Here Today... Gone To Hell!

well !!!!

so i`m the first one onr this one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

c`mon  ticos  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  IS YOUR TURN   :peace:

IM GOING TO SAN SALVADOR AND GUATEMALA !!!!!!!!!!!!

but costa rica WILL FKN ROCK !

I am going right now to Costa Rica!

See all your SPAM works  :hihi:

Does anyone know what ticket sales have been like?  Didn't iron maiden play for like 40,000 people there?

gunsnroses    So... who knows the way to San Jose? COSTA RICA that is! here we come!
42 minutes ago via web

how`s been the promo for costa rica '?

Tv ads, big billboards... its been ok.

Ricardo Saprissa Stadium - Pictures:

http://www.saprissa.co.cr/content/articles/895/1/La-Cueva/Page1.html

I got my ticket ready, from Nicaragua, going to see GN'R Live!!!! My dream since I was 14 years old, this is so cool.


Rock on!!!!
 

Congratulations... The Big Boss AXL ROSE & GN'R !!

 :hihi:

I wish I could go to this one.  I visited Costa Rica about 10 years ago and it was a blast!  They really know how to party over there.  I predict an amazing crowd...

VERY TRUE !!!!

amazing and crazy crowd !!!!!!!!!

wait FOR GUATEMALA OR SALVADOR

Beatiful Venue

 :peace:

Too bad this concert was only one month after metallica, with more time and promotion this would have been one hell of a packed stadium!  :)

(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8131/11f831d39f6749f5a5744b3.jpg) (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/11f831d39f6749f5a5744b3.jpg/)

gunsnroses    Morning! We're in San Jose, Costa Rica. See you tonight at Estadio Ricardo Saprissa! #gunsnroses
about 1 hour ago via web

The crowd will be WILD and great.
Iron Maiden (who have seen lots of incredible crowds over the years) said that their Costa Rican crowd was maybe the most amazing crowd ever.

Para los que no quieran perderse esta fiesta, todav?a tienen la oportunidad de comprar una entrada, ya que hasta ayer se hab?an vendido un 90% de ellas.

For those who do not want to miss this event, they still have the opportunity to get a ticket, because until yesterday it had sold 90% of them.

http://www.larepublica.net/app/cms/www/index.php?pk_articulo=35164

OK, I got bad news, the concert was cancelled. IT seems the stadium crumbled under the weight of the screens.  :rant: :-\ :'(

A friend of mine just called me over the phone.

....this is a joke right?



\cotis

He wouldnt bullshit me, he said he saw it on the news, im gonna grab a bite and check out the tv to see If I can see something about it.

OMFG!!! damn it!! I only hope that everyone in Costa Rica is alright!!

errr when I said the stadium crumbled I didnt mean the entire stadium, just the stage... I guess... OK, turning on the tv... Ill give info if possible..

 :'(

Poor Fans... Fuck !!

Any news regarding this issue????

I found this



/jarmo

My friend was ready to come and pick me up when he saw it on Repretel (channel 6) and telenoticias (channel 7).. The news said it was cancelled... not ''might'' be cancelled... so...

FUCK !!!!!!!!

"Some rumours said that tonight's GN'R concert MIGHT BE cancelled, as Noticias Repretel and Telenoticias informed. This cancellation was made because the stage didn't handled the screens weight and it collapsed down"

checking out the news right now !

People are pissed off.

http://www.aldia.cr/

''axl rose will leave the country in the next couple of hours".
 >:( :(

http://www.nacion.com/2010-04-09/Entretenimiento/UltimaHora/Entretenimiento2329507.aspx



Ministry of health confirms cancellation.

"Production reports that Guns N' Roses concert could be tomorrow"  (Produccion infroma que el concierto de Guns N' Roses podria ser ma?ana)

http://www.aldia.cr/

translation of the ministry of health article please?

My heart goes out to the crew, and I pray that they are all alright.

They're saying there weren't many people outside the stadium and that tickets didnt sell very well compared to iron maide and metallica...

It's not the best, but you get the idea...


Health Minister confirms suspension of concert Guns N 'Roses

San Jose (Editor). The Health Minister Mar?a Luisa Avila confirmed the suspension of the concert by Guns N 'Roses scheduled for tonight at Estadio Saprissa.

Avila said he received information from the producer of the Concert -28 Productions-show cancellation of the American band.

For the event, the Ministry of Health had planned to go this afternoon to review the entire assembly around the stage, lights and sound.

However, Guillermo Flores Galindo, in charge of the South Regional Directorate of the Ministry of Health, received a call from 28 Productions for Saprissa is submitted to inspection, Avila said.

The show's producers have not yet reported anything to the press.

Today, information has circulated that a structure where it was to put a giant screen on stage failed, causing the inconvenience of American artists.

Outside the stadium, fans of the band line up to get the money back demand of tickets cost between ? 16,000 and ? 63,000.

The End

 :'(

end of what

a friend o mine send me a picture.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_m7VEns3fxGA/S7-RqNUThgI/AAAAAAAAAF8/cAPDjN0RP0o/s1600/01.jpg)

what a mess!!!

Oh, fuck! Is this for real?  :'(

That doesn't look like it's big enough to be the GN'R stage...

Where are the speakers on the sides?

GN'R's stage is usually also higher than the person standing in front of that stage...




/jarmo

 gunsnroses
 
We're in San Jose, Costa Rica. See you tonight at Estadio Ricardo Saprissa! #gunsnroses

are you in costa rica with the band Jarmo?

a little strange to post that on twitter, whoever is in charge of that is obviously 'in the loop'.   :no:

seems unbelievable  hope they re-schedule i`ve had the dissapointment of a cancelled show it`s so upsetting at the time but if you get a re-schedule it eases the blow :(

http://www.nacion.com/2010-04-09/Entretenimiento/UltimaHora/Entretenimiento2329507.aspx


Says they're trying to reschedule the show....



