Baz "axl is getting ready to put out chinese democracy"

[ppbebe]

Isn't it flat obvious that axl was trying to be positive about robins departure in there? Just like in the rir cancellation letter.
Sweet are the uses of adversity.

Tank.....you're right. It is mainly these forums where the knuckleheads come to sound off. Good point.

Yea the emotional literacy of the knuckleheads seems severely poor.

[Atillla]

and the Slash "lazy" argument"....come on, Axl didnt sung with the band only once after the 7/17/93 show at rehearsals and rarely showed up anyway when the band had practised hours a day. it surely would piss about every band members in any band if your singer isnt doing his job - which in the first place always would be singing.

Listen to Slash's Snakepit's album, it's 5 o'clock somewhere (which on it had Slash's material for the new GnR album that Axl refused unless it was worked on heavily...) and what you hear is a half-assed attempt to sound like AfD.... with mediocre songwriting.

The guitar parts the way they were played sounded uninspired and the solos were just random cliche licks, with a few exceptions.

I would say Slash was lazy around that period.

[Jim Bob]

Jim Bob: that "book" owned you. as simple as that! good read, thanks!

no it didn't.. it was full of conspiracy theories and speculation and most of it had no basis at all.  just a slash fan looking for an excuse to talk about slash in a thread that has jack shit to do with him.

[Limulus]

listen to any other un-Axl-song and you'll have it this way...
and no way the Slash "lazy" argument" is THE ultimate break-up, please!! come on, Axl didnt sung with the band only once after the 7/17/93 show at rehearsals and rarely showed up anyway when the band had practised hours a day. it surely would piss about every band members in any band if your singer isnt doing his job - which in the first place always would be singing.

Listen to Slash's Snakepit's album, it's 5 o'clock somewhere (which on it had Slash's material for the new GnR album that Axl refused unless it was worked on heavily...) and what you hear is a half-assed attempt to sound like AfD.... with mediocre songwriting.

The guitar parts the way they were played sounded uninspired and the solos were just random cliche licks, with a few exceptions.

I would say Slash was lazy around that period.

hui hui.......sure!! nice try to post your opinion on songs you've NEVER heard the possible devolpment on....and yeah: Robin comes, Robin goes (*Finck blinded* ).... hups, SCOM intro...hard to play this SLASH riff live, huh? *many poofs*

anyway did you ever read my last posts in this? i guess no......but again i still say that the most important part in a band as a singer is TO SING!!!
sorry, Axl board.....no way to blame it mostly on Slash!!! yeah, time to move on, bla bla....

ever considered Steph for this (GREETINGS, BETA!!!)!!???

no it didn't.. it was full of conspiracy theories and speculation and most of it had no basis at all.  just a slash fan looking for an excuse to talk about slash in a thread that has jack shit to do with him.

can you argue on any "speculation" or is this a little too hard to reply??  *all speculation* *Slash who??*     <--- THE main riff writer for your hifi   

[Randy Jesus]

Another sign is that they have a new official guns n roses online store... with the same shit....

[Jim Bob]

can you argue on any "speculation" or is this a little too hard to reply??  *all speculation* *Slash who??*     <--- THE main riff writer for your hifi   

I could, but Jarmo already pointed it out.    The reason the person we have no reason to be talking about left the band.   Nothing to do Chinese Democracy.

[Atillla]

listen to any other un-Axl-song and you'll have it this way...
and no way the Slash "lazy" argument" is THE ultimate break-up, please!!

Listen to Slash's Snakepit's album, it's 5 o'clock somewhere (which on it had Slash's material for the new GnR album that Axl refused unless it was worked on heavily...) and what you hear is a half-assed attempt to sound like AfD.... with mediocre songwriting.

The guitar parts the way they were played sounded uninspired and the solos were just random cliche licks, with a few exceptions.

