Students banned from Graduation because of the Confederate Flag

[TAP]

Black in England, France and other European countries seem to be doing fine. 

hmmm...not so sure you can back that up.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Smoking Guns, the only part of your theory I don't understand involves the blame you place on Great Society programs. 

You said, "Did the US help create a culture with the welfare system and hand outs and projects that creates a sense of entitlement?"  Obviously it was a rhetorical question because that's what you believe...but when you say it made things "worse" that implies before these programs things were "better."  Are you kidding me?  Do you honestly think African-Americans would be where they are today (still progress to be made) without the Civil Rights Act and Federal intervention???  I love the old states' rights arguments..."we don't need no federal gubbment comin' on in here tellin us what's raght n wrong!"   Umm.....yeah, ya do. 

[Smoking Guns]

Smoking Guns, the only part of your theory I don't understand involves the blame you place on Great Society programs. 

You said, "Did the US help create a culture with the welfare system and hand outs and projects that creates a sense of entitlement?"  Obviously it was a rhetorical question because that's what you believe...but when you say it made things "worse" that implies before these programs things were "better."  Are you kidding me?  Do you honestly think African-Americans would be where they are today (still progress to be made) without the Civil Rights Act and Federal intervention???  I love the old states' rights arguments..."we don't need no federal gubbment comin' on in here tellin us what's raght n wrong!"   Umm.....yeah, ya do. 

Well, lets discuss this.  I was asking seriously.  Prior to all these acts, black kids had dad's at home.  After, mom's got more money for each kid they had and incentive to stay married declined.  With less supervision, kids find drugs and become addicts or join gangs looking for father figures.  I think some of the gov't programs led to more broken homes than before.  History proves that children with dad's tend to turn out better as a whole than kids with out dad's.

[Smoking Guns]

Smoking Guns, the only part of your theory I don't understand involves the blame you place on Great Society programs. 

You said, "Did the US help create a culture with the welfare system and hand outs and projects that creates a sense of entitlement?"  Obviously it was a rhetorical question because that's what you believe...but when you say it made things "worse" that implies before these programs things were "better."  Are you kidding me?  Do you honestly think African-Americans would be where they are today (still progress to be made) without the Civil Rights Act and Federal intervention???  I love the old states' rights arguments..."we don't need no federal gubbment comin' on in here tellin us what's raght n wrong!"   Umm.....yeah, ya do. 

Also I am saying its not the US fault that perhaps some people didn't come along as well.  I was trying to say, how can you blame the US Gov't?  They did try.  There were some problems they didn't see coming.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Smoking Guns, there's also a difference between welfare reform and program termination due to lack of funding...
that's what I'm talkin 'bout homey.   

 

[fuckin crazy]

btw, Colonel Mosby, to think that "tyrant" Abraham Lincoln forced the South to end slavery, what a monster!  To think he did everything within his means to keep this nation unified...what a horrible guy. 

Nice strawman!!!

If the the tyrant hadn't got his "just due"(yeah, I think Booth is a national heroe), he would be looked upon as that turd Bush.

"The vast majority of southern whites did not own slaves. 90% of the slaves were owned by 5% of the population."
-0% of whites were owned by blacks.    Keep flying those stars and bars proudly Colonel! 

New York(Yankee) Racist.

[polluxlm]

If the the tyrant hadn't got his "just due"(yeah, I think Booth is a national heroe), he would be looked upon as that turd Bush.

You're calling a banker puppet a national hero? Wow, just wow!

Lincoln might be a tyrant in modern eyes, but they didn't kill him for fuckin' with the people. It's the other way, always is.

[fuckin crazy]

You think that JWB was a banker puppet.

The man gave his life for what he believed.

[polluxlm]

Black in England, France and other European countries seem to be doing fine. 

hmmm...not so sure you can back that up.

He can't. There's virtually not a single ethnic European driving taxis and cleaning toilets anymore. That's reserved for 'the new class'.

[polluxlm]

You think that JWB was a banker puppet.

I don't think. I know. Willingly, or unwillingly.

Lincoln was about to fuck them in the ass with his Amnesty and Reconstruction act, not to mention taking their fiat printing power from them.

[fuckin crazy]

You think that JWB was a banker puppet.

I don't think. I know. Willingly, or unwillingly.

Lincoln was about to fuck them in the ass with his Amnesty and Reconstruction act, not to mention taking their fiat printing power from them.