/jarmo

That was posted three minutes ago?  ???

I'm lost !!!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_m7VEns3fxGA/S7-RuV9AgYI/AAAAAAAAAGE/-WxyaNJX3aI/s1600/02.jpg)

im think the same, but look at this blog.  http://gunsnrosesenguatemala.blogspot.com/2010/04/se-cancela-el-concierto-de-guns-en.html

by the way, i love the design.


you re not in central america????

Doesn't mean anything. Could be that the news hadn't reached the person tweeting....



/jarmo

If it is true then I hope everyone involved is ok.

If not, then I hope everyone has a great show

GUNS N' ROSES: Costa Rican Concert Cancelled - Apr. 9, 2010

Tonight's (Friday, April 9) GUNS N' ROSES concert at Estadio Ricardo Saprissa in San Jose, Costa Rica has been cancelled. According to local media reports, the show was called off because part of the stage collapsed from the weight of the screen which the band has been using as part of its live performances.

Outside the stadium, fans of GUNS N' ROSES have been lining up to obtain refunds for tickets which cost between ? 16,000 (approximately $29) and ? 63,000 ($113).

A four-minute video report on the GUNS N' ROSES concert cancellation from the Costa Rican news channel NR6 can be viewed below.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=138252

I`m not being funny but it wouldn`t take a minute for someone at G`N`R to tweet or post if it`s on or not, i know it`s` not vital to us here but to people setting out or already there it is" SOON IS THE WORD" hope everyones ok ???

is it me, or you're avoiding answering questions whether you are or not in Costa Rica. People have asked you at least a couple of times.

I am.

Does it make a difference?

I don't have any information on the show anyway.




/jarmo

you're talking shit...just look a couple topics up, and you'll see the link where said 90% of stadium are sold

Guns N' Roses   gunsnroses
 
San Jose, we are here. Please stay tuned... thank you.

well, this is a strange set of circumstances.... feel very sorry for the fans. Hope things can be sorted out for them.

People posting pics, compare those posted earlier (fake) to: http://www.nacion.com/


Notice how high the stage is compared to the fake pics?




/jarmo

Shut it kiddie. IM just repeating what the news are saying.

yeah i dont know why people love to talk shit ?

i was hearing the news and they say that axl cancelled a show in south america, because someone throw something at him...  WTF


THERE WERE NO CANCELATIONS IN SOUTH AMERICA ... !!  rio was the RAIN ...and then they made the gig !

That's true... let's wait for an actual pic of the collapsed stage

That news report from that local TV channel is total crap, they are pretty much saying that the tour in South America was a total disaster, that the band is at the airport ready to leave the country!

maybe they can sort  the stage  i`m no expert(obviously) but perhaps it`s not as bad as they thought and you`d expect all the scaffolding would be as strong on what ever stage they use, also they have a proffesional road crew mistakes happen but seems really strange  >:(  i think if they can they`ll do the show fingers crossed for everyone : ok:

What kind of structural engineers are working with GN'R ?!?!?!?!? ... is not normal these two collapses occur within a short time ... even with a thunderstorm ...

 :rant:

Well, I cant say im suprised, that stadium is a piece of shit stadium and we ticos always fuck things up !

I cant wait until the new chinese-made stadium is finished, that's one big ass stadium, I only hope  when the chinese are done building the stadium the will leave a chinese in charge.  :hihi:

(http://www.stadiumdb.com/images/stadiums/central%20america/costa%20rica/san%20jose/estadio-nacional-de-costa-rica.jpg)

Why do you assume it's GN'R's fault?




/jarmo

i'm not assuming that ... someone is working with GN'R to produce this shows ... i'm not saying they are GN'R employees

Ok, got you.  : ok:





/jarmo

I feel sorry for GN'R, imagine being excited and preparing for a show and then this happens. I'm sorry for the fans too, must be a real disappointment to be told the show isn't going ahead.  :'(

But we must remember it's no ones fault, just extremely bad luck again, like in Rio.

I dunno, my momma always told me to answer when someone's talking to me. MAybe you have no momma :hihi:

Sorry but I have to disagree with that.

In developed countries the construction of metalic structures, temporary or not, are supervised by a structural engineer ... shit like this can not happen under any circumstance, since there are human lives involved ... this can not happen in the case of dynamic actions, such as a storm, much less in the case of a static actions, such as the weight of a screen.

Of course, an accident is unpredictable and can happen anywhere ... but this happened 2 times in such a short time, is not normal ... someone must be asleep at work...  :beer:

Is it me or you're a xenophobe or racist?  :hihi:

is it you

Well I think it's obvious the storm that happened in Rio was a case of bad luck and mother nature. We still don't know the details of what has happened in this case. But I think it's unfair to just jump straight in and blame whoever is responsible for constructing the stage, without knowing the facts.

Well, Brazil has got what? 200 million people? one of the worlds biggest economies. I think they could find a decent engineer among all those people. Now Costa RIca I have no doubt its incompetence  :hihi:

But dont lump ''undevelopped countries'' together you mr developped man.  :P

I didn't mention undevelopped countries ... you did ...


I said that an accident can happen anywhere ... but when this situation is repeated in a short time, it is natural to assume that there may be human causes.

Moreover, it is good to assume that, so someone can work to investigate what really happened, to avoid that happening again ...

I really wonder if the band or any fan had fallen beneath the stage structure, people would also think that "it was just bad luck"

The greatest engineer in the world cannot prevent accidents from happening when it comes to storms. It seems to me like you are just looking for something to complain about.

I agree with you, The storm thing was indeed an accident that no one can prevent, in Costa RIca, its different. Im not complaining.
:peace:

This should concern the band. I hope inspections are done by crew members prior to the band taking the stage.

Luckily the stage collapsed during setup, and not later, potentially when the band was on stage performing.