I would say Slash was lazy around that period.

hui hui.......sure!! nice try to post your opinion on songs you've NEVER heard the possible devolpment on....and yeah: Robin comes, Robin goes (*Finck blinded* ).... hups, SCOM intro...hard to play this SLASH riff live, huh? *many poofs*

It is the opinion of AXL, he told it himself in a radio interview, loose quote "5 o'clock somewhere was the next GnR album and I wasn't gonna have it".... Slash himself also spoke about the fact that for the 5 0'clock album, he used material rejected by Axl.

On top of that, you talk about possible development that I never heard in those songs...that was the problem, Slash was too lazy to develop them more, change them around like Axl wanted... so he released them half-assed in a mediocre solo album. Hence, Slash was lazy argument holds water

And finally, Finck plays the intro to SCOM identical to the AfD version, even the tone and all the same. Never liked that corny riff BTW, boring.

[Limulus]

nah, i am talking about an album which could have been a good one IF Axl would have sung on there or to work with the band more, an album Axl wanted to have parts "back" when he heard it was gonna be released without his voice on.     just cant understand the Slash-"lazy"-argument and blame he is getting here when he actually worked on songs and wrote riffs but Axl rarely came and never sung at rehearsals. the job of a singer is singing in the first place! so if the word "lazy" would have to be dedicated to a person to that band period it must be Axl!
and SCOM intro Finck fucked up often  

[jarmo]

nah, i am talking about an album which could have been a good one IF Axl would have sung on there or to work with the band more, an album Axl wanted to have parts "back" when he heard it was gonna be released without his voice on.     just cant understand the Slash-"lazy"-argument and blame he is getting here when he actually worked on songs and wrote riffs but Axl rarely came and never sung at rehearsals. the job of a singer is singing in the first place! so if the word "lazy" would have to be dedicated to a person to that band period it must be Axl!

Of course you don't get it. You didn't even get the fact that this thread has nothing to do with Slash.

Even that "singer" in Slash's current band rejected a bunch of songs they had written before their first album came out because he couldn't see himself singing on them. History repeats.

If you don't hear something that motivates you, why sing on the songs?

You can spend every hour of the day recording and yet be considered somewhat lazy. Just because you're taking the easy route, you just refuse to leave your comfort zone and keep doing the same stuff over and over.



So, if you still don't get it, you're very welcome to discuss this in the Dead Horse section. 




/jarmo

[Fingers]

As far as guitar playing, I'm just hoping bucket's playing still remains-at one point when Robin left Axl said he was unsure whether or not his parts would remain on the re-recorded version of appetite, having even said his departure was a good thing, which I never understood-I like Robin's playing

[Limulus]

mr. admin...you did reply on this lazy-talking a couple of times yourself. then move the ~3 pages with the non-cd talking in here to dead horse please, its still seems to be an interesting subject. some people love to move the laziness-card to Slash but it has been in Axl's hands those years.
and the scott comparing is "lazy" from you because he refused to sing on them as they were too much gnr sounding in the 1st place, those were the izzy songs and thats totally different from Axl's refusing to sing on them. he refused to sing in generell.

back to topic, i hope "axl is still getting ready to put out cd" 

[jarmo]

You didn't prove anything I said to be wrong.

Instead you keep going around in circles. Here's a thought for you to take over to Dead Horse, "write more songs". That's what Rick Rubin once told a certain band. 



You obviously have a hard time realizing that many singers, not just Axl, doesn't seem to sing until something in the music catches their attention. I guess it goes back to having integrity. You just don't sing for the sake of singing. You sing because you have something to say, paint a picture with words or express an emotion etc.


I don't know how you react to music, maybe it's just something you listen to in the background without paying attention, but for me, when I hear something that catches my attention and I like, I just wanna hear it again.


For you making music seems to be similar to a "regular" job. You have to sing, it's your job.

I think that if that was the case for GN'R, there'd been a bunch of albums out just to cash in. Albums are just released as quickly as possible as an excuse to go out on tour, which is where you make money.

