client No. 8 probably knows the gig is up. Thanks to fellow Emperor's Club frequent flyer Elliott "Client No. 9" Spitzer, Client No. 8 may well be facing federal prosecution.

He's just a guy. Granted, a really rich guy. A guy lookin' for love. And he's not greedy. He just wants that luvin' for one lousy night at a time. A guy who's just too damned busy to meet members of the opposite sex the way the rest of us do it, sitting in a crowded meet market or trollin' the supermarket aisles.

Yesterday, he put on his Armani suit and headed to work. Today, he put on another Armani and headed to his attorney.

Yeterday, "johns" in sex stings -- even federal sex stings -- rarely were prosecuted. Today, thanks to Client No. 9, all the other clients -- 1-8, 11 and up -- are surely bound for prosecution, unless Spitzer figures out a way to avoid indictment. And the odds of that are less than the odds of George Bush ever stringing together five complete sentences that aren't scripted for him.

Yesterday, that $5,500/night call girl probably felt like a god-given right. Client 8 had earned it. He had the scratch on-hand. He knew where to go to get what he wanted.

Today, thanks to sharing the same taste in women-for-hire with Spitzer, Client No. 8 is fucked.

Now that, my friends, is a bad day.

Client No. 8? The unluckiest bastard on the planet today.

OK, so now you concede that something can be a crime even if "only" wives and children would be the victims.  And, by the way, if a john transmits an STD to his wife, that might be worse than a black eye, no?

It's all fun n games until it burns when you pee.

transmitting STDs is an entirely different scenario, and I think that should be a criminal offense.   Cheating on your wife shouldn't be, it should be grounds for divorce.   

who is the "victim" if the john is a lonely single guy in need of some pussy and the woman is a mentally competent consenting adult?

But if someone is engaging in behavior that exponentially increases the risk of transmitting an STD, shouldn't that behavior be criminal? 


Even assuming there would be no victims in that case, how do you ensure that only single guys are customers?

If you're talking street prostitution, the victim would be the members of the community that don't enjoy walking by a car and seeing a guy getting a blow job (and don't want their kids witnessing that).  They probably would be too happy about their property values taking a dive because the corner of their block is the neigborhood pimp's headquarters.

As far as prostitution in general, it's exploitative of underprivileged women.  Any given prostitute might be "mentally competent", but a woman who is solicited into an occupation where the threat of rape, disease and even murder is somewhat on the high side, is not a woman with a lot of choices in life.

No, not at all.   If you choose to have engage in sexual relations, that is a risk you take.    It takes two.   Single people who sleep around should be criminally prosecuted?   what about couples who swing?


you can't.   what about guys who are in a committed relationship that aren't married?  what about guys that simply cheat on their spouses but not with hookers?  this should be criminal? 

morally wrong?  yes.  criminal?  no, not at all.

thats called indecent exposure.   i could do that with my girlfriend and it'd also be illegal.   i'm talking about 2 consenting adults behind closed doors.


how is this criminal?   lots of things can lower property value, thats the risk you take when you buy and own property.  they are building a casino around the corner from my condo and the property value is going up.


not all of them are underprivledged.    some of them are.   some do it because the money is really good.   i know plenty of escorts and women who work in the adult business.    They are the ones making this choice and they should have the right to offer sexual services for money.

how about the kids that have to grow up in neighborhoods where hookers roam the streets and do drugs all hours of the day. where pimps show up with guns and beat women down in the middle of the street. and homeowners that have to put signs in front of their house that say "Stay off my property, hookers" cause whores give BJs on people's front porches.

i consider those people "victims."

here in Nevada, its all regulated in brothels.    of course there needs to be regulations and rules. 

The things you speak of are drug use, assult and battery, and indecent exposure.    you can have legalized prostitution and all that other stuff would still be illegal.

"regulations and rules???????????????"  But doesn't that bring the government into the equation?  I thought we were taught the federal government can't do anything efficiently?  Now you want to increase the size of government?  Didn't the wise prophet Ronnie Reagan believe in de-regulation and a hands-off policy when it came to governmental interference??
I kid.
Seriously, I tend to side a little more with Jim Bob on this one.  Personally, I find the concept of prostitution skeevy beyond belief.  It just grosses me out big time.  It's not a huge issue with me personally.  Ideally, if we were able to regulate the business and keep it safe, I'd probably say that's the best scenario...but for now, since it's nowhere near close to "regulatable," as Sandman has clearly illustrated, we're probably best off just enforcing the damn law.  Again, a lot of this crap comes down to piss-poor enforcement...and before that, piss-poor family structure which breeds the problems.