 

You mentioned developped countries. Why the fuck? Anyway, this conversation is going nowhere and jarmo will soon delete the posts.

So back to topic:

I hope it gets rescheduled to tomorrow. :hihi:

 On Friday 9th April 2010, @bumblefoot  said:


I was just informed that the local crew who assembled the stage did it incorrectly, and the city inspectors deemed it *unsafe*. They won't allow the show to happen. It would be impossible to disassemble the stage and rebuild it correctly in time for the show to happen tonight. We tried to move the show to tomorrow, city denied it, the show in Costa Rica is officially not happening. These are the facts I was given. SO fucking bummed. :(

Conspiracy theories start NOW!

Why not let them play tomorrow? Plenty of time to break the stage down for proper setup tomorrow.

Probably some fucked-up politician doesn't want the show to happen regardless.

Really sorry to hear this. Sorry for the fans and the band. Fuck me, big machine is going to have a cow. :nervous:

Again sorry for the bad translation, they explain here why they cannot play tomorrow.  Looks like there's another event booked.

The reason is that the engine company will have the Ricardo Saprissa stadium facilities early on Monday, and confirmed Manrique Mata, director of Rpm.

"We already signed a contract, it would be impossible because the event requires at least four days to build the track also depends not only on me too for the people of Monster Jam, and Saprissa," concluded Mata.

http://www.aldia.cr/ad_ee/2010/abril/09/farandula2329874.html

See, now we have heard Bumblefoot, we know for sure it was indeed human error.

To be honest, I am really surprised that the city won't let them reschedule tomorrow. GN'R aren't having much luck with venues on the latest tour. I'm just really bummed for the fans, I know how I would feel if not only the show was cancelled but to be told that it doesn't look likely to be rescheduled either.  :(

when you know something about this kind of business you don't need to hear it from BBF to reach that conclusion  :smoking:... and has nothing to do with being xenophobic , as someone said ..

oh wow.  this really sucks for the Costa Rica fans and of course for the band.  :(

but I guess it's the best decision not to take the chance of having the stage or screens collapsing during the show

On Friday 9th April 2010, @bumblefoot  said:



Between Ecuador & Panama we had a 5-day break and were able to get a cargo plane to Rio and back for the make-up show - we have no breaks from here til the end of the tour and don't know if it'll be possible to reschedule the show after the tour ends - the gear is supposed to go straight to Europe from Puerto Rico. I wish there was something I could do, feel fkn helpless. I emailed management to see if there was any possibility of doing an outdoor acoustic show tonight, but don't think it'll be possible, a lot of logistics that come into play - security issues, any conflicts with existing performance contracts, finding a location, getting local gear last moment, government approval... I think tonight we're all at a loss :( I'm as sad as everyone, I came here to play a show for you tonight. (I'm at the hotel, never even got to go to the venue...)

I understand you GUNNER, I just like to think that whoever's job it is to construct the stage for GN'R, knows what they are doing. But in this case, we know that they did it wrong, which kind of scares me. Imagine if no one spotted it was unsafe and the show went on, I can't even imagine how dangerous it would have been for the band and crowd.

Im glad it happened  the way it did and not with the band and fans being in danger
Sorry for the Fans that wont see the band hope they can somehow reschedule maybe when they hit Mexico 

Bumblefoot   bumblefoot
 
Fact update: Wasn't 'city inspectors that didn't allow it. City officials would not give the permits needed to try to do the show tomorrow. 1 minute ago via Twitlonger

This is from Del's facebook:

Del James   the 4/9 show in Costa Rica has been cancelled due to an unsafe stage. The stage, which was built by a local crew here in Costa Rica, began to bend & bow as we placed gear on it and was deemed too dangerous.
30 minutes ago



God forbid that the show went on and Ashba tried to climb up on this shit like he did at a recent show.

I'm really sorry for the fans, the band and the production... :/

Specially for the fans  :-\

I kinda think GNR have been lucky not to be playing when the thing collapsed.

thats kind of scary when u think about it.

Ill never get used to jarmo deleting my comments. :P

Anyway, Ive been told there was a press conference and the concert is reschedulled for tuesday?... Kinda sucks for people in Nicaragua who made the trip..

Eh they are already playing a show in another country on Tuesday....

maybe they moved the dates. I dont know.

They said tuesday and in Alajuela instead of San Jos?.

End of Days, you know the movie?


Guess it means that 'Oh My God' is going to be in the setlist.

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

damn it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well some say 28 producciones sucks !!  IDK 

But im going to SAN SALVADOR AND GUATEMALA  !!! 

that`s why im going to 2 shows !!!!  TWO

THANK GOD i decide to go to San salvador and guatemala city !!    :confused:
 

they were gonna use the 4 leds screens !!!!  not two, like the last shows 

sorry for the band !!  and fans   :(

costa rica should be on saturday  April 17th

costa rican people are insulting JUAN CARLOS CAMPOS (THE PROMOTER)

poeple say he`s a jack ass 

http://twitpic.com/1efxt3

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1181227&id=1340450419#!/photo.php?pid=1181227&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=352056806422&aid=-1&id=1340450419&oid=352056806422


the satge failure

What has gone wrong  ?

bad stage construction works.

anyway, did bumble say "after Puerto Rico the stuff is going right to Europe"? I thought there's almost 2 months gap after PR show ???

they will put another date thats for sure !

that its sad.But i think they will play in costa rica! mantened la esperanza!