Not everybody plays that game....




I expect your next reply in this thread to be on topic. 



/jarmo

[mrbucketfoot]

Get over it. Your like the girl who gets broken up with because things weren't working out and blames that guy for ruining their life. Instead of the fond memories that you had together and moving on, you hold onto the grudge until it poisons every thought about that person.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing the cover art for the album. Baz said that Axl was finishing up liner notes, so I assume that means the album cover is on lockdown. There was some really cool art on the 02/06/07 tours so it'll be interesting to see in what direction they go. A more art oriented one like AFD and UYI? Or maybe it'll be a picture.

Time will tell.

[Limulus]

well, if some people like to re-write the gnr history in a weird way you gotta get replies. and nobody could prove my points -which were a reaction of a subject others than me came up in this thread- wrong aswell. and i'm very sorry, but IMO a singer has to sing at points, muse there or not 

the album cover shown in Hong Kong'02 never got online as a pic taken by a fan or so?

[jarmo]

Nobody proved you wrong? Really? I guess it happens when you ignore points being made by others....


Just like the rest of the finger pointers, there's a lot of IFs but no BUTs in your posts.

It's always nice to point out all the should've, could've and would've scenarios when you don't have to take into account anything that would explain the situation.

If anybody's trying to rewrite history it's you with your simplified view of looking at the whole situation. At least I acknowledge the fact that there's probably a reason, or reasons, for why it happened. With you, it's just "should've done this and that".



So, I suggest you keep your off topic posts to a minimum from now on.

I'm not asking you nicely again. 





/jarmo

[Crowebar]

This board has become boring man.

Everytime I come here now it seems that every thread turns into a neverending bitch/slugfest.

Sorry jarmo but, it's fucking pathetic either way you cut the cake.

[Limulus]

lots of ignoring and simplifying in your posts aswell

the album cover shown in Hong Kong'02 never got online as a pic taken by a fan or so?

[jarmo]

I guess you see what you want to see. 


Regarding your "on topic" question: No.



/jarmo

[babydolls]

You raise some interesting discussion points, Naupis.  However, after going back and re-reading the Kurt Loder interview to which you refer, I strongly disagree with your interpretation that Axl regarded Robin as a ?mediocre guitarist?.  My understanding is that Axl was referring to Robin?s fondness for playing in a particular style rather than his technical prowess.  Axl has said that he wants GNR?s music to draw on elements from a wide sphere of musical styles and I think that he was reflecting this when he mentioned his wish to push the guitar parts ? not doubting Robin?s ability.  I believe that is why he has the three guitarists he now has in GNR, precisely because it allows each to bring their particular talent and speciality to the mix, in order that together they create the kind of distinctive sound that Axl envisaged for the evolution of GNR.

If I were to use an analogy it would be to compare musicians with tattooists.  I?m getting some more ink done and have a particular style in mind, so I?m going to an artist that specialises in the type of work I want.  I know that he?s a fantastic artist and in all likelihood could produce excellent work in other styles but I also appreciate that he prefers to work a certain way and, out of respect for his artistry and as a fellow human being, I wouldn?t dream of asking him to work in a way that he wasn?t comfortable with.

The situation with Slash I believe to be different.  It?s my opinion that the frustration Axl felt regarding Slash in those post-Illusion days largely came down to attitude, outlook and the future development of GNR.  I don?t believe that Slash is ?lazy? in the wider sense of the word because he seems to be pretty busy most of the time, but I do think that he obtains his motivation from very different sources than Axl and that this manifested itself in his approach to the recording of the next GNR album.

I agree with you Cyllan - points well made.  Tattoo analogy is a good one - rather than comparing with other bands - its interesting to look at it from the perspective of another form of art. 

[mrbucketfoot]

That's assuming that Axl was still going with the bike and graffiti thing. There was a rumor that Neville Garrick was hired to do the cover art, so maybe it's changed since '02.