Hookers suck.  Hell, I consider a lot of women who have never walked a street or worked in a brothel "prostitutes."  A lot of chicks out there will marry men because they have a ton of money.   :(

Hil-dawg owes me another hot dog!!!!!!!!!!   :beer:   

 

using GeorgeSteele's logic, drinking alcohol should also be illegal beause someone might drink and drive.   

just like alcohol, prostitution could be regulated like having zoning regulations, and even taxation.   Alcohol is legal but not for anyone under the age of 21 and driving under the influence is illegal.   Prostitution could be legal, but getting a bj in a public area would be indecent exposure.

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"Kristen" revealed

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23600504/

Her song...

http://amiestreet.com/artist/13321/info

^I made it through about 5 sec. She'll probably get signed over this. Record execs love shit music these days.

http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta

and we can have peace in the world too.

we're talking reality here. it's illegal. and there are many victims involved, as i highlighted. whether is SHOULD be legal or not isn't relevant to the points that were made about victims. that's a hypothetical.

That'll cost you about $20  :hihi:

Man, you're intense.  Actually, using my logic, drinking and driving would be illegal because it's high risk behavior and might lead to accidents, injury, death, etc.  Wait, it is illegal...

Sorry, I just don't see that being worth thousands of bucks.   :no:

the music...I've heard worse.  I really think it sounded pretty good for what it is...

Now, she just needs a name for her band...my idea? 

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I can get 15 min for that down on 3rd and Chestnut. ;D

it is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be, thats not what i'm saying..    by your logic with prostitution, it should be illegal to even have a drink in the privacy of your own house. 

by my logic, you can hire a prostitute and take her behind closed doors and not hurt a damn thing.     if you have her blow you in the car in a public place, that should be against the law.

and props to the girl, selling that pussy for a few K an hour, she has my respect.

do you think it's worth $2? cause when you compare the amount of money George Fox has to the typical middle class citizen, it's the equivalent of about $2.

That jail house tat on her right hand makes her look like a crack whore.

Alright, Socrates, follow me here:  Whether it's in a car or behind closed doors, once a married man has sex with a prostitute, his wife's risk of contracting an STD just went up big time.  She immediately becomes exposed to the urethra-burning baggage of half the johns in the state.  

What you want to criminalize is only if the reckless behavior (whore fucking / drinking and driving) in fact leads to an injury (wife getting STD infection / serious car accident and injury).  I'm saying you punish the whore-fucking as reckless behavior just as you would drunk driving.  Drinking in and of itself is not reckless.  Fucking a hooker is.


I'll tell you what.  Run your arguments by her parents, see if you can convince them.  If they agree with you, then I will too.

Man, good point.  I guess if I had to put it into "normalized" dollars and cents, yeah, 2 bucks is nothing.  I still find the notion of paying for intimacy revolting.  I feel so sorry for this guy's family.   :(

Oops, I should have changed that new band's name...  a ... would make it more appropriate.

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Do you think she Spitz or swallows?

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If you're in that line of work, damn, you'd think it would have to be the latter?  Like I said, she just doesn't do anything for me.  :no:

here in Nevada, the girls at the brothels are tested weekly, so in that case its probably a little safer than meeting some slut in a bar and banging her.    The risk is no more with a prostitute than it would be in a situation where you are cheating on your spouse with someone you aren't paying.

her parents are going to be partial, 99.5% of people don't want their child to become a hooker.   

there is a difference is what should be against the law and what is "morally" wrong.   drinking and prostituion are both things that can ruin a family.

for a few K she better swallow!   She is cute, but I wouldn't pay to fuck her.   props to her tho for getting that kind of money out of that pussy.

I'd do her, but I sure as hell wouldn't pay any money to do it.

well.. if she charges $1000 an hour..

I'd pay $50 for 5 minutes with her  :P

$1000 an hour would be $83ish for 5 minutes. What was her rate, $4000 something I think? That's just crazy. That dude was really desperate. I feel really bad for his wife.