"His" amnesty was contingent upon July of '63; and reconstruction was years after.

Let us hear some of the Yankees debate that "Proclamation?

[polluxlm]

You think that JWB was a banker puppet.

I don't think. I know. Willingly, or unwillingly.

Lincoln was about to fuck them in the ass with his Amnesty and Reconstruction act, not to mention taking their fiat printing power from them.

"His" amnesty was contingent upon July of '63; and reconstruction was years after.

Let us hear some of the Yankees debate that "Proclamation?

Years after being key.

And you conveniently ignore the fiat argument.

[fuckin crazy]

I didn't think that I ignored any fiat ...

Thus always to tyrants!!!

[polluxlm]

Amen Colonel.

[fuckin crazy]

Gawd, has nothing to do with what is right ...






















 .... or Constitutional!!!

[fuckin crazy]

sic siempre tyranus

[polluxlm]

Amon ain't gawd, he's just man gawd. And you can bet your ass he's got something to say about what's right, and the constitution!

[fuckin crazy]

I don't believe in gawd ... but I think that I smoked some of his shit!

[D]

thanks axl4prez


another thing u pointed out i really hate is how black people going around calling each other the N word like its cool, when they have no idea how ignorant or how bad it makes them look.


Prince has a song where he calls abraham lincoln a racist, because evidently Lincoln wasnt so "honest" in his intentions.

Some would say, that Lincoln freed the slaves just to hurt the south and he didnt necessarily view them as human beings. Also, black contributions to the North really aided in key Union victories.

So was Lincoln this great humanatarian or did he do things for personal gain?

Seems like he would've freed the slaves BEFORE the Civil War and wouldnt have waited 2 years to do so when the Confederate army was giving the Union army all they could handle.

Ahhh so the answer comes clean.......you got your history lesson from Prince.  Nuff said.

Lincoln's stance on slavery was that he was against.......HOWEVER he once said that if it would take not freeing the slaves to keep the union together, he would whatever it took to keep America united, but he KNEW that abolishing slavery was the right thing to do.  Lincoln was far from this monster against the south that you and "Prince" make him out to be.  Lincoln wanted what was best for this country even though he knew and felt slavery had to be abolished.  It was when Lincoln's nomination for President was pretty much set in stone that the Southern states started leaving the Union.  Lincoln couldn't have done shit to abolish slavery because the South basically ignored everything the North did and they decided to start the war.

Why did he wait 2 years after the Civil war started to abolish slavery?

dont u view as more of a strategic thing instead of a moral one?

If he was so against it, why not do it when the Civil War started?

I tell u why........

Lincoln and the North thought the uprising from the south would only last a very short time and things would go back to normal. he didnt want to end slavery cause Im sure the North enjoyed all that big money they got taxing the south seeing as the north were nowhere near as financially secure as the south.

once the war became overwhelming and the north realized the south had a great chance of winning, lincoln pulled a bold move freeing the slaves thus weakening the south financially AND bolstering the Union army.


So yeah, im sure lincoln *who owned slaves if Im not mistaken* was against slavery to a degree OR maybe, history has just written a more favorable story for Lincoln when in reality, he did what he had to do for the benefit of the North and his presidency.

Lincoln wasnt exactly into freeing the slaves and having them be equals either. blacks counted for half a person.

Lincoln is put on a pedestal and yeah he did free slaves which was a great thing, but lets not act like it was strictly for moral reasons cause it wasnt.


its like the media today.

I like Barrack Obama, I am going to vote for him and I pray he wins BUT

hillary clinton got absolutely crucified in the media. I feel she was really treated unfair and Obama got pretty  much a free ride from the national media. if hillary had attended a couple churches that were racist against black people, people wouldve labeled her a klanswoman. her political career wouldve disintegrated.

obama though, no one even bats an eyelash at the fact that his reverend was a hate filled bigot. no one even cared really.

I feel that white america are so afraid of being labeled a "racist" or "bigot' that they walk on egg shells with Obama and dont criticize or dig for shit the way they normally do.

We will see with the election. everyone is waiting for the swiftboat Obama attack but I honestly think he will get a free ride from the mainstream media for fear of looking like hater mongers.

[Bill 213]

thanks axl4prez


another thing u pointed out i really hate is how black people going around calling each other the N word like its cool, when they have no idea how ignorant or how bad it makes them look.