I just think its better to call it off and reschedule then to put anyone in danger, good call

I was surprised to read that too. I don't think they're going to perform earlier than june since they'll still be in Europe mid/end august.. And that would be a very long European leg.
Maybe they need to check, recheck and adjust the stage for Europe? But I doubt something like that will take a full 2 months.. Then again, I don't know jack ;)

Pretty good article on the whole fiasco.

http://www.nacion.com/2010-04-10/Entretenimiento/NotasDestacadas/V10-PASE-ABRIL.aspx


Now who's gonna give me my 125 dollars back ? :-\

The article is good, but it doesn't clarify anything! What a huge mess, nobody knows anything ??? Even this Campos person is saying that it was God acting to prevent a tragedy??? WTF ::)

Hello

I travel yesterday to Costa Rica to see GN'R, 7 hours in th bus, it didn't matter, I even met another fan and we shared some thoughts on everything, now I'm coming back to Nicaragua, I just arrived, and I was pretty sad yesterday, because as I was arriving to the hotel, decided to put on the local news channel just to find out in the headlines that the show was being cancelled, I stood like a statue and couldn't believe the damn thing...  

The other guy, passed by my room warning me not to go to the stadium because there was no show.

So basically I just went to costa rica to spend the night... at least I  had some beers with another fellow fan from Nic that was already there, we went in a bar where at 8 pm someone started playing GN'R songs in a jukebox!! 4 songs that I should have been able to see live and sing along... not from a jukebox in a bar.... :'( :'(

Anyway, I guess it's better to cancel the show instead of having anyone hurt from the band, the fans and or the crew...   I would have to see when and where I might catch them, because I need to see them....
Thanx to Bumble for updating , I would have liked to at least see them at the hotel which was far from where I was staying.

Thank you Bumble foot, I so wanted to see you playing Live.......   :'(

Hola Mario, I'm so sorry for you, can't even imagine how disappointed you must be :(

My heart goes out to all the fans who missed the show. I am sure the band feels just as bad.

MarioGunner, I really feel for you.  :'(

I can't even imagine the feelings you must have felt when you heard the news about the show. I hope you will see the band live someday soon.

hey mario one question ...

some poeple says the 90% of the tickets were sold...

and some shitty channels says there where a few fans out side...

WHAT DID YOU SEE ??

MY understanding is the company  (28 producciones) was saying that 90% of tickets were sold. This could be to scare people into buying tickets...An old marketing technique. I dont know which channel did an interview of a fan who was already at the stadium two nights before the day of the concert, he was suprised he was the only one there. I did see a lot of people after noon going with gnr t-shirts towards the concert, that was just minutes before I found out the concert had been cancelled.

But lets wait for marito's reponse :P

Baz said on facebook that around 30 000 tickets were sold for the show

Dj ASHBA? I was devastated when I heard the show was canceled in Costa Rica. Unbelievable to me that over 20,000 tickets were sold, we come to town ready to play, and can't. The stage was deemed "Unsafe" I truly am sorry and bummed for each and everyone of the fans that bought tickets and were looking forward to the GN'R concert .... I am in El Salvador, we are very much looking forward to the concert. Hope to see you all there!

People stop thinking that GnR would cancel a show due to poor tickets sales that would not fucing happen.  In Stoon they had maybe 50% sold and they played for almost 3 hours.  However as it was reported by band members the show was close to being sold out.   The stage collapsed because the people putting the stage together fucked up. 

but they need to re-schedule !!!!

guns n roses should taste the costa rican fans

Bumblefoot:
After the show didn't happen in Costa Rica on the 9th, I took GNR fans
in the hotel with me to a remote spot outside and gave them a good
2-hour-ish personal acoustic show, with their wonderful help on vocals,
acoustic bass, and a guitar for me to use. Had to make music that
night, I wish it could have been as it should ha...ve been, but at least
tried to bring smiles to the group that was there, as they did for me :)
http://www.twitpic.com/1et4ii (Kristy, I stole your pic...!!)

Ron is cool as hell!

Don't think I've ever seen a guy that cares about his fans as much as Ron does. That is awesome.

cool ;)

Ron is so awesome, I haven't heard of any other rock star who would bother to do such a thing for the fans  :love:

Ok he is my story i'm one of the guys in the picture. I was really depressed that the concert was cancelled, i live like 2 kms from the Marriot Hotel, i decided to go there to see if at least i could meet the band, and at 3:00 pm i went to the hotel. I was there from 3:00 to 10:00 pm, i met everyone but Axl :( , the band was really sad that the concert got cancelled, i asked DJ if they were working on a new album and he said that he is always writing, that was cool to hear. Then later at night i met Ron, there were very few fans, life 5 or 6 fans, he said that he was very sorry what happened to the concert, then i asked him to play an acoustic show for us, he went to eat something, i was at the same restaurant with the whole band, i also met Jarmo, cool dude. Then Ron came to my table and said that he was going to get his guitar.

When we were going up the stairs to the lobby and told him that i wanted to go to El Salvador show and he gave me a free ticket and a backstage pass, how amazing is that? out of this world, well i couldn't make it to El Salvador, sad.

Ok then we took some pics with Ron and we werer looking for a spot to play the acoustic show. He took us to his hotel room, that was unbelievable, i was the one that told him what songs to play, kinda like he gave me the leadership because it was my idea to do the acoustic show.
Then we went at the parking lot and more people came, the ones that are in the picture, and kept playing till 9:00.

Thank you Ron, you are the greatest person alive, an example, you are humble, down to earth so talented. I love you my friend.

Private Concert Setlist (not in order):

(Some Jammins between Songs)
Don't Cry
Madagascar
Catcher in the Rye
Better
If the World
Street of Dreams
Patience
Used to Love Her
Cover song (don't remember wich one)
Paradise City

Inspiring moment, the energy and vibe was ubelievable
Cheers!!!

Cool story. Sorry for the cancellation (I had the same problem in Rio and couldn't make up another trip), but I'm glad Ron gave you guys this awesome momment. He's trully out of this world - both in talent and in good will. :)

Just found this article: http://www.nacion.com/2010-04-11/Entretenimiento/UltimaHora/Entretenimiento2331507.aspx





/jarmo

Jarmo can you confirm any of this.. i just came back from Costa Rica like one hour ago..
if the band is gonna play tuesday i will go as soon as i can..

