George Fox a.k.a. Client #9 a.k.a. Governor Eliot Spitzer (D, NY)

[SLCPUNK]

Client No. 8: The Unluckiest SOB on the Planet!
by Melody Townsel
Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 04:52:36 PM PDT

We've all had days when luck seems to leave us. When nothing turns out right. When everything we touch falls apart.

Days like the day Elliott Spitzer -- a.ka. Client No. 9 -- had yesterday. And days like the anonymous Client No. 8 is having today.

Yesterday morning, Client No. 8 was a man in charge of his privileged world. Fat bank account. (Well, fat enough to bankroll an evening with a $5,550/night hooker.) In all likelihood, a man of some power. (Well, powerful enough to get himself a membership in the Emperor's Club.) A man some may have looked up to. (Well, assuming none of his friends or colleagues knew he had to pay for sex.)

Today, Client No. 8's world fell apart. More below:

Today, Client No. 8 probably knows the gig is up. Thanks to fellow Emperor's Club frequent flyer Elliott "Client No. 9" Spitzer, Client No. 8 may well be facing federal prosecution.

He's just a guy. Granted, a really rich guy. A guy lookin' for love. And he's not greedy. He just wants that luvin' for one lousy night at a time. A guy who's just too damned busy to meet members of the opposite sex the way the rest of us do it, sitting in a crowded meet market or trollin' the supermarket aisles.

Yesterday, he put on his Armani suit and headed to work. Today, he put on another Armani and headed to his attorney.

Yeterday, "johns" in sex stings -- even federal sex stings -- rarely were prosecuted. Today, thanks to Client No. 9, all the other clients -- 1-8, 11 and up -- are surely bound for prosecution, unless Spitzer figures out a way to avoid indictment. And the odds of that are less than the odds of George Bush ever stringing together five complete sentences that aren't scripted for him.

Yesterday, that $5,500/night call girl probably felt like a god-given right. Client 8 had earned it. He had the scratch on-hand. He knew where to go to get what he wanted.

Today, thanks to sharing the same taste in women-for-hire with Spitzer, Client No. 8 is fucked.

Now that, my friends, is a bad day.

Client No. 8? The unluckiest bastard on the planet today.

[GeorgeSteele]

Also, I don't agree that prostitution is a victimless crime.  Tell that to his wife who just found out that her husband has been fucking hookers and has preferred to do so without condoms.  Tell that to his daughters who just found out that the father they've always looked up to is more attracted to hookers than the mother who's been a role model for them.

yes his wife and children are the ONLY victims in this, and that should have nothing to do with the law.   its not the governments job to keep guys from sleeping with other women or prostitutes.    He fucked up, but it should concern his family more than it does anyone else.

I don't think they're the only victims, but even if they were, what does that prove?  If he beats his wife, she's the only victim; therefore, it shouldn't be a crime?

you can't compare this to domestic violence.   assulting someone should of course be a crime.     he hurt his wife and his family because of it, but in my opinion, the action should be taken by his wife (i.e. divorce), not the criminal system.

his family are victims of his actions, but he didn't physically assult them or cause injury.  he just fucked up and was unfaithful.   how can you even compare the two?    if you don't see the difference, I dont know what else to tell you.

OK, so now you concede that something can be a crime even if "only" wives and children would be the victims.  And, by the way, if a john transmits an STD to his wife, that might be worse than a black eye, no?

[SLCPUNK]

It's all fun n games until it burns when you pee.

[Jim Bob]

OK, so now you concede that something can be a crime even if "only" wives and children would be the victims.  And, by the way, if a john transmits an STD to his wife, that might be worse than a black eye, no?

transmitting STDs is an entirely different scenario, and I think that should be a criminal offense.   Cheating on your wife shouldn't be, it should be grounds for divorce.   

who is the "victim" if the john is a lonely single guy in need of some pussy and the woman is a mentally competent consenting adult?

[GeorgeSteele]

transmitting STDs is an entirely different scenario, and I think that should be a criminal offense.   Cheating on your wife shouldn't be, it should be grounds for divorce.   

But if someone is engaging in behavior that exponentially increases the risk of transmitting an STD, shouldn't that behavior be criminal? 

who is the "victim" if the john is a lonely single guy in need of some pussy and the woman is a mentally competent consenting adult?

Even assuming there would be no victims in that case, how do you ensure that only single guys are customers?

If you're talking street prostitution, the victim would be the members of the community that don't enjoy walking by a car and seeing a guy getting a blow job (and don't want their kids witnessing that).  They probably would be too happy about their property values taking a dive because the corner of their block is the neigborhood pimp's headquarters.

As far as prostitution in general, it's exploitative of underprivileged women.  Any given prostitute might be "mentally competent", but a woman who is solicited into an occupation where the threat of rape, disease and even murder is somewhat on the high side, is not a woman with a lot of choices in life.

[Jim Bob]

But if someone is engaging in behavior that exponentially increases the risk of transmitting an STD, shouldn't that behavior be criminal? 

No, not at all.   If you choose to have engage in sexual relations, that is a risk you take.    It takes two.   Single people who sleep around should be criminally prosecuted?   what about couples who swing?

Even assuming there would be no victims in that case, how do you ensure that only single guys are customers?

you can't.   what about guys who are in a committed relationship that aren't married?  what about guys that simply cheat on their spouses but not with hookers?  this should be criminal? 

morally wrong?  yes.  criminal?  no, not at all.

If you're talking street prostitution, the victim would be the members of the community that don't enjoy walking by a car and seeing a guy getting a blow job (and don't want their kids witnessing that). 

thats called indecent exposure.   i could do that with my girlfriend and it'd also be illegal.   i'm talking about 2 consenting adults behind closed doors.