Prince has a song where he calls abraham lincoln a racist, because evidently Lincoln wasnt so "honest" in his intentions.

Some would say, that Lincoln freed the slaves just to hurt the south and he didnt necessarily view them as human beings. Also, black contributions to the North really aided in key Union victories.

So was Lincoln this great humanatarian or did he do things for personal gain?

Seems like he would've freed the slaves BEFORE the Civil War and wouldnt have waited 2 years to do so when the Confederate army was giving the Union army all they could handle.

Ahhh so the answer comes clean.......you got your history lesson from Prince.  Nuff said.

Lincoln's stance on slavery was that he was against.......HOWEVER he once said that if it would take not freeing the slaves to keep the union together, he would whatever it took to keep America united, but he KNEW that abolishing slavery was the right thing to do.  Lincoln was far from this monster against the south that you and "Prince" make him out to be.  Lincoln wanted what was best for this country even though he knew and felt slavery had to be abolished.  It was when Lincoln's nomination for President was pretty much set in stone that the Southern states started leaving the Union.  Lincoln couldn't have done shit to abolish slavery because the South basically ignored everything the North did and they decided to start the war.

Why did he wait 2 years after the Civil war started to abolish slavery?

dont u view as more of a strategic thing instead of a moral one?

If he was so against it, why not do it when the Civil War started?

I tell u why........

Lincoln and the North thought the uprising from the south would only last a very short time and things would go back to normal. he didnt want to end slavery cause Im sure the North enjoyed all that big money they got taxing the south seeing as the north were nowhere near as financially secure as the south.

once the war became overwhelming and the north realized the south had a great chance of winning, lincoln pulled a bold move freeing the slaves thus weakening the south financially AND bolstering the Union army.


So yeah, im sure lincoln *who owned slaves if Im not mistaken* was against slavery to a degree OR maybe, history has just written a more favorable story for Lincoln when in reality, he did what he had to do for the benefit of the North and his presidency.

Lincoln wasnt exactly into freeing the slaves and having them be equals either. blacks counted for half a person.

Lincoln is put on a pedestal and yeah he did free slaves which was a great thing, but lets not act like it was strictly for moral reasons cause it wasnt.


its like the media today.

I like Barrack Obama, I am going to vote for him and I pray he wins BUT

hillary clinton got absolutely crucified in the media. I feel she was really treated unfair and Obama got pretty  much a free ride from the national media. if hillary had attended a couple churches that were racist against black people, people wouldve labeled her a klanswoman. her political career wouldve disintegrated.

obama though, no one even bats an eyelash at the fact that his reverend was a hate filled bigot. no one even cared really.

I feel that white america are so afraid of being labeled a "racist" or "bigot' that they walk on egg shells with Obama and dont criticize or dig for shit the way they normally do.

We will see with the election. everyone is waiting for the swiftboat Obama attack but I honestly think he will get a free ride from the mainstream media for fear of looking like hater mongers.

Dude think about it..........if Lincoln had abolished slavery as soon as all the states started leaving the Union right as he was becoming president.......what would that have done?  Absolutely nothing, the Southern states were already ignoring any law of the constitution that they felt like ignoring.  Lincoln had a fucking country that was dividing on his hands.....he was on pins and needles trying to keep the country together.
As far as Lincoln owning slaves........history will tell you that it was Lincoln's wife (Mary Todd) who's family owned slaves.  Not Lincoln himself......there is absolutely no proof that Lincoln himself owned slaves.  Other than in some conspiracy theorist's book, which I will not accept as proof.....you will not find other wise.

Now onto your Barack Obama opinions............are you fucking serious that he got it easy as pie by the media?  Do you remember when rumors came abound when he was first going for the democratic bid?  The rumors that Barack is a muslim?  The constant and intentional misspelling of Obama to "Osama"?   I can honestly and this is in my own opinion, but I will back it up 100%.........can ask any of the ignorant population of Central Pennsylvania where I live..."Is Barack Obama a muslim" and I guaran-damn-tee that the overwhelming majority of answers will be "yes."
As far as his reverend and those idiotic comments, I've never seen or read one interview where Barack has supported those views or made such comments.  If anything the reverend was using his stance with Barack to slide in his own agenda.  Barack did the right thing by distancing himself from that idiot.  And either way it was far from ignored........that event dominated the media when it came out.