PLEASE!!!!



later i will post my whole history about the show with some pics

Talks about them trying to reschedule the show in Costa Rica for tuesday, they have begun building the stage for it, and are waiting on permits to come trough

What happened to the show in Guatemala?  Is that not taking place anymore?

according to the article from la nacion, that's one version, though unconfirmed... weird that they would cancel one and favour the other..

yeah the whole thing is very fishy
the only problem is that i would have to confirm tomorrow in order to buy the bus tickets to costa rica

I would asume they would also reschedule the Guatemala show

Costa Rica: rescheduled for April 13th. Please check venue info because the venue has changed.

I don't have the name of the venue at this moment.


/jarmo

jarmo did you tweet that :D posted right after each other  :o

anyways good news for costa rica fans  8)

WOW
i will buy my bus ticket tomorrow early!

Venue: Morera Soto Stadium in Alajuela


/jarmo

but Guatemala show was supposed to happen on that date ???

errr. then why did la guacima start prepare the stage??? http://www.nacion.com/2010-04-11/Entretenimiento/UltimaHora/Entretenimiento2331507.aspx

la guacima is a sort of stadium for car races. Morera soto is a football stadium.

http://www.aldia.cr/ad_ee/2010/abril/12/farandula2331505.html


"Sin embargo, ahora la nueva sede ser?a el aut?dromo La Gu?cima, en vez del estadio Alejandro Morera Soto."

Which means it will be at La Gu?cima, not Morera Soto.

Yes, it's now La Guacima



/jarmo

Great news for everyone

Awesome! Good news for Costa Rica fans!

that's great to hear. so cool of the band to manage to do this  : ok:

I`m lost whats happened to the other show on the 13` have they been merged into 1 show ???

So the Costa Rica show has been reschedule for tomorrow at  La Guacima racetrack, and the Guatemala City show has been cancelled.

According to this article the same contractor who build the faulty stage is building the new one.

To give credibility to the assurances of the promoters, work on erecting the stage at La Guacima race track was underway during the weekend.

The work is being carried out by the same constructor who erected the faulty stage at the Saprissa.

http://www.insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2010/april/12/costarica10041205.htm

Someone can explain me what this means for Guatemalans fans?  :rant:

and what happens to our concert? can not cancel our date without further explanation! this is a total disgrace!

what about us????????  >:(

please Jarmo im already wrote to Ron, but can you talk with someone in the crew and tell me please??? im in tears bro.

This sucks for the fans of Guatemala, I think that maybe the sales in Guatemala were not that good compare to Costa Rica so they decided to cancel the Guatemala one, but still sucks :(

Yet another reason for chapines to hate us.  :( :hihi:

I hope they get a reschedule too.

La Guacima - Race Track:

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3518/la20guacima201.jpg) (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/la20guacima201.jpg/)

what??? ???

no man, 16.000 tickets were sold, the reason is not that, and if so, they would not have played in Colombia, where only 7,000 tickets were sold.

there exist another reason.   :crying:

I guess it will be for people who fit into the grass  ???

Fields hold 10 to 15,000 people plus stands.

The show in Costa Rica is not happening after all.

Last night it was still gonna go on, but now I found out it is not going to happen.

Sorry guys.



/jarmo

thanks god...  this hours were  A TOTALLY HELL.

Central America update: The previously announced rescheduled show in Costa Rica at La Gu?cima will unfortunately not happen.

So the Guatemala City show is not cancelled?

Guatemala is canceled as well.

The plan was to play in Costa Rica tomorrow. Unfortunately it didn't work out.



/jarmo

but there will not be here?? I do not understand?  why not??

That's too bad.

Next show: April 15th - San Juan, Puerto Rico @ Roberto Clemente Coliseum #gunsnroses @sebastianbach

2 minutes ago via web

Quiet Brother... Patience.

 : ok:

Things just didn't work as the band had hoped.

It's very unfortunate.

It's very difficult to try to reschedule shows when the dates are this close to each other.



/jarmo

Uh, well, maybe in some other time.

Jarmo any word from the band on why the Guatemala show was cancelled ???

Thanks Stephen

but why they canceled the gig here in Guatemala? everything was programmed and ready, people here are confused by all that is happening

why????

I would guess low ticket sales.

Axl's twitter insisting that these shows were not happening probably didn't help.

I think because you can't be in two places at once.

GN'R was going to be in Costa Rica on the 13th to play the rescheduled show.

But then that changed and I guess it was just too late to go back to the original plan...



/jarmo

that's not fair.

Ok thanks, so do you know if there plans to reschedule Guatemala or was that something in the works

i only ask as i know some media and forum members across the boards are going to be having a field day with this

Nothing is ever 100% fair to everybody.


This is all a chain of unfortunate events.

It's not the band's or Axl's fault at all.

I know some fans like to think so, but that's only because they're clueless.



I don't know.

All I know is that last night I was going to be flying to Costa Rica today. This morning I learned that I'm not.




/jarmo

of what I know, after the Puerto Rico show, the gear is scheduled to drive directly to Europe and there's no more time for rescheduled shows. but this might happen since I heard this (from Ron if I remember correctly)

Well i hope they can make it up to these guys in the not too distant future

Do we know if these shows are going to be re-scheduled or if the 15`is the last show? i  feel quite sorry for everyone. Guatemala seems as if it didn`t exist there`s been no apology or explanation the tour feels like it`s fizzling out rather than going with a bang hope it gets sorted for everyone.

They can still bring the scenario used in El Salvador and assembly here and continue with the original plan.

besides, they could reschedule the date of Guatemala, the european gig starts at june 5th right????

If the band could, they would!

Need proof? Look at the way the Rio show was rescheduled.


Originally we were going from Quito to Panama and we would have had a few days off there.

Instead we flew on a chartered flight all the way back to Rio, did the show and flew to Panama.



Trust me, it's not just as easy as "use the equipment and play".


Equipment has to be shipped well in advance to the next leg of the tour.




/jarmo

bro, I want to thank you that you have taken time to tell me what happens, however I'm inconsolable, I went to see them in 2007 to Mexico but have the band in my country was the best thing that could happen in my life, I really hope to do humanly possible to come.

I'm crying my dream fell apart.

This is shitty for the band and the fans - a real shame and hopefully can be re-arranged sometime on the future. 

Must be so frustrating for the band and crew that things dont work out how they should

This really sucks, I feel very sorry for all of you who won't have the chance to see them live. :'(

 On Monday 12th April 2010, @axlrose  said:



El Salvador ROCKED! The stadium felt like ancient Rome. Great crowd!! Unfortunately r show in Guatemala's been cancelled. Attempts to substitute Costa Rica ultimatley weren't successful which leaves 1 SHOW LEFT!

well that puts and end to speculation no re-schedules so sorry for everyone

Did they ever say why the Guatemala show was cancelled?  ???

I get that they had to cancel the original Costa Rica date but what does Guatemala have to do with it?

If I'm reading this post by Jarmo correctly,
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=59576.msg1248520#msg1248520
the 13th would have been the only date available to do a rescheduled Costa Rica show.

The Guatemala show had to be canceled in order to attempt to work out the logistics for Costa Rica for that date.

When the Costa Rica reschedule didn't work out, it was too late to undo everything that was set in motion towards Costa Rica in order to be able to re-up Guatemala for that original date. 
     

Guns N' Roses concert officially cancelled

By Adam Williams
Tico Times Staff

Not even a little ?Patience? could bring Guns N' Roses to Costa Rica. After the show originally scheduled for Friday at Ricardo Saprissa Stadium was canceled due to a faulty stage setup, hopes for a makeup date were dashed Monday when the band posted a statement on their Facebook page saying they would not reschedule a concert date in Costa Rica.

True to the confused, on-again, off-again nature of the events surrounding the concert since its announcement in early March, as of Monday night it appeared the show would be rescheduled. At 10:28p.m. Monday night, a posting on the band's Facebook site read:

?The Costa Rica show has been rescheduled for April 13th. Please note that the show will take place at a new venue.?

The post was followed by an early morning confirmation that the concert would be held at La Gu?cima in Alajuela on April 13.

However, as soon as word of the rescheduled concert circulated amongst national media outlets, a third post on the Guns N' Roses Facebook page at around 11 a.m. extinguished fan's hopes. ?Central America update: The previously announced rescheduled show in Costa Rica at La Gu?cima will unfortunately not happen,? the posting read.

With the announcement of the official cancelation, the production agency 28 Producciones, which was in charge of the event, sent out an apologetic email to fans and members of the press. The email assured ticket-holding fans that they would be reimbursed and that all inquiries should be referred to the Web page www.28producciones.com.

Well I think that's ridiculous. You cancel a show to make up for another cancelled show? What about the people who bought tickets to see the show in Guatemala, are they less important? Or do you cancel the show in Puerto Rico to make up in Guatemala?

I suppose the logic is that more people bought tickets in Costa Rica so they wouldn't lose as much money by cancelling Guatemala. If that's the case, while I'm sad for the fans that didn't get to see the band, at least the greedy assholes behind this dumb ass decision are going to have to refund even more people than they wanted to in the first place.

And shame on Guns N' Roses for agreeing to this.

Maybe because of the Costa Rica show and the Guatemala show where both arranged by the same promoter and they don't trust him after what happened with the stage set up in Costa Rica.

?28 producciones? it's the worst company in show organization. They can't do anything right. 28 producciones failed to provide a safe stage. The band tried to re-schedule the cancelled date of Costa Rica and 28 producciones failed again.  :no:

Costa Rica fans should ask for another promoter.

Apparently, ?28 producciones? and the production company of Guatemala reached an agreement and decided to reschedule the date for Costa Rica. But some businessmen also involved in these shows weren?t informed about this reschedule. In a few words, internal problems between companies. 

There is a video interview with Juan Carlos Campos of "28 producciones" here, but I don't know what he says...

GUNS N' ROSES: Costa Rica Concert Officially Cancelled - Apr. 13, 2010

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=138383

Says:

- Production & Technical Lead Of GN'R CANCELLED Show

- GN'R was paid (100%) and no play

- Juan Carlos Campos & 28 Production Sued To GN'R

- All Tickets will be returned

Don't even try to hear that FUCKING SHIT!!! fucking journalists why in the fucking hell they always blaming Axl for these cancelled gigs? also they are saying that all the Chinese Democracy World Tour 2009-2010 has been a totally failure and the band is so mediocre that every newspaper in South America said that this band is a big crap. And also (and if they were slim or some kind of anorexic stupid cunts) said that Axl is so fat that he couldn't even sing and move properly on stage.

That fucking promoter is saying that they cancelled the Costa Rican show because the GNR stage technician said that the stage was not secure to place a show right there (in other words the stage was fucked up), and now that lame promoter is seeking every legal procedure to state a Lawsuit against GN'R.

Please GNR management or Axl or anyone make an official statement regarding this issue, because all the journalist in SA are spreading bullshit across the globe and INSULTING to everyone involved in GNR (members, crew, staff, fans)...

I second that, what a fuckin hating article, and worst of all, Fans are gonna believe it, cause people are like sheep. They basically said the entire tour has been a fiasco, axl and everything sucks. Im so sorry I gave my money to that motherfucker at 28 producciones.

+1. They are not original thinkers, and they have to keep rehashing the same old garbage.

The journalist doesnt even know Axl's name, she keeps saying Axl Roses. :hihi:

Do they want to sue the band for not playing? So they wanted GN'R to play in stage which wasn't safe. Juan Carlos Campos and 28 producciones don't care about people safety. Unbelievable! 

Today tuesday 13 the producer in charge of the show in Guatemala has not decided officially to clarify the situation, people here in Guatemala blame "28 productions" for our show and also blame gnr by belittling the people of Guatemala, because nobody says nothing about it?

Axl I believe in you but you should say something please.

I hope G N' R management will sue 28 Productions for not beeing capable to organise these shows.

Yeah, the Billboard's article about the hot tours shows a huge fiasco. :hihi:

Seems like the same pattern as that Marcos Mion, the owner of the club in Brazil: when the show was scheduled to happen, it was all wonderful. Once it turns out to not happen, suddenly the band isn't as great as before, Axl is fat and lost his voice, bla bla bla. Pathetic.

It's ridiculous to you because you don't get it.

You assume GN'R thinks one crowd is less important than another because you want them to. It's all in your head.


The way I see it, is that the Costa Rica show was cancelled due to circumstances that were out of the band's and crew's hands.

They tried to reschedule it because they wanted to do the show. That's why everybody's in Central America in the first place. To play shows.

I'm sorry to have to tell you that sometimes you have to make a decision that will disappoint some people.

But if you can make more people happy than disappointed, then you might choose that alternative.

Maybe that's what happened. But in the end, it didn't work out.


And once again, nobody said anything about fans in Guatemala being worth less. Nobody.


/jarmo

I understand what you're saying, but why cancel our concert in Guatemala?

good for fans to reschedule the date of Costa Rica, but at our expense.

In any case had rescheduled our date, but not remove our gig.  I'm really trying to understand, but nobody says anything officially.

Still friends, raise money and travel, it is a shame for the fans of Guatemala & Costa Rica...

 :'(

Because the promoter isn't reliable enough? Look for example what happened with the Costa Rica show. They had to cancel the show because the stage set up wasn't safe enough. Will you take that risk again when you know that this promoter is responsible for both (Costa Rica and Guatemala) shows?

With all due respect, that just doesn't make any sense.

(-1) + (-1) + (1) still = -1

man, the promoter is not the same guy for both concerts.  28 productions have nothing to do with the local producers.
these idiots tried to set the stage in less than 24 hours and because of that fell off the stage the first time, after the gig was rescheduled and then canceled them again because it was not safe. What happened? nobody knows.  But it was our fault???   in any case had brought the stage used in El Salvador on Sunday.

It makes no sense that the band is in Central America to play shows?


Ok....



/jarmo

I believe he's talking about canceling one show, then another...but still having one more show left.

Well, since you asked for clarification, I will clarify.

First they cancelled Costa Rica, then they cancelled Guatemala to make-up Costa Rica.

That doesn't make any sense.

Cancelling 2, rescheduling 1, still leaves you where you started, with 1 show cancelled, so what's the point?

It's not always that easy.



/jarmo

There's probably a lot more to this...

From Sebastian Bach's Twitter account:

[From Fabian Mora] @sebastianbach I am really disappointed not seeing your performance in Costa Rica, lots off people were just waiting for you man(

[From Sebastian] @fabian_mora me too.. When the show was resheduled the local promoter told us not to play! Seems like a real unprofessional to all of us

about 3 hours ago via Twitterrific in reply to fabian_mora

Guatemala show was cancelled due to several reasons according to Oscar Morales.

Source:  http://www.sigloxxi.com/vida.php?id=7798 (Second paragraph)

For those who don't read Spanish:

?According to Oscar Morales (from Global Production, the company in charge of the production of the show in Guatemala) there are several reasons that led to the cancellation. First, the equipment used for the show of Costa Rica was the same equipment that they were going to use for the show at Estadio del Ej?rcito, since the country doesn?t have enough structures to carry out a setup of this type. Hence, it wasn?t possible to do the show in Guatemala. Second, to bring GN?R to another date would mean a change of logistics in the tour, and the cost of transfer of the equipment and the band would be expensive. Third, the low selling of tickets for the show (less than two thousand tickets until Sunday).?         

Ever heard the saying "actions speak louder than words"? Nobody said anything about Guatemala being less important but that's how it looks like in this situation.

And I think you misunderstood me but I don't think GN'R thinks one crowd is better than the other, in case that wasn't clear that was referring to the organizers of these shows. The only thing I blame GN'R for in this situation is in how they announced this news to their Guatemala fans:

The Costa Rica show has been rescheduled for April 13th. Please note that the venue has changed.

You have to agree that reading about the cancellation of the show you're supposed to go the next day like that is pretty fucked up.

Wow! Hold on a sec! You're saying the club owner Axl talked about in S?o Paulo was Marcos Mion, the moron who became famous by acting like an idiot on MTV?

That just blows my mind!  :rofl:

Yeah, exactly! He's now on Record TV (with a really bad new show) and even posted a huge text blaming, whining and bad mouthing Axl and the new guys after the cancellation. Of course his opinion was very different before, but he didn't really bother to stand up for that.

many things there are not true, starting with tickets, jajajajaa 2.000 jajajaa is a big lie that. (other people are saying 3,000)

secondly, that if they brougt the stage then no matter if they played for 2,000 people? jajajaajaja that stupid.

and third, "the logistics" TOO EXPENSIVE??? it would be expensive bring the stage from El Salvador?? yeah right.

Just curious... how many Rock Concert stages (and crews) have you transported across national borders? Who are you to say what is or isn't too expensive?

with all due respect but you dont believe it is cheaper to bring something from El Salvador to Guatemala (which is to close to guatemala) to bring something that is much further from here...

What I feel is that the production company of Guatemala doesn't care if GN'R plays or not. They didn't do anything about it. They didn't want to reschedule the show. For example, in Argentina there were problems with the River Plate Stadium due to a lawsuit by some neighbors, but our production company tried to do something to solve the problem. And they found a way to solve it. There, in Guatemala, they don't care. Of course, I'm not talking about fans. Maybe, it's because of the low selling of tickets as Oscar Morales said. That's why they aren't interested in investing time or money. 


 

you're right, it could be the case, but everything is speculation until now.

By that logic, GN'R thinks less of any city and country where they have never played.

Please!

Things aren't always just up to the band. I wish you'd get that by now.




Well if you have an issue with the promoter, just say so.




/jarmo

if it is down to ticket sales surely releasing songs to radio and makin some videos would help no end, Better, SOD AND TIL would get the album flying high in the charts and people desperate to go and see them. To everybody else who isnt a hardcore fan like us its just a load of new guys playin songs they never wrote with Axl

There are bands as big as Guns & Roses touring the World as I type this, bands that have toured 10 times more than what Gn'R is touring 'now'.
I understand shit happens and I'm NOT blaming Axl or his crew but certainly GN'R Managment plays a huge part on this.
Why this kind of things doenst happen to Iron Maiden, Paul McCartney, Metallica, U2, Motorhead????  Why does this have to happen in Gn'R World ALL the time?
I'm not whining, I'm just wondering.... ???

when maiden played in bangalore the stage was made of WOOD! and you can see on the dvd that the were very afraid of playing,becuase they thought the stage would collapse.

And you will say "yeah but the played!".....but what would have happened if the gig before was cancelled because of stage collapse??.

I can understand that they take some precautions.

Nah. It's not only GN'R. For example, Metallica cancelled two shows in Argentina in 2001  for no reason. Yeah, no reason. They cancelled the two shows after many people had bought the tickets. After this cancellation, nobody wanted to play their songs on the radio. People started to hate them, I was one of them, haha. I remember I bought the tickets by credit card, so the service charge wasn't returned. Cancellation can happen anywhere. This year, Metallica decided to tour here after many years, well... we forgave them for that cancellation ::).   

And you with so many others probably got a kick ass show.

axlrose  We do hope to be able to play both Costa Rica n' Guatemala at a later date. Management n' promoters r in talks. It'd b great 4 the fans 2 b able 2 get their performance. Our apologies 4 any inconvenience this has caused. It's a crazy business n' this tour's had it's share of twists n' turns. The fans n' shows have made all the chaos n' confusion worth it in the long run. Here's 2 u!! Hope to see u in Puerto Rico!!


ok thats great news, i hope you guys get you concert  ;D

Good. They are trying to see if there is a possibility of playing in those places. I hope they can reach an agreement  ;). 

...and that happened 9 years ago ;D  You can't compare Metallica touring 2 years straight and cancelling two shows and Gn&R doing a 4-5 month tour so far and cancelling two shows! Makes no sense. That managment should go home  :rant:


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Nah. It's not only GN'R. For example, Metallica cancelled two shows in Argentina in 2001  for no reason. Yeah, no reason. They cancelled the two shows after many people had bought the tickets. After this cancellation, nobody wanted to play their songs on the radio. People started to hate them, I was one of them, haha. I remember I bought the tickets by credit card, so the service charge wasn't returned. Cancellation can happen anywhere. This year, Metallica decided to tour here after many years, well... we forgave them for that cancellation ::).   
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If they do come back, they better play This I love !!  :(

A little quote from a Costa Rican news site:

"...
It seems the local production company wanted to milk the concert for all it was worth and that was plenty with a 15,000 sold out venue. To make sure of big bucks, senior management decided to hire on some totally inexperienced and cheap labor to build a stage. It did not take long for the Guns N Roses guys, who have been to this type of rodeo before, to recognize there was a reasonable, if not likelihood the stage was going to collapse. Especially when their technical director saw the overhead lights tilt to the west end of the stage and the stage itself slowly sinking into mud from a recent rain.

But, Axle, the good guy he is, gave the production company a second chance and another concert date the night after the first cancellation. A can do situation!

Hurriedly, ?28 Producciones? found a new location, almost as good as the first. But, instead of re-building the huge stage with experienced people they went back to the beginners again and the rest of the story just speaks for itself. A second and permanent cancellation which is reported to cost the production company close to $ 1million if all debts and tickets are to be refunded not to mention Costa Rica shame for lousy management that can be read on Facebook and Twitter.
..."


http://www.insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2010/april/19/costarica10041908.htm (http://www.insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2010/april/19/costarica10041908.htm)

Id say better.

We do hope to be able to play both Costa Rica n' Guatemala at a later date. Management n' promoters r in talks. It'd b great 4 the fans 2 b able 2 get their performance. Our apologies 4 any inconvenience this has caused. It's a crazy business n' this tour's had it's share of twists n' turns. The fans n' shows have made all the chaos n' confusion worth it in the long run. Here's 2 u!!

AXL....from twitter

what do you people think ?   

"We hope to be able" is not a guarantee.

Some things are out of the band's control.

Like for example the stage in Costa Rica.


I'm sorry to have to inform you, but Axl didn't build that stage. It's not his fault the show got canceled.


/jarmo

i never said it was AXL`s fault my friend !

im just wondering if people think , the shows will occur ?


id love to go to a GNR concert again !!!!!!!!! hell yeah

by the way ...

why you react like that jarmo, relax !

React like what?


Just letting you know the simple facts.

A show doesn't happen just because GN'R wants to play, there's more to the picture than that.

Yet fans are always holding the band accountable for everything. Even when things are out of their control.


Just saying, if these shows happen: Awesome.

If not, they tried.




Well you quoted him and then asked if we think the things he said is gonna happen....




/jarmo

all i can say is that 28 producciones has yet to refund my money..

yeah i know axl will try , well not only axl !!!


if the shows occur will be awesome HELL YES !