According to the NY Post today, he wanted a BJ without a condom but she insisted he wear one and he did............bet you're glad you know that, right  : ok:

LOL, those high-end whores are makin' sure they don't get any nasty STD's!  :hihi:

D says he can roll them on his clients without them even knowing. I'm pretty sure he isn't getting 5000 a pop either.

I couldn't help but  :hihi: at her page.  And all the newfound support from old horny dudes!

Jim Cramer In Tears Over Spitzer (http://www.wjno.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=244038&article=3398347)

She's moderately attractive, but nothing stunning. This guy was paying 5k for that?

He should be fired for that alone, jeez.

nice tits.  her face is pretty avg. though (there are other pictures out there).

How many diamonds was she? 

btw, i fucking LOVE the diamond scale.  it might be the new way I decide to talk about chicks  :hihi:

"Dude, you see that girl!?!?"

"eh, total two diamond, get over it brah"  :rofl:

or maybe it should be carats?

hysterical.  whores are funny.

and for those of you criticizing spitz spending thousands on her....  uh, have you seen what Spitz looks like!?!??!  Not exactly the next Brad Pitt.

She is pretty hot... but not worth that price tag.

I think the guy was either extremely arrogant he would not get caught or was just self destructive.

Probably a little bit of both.

He is client #8 :hihi:

While I actually don't disagree with lots of your reasoning on prostitution being legal, I DO have to say your interpretation of GS's correlation is "off".

Think of it this way:

Drinking is legal like sex is legal.

DUI is illegal like prostitution is illegal.

The drinking, and the sex, both have correlary BEHAVIORS that CAN be illegal...they're not illegal in and of themselves.

GS's logic actually holds up pretty well.

Initially, I said NO pussy is work 5k an hour.

Now, I can categorically say THAT pussy is DEFINITELY not worth 5k an hour...at least based on looks.  Hell, even if she's a master of the kama sutra....5k?  No way.

I look at it differently.     

Drinking can destroy families, cheating can destroy families.    as long as it wasn't forced, does it really make that big a difference how you got that sex?

you can buy alcohol, why can't you buy sex?

Its hard for me to look at this from the perspective of a woman, but if I was, I would think I'd rather hear my spouse was using a prostitute than having a love affair.    Some guys have weird fantasies/fetishes and if their wives don't act them out... they find someone who will.

My opinion on prostitution is, you aren't paying the girl for sex, you are paying for her to leave afterwards.   :hihi:

but in all seriousness, prostitution is legal here, and there is a legal brothel a mere 45 miles from my house.   If the rest of the country took note on how to do it correctly, it could be regulated much the same way things like alcohol and cigarettes are regulated.

You might want to look at it differently, but it doesn't change the fact that GS's analogy still holds up to logical scrutiny and doesn't, remotely, imply the conclusion you're trying to force him into.

Also, to point out:
Alcohol is a commodity/product.
Sex is an act.

And you can buy a gun...why can't you buy a hit?


That's why the comparison of DRINKING (an act) and SEX (an act) is more apt.


You also can't change the "rules" of his analogy because YOU want to apply different perspective.  Either his analogy makes logical sense or it doesn't. 

And, disagree all you want, but it DOES make sense.

As for the rest...again, I don't entirely disagree.  It's not an issue I feel real strongly about, but I conceed that both sides of the argument have some good points...so I'll let you and GS duke it out.

I just wanted to point out that HIS analogy DOES hold water...whether you agree with it, or not.

Thanks, Pilferk, I'm glad someone can follow my reasoning, though in fairness to JB, I admit I often take a few trips to H, Q and Z when I'm trying to get from from A to B. 

One last question for you JimBob and I'm done - If prostitution is as harmless as you make it out to be (even admirable to you), why do you think "99.5% of all parents" wouldn't want their daughter to be a prostitute? 

Wouldn't it be worse being Client #10?  Sloppy 2nds are bad enough...sloppy 10ths?   :crying:

ok, first I don't normally consider it 'admirable', but I do applaud someone who can make $5,000 per hour.   The average escort in Vegas is making about 200/hr, the high-end ones maybe 500 or a lil bit more.     I don't think they are admirable for what they do, but I don't think they are necessarily bad people.   No parent wants to think of their child as someone who sells their pussy, they don't want to think of their child as doing anything sexual for that matter.    In the end, it comes down to a woman's choice to do with her body as she wants.. the thought of it being my daughter makes me cringe.  Why?  Parents have bigger dreams for their children, and sure there are risks and potential harm under certian circumstances, but you get that with anything.

Reaching Out, Paterson Offers Different Tone
 
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE

With sorrow, seriousness and a dollop of humor, Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson opened his first full day as governor-in-waiting Thursday, pledging his continued commitment to Gov. Eliot Spitzer?s agenda but breaking markedly with the governor?s style.

In a flurry of meetings with legislative leaders, news conferences and briefings, Mr. Paterson began quickly laying the groundwork for when he is formally sworn in as governor on Monday.

At a news conference in Albany, he said he would try to govern through consensus and declined to rule out an income tax increase, and then took questions from an overflow crowd of reporters.

And when asked whether he, like Mr. Spitzer, had ever patronized a prostitute, Mr. Paterson could not suppress his trademark dagger wit.

He paused, gave a sly smile, and answered, ?Only the lobbyists.?

The tone Mr. Paterson set in his appearances was the most marked shift from Mr. Spitzer, who favored stern and high-flying oratory over self-deprecating humor.

?I kind of feel like the student who?s getting ready for the final exam but they didn?t attend any classes,? Mr. Paterson conceded Thursday morning in an interview broadcast from the Capitol on radio station WGDJ.

In his remarks to reporters, Mr. Paterson signaled that he would remain committed to most of Mr. Spitzer?s priorities, including the broad outlines of the governor?s budget plan, a push for more restrictions on campaign donations, and a $1 billion public investment fund to invigorate the upstate economy.

?I promised the governor yesterday that I would commit myself to the people of this great state, that we would have stability and continuity in those challenges that lie ahead,? said Mr. Paterson, a Democrat, at the news conference.

Unlike Mr. Spitzer, Mr. Paterson, who has favored tax increases on the wealthy in the past, did not rule out raising taxes to balance the budget for the next fiscal year, which begins April 1. The Assembly is pushing for a measure that would increase taxes on those earning more than $1 million to 7.7 percent from 6.85 percent.

Briefly addressing Mr. Spitzer?s future, Mr. Paterson, 53, said he considers the governor a close friend, adding, ?In my heart I feel he has suffered enough.? He acknowledged that some people might feel that prosecutors should pursue criminal charges against Mr. Spitzer.

?That is why we have dispassionate law enforcement that looks into these situations,? he said. ?We should leave it in their hands, and support them, which I do.?

In ways large and small, Mr. Spitzer?s presence at the Capitol had already begun to fade. His belongings were being packed into boxes and his office desk cleared of the family photos that once adorned it.

Christine Anderson, a spokeswoman for the governor?s office, said the staff of the executive chamber had already started to take bills to Mr. Paterson that had been awaiting Mr. Spitzer?s signature.

Mr. Paterson kept up a hectic pace of meetings with his future partners in government, including Joseph L. Bruno, the Senate majority leader, and Sheldon Silver, the Assembly speaker. Mr. Paterson consulted with the state comptroller, Thomas P. DiNapoli, on Wednesday. Mr. DiNapoli has said his office is auditing Mr. Spitzer?s travel records to determine whether he spent state money in arranging or traveling to his liaisons with prostitutes.

It was his wish to give himself time to become acclimated, Mr. Paterson said, that led him to ask Mr. Spitzer to hold off formally resigning until Monday.

?I wanted to spend today not being sworn in, or speaking, or in any way celebrating,? he said. ?I wanted to come in here, meet with the legislative leaders, get back to work on some of those points where I need to be updated on where the budget process is now ? do that for a few days.?

On Thursday morning, Mr. Paterson met with Mr. Spitzer?s staff members, in part to assure aides that the transition between administrations would be smooth and that there would be no wholesale housecleaning of the executive chamber.

Mr. Paterson also spoke with Mr. Spitzer on Thursday, Ms. Anderson said, and is likely to do so often as the transition progresses. Mr. Spitzer will have no formal role in Mr. Paterson?s administration, however, and is not expected to exercise his powers as governor or appear in Albany, she said.

Mr. Paterson acknowledged in his radio appearance Thursday morning that as lieutenant governor, he had not been closely involved in formulating Mr. Spitzer?s budget plan. Later in the day, he said he planned to meet all weekend with agency heads and budget officials to prepare better for the budget negotiations.

The Assembly and the Senate are already moving ahead with their own budget deliberations, and hope to have a final spending plan approved by March 31. Assemblyman Herman D. Farrell Jr., the Manhattan Democrat who heads the Assembly Budget Committee, said the Senate and the Assembly just passed their modifications to the governor?s budget plan. Meetings to iron out a compromise are to begin on Monday.

As he turns his attention to the budget, aides said the incoming governor would retain key members of Mr. Spitzer?s staff, including the budget director, Laura L. Anglin, and Paul Francis, the director of operations.

The two had been working together to control state spending and find new sources of revenue in the face of a projected $4.4 billion budget gap.

Several other Spitzer aides seem likely to stay, at least for now. They include Sean Patrick Maloney, the first deputy secretary to the governor; Bruce Gyory, a senior adviser; and Mr. Spitzer?s press team, headed by Ms. Anderson.

Speaking with reporters, Ms. Anderson said there would be relatively few resignations.

But members of Mr. Spitzer?s tight-knit inner circle are likely to depart when the governor does. Richard Baum, Mr. Spitzer?s top aide and gatekeeper, has already submitted his resignation. He will be replaced by Mr. Paterson?s chief of staff, Charles J. O?Byrne, who met Thursday with members of Mr. Spitzer?s executive staff.

Lloyd Constantine, Mr. Spitzer?s close friend, mentor, and adviser, has already submitted a letter of resignation, although he will continue to assist the transition.

Some of those likely to depart are aides Mr. Spitzer brought with him from the attorney general?s office whom some legislators blamed for Mr. Spitzer?s combative approach to governing in his early months in office.

Changes in staff are not the only ones Mr. Paterson is likely to make. He did not make a commitment to voluntary limits on his own campaign fund-raising, as Mr. Spitzer did when he became governor. Asked whether he would support Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg?s proposal for congestion pricing to regulate traffic in Manhattan, Mr. Paterson said only that he would take a look at it.

But in some areas, Mr. Paterson seemed more inclined to revise Mr. Spitzer?s rhetoric rather than his policies. Speaking of campaign finance reform, Mr. Paterson did not, as the governor did, pledge to visit the districts of uncooperative lawmakers and publicly lambaste them. Instead, he spoke of trying to reach a consensus with the Senate and Assembly on lowering campaign limits.

?We want to not dictate campaign finance,? Mr. Paterson said. ?We want to really persuade legislators that it really is the root of a lot of the dysfunction we have in Albany.?

I heard on the radio today that Michael Jordan is client #10, and that his attorneys aren't expecting him to be charged.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/840198,CST-NWS-SNEED13.article

So he's not client 10 and isn't a target of the investigation.

His attorney conveniently dodged the question whether, or not, he was part of Emperor's clientele. He could be an unindicted co-conspirator.

Ahhhhhhhhhh!  Get this bitch's pictures out of my face.  She's posing like a preschooler who's pooped in her pants!

 

Spitz's girl just became a millionaire.  she put her song on an itunes like site and its already been bought ove a million times.  i bet shes in negotiation with playboy or penthouse for a spread - that should net her a few hundred thousand at least.  my guess is she'll get a record deal out of this as well and they'll squirt out an album as fast as they can to cash in.

only in america  : ok:

She's coming out as the big winner. It's her 15 minutes of fame.......

Beats sucking off old men, more power to her.

interesting phrasing slc...it also sucks beating off old men.   :hihi:

shit..for 5k an hour, I'd do both :hihi:

As would I..

Hi, I know this will sound crazy, but my real name is Elliott and I'm from NY...are you busy this weekend? 
 :rofl:

Hustler offered her 1 million to pose nude for them

not bad, she'll make 2 million total off her song and magazine spread.  i bet a book deal or TV movie is next.  maybe a reality tv show - shot at love with a prostitute :)

If you take Amex, send me a PM, I need to get points as I'd like to going skiing next winter.

I do agree with Jim Bob that prostitution should be legal.  I don't think the guy should've resigned. This sort of compares to the Gay NJ Governor that time where he was against Gay marriage or whatever it was and he turned out to be gay.

i do think its odd that Spitz resigned but Vitters did not.  Thats why I bet A4P that hot dog.  Damn, price of food is going up too, thats going to cost more than I thought ;)

Maybe I'll have to throw a wig on and seduce the new blind governor, trick him into thinking i'm a fine piece of ass and give him a super discount, only $10 for a tug - very disturbing image - like the scene in Boogie Nights when Dirk Diggler is trying to make an extra buck or two and gets the shit kicked him out of him by those a-holes in the parking lot.

time for bed  :hihi:

that was Jim McGreevy. was he against gay marriage? i know he gave his lover the homeland security advisor position which he had no qualifications for. unreal.

i think i agree with you on the prostitution thing. Michael Smerconish (political talk show host) wrote a good piece on it...

Head Strong: It's time for prostitution to be legalized
By Michael Smerconish

I want to get three things out of the way up front: Eliot Spitzer violated his marriage. Eliot Spitzer is a hypocrite. And on the surface, it would appear Eliot Spitzer broke the law. (The Mann Act must be the most ironically named of laws.)
Spitzer's a bum.

Now, let's have the real conversation.

It is ridiculous that governance of the nation's third-largest state is changing hands because two consenting adults swapped sex for money instead of the conventional cosmopolitan or margarita.

When the dust settles over this brouhaha, I hope we'll be ready for a long-overdue, realistic, adult conversation about prostitution. It's time to bring the world's oldest profession aboveboard in communities willing to allow it, clean up the trade, and clamp down on the exploitation. Let government share in the revenue, but otherwise stay out of the private affairs of consenting adults. Beyond the role of the tax man, prostitution doesn't warrant the involvement of federal authorities.

Instructive is the way in which Spitzer was caught. Since Sept. 11, 2001, the financial world has been required to alert the feds when evidence arises of conduct that could be linked to terrorism. Spitzer's suspicious money transfers were the thread that led to his discovery. Some functionary or other recognized that this was a case of titillation, not terrorism, yet nevertheless committed the resources that brought about Spitzer's public crash. What a waste of time, expertise, and the people's money.

Alan Dershowitz once taught Eliot Spitzer at Harvard Law, and Spitzer worked for him as a research assistant on the Claus von B?low case.

With regard to the investigation, Dershowitz told me that "they used 5,000 wiretaps. They intercepted 6,000 e-mails. Every hour spent on going after prostitution is an hour that could have been spent on going after terrorists and going after people who victimize.

"People say 'hypocrisy' because he was the sheriff of Wall Street. When he was the sheriff of Wall Street, he was going after people that hurt you and me and that go after our money, or people that go after us physically. There's a big difference between that and these kinds of sin crimes that we've always had on the books and mostly don't have on the books anymore."

Which is not to say that Spitzer should emerge from his escapades unscathed. But the discipline that should be meted in this case should come from within his family. It ought to get resolved the old-fashioned way - beginning with his clothes being thrown out the second-floor window of the governor's mansion.

Dershowitz also said: "You have to remember that 30 years ago, it was a crime to masturbate or fornicate or commit adultery or to engage in homosexuality, and these stupid, stupid prostitution laws are a remnant of that old approach to private morality.

"Twenty years from now, people will look back at this and say, 'What? Somebody had to resign or be indicted because he went and paid for an adult prostitute who was making $5,000 an hour?' Where's the victim here?"

Well, by my count, there are four victims here: Spitzer's wife and three teenage daughters. His need to answer to them will probably be the private equivalent of capital punishment. And private is how most of this should remain. Aside from the fact Spitzer is a prominent public figure, a case like this should not be the public's business.

(Note to reader: Go back and read the first paragraph lest you think this is a defense of Eliot Spitzer.)

There's another argument in support of legalizing prostitution. I call it the Quasimodo Theory. Some among us are never going to find companionship for a variety of reasons. And their solitary existence is accentuated by the constant barrage of sexual stimulation we see every day on television and billboards, in our mailboxes in the form of fashion catalogs, in the ring-card girls at boxing matches and halftime dancers at a Sixers game. Even in the midst of campaign coverage, it's there: in the below-the-desk shots of gloss-lipped and shiny-legged cable TV news anchors.

It can't be healthy for some people to feel the amassed pressure of such images, such expectations, and have their personal expectations go unfulfilled.

And again, some guys just won't have the opportunity to find happiness, even short-term. But who's to say they don't deserve a chance?

What this campaign for legalized prostitution lacks is someone to champion the cause. I know a well-qualified man who'll soon have time on his hands.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080316_Head_Strong__Its_time_for_prostitution_to_be_legalized.html

haha, when did I miss a wager for the hot dog?  :hihi:

That would have seemed more appropriate for one of the gay republican scandals...but whadda I know?

Somewhere in Scandinavia right now, Polluxlm is shaking his head wondering, "What the hell was Spitzer thinking?  He could have been tagging a super hot female doll with no worries.  Hell, he could have his buddies over tag-teaming it and it wouldn't be gay!...or would it?  :nervous:"         
 :hihi:

PS  yep...Hil-Dog owes me an h. dog.  By the time GNR tours again, with the US economy the way it is, that baby will be going for $15 by then!   :peace:

NY DAILY NEWS: Hours after he?s sworn in, new NY Gov. Paterson Confesses Affair...

Gov. Paterson admits to sex with other woman for years

Monday, March 17th 2008, 9:44 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/03/17/2008-03-17_gov_paterson_admits_to_sex_with_other_wo.html

This is getting even more interesting.

At least Patterson had the balls to get this out in the open before someone dug it up.

Well, are affairs any of the publics business? Are we so afraid of sex, that we are compelled to know what naughty things others are doing?

they aren't.   One's sex life has no effect on their ability to be a political leader.

 Spitzer call girl loses $1 mln offer over videos

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Ashley Alexandra Dupre, the call girl at the center of the Elliot Spitzer sex scandal, watched the potential earnings from her new-found fame drop by $1 million on Tuesday as old nude videos of her emerged.

Adult DVD distributor "Girls Gone Wild" discovered videos of a semi-nude Dupre, now 22, in its archives and plans to sell them on its Web site, a company spokesman said.

"Girls Gone Wild" had offered to pay Dupre $1 million to pose nude in a magazine it plans to launch but, after discovering the old footage, the company withdrew its offer.

Last week, Spitzer resigned as governor of New York after news surfaced he had paid for a sexual encounter in Washington, D.C. The New York Times revealed that Dupre was the prostitute he had hired.

A "Girls Gone Wild" video crew met Dupre in Miami in 2003 and she stayed with them for a week shooting videos, the spokesman said.

If it did, we wouldn't have some of the greatest leaders of the 20th century, e,g; Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter(in his heart :hihi:), and Clinton to name a few.

Spitz - what were you thinking!!!

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03272008/news/regionalnews/and_there_he_hos_again_103741.htm

Do all politicians have terrible taste in "other women?"  Jesus!  These chicks are hideous...okay Dupre is just okay, but those other two are downright scary-lookin'. 

I really think Spitz should be on some sort of suicide watch.  Scary stuff.

From the beginning, I have always thought Spitzer's wife was much better looking and much more sexier than the call girl. I would have paid the $5000 per hour to Mrs. Spitzer rather than that call girl any day.

It isn't a fear of sex, it is a window into a person's character. And if the affair involved taxpayer dollars, that makes it even worse.

If things are not working out, get a divorce BEFORE you sleep with someone else.

Damn straight Drew.  Chicks with brains rock.  I really feel sorry for that woman.  I would be so disgusted.  I'd have to wash my privates with bleach.   :(

"Character", give me a break. The private life should be just that, unless it involves the use of tax payer money.

bullshit...when you put yourself in those positions you open yourself up for extortion..blackmail...etc...if someone got evidence of what he was doing they would have had the GOVERNOR of New York at their mercy....its not safe for anyone....

You seem to be having a different conversation than me.

Take a person who cheats on his wife and compare it to someone who divorced his wife, then pursued another woman.

Who would you think better of?

I don't care, it is none of my business what happens in their personal life. If you abuse tax payer money, or break the law, then it is my business.

Maybe she doesn't know how to work that thang.

I'd think worse of the person asking the question.