They probably would be too happy about their property values taking a dive because the corner of their block is the neigborhood pimp's headquarters.

how is this criminal?   lots of things can lower property value, thats the risk you take when you buy and own property.  they are building a casino around the corner from my condo and the property value is going up.

As far as prostitution in general, it's exploitative of underprivileged women.  Any given prostitute might be "mentally competent", but a woman who is solicited into an occupation where the threat of rape, disease and even murder is somewhat on the high side, is not a woman with a lot of choices in life.

not all of them are underprivledged.    some of them are.   some do it because the money is really good.   i know plenty of escorts and women who work in the adult business.    They are the ones making this choice and they should have the right to offer sexual services for money.

[sandman]

how about the kids that have to grow up in neighborhoods where hookers roam the streets and do drugs all hours of the day. where pimps show up with guns and beat women down in the middle of the street. and homeowners that have to put signs in front of their house that say "Stay off my property, hookers" cause whores give BJs on people's front porches.

i consider those people "victims."

[Jim Bob]

how about the kids that have to grow up in neighborhoods where hookers roam the streets and do drugs all hours of the day. where pimps show up with guns and beat women down in the middle of the street. and homeowners that have to put signs in front of their house that say "Stay off my property, hookers" cause whores give BJs on people's front porches.

i consider those people "victims."

here in Nevada, its all regulated in brothels.    of course there needs to be regulations and rules. 

The things you speak of are drug use, assult and battery, and indecent exposure.    you can have legalized prostitution and all that other stuff would still be illegal.

[Axl4Prez2004]

how about the kids that have to grow up in neighborhoods where hookers roam the streets and do drugs all hours of the day. where pimps show up with guns and beat women down in the middle of the street. and homeowners that have to put signs in front of their house that say "Stay off my property, hookers" cause whores give BJs on people's front porches.

i consider those people "victims."

here in Nevada, its all regulated in brothels.    of course there needs to be regulations and rules. 

The things you speak of are drug use, assult and battery, and indecent exposure.    you can have legalized prostitution and all that other stuff would still be illegal.

"regulations and rules???"  But doesn't that bring the government into the equation?  I thought we were taught the federal government can't do anything efficiently?  Now you want to increase the size of government?  Didn't the wise prophet Ronnie Reagan believe in de-regulation and a hands-off policy when it came to governmental interference??
I kid.
Seriously, I tend to side a little more with Jim Bob on this one.  Personally, I find the concept of prostitution skeevy beyond belief.  It just grosses me out big time.  It's not a huge issue with me personally.  Ideally, if we were able to regulate the business and keep it safe, I'd probably say that's the best scenario...but for now, since it's nowhere near close to "regulatable," as Sandman has clearly illustrated, we're probably best off just enforcing the damn law.  Again, a lot of this crap comes down to piss-poor enforcement...and before that, piss-poor family structure which breeds the problems.

Hookers suck.  Hell, I consider a lot of women who have never walked a street or worked in a brothel "prostitutes."  A lot of chicks out there will marry men because they have a ton of money.   

Hil-dawg owes me another hot dog!!!!!!!!!!      

 

[Jim Bob]

using GeorgeSteele's logic, drinking alcohol should also be illegal beause someone might drink and drive.   

just like alcohol, prostitution could be regulated like having zoning regulations, and even taxation.   Alcohol is legal but not for anyone under the age of 21 and driving under the influence is illegal.   Prostitution could be legal, but getting a bj in a public area would be indecent exposure.

[TAP]

"Kristen" revealed

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23600504/

[TAP]

Her song...

http://amiestreet.com/artist/13321/info

[fuckin crazy]

^I made it through about 5 sec. She'll probably get signed over this. Record execs love shit music these days.

[TAP]

http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta

[sandman]

how about the kids that have to grow up in neighborhoods where hookers roam the streets and do drugs all hours of the day. where pimps show up with guns and beat women down in the middle of the street. and homeowners that have to put signs in front of their house that say "Stay off my property, hookers" cause whores give BJs on people's front porches.

i consider those people "victims."

here in Nevada, its all regulated in brothels.    of course there needs to be regulations and rules. 

The things you speak of are drug use, assult and battery, and indecent exposure.    you can have legalized prostitution and all that other stuff would still be illegal.

and we can have peace in the world too.

we're talking reality here. it's illegal. and there are many victims involved, as i highlighted. whether is SHOULD be legal or not isn't relevant to the points that were made about victims. that's a hypothetical.

[TAP]

^I made it through about 5 sec.

That'll cost you about $20 

[GeorgeSteele]

using GeorgeSteele's logic, drinking alcohol should also be illegal beause someone might drink and drive.   

Man, you're intense.  Actually, using my logic, drinking and driving would be illegal because it's high risk behavior and might lead to accidents, injury, death, etc.  Wait, it is illegal...

[Axl4Prez2004]

Sorry, I just don't see that being worth thousands of bucks.   

the music...I've heard worse.  I really think it sounded pretty good for what it is...

Now, she just needs a name for her band...my idea? 

Spitz 'R Swallow [/b]   

[fuckin crazy]

^I made it through about 5 sec.

That'll cost you about $20 

I can get 15 min for that down on 3rd and Chestnut.

[Jim Bob]

using GeorgeSteele's logic, drinking alcohol should also be illegal beause someone might drink and drive.   

Man, you're intense.  Actually, using my logic, drinking and driving would be illegal because it's high risk behavior and might lead to accidents, injury, death, etc.  Wait, it is illegal...

it is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be, thats not what i'm saying..    by your logic with prostitution, it should be illegal to even have a drink in the privacy of your own house. 

by my logic, you can hire a prostitute and take her behind closed doors and not hurt a damn thing.     if you have her blow you in the car in a public place, that should be against the law.

and props to the girl, selling that pussy for a few K an hour, she has